At this point, I'm content with living as a virgin than appealing to a list that continues to grow every single day

>>81802960 (OP)
Thank fuck im smart enough to see though this retarded 12 year old bullshit, thank fuck, ha ha, poor op, his worldview is created by memes. Truly an awful fate has befallen him, sad!

>>81802960 (OP)
if thats how you think, you're not ready for a relationship, anon

>>81802980
It's literally the current reality of dating unless you're just hooking up.

>>81803001
lol. So realizing that dating is rigged against men makes you immature?

>>81803051
dating isn't fucking rigged
the ideals you set and the reality you face are two *very* different things - it literally IS all in your head

fatsos get chicks
disabled dudes get chicks
i know a fucking FAGGOT who has a gf

>>81803077
It is rigged you retard. I'm not looking to date some low life femoid that has nothing going for her because that's all that's available.

The average, normal woman has ridiculous high standards that are borderline unrealistic and not even worth it if you do satisfy all the requirements because there's such a big difference in every single metric between the guy and the girl

OP isn't wrong. The dating world right now is fucking insane; women have such high standards

>>81803122
>I'm not looking to date some low life femoid that has nothing going for her because that's all that's available.
a starving dog complaining that he doesnt want the scraps? that he deserves the best cut of the meat?

more common than one would think

>>81802960 (OP)
You genuinely have no standards besides don't be fat? You dont' care about her race, her socioeconomic background, job, education, her mental health, personality, body county? Just don't be fat? Really?

>>81803051
you dont dick about reality you retarded fucking baboon, lol. You understand reality? Go write a fucking book, run it up the mountain hill

>>81803146
> he deserves the best cut of the meat?
Point to where I said explicitly said I deserve the best of the best

>>81803168
No, I do have standards. I would prefer her to be on the same level or close to around that on most things

>>81803204
Not everyone needs to be write a book when they understand something retard. And I'm obviously in the right when I've experienced it first hand and million upon millions of guys have said the same thing.

>>81803251
>And I'm obviously in the right when I've experienced it first hand and million upon millions of guys have said the same thing.
This. Recurring patterns are not a coincidence. Men with experience know the nature of women

>>81803146
>>81803168
>>81803204
I'm honestly convinced these are the same people based on just how pretentious they are and how they keep jumping to conclusions

>>81803251
What about when millions more say you are retarded? And by "millions and millions" do you really mean to say the same dozen 4channers that posted a million threads? You have this (incorrect) view of the world, TAKE IT, ITS YOURS! However, because im not a fucking disabled retard like you, i dont view the world or women that way. Enjoy your delusion! Get back to posting:
>WIMIN BAAD WIMIN BAAAAAAAAD!

>>81803300
>i dont view the world or women that way
t. woman pretending to be a man, orbiter or virgin, truly.

>>81803228
thats what you're implying
you work out
you have a job, a house, a car
you engage with people
you think you deserve the best because you *think* you're at your best

new flash buddy, thats the FUCKING BASELINE
EVERYONE WANTS A HOUSE, EVERYONE WANTS TO BE HEALTHY, EVERYONE WANTS MONEY

shit will never be enough because we're all greedy fucks, we want more and more

>>81803300
> What about when millions more say you are retarded?
First of all, whataboutism. Second of all, that's not even remotely true. Anybody that isn't a living fossil understands just how unfair the standards and responsibilities are stacked against men.
> by "millions and millions" do you really mean to say the same dozen 4channers that posted a million threads?
Are you projecting or something? Literally even news articles are becoming aware of the situation and everyone and their moms are talking about. It's slowly becoming a relevant topic/issue and people are speculating the effects it has on the birth rate (ofc), politics, immigration, jobs, etc

>>81803318
> you think you deserve the best because you *think* you're at your best
Again, point to where I explicitly said I think I'm the best and therefore deserve the best.
> thats the FUCKING BASELINE
Expect that's not the baseline buddy. The actual baseline is that you like that person and that person likes you back. Everything else is just icing on the cake, that's why you have plenty of stories where a guy that "fulfills" ask a women's requirements still gets left because they baseline requirement of liking each other wasn't met and vice versa.

It's pretty clear to me that you barely understand what you're talking about. You just add on to common talking points instead of taking a step back and looking at the full picture to evaluate if this makes sense or not.

>>81802960 (OP)
I've seen a short fat guy who meets his girlfriends standards. Maybe you're just ignoring women?

>>81803446
Baseline is that you're already dating in your teens and probably married by around age 25. If you're too slow or picky then your standards are too high.

Cry harder Gaylord

>>81802960 (OP)
My co workers are trying to hunt down the Instagram of a tall guy that walked into the office right as I type this, lol still trying not to be black pilled

>>81802980
The only men I know who are in relationships or married all go to the gym or are somewhat muscular by default from doing house/yard work. They are also at least 5'10'' tall. They make at least average wage, if not more. And they're willing to bend over backwards to their women's wishes, especially the ones who are married and have kids. Those are also constantly broke, have no time for hobbies and aren't getting sex anymore.
All of them also drive their own cars, which they use to give free rides to their women everywhere. And they make more money than their women and they all own their own apartments/homes (banks assrape them with interest on their mortgages).
Everytime a somewhat young woman joins my workplace, I look her up to discover her bf is usually just like I described above and like picrel. This is true even for the most mid women imaginable, who are below 5 in every way. If you're thinking of approaching some uggo just because she might have lower standards, think again.
The only truly ugly dude I know who has a wife works in STEM and is bald, chubby and short, but not obese. His wife is a 2/10 landwhale who works minimum wage in a warehouse. It's actually depressing.
OP is right. There is no point. And most of these guys I know don't seem to enjoy being in their relationships. It's just their dumb biological instinct pushing them to do all of this effort for a wet hole. I've ascended past that, mentally.

>>81803459
I addressed it early that I have standards and don't want a girl that basically a child or a mannequin.

Hypergamy is so rampant that the girl who's equal or close equal to me is expecting someone that's borderline unrealistic.

If I lived a couple of decades earlier, then things would have worked out fine and it would for the majority of men too. But women nowadays expect someone that's levels above where they are

>>81803551
I'm the opposite. The only men I have ever seen who are single seem to be gym bros. Even my retarded cousin has a girlfriend.

>>81803563
Hypergamy just means marrying a rich guy. I've seen tons of poor people in relationships. The "born in le wrong generation" meme doesn't work if you're still posting on 4chan instead of carving some rowboat somewhere.

>>81803131
>>81803526
>>81803551
There's so much evidence of hypergamy being on steroids and people just continue to ignore when both personal experiences and data backs it up. It's like talking to a wall

>>81803575
> Hypergamy just means marrying a rich guy.
No, not necessarily. It means for woman to date someone in their league or above it. Women nowadays are all choosing to date/marriage someone way above their league and that's the important part of all this

>>81803551
>supreme gentleman ascended above the adult sex
>"i stalk every woman i work with and desperately learn everything about their love lives"
oh.

>>81803614
League is not a thing and people who use sports analogies for life are mentally ill. Hypergamy specifically means marrying into a higher economic class.

I know that teenagers use the word for dating someone more attractive, but this actually can't be a normal thing because that's not how attraction works. Hypergamy in that sense only exists in the rare case that a man has many options that are more attractive but chooses the less attractive girl and commits. If you're trying to fantasize about a world where most men are just too unattractive to women in general, then that's not dating up that's just too many men who are unattractive.

>>81803077
fr dude i know a bald Indian janitor who slays i think we all do haha

>>81803619
Stalking implies I go there again repeatedly. I don't. I just play this game in my head, asking myself wether she's single or has a bf. Almost always, they have bfs, no matter how bad-looking they are.
I genuinely am volcel. I even live with my parents and don't have a car because I want to build wealth. I do literally none of the stuff I'd have to do to be attractive to women, because I truly do not care and follow my best interests.
As I said, there's enough evidence that suggests having a gf is like having a second job, escept this job takes effort and you lose money instead of winning.

>>81803655
I'm genuinely fascinated by this experiment that brainwashed a lot of """"men"""' into thinking that money is more important than relationships or that you have to commit your life to wagecucking instead of building a family and life for yourself. I guess it's to slow down the growth of the population, thoughts?

>>81802960 (OP)
>I hate gender roles!!
Wah wah tough shit libcuck, man up.

>>81803675
I'm building wealth specifically to retire early or work part time past a certain age. I'm definitely not wagecucking or grinding. I go do my job as chilled as I can and then the massive saving from not paying rent, not paying mortgage, not having a wife and not having kids enables me to save and invest a lot of what I make.
>money is more important than relationships
It is. Money can buy almost everything and improve one's life in almost every way. And money is safer than relationshps. And money might just buy my way into a relationship at some point, considering how much women care about men being rich.

>>81802960 (OP)
Based. Same.
If she doesn't want to fuck me from the outset, then there is no point in chasing the impossible.
I'm trapped as a NEET shut-in anyway, so all I could offer is sex. Fuck all that socialising.

>>81802960 (OP)
If men here weren't so chadsexual, they'd know that hyper-muscular men are often not appealing to some women

>>81803714
what's the point of retiring if your job is chill? at what age do brainwashed people start living and raising a family, assuming you want to eventually spend that money?

>>81803794
>what's the point of retiring if your job is chill?
Because it's still 8h a day of not doing much and I have to wake up too early (7am). I'd rather be free to do whatever the hell I want like I was when I was a NEET.
>start living and raising a family
Raising a family is not living. You obviously haven't talked to normies who have families. All of them are miserable. I'll never want a family because I don't want to be poor and enslaved to the needs of a wife and kid. Only betafags and idiots still want families these days.
I also don't want to give a future slave to our ruling politicians and billionaires. You keep talking about "brainwashing" but the reality is men who are like me are rare. Most men are brainwashed that they need to have a family to be seen as successful in society. Of course, this brainwashing is done by the billionaire-controlled media outlets, because billionaires want future wageslaves for their infinite growth plan. Not having kids is actually a sign that you're not brainwashed and want to instead use your money for your own enjoyment and for living your own life.

>>81803881
>still 8h a day of wagecucking
tick tock!
>not living
everyone i know has a family and it's just a part of life. i understand that some people never want to grow up or whatever but it's funny that you were brainwashed to still wagecuck without any of the benefits of wagecucking

>>81803957
>still wagecuck without any of the benefits of wagecucking
I didn't have a choice. I was not born in a family rich enough to guarantee me never needing to work a day of my life.
And there are some benefits as I can still afford most of the things I want while building my retirement fund. I have my own comfy room with a self-built gaming PC and I have a few friends I go out with from time to time. At least I'm happy during those 4-5h I get for myself every weekday after coming home from work. Imagine normies with families don't even get that time for themselves and can't relax like I can.

>>81802960 (OP)
I agree this is what women want or she'll leave

women are children
oregano

>>81804016
you can relax without working a day in your life, bud.

>>81803642
> League is not a thing and people who use sports analogies for life are mentally ill.
No, it definitely is a real thing and it has to do with where you are in certain metrics.

Hypergamy doesn't have to exclusively mean dating someone richer than you, it just means dating someone better than you. Whether that's in terms of looks, confidence, knowledge, etc.

> a man has many options that are more attractive but chooses the less attractive girl and commits
Literally what I'm saying but you're just viewing it from the guy's pov

>>81803743
Same I agree. At a certain point, it's pretty obvious that a woman wants you to have all of these things to brag about it to her friends and everyone around here. It's not about attraction anymore, but shit status

>>81804238
>metrics
0/10 bait
>hypergamy does not have to exclusively mean hypergamy
yeah, that's what it means. your problem is that you just parrot a meme use of the word and you think anyone is being serious about it.
>you're just
If you agree that hypergamy is rare then yeah.

>>81804265
>hypergamy is rare
??? It's pretty prevalent and so it has become part of the collective male consciousness

>>81804304
it literally cannot be prevalent by definition.

>>81804135
NEETbux in my country pays half of the minimum wage. It's not enough. I'd have ended up running out of money about 10years after my parents died, with no work history and no skills. It's a fate that instilled enough fear in me at 25 to make me do something to finish my degree and get a job. And as much as I hate having a job, I'm glad my future looks quite safe now instead of scary and depressing as it once did. And I'm also glad my parents aren't ashamed of me anymore and are instead proud of me.

>>81804327
Only if you assume 1 man can only pair off with 1 woman.

In reality, the current state of the dating market is that the few men at the top juggle/burn through multiple different women.
Many women who can't even get pumped and dumped by those top men will just swear off dating altogether instead of settling for anything less.

>>81804261
Indeed. The most important part of the relationship (especially for a man) is sex; yet they like all that extraneous shit instead. It's all so tiresome.
I'd actually like to have a woman to kiss, massage and snuggle with. Get her soaked, and then fuck her brains out. But she'd just want to go outside and waste (my non-existent) money. Sad state of affairs. Of course, they hate it if a man is up front about sex being important and not caring about the nonsense. Not like I'd be allowed to play to my strengths as a partner, or anything. It's just a shame that escorts cannot cut it for my intimacy needs.

>>81804397
>women swear off dating
Then that's not hypergamy, it's just men being unattractive. The ratios don't matter. Men and women are naturally attracted to each other, and in some cases you get hypergamy when a lower class woman marries a rich guy. Your fantasy world where women are not attracted to most men and find themselves sharing a few survivors or being alone has nothing to do with the definition or the meme use of the word hypergamy.

>>81802960 (OP)
curse not the hardship, but your own weakness

>>81802960 (OP)
You should have sex at least a few times. Just to know that it's not worth it.

>>81804504
Dating Apps and modern day dating Trends among the young Show that this is pretty much the case though. Not for a grand amount of women but a sizeable one.

>>81802980
Cope
https://incels.wiki/w/Scientific_Blackpill

>>81803286
Some of them are bots I think. Sometimes I see posts sperging out about incels in completely unrelated threads without prompt, all in that same tone.

>>81803761
You're right, its actually all about height and facial structure (genetic). Money and status can compensate to a degree.

>>81802980
It's not far from the truth unless you're fucking around, you can be a slob and a manwhore.
People just don't like serious stuff these days or have a very stunted perception of what serious means.