At what age would you say being a virgin who's never received romantic or sexual attention starts to be permanently damaging to your psyche

>>81784452 (OP)
I'd say end of teenage years. by that point you've missed crucial psychological milestones that determine your personality for life

>>81784452 (OP)
Around 14-16 for boys. As a kid, even at 5 years old, I noticed some boys just got more positive attention from girls, and they were never the boys who I found admirable or likeable. It was always some little fuckhead who went around punching other kids and attacking teachers who ended up with girls inviting him to their birthday parties. By 14, if you haven't received positive romantic female attention, you'll start to rot internally.

>>81784452 (OP)
14001 years of age jadn

>>81784452 (OP)
at whatever age you start to let it do so

>>81784468
In what way does it shape your personality and do you think it's detrimental
>>81784476
How do I stop it, anon

>>81784493
>In what way does it shape your personality
social and romantic acceptance are both crucial to the developing mind of a social animal

>>81784510
But what sort of traits do you think it makes someone more likely to develop. Just self esteem issues?

>>81784452 (OP)
I think I started feeling it around 27-28

>>81784493
>How do I stop it, anon
You can't. As long as you can grasp the concept of time, you will feel like shit for being alone and uncared for.
>>81784532
Depression, mong. What do you think? Isolation is a form of torture, as is abandonment.

>>81784493
I unironically think most people here guilt themselves into believing being devoid of sex and relationships are making them insane. Like how zoomerfaggots start calling themselves depressed and emo or ADHD monkeys because they learn it from their cringe shows like Wedsnday. Not saying ADHD isn't real, just an example to how people latch onto labels like being insane. I won't deny these placebos have real effects, but please know that they are solveable, and you were psyopped into it. Most people here fell for it. For a group of outcasts, r9k seems to fall for the same social traps normies do
>how do I stop it
Find the moments in your day or week when you don't feel like shit and figure out why you don't feel like shit. don't listen to people like me selling a solution, chances are you'll figure it out

btw yes a lot of people suffer from loneliness. No news there. But anyone can escape it. first learn hoe you got there.

>>81784739
The only moments I don't feel like shit are when I briefly forget about women and relationships. Now, how do I manage to forget about that all the time when society shoves that in your face everywhere you go?

Can the government ban couples from walking together in public? Can public displays of affection get jail time? No? Then it can't be helped.

>>81784532
>what sort of traits
besides depression it also most likely contributes to antisocial traits, at the very least difficulty in forming relationships, whether professional, platonic, or romantic which becomes a cycle of isolation.

How damaged should my psyche be if I'm a virgin but have received sexual and romantic interest?

>>81784452 (OP)
21.
I think that's the last year you have to experience sex and romance, and still be able to become a normal adult.

>>81785078
Should you just lie about it forever if you're a virgin at that age

>>81784452 (OP)
youre asking incels for advice on mental development and introspection

this is a very very stupid thing to do

>>81785576
just don't mention it until you're actually about to have sex
it's not like she'll back out when you're both half naked

>>81784452 (OP)
I would say that 20 years old is far beyond over. At that point normalfags have had partners and sex for almost a decade.

>>81784452 (OP)
In my case I received positive romantic attention from age 14-17 and then became a shut in and stopped caring I guess. I kissed girls before and when I was 18 I went to a brothel to lose my virginity to a professional whore. Nowadays I dont care about relationships anymore

i remember being so autistic at 12 years old that i used to go to boomer forums and read about relationships from women and try to learn how to kiss, as if i was going to use any of that in the future. im 28 and still a virgin.

i'd say early post-college. (~21-22)
if you don't go to college, then right after high school.

once you join the working world you realize that your chances of meeting random people by chance evaporate. Your friend groups start to collapse. What hits you the hardest is when you start seeing every one of your peers seemingly start getting married and having kids. It hits the hardest when it's people you knew. can rule out environment. When it's the most awkward people you knew, it begins to harm your psyche a lot more. It makes you think what is fundamentally wrong with yourself to have never even received any attention whatsoever growing up. This hits harder when you know it's not your physical appearance and other things, as you can generally rule those out by comparison.

With age, you begin to isolate and withdraw more. You can no longer relate to past peers, as they are in fundamentally different stages of their lives. Events often become mired with your former friends and their new partners (wives, gfs,etc). You feel like an odd man out. You avoid more. That avoidance makes the awkwardness and sense of self-hatred worse. Your friends think you want nothing to do with them, so they stop inviting you slowly. You simply don't want to create an aura of awkwardness. You start thinking that whatever is wrong with you is intrinsic to yourself and is unchangable.

In your mid-20s, you might think that things might still happen with time. You might try to get fit and other things. That doesn't matter. You begin to feel like a ghost, and your naive sense of hope fades with age. Years of the passive hope that perhaps things will just happen if you go about life normally totally fade. It happened for everyone else, why didn't it happen for you. You don't know. Self-improvement makes no difference.

>speaking from experience
>became a khhv wizard
>good career - now feel like a failure
>undermines all aspects of self-confidence
>no socialization in 8+ years
>no friends

>>81784452 (OP)
20, then it gets much worse as the years pass. Inceldom destroys a man's mind and soul.
Truly reprehensible, and yet it has become common now.
I escortceled in my 20s; yet I still have zero unpaid fucks in my late 30s. FML.

>>81784532

>loss of self-esteem - even if other aspects of life are going fine
>loss of all your friends, collapse of social support network.
humans are social creatures - even the most schizoid or social recluse will start to deteriorate without social interaction even if they tell you differently
>depression, dysthymia
>anhedonia
soon stuff like escape vectors like vidya, and other distractions stop working
>inability to relate to others at all due increasing avoidance
>decrease of social skills
especially when coupled with avoidance patterns
>avoidance patterns
possibly what led to the situation in the first place grow worse as depression/etc gets worse. you do it to avoid awkwardness and pity. it soon gets worse and worse. it may go in long phases that get longer and longer, until eventually it never loops back and you are truly alone
>general stagnation of the self
>feelings that something must be completely off with you to have led to your situation
you usually cannot identify the issue is, and if you are analytical at all you begin to realize your own mind and introspection is part of the issue that you cannot fix.
>analysis paralysis
>rumination and introspective loops that never end
the avoidance/withdrawal cements that no new data is available to analyze. your comfort zone shrinks. you never challenge yourself or grow. the increasing hyper-vigilance and awkwardness skews the data you get anyway, as you become so attuned to possible rejection or negative perception that your social interactions are more awkward than they used to be
>total loss of hope and just kind of stuck in neutral

You are supposed to be married after 20. So about then.

>>81784493
Body releases chemicals that make you feel like killing yourself, that's why

>>81784452 (OP)
Age 20, after that, even if you would look good, you are basically mentally ill and society should owes you a apology.

>>81784472
Ye, basically, if your parents raised you to be a decent human, they essentially doomed you to a life of virginity. Always the worst kinds of men other men wouldn't trust with anything are the ones who get all the women.
Admirable traits will lead to only one thing: you alone in your bedroom with your dick in your hand and a half empty Whisky bottle.

>>81784452 (OP)
Everything about your body at you to mate from 12-16. If you make it a few years past that age your brain will categorize you as a loser because even with all the incentives you failed to secure a female

There's already damage at age 18. 30 is already deadly.

for me it was around 22 when I gave up

t. 32yo virgin

>>81784452 (OP)
Never.
Anyone that thinks otherwise is already insane

should i become a violent criminal as a way to lash out? Will it be cathartic?

>>81784452 (OP)
why would it be damaging to one's psyche? just don't be a bitch
>>81788043
yes and yes!

>>81784452 (OP)
Incels
>A-bloo-bloo-blooo! I am so timid, fragile, and weak that my life is worthless because I have never had a girl love me, a-blooooooooooooo.
Also incels
>why are no women overwhelmed by my overwhelming manliness?!

>>81784468
Nah, it simply starts to shape your mind at that point. It's around 30 that irreparable damage STARTS to form. It's like if you smoked until you were 30. You could quit, exercise a lot, and you could be normal, but you're never gonna be an Olympic athlete at that point. And the real worry is if you don't quit. At 30, most wizards give in or give up. They start to cope that they're okay with being alone or that they never had a chance. That's when you're on the road to being alone forever.

>tfw too small to properly fuck her tits

>>81786721
wtf I dont remember writting this

>>81788952
>That's when you're on the road to being alone forever.
Doesn't matter, I have uncles who are divorced approaching 70 who will almost certainly die alone

>>81789682
like the size of your penis?

>>81790684
not really, wish it was bigger

30. I was still technically a virgin at 25. Had gotten with couple of escorts. Then I got laid once with a cute tall Stacy. Now i've Been incel For 4 Years If you dont count escorts.

You Have to Be stupid and a very scared person to go For 30 years without some sort of sex. Even paid counts

>>81784468
Did not want to date anyone until I met my wife at 23, been together for 12 years. You are extremely retarded if you actually think getting your rocks off with a temporary fling actually matters even a little. The divorced masses have all lived that lifestyle you think of as ideal. Being a virgin until 40 is unironically a better situation to be in.

>>81791118
23 is still a semi-adolescent. You still knew young love. Fuck off Chad!

>>81784452 (OP)
After fourteen it's over if you're not very pretty

None, being a virgin isn't anything damaging.

Thinking you have to fuck people to relate to them is just being porn addicted

>>81791856
>being a virgin isn't anything damaging
not experiencing normal human relationships during your adolescence is tho

>>81791856
I can't see how never being considered desirable once in your entire life, wouldn't be damaging at some level. Are you a woman?

>>81784452 (OP)
if you're 16 and still a virgin, it permanently starts to damage you, but most people will lie to themselves that it hasn't. it's only by the time you're 25 you realize how deep the damage is because you can't blindly hope anymore that it'll get better

>>81792033
You think women don't struggle more with that feeling? Surely you can't be that dense

>>81784452 (OP)
16 for me3

>>81792459
>You think women don't struggle more with that feeling?
You're just fucking with me at this point, right? In what way would women struggle with that feeling more? Women are way more desirable than men. To the point they complain about getting all kinds of unwanted attention. Young men are also way more likely to be single than young women are. No idea what you're on about.

>>81792555
Why would you want unwanted attention. The fact that you think that means you're desired and it could make you healthier is hilarious

>>81792829
Knowing anyone wanted me at all would do wonders for me. You have no idea.

>>81784452 (OP)
it depends more on your mental strength

>>81784452 (OP)
I think it depends on your personality. I'm 30, kinda schizoid and I literally don't care about being khhv. I used to care a bit in my late teens and early 20s when I still cared about what society thinks of me. But as I got older, I realized it just doesn't matter and ultimately nobody cares or even knows I'm still a virgin. I'm not touch starved, I masturbate when I'm horny and I never wanted to marry or have kids. There's just not much a woman can offer me that I can't already do myself for free with less risk and less hassle.
Also, not caring about this stuff is literally making me rich, because I don't have to spend money on a bunch of crap that would be required if I wanted to attract women. I can spend my money on the things that make me happy and still save well over half of what I make.

>>81792829
completely utterly insanely clueless