try and ignore things like bodyhair and tattoos and just focus on the body type, please specify if you're a fembot or gaybot and your age

>>81841091 (OP)
24f i like 9 the most out of these images. i think i'd like 1 the most if he didn't have such a small waist, while still being about as skinny. i think a tiny waist like that looks kind of weird/too feminine on men even though skinny is often best.

I hate being a framecel.

>>81841091 (OP)
18f uh 2 looks the best but maybe a bit wider shoulders

>>81841135
so you'd still prefer a skinny guy over 9 but it's just that particular body of number 1 doesn't quite do it for you?

22gaybot, 4, 7 and 10 are ideal. twinks are overrated, i enjoy plapping pathetic failblobs

>>81841135
9 isn't skinny, he's actually pretty bulky.

>>81841091 (OP)
I'm gay and I want to fuck the shit out of 7 and 10. I wish I looked like 11. Trying to get that big is hard, I want to throw up after eating a bulking meal.

>>81841091 (OP)
20 uk femanon 1 with a bit more weight

>>81841091 (OP)
22f and I think I like 1 the most
The rest are too fat/muscular and 8 is way too skinny

>>81841179
>>81841187
As always, only gays like fatties

>>81841163
probably. i have two types. whatever 9 is (stronk but no abs bc to me abs always look kind of weird), and very skinny. but my type of skinny isn't that image.

been working out for a few years and maybe i dont need to actually get bigger, maybe it's time to get lean

>>81841208
>isn't in that image*

>>81841208
>but my type of skinny isn't that image
do you have a picture of your ideal?

>>81841091 (OP)
F/19 and i prefer the 1 or 3

>>81841091 (OP)
18M Gaybot here. The most attractive body is 5. Not disgustingly fat or inhumanely muscular but not anorexic either. I want to cuddle with him

>>81841187
>I wish I looked like 11
that's eddie hall, literally one of the strongest men in the world. he was at his peak size and strength in that image, it would take copious amounts of steroids and good genetics to get that big

>>81841179
>>81841187
Those people are repulsive, wtf is wrong with you?? They're obese. You're fetishizing health problems and early death.

>>81841242
anon may be the next worlds strongest man, you never know. countless would-be superstar athletes lived and died as cattle because they never realized their full potential

>>81841226
Aren't those like complete opposites?

>>81841276
They're fucking gay (mentally ill)

>>81841226
2 isn't attractive to you? it's literally in the middle of both

Why do foids on this board love skinny men if muscularity is a sexually dimorphic trait

>>81841276
thats the point, goofball.

>>81841091 (OP)
9 and 5 to be with.
1 to think about in a fujoshi way.

None of these are attractive. They're either too skinny or too muscular or too low bodyfat or they're fatties.

>>81841339
post pic of your ideal then

>>81841091 (OP)
9 is perfect
Not ori

>>81841319
Because muscles aren't a genetic trait, it's literally just face and height that are the most unchangeable.

>>81841323
Do women like 1 because they imagine that they can be in a physically equal relationship with him?

>>81841319
muscular men are too try hard and its kind of gay because it shows that you care about your appearance too much

21m i like 1 a lot though all of these builds have really wide shoulders, bone structure wise

>>81841224
really specific but i have this one pic of shirtless david tibet and it shows my type perfectly

>>81841356
Capacity for muscle building and strength is mostly genetic. Wrist and ankle circumference is heavily correlated with strength potential. You can't make yourself big and strong if you're a framecel.

>>81841091 (OP)
i am a 29 year old woman and my ideal body type here would be 5 the others are either too big or too small

>>81841396
Only realistic woman in this thread

>>81841389
Who said anything about frame, women love men with wide frames even if they're skinny. They just don't care if he's muscular, it's all about your genetic traits you can't change. Cavemen didn't look like bodybuilders.

>>81841406
>tfw only realistic option is the "man" with wide hips and manboobs

>>81841091 (OP)
12. am bi-bot

>>81841377
I agree but there has to be limit, why pick 1, he would lose a fight to the average 12 year old

>>81841406
5 has a shit body kek

>>81841410
I'm just nitpicking what you said about muscles not being a genetic trait. They are largely genetic.

>>81841376
I kinda imagine I'm him in the scenario (getting fucked by a big dude).
And no, I'm not trans.

>>81841419
The gyno can be operated and most men are unfortunately not built like upside down doritos

>>81841445
Most average men can look like 2 with enough protein, training, and a diet.

>gynotranny thinks he should be the standard for male attractiveness
The west is doomed.

>>81841419
>>81841436
>>81841458
why are you all being mean... my ex looked like that and i loved his body

>>81841436
>>realistic
look outside

is the female equivalent of 5 one of those powerlifter girls who's a little chubby but has a powerful ass?

>>81841495
sorry meant 9 not 5

>>81841466
Most probably can't, but either way it's still genetic luck. If you're a framecel then you can't look like that and you'll be small and weak no matter what. It's hell.

>>81841453
I really dont understand the yaoi psychology, woman imagine themself as weak twink to get fucked by big man, why imagine yourself as a twink, why not just pretend to be a hot woman

>>81841436
average man in his 20s is fatter and less muscular than that

>>81841091 (OP)
The ugliest one is number 11 even though 10 is fat too. Working out and still being this fat seems like a mental problem.

>>81841520
I bet that if you asked women outside which is the most attractive body on this chart they would pick 9, so no

>>81841548
Man maybe Americans lmao

>>81841564
They would pick whichever has the hugest upper body.

>>81841426
I picked 1 because he looks like he could fit into women's clothing which I find kind of hot because im a fujoshi

>>81841546
nta but it's hard to explain. i don't imagine myself as either the top or bottom i just appreaciate it. sexually speaking women might be more into power dynamics then men (probably as a result of being le weaker gender) and big man/small man can be an interesting/hot power dynamic that is also noticeably different from man/woman. there is more competition between men than between a man and a woman for example.
t. fujoshi who's mostly but not entirely grown out of it

>>81841615
>because im a fujoshi
friend

>>81841581
>Height was negatively correlated with mating success
Everything else disregarded.

>>81841581
So, i should start bulking and taking test?

>>81841662
Remember who is having children in the west, it's mexicans and whatever riff raff europe gets, populations which are shorter than the natives

>>81841689
Then that's not relevant data. They are sleeping with other 4 foot tall women from their own race. It doesn't apply to normal people.

>>81841635
I know man/man dynamics are different than man/woman dynamics, the military was the gayest shit ever but i wonder how much man/man dynamics women actually observe though because men act very different when a somewhat suitable woman enters the gathering. I've tried reading a bit of yaoi but the dynamics are completely

>>81841091 (OP)
Why are the options either obese, concentration camp skeleton or roided out?
Where are the natty, somewhat muscular, 15%-20% body fat bodies?

>>81841734
Because normal men are invisible to women.

>>81841733
well yea women can never really know or experience it directly irl because i assume all men act at at least a bit different as soon as a woman is around vs. only being around another man. but from what i've observed being a guy and hanging out with other guys seems very fun and cool.

>>81841734
>>81841769
You think a woman made the image? An incel or tranny made it and obviously an autist like that is going to only include extremes instead of average bods.

>>81841809
>average bods
the average bod in question:

im 1 and yes i can confirm bitches do like me a lot

>>81841809
4, 5 and 7 are representative of the average person

>>81841832
>instant seething tranny response

>>81841840
>*snap*
oops, sorry didn't see you there

>>81841791
Depends on if the retardation is kept within reason or gets out of control, on the positive side men/men friendships dont try to give eachother eating disorders for no reason. The major problem with yaoi is that the twink is way too submissive to be believable, a small/big man relation either consists of the big man being nice and all is well or the big man is mean but the small man has no other friends so is forced to hang with him, the small man will always try to backstab the big man in the second scenario

>>81841091 (OP)
>tfw a 10

>>81841862
>doesn't deny it
kek

>>81841869
>*shoots u*
oops, sorry i might come to your funeral tho

>>81841878
>The major problem with yaoi is that the twink is way too submissive to be believable
well when i was more actively reading yaoi fanfics i did like ones where the "twink" character was always basically a big tsundere type who didn't want to seem submissive or weak to others, maybe that was more realistic as well than the typical yaoi story where the bottom acts like a girl basically since i never liked those. i also prefer yaoi that explores comradery, you don't see that as often in hetero stories obviously and it makes it more interesting for me.

>>81841919
>*pulls out deflective shield*
heh, nice try kiddo

bumhole sex is smelly and disgusting

>>81841900
>hon doesn't deny it
Uh oh.

>>81841939
*pulls out a mirror*
two can play this game, bub

>>81841954
>*turns off the light*
now your mirror is useless mysterio

>>81841965
*attaches night vision and shoots under your shield*
say goodbye to your feetsies, frodo

>>81841091 (OP)
27 f
i like whatever body type picrel is

>>81841938
I remember asking myself if girls act like the twink since i thought it was so absurd when i saw someone male acting like that. I kinda wonder why girls still act like they do even now, since they have all the rights and capability

>>81841091 (OP)
fembot, 9 is literally the ideal to me

>>81842015
>I kinda wonder why girls still act like they do even now
hormones are behind everything, women naturally have wayy less testosterone for example.

>>81841978
>*takes off decoy feet to reveal real feet underneath*
weren't expecting that, were ya punk?

>>81842046
*throws a grenade at your real feet*
well, been nice knowin ya son

>>81842036
fuck that. im 1 and you're gonna be happy with me thats it end of story

saw this dude recently on i think 8ch trap board or sm, i want a boyf like him

imagine 1 and 9 having seggz

>>81842012
literally me. be my fembot gf

>>81842041
Shouldn't trans people act like their prefered gender in that case, something that is not uncommon but not exactly the norm

the trouble with 9 is that his face would look puffier and less attractive compared to if he was leaner

>>81842084
that was simplified ofc. what hormones you've recently injected or started injecting as a tranny matters less than the long-term effects of having lived in a female/male body during puberty since that's simply the time when hormones have the most effect on your body and brain.

>>81842079
i'm ugly, old, degenerate, and weird
you don't want me

>>81842113
Probably doesn't matter, body can carry him anyway

>>81842114
So if you inject a girl with estrogen during puberty she will be girly girl who loves pink and is submissive to anyone who tells her anything

>>81842171
i doubt it works that way, too much of some hormone can have bad side effects. i looked up once why can't women inject estrogen like men can inject testosterone (to some degree). it's because pre-menopausal women are at a risk of developing breast cancer from too much estrogen.

>>81842212
Odd correlation, should be tested in my opinion

>>81842212
men get an increased risk of cancer from steroids too, birth control is literally just estrogen.
many girls are taking it in their early teens

>>81842257
I forgot that, shame, unfortunate that they dont get absurd boobs from blasting estrogen since they're 13

>>81842257
i guess so, but it's vastly inferior to anabolic steroids which men have access to. it's like comparing a kiddie swing to a rollercoaster lol.

>>81841091 (OP)
18fem, and 6 for sure. looks strong and wide

>>81841091 (OP) (OP)
18fem, and 6 and 9 for sure. looks strong and wide

>>81842504
i didnt purposefully pick 69 ;-; sorry

>>81842543
stop making me think about 69ing you

How much do you wanna bet that most of the fembots who have replied to this thread are obese?

>>81842595
i'm 105lbs, most men here (including the troons like you) are actually obese though.

>>81842640
>105lbs
easy to throw around, how tall are you?

>>81841377
At the same time foids like prettyboys.
???

>>81842543
Hmmm, maybe all men should do roids

>>81842595
fuck u cunt id kms if i were fat
this me
>>81842504
>>81842543
go to /fa/thread/18488116 i get so fucking triggered when ppl think am fat omg id reeee all over u bitches if this was 2018

>>81841091 (OP)
22f 1,5,9 they look like they have nice arms to hug

>>81842694
All this thread has told me is that women dislike clearly defined abs but like slightly visible ones

>>81841091 (OP)
I've been 1, 4, 7, 5 and am now 9 but no abs, a bit of a ponch.
Women only compliment my body at 9

>>81842694
All this thread has told me is that women dislike clearly defined abs but like ones slightly covered/nonexistant

>>81842737
being fit while having no visible abs looks effortlessly good, but having visible abs gives "i'm a feminine guy who cares way too much about my appearance". of course actual athletes are exempt, i'm talking about guys who just build a body at a gym.

>>81842725
>>81842737
its because too defined means hes more likely to be a gym freak and not take breaks or have fun. like what if i make him a pie but he freaks out cz its too many cals. like am straight, if i wanted that behavior id date a woman yk?

>>81842760
Good for me since my abs are shit

>>81842737
it looks soft but sturdy/strong.

>>81842765
exactly

>>81842765
Im starting to think that female heterosexuality is just not wanting to be with a woman rather than anything about the man

>>81842789
is that a shock? men complain if woman are too masculine all the time. why would it be diffrent the other way. i want a man not a fag

>>81842775
good
origami salami

>>81842789
nta but women like masculinity. but some things that men detect as masculinity are actually femininity and that's why women aren't as into those things on men.

>>81842765
>i make him a pie
oh boy what flavour!

>>81842825
Im gonna start smoking cigars and chewing tobacco, masculine af

>>81842860
but that's feminine because you're doing it to look cool

>>81842806
Women tend to get a bit prissy if you look more put together than them i've noticed

>>81842872
Women do things to look like sex objects, looking cool is a seperate thing

>>81841091 (OP)
4, 10, and 9
7, 5, and 1 are ok
the rest are bad

>>81842860
pls dont its nasty, whats less masculine then dying young cz of cancer and leaving your old wife all alone.
>>81842853
oh god, pre covid tiktok. but goggle Pastafrola and click on the wiki

>>81842874
its called looks matching, men do it too but some are stupid and they brag about how much hotter their gf is. even if i could get a 10/10 bf, id be a horrible partner cz id always be insecure.

>>81842860
it is and i agree ngl

>>81842899
that's not a flavour fembot

>>81842899
This is the wrong board to be talking about a future wife, anyway chewing tobacco is disgusting and cigars are expensive (the cuban ones atleast) so my plan will have to wait

>>81842939
oh wait never mind it is haha

>>81842939
sweet but tart? its same of a fruit jam thingy made of quince

>>81842640
>i'm 105lbs, most men here
Yes I'm fat and? I'm probably twice your weight. I'd love to throw around a girl like you in bed.

>>81842939
>>81842955
BPD, as all robots are.

>>81841581
pure unfiltered suicide fuel. Man, being a framecel really is the worst huh?

>>81842927
Men dont get as insecure as women, thats why they can keep a hotter partner for a few months atleast

>>81842961
fat men are disgusting. are you even a man? sin of glutteny and greed incarnate

>>81842961
>I'm probably twice your weight
manboobs moment

>>81842961
i'd wrestle you fat boy (i'd win (i will suck your dick))

>>81842976
14cm wrists

>>81842984
>fat men are disgusting
I'd just lay ontop of you and sweat all over you.
>>81842985
Suck them.

is it over for me bros
may god have mercy on your eyeballs

>>81843048
just gain weight and muscle dumbass(ive never been to a gym, dont listen to me)

>>81843028
I just measured mine, they're 16. The worst part of it is nobody will ever take you seriously or consider you good at anything.

>>81843015
>i'd win
I really doubt that.

>>81843029
>tranny with manboobs
Must be proud of yourself kek

>>81843092
I'm a man with man boobs. Now come here skinny fembot.

>>81841091 (OP)
Always went for 9 but I look like 4. How do I achieve this body? I'd have to train in the gym I guess. You can't have this kind of muscle definition by doing manual work that's specifically pre-work out + Gym right?

>>81841091 (OP)
>>81843048
is it true skinny guys have bigger cocks or so they just *look* bigger beacuse of lower body fat

>>81841091 (OP)
19f
1 and 5

>>81843357
i think there's a fetish where men gain weight to make their dicks looks smaller, so yea sort of.

>>81842893
successful rage bait

>>81843155
Does it bother you that if you ever get a gf you'll never be desired sexually by her.

>>81841091 (OP)
6, 9, and 12

>>81843048
If you ate and exercised slightly more you would be perfect.

>>81843444
You are giving me exactly what I'm asking for.

>>81843506
So, either pure acceptance or possibly a cuck fetish as a coping mechanism. Good to know

>>81841091 (OP)
I'm into role reversal (male) so:
Hottest bottoms - 3, 9, 12
Hottest tops - 1, 7, 8, 10

>>81842012
twink
that's the bodytype

>>81843503
>perfect
I dont think so, the dot censoring the cock isnt that big

>>81843536
My ex girlfriend loved my body abd she was skinny.

>>81843658
Damn I was just shitposting

Betwen 2 and 1

>>81843732
Still made me coom skinny fembot.

>>81843757
Okay then I feel violated

>>81843789
To be fair it did hurt a little. Does that make you feel better?

>>81843612
twink makes me think of picrel which is ever so slightly different

>>81843048
I (straight male) think you are beautiful. Not in a sexually stimulating way, but in a way that reminds me of Donatello's David. You are like a living work of art, and you shouldn't be ashamed of yourself.

>>81841662
>height negatively correlated with mating success
>short-term attractiveness negatively correlated with mating success
A lot of this is probably due to not controlling for race.

>>81842640
we did a poll here just under a year ago, and there were more underweight anons than obese ones, the average BMI was tiny compared to the regular US average.

>>81841091 (OP)
Answering on their behalves.

>>81844477
>tfw 12cel
it's over

>>81844477
Wait 7 is attractive? I'm close to that skinnyfat over some muscle. 200lbs 6'3"

>>81844477
i like 6 and 14
t. f

9 is my goal body.

>>81843048
Let me SUCK your stupid faggot twink cock

>>81844459
They probably weren't actually underweight but we're just framecel. Having a small frame can cause you to be "underweight" in terms of BMI even though you're actually a completely normal weight for your frame.

>>81843653
He's probably flaccid and he'd be a bottom anyways.

>>81841356
It's also frame; which itself is a mix of bone diameter, shoulder to waist ratio, waist to hip ratio, and rib cage diameter.
The benefit of muscles is that they fraud frame the same way facial hair frauds facial structure.
The ideal is tall with good proportions, large framed, and lean; the former two being entirely genetic.

The young, mentally ill foids here are not a good sample for determining what women collectively find attractive.
Women also seem incapable of answering honestly when it comes to this given the extreme incongruity between what they say and what the type of men who are highly sexually successful look like.

>>81844635
>between what they say and what the type of men who are highly sexually successful look like.
What do they look like?

>>81844635
Unless you're going for sluts, why try to look like the kind of man who pursues whores? Manwhores go for sluts and that's how it's always been like.
Absolute retard king moment.

>>81844687
i want to go for sluts how do i manwhoremasxx

>>81844697
Look like a frat guy that's about it. And be tall kek.

>>81841091 (OP)
18 year old fembot, i personally like 1 more.

>>81841091 (OP)
would love to look like 9 but im 5'4 and would look like a weird tryhard dwarf, kek

>>81841091 (OP)
1 is the sexiest to me right now lol

>>81844680
2,3,6,9
The twinks are only good looking to high school girls or severely psychologically stunted women.

>>81845568
But only like 0.5% of men look anything like that.

Fembot, idc what a guy's body looks like as long as it's no extremes. No morbid obesity, no freakish body builder and no anorexic build and im js fine. My favorite are 9 or five tho

>>81843048
Are you naturally hairless or do you shave off all your body hair like a faggot?

>>81841091 (OP)
I like 1 the most as a homosexual.

>>81841091 (OP)
18m 9 or 1

>>81841091 (OP)
Ever since I became a stripper I've lost all attraction to men that aren't super feminine and cute.

>>81841091 (OP)
20f I like 1 or 8

>>81846181
>>81846208
>>81846468
Kek this changes to normal masculine bodies/muscular once a woman turns about 25.

A whores opinion doesn't matter regardless though.

>>81841091 (OP)
1 or 9

9 is better than one but looks more unappealing from the lighting

>>81846994
I meant 8 lmao

>>81841091 (OP)
I'm ugly and old but twinks forever (1)

Should everyone who's not a twink be killed?

>all the foids pick the chad

>>81847293
Anyone who's not a 1,2,3,9 should be killed

>>81841091 (OP)
gaybot, 20

Objectively 9 is 3, 9, and 6 are the most attractive, but i don't mind most other body types. I kinda like fat guys too, but severely morbidly obese is where i draw the line.

The only one i think i wouldn't date in any circumstance is 11. I don't like the artificial, roided out, musclegut look. I also don't like older men.

>>81841091 (OP)
skinny fat is the way to go.

>>81841091 (OP)
how do i escape 4 hell?
im stuck here almost all of my life

>>81847411
stop eating and lose that wait and then go to the gym to build muscle if you want. I am 5'11 and was anorexic tier skinny all my teenage years and dreamed of the day I start gaining weight to at least get a dad bod (fat in the arms and back), but then after 25 I got to 160lbs and the love handles were already forming while my arms were still skinny. I realized I had the bad type of fat distribution and lost weight down to around 135lbs again.

>>81846021
yes, now you understand why women are chad-only

>>81841091 (OP)
9 is goals. Everything else is retarded

>thread is still up
i hate this board

>>81841091 (OP)
21 fembot. I like: 1-6, 9 and 12. I like skinny (not too skinny though)-, chubby guys and gymcels

>>81848434
but the most important question is what is the ideal penis size

>>81848461
Women refuse to answer this question

>>81848502
most the time when i ask fembots with this picture they say 7x5.5

>>81848516
Sadge, geuss i will have to fist a foid if i want her to feel any pleasure

>>81848461
I wouldn't know, it's hard to tell from a photo

>>81841091 (OP)
Not gay or female but 9 looks confy and wanna bulk up to that.
Comfy bodyfat and stronk.
Low mentainance and u can eat well without being a faggy cal counter

>>81848557
that's why there's foreams and hand comparison, try finding an object that fit's your perfect size and compare

>>81841091 (OP)
I work out a lot, but don't have mad cash, so I have 6 or 9.

>>81841091 (OP)
i'm straight but would pick 12 if i had to. i'd be able to view him as part robot part flesh. its flab that looks idiosyncratic or personal. 12 just looks like a healthy organism. our interaction would be more clinical and somehow less gay

>>81848583
Maybe 5-7" and 4,5-5" but I wouldn't know

>>81841091 (OP)
Gaybot here with skinny body genetics and a butter pale face. Through exercise I obtained a rather athletic body yet I am still skinny and framelet.

1, 2, 3, 6, 9 are okey or hot.

I can tolerate 5 and 12.
4 is barelly tolerable.
The rest are a hard no.

>>81848619
just say 10x7 fembot we can handle the truth

>>81848668
That's way too big kek, I'm being honest

>>81841091 (OP)
10 and 1
>19 yr old femanon
I only Deal in extremes

>>81848685
>I only Deal in extremes
is that also true for this
>>81848461

>>81848766
No thank you i pass on micro penis and horse cock
4-8 is the range

>>81841091 (OP)
24m gay,
from most attractive to least:
6=9>11=12=3>5=2>4>7>10=8=1

>>81848516
Brutal. It's fucking over.

>>81848461
6long and 4 around