Anyone else here feel like the black pill isnt dark enough? As ive gone more and more outside and touched grass more and more ive noticed something that i think a lot of bluepilled people have said and are right about. There is a lot of ugly, weird dudes with attractive girlfriends. This, though, isnt a beacon of hope to me, but a sign that things are actually WORSE and MORE HOPELESS than i previously thought. To a point where its more out of your control than genetics. It is a divine wrath, a punishment from God.

The amount of fat manchildren i have seen who, without ever having to "love themselves" or really self improve at all still have dating lives. They are good enough, despite acting worse than me, and looking worse than me. Theres a guy who is dating a girl i work with. This girl is 21, fairly cute, redhead. The guy is a fat dude, doesnt know how to dress, claims to be "traditionalist" but sleeps around, hes short, he has nothing going for him. Now what does he get for his effort or there lack of? A virgin who is loyal to him. What do i get not being like him? Nothing. Absolutely fucking nothing. At best im told i need to be celibate. I am considered a walking abomination. I am considered worse than rape, worse than assault, worse than manchild. I am considered a walking embodiment of violence and rape and disgust. He isnt. I am. And i keep having situations like this happen. Over and over again. I see these shit dudes who have never been to a gym get girls, while i get nothing. Absolutely nothing. I am left to rot, im told im worthless and not good enough, im ignored, rejected, hated, and seen with pity and disgust. It is not too far to say at this point there is no way in hell a woman, just a random woman, sees me as human. There is no way they do. I believe there is a blacker pill where you are marked, by your creator itself, to be alone. To be like Cain, left to wonder the earth a pariah.

Why? I have no idea. Why are some people punished and filtered while others arent. What did others do to deserve that fate while others escape it? It is a great mystery to me. Why am i expected to be 10x better than everyone while everyone else is just good where they are? Is there such thing as being born a hellspawn? Being born not with a soul and instead being born secretly evil? Could that explain the punishment? I never understood why it seems to hit some people but leave others alone. If the genetic blackpill was real all these guys should be single. Most dont have good careers at all, most just sit on their ass and play video games all day. Female friends of mine have said "women just want a guy who cares about them and keeps them safe" when if thats the case it loops back to my point where they dont see me as a man, much less human. They dont want me to care about them, i am who they want to stay safe from.

>>81845837 (OP)
Tbf there is no more stronger blackpillers than foids themselves, even though they will NEVER acknowledge it. If you think bp is not dark enough then keep trying to hang around with normie roasties. It will be enough to make you feel BP is dark enough.

>>81845837 (OP)
The only thing the blackpill did was make dating standards and mental illness even worse for men and create a culture that does everything it complains about(Like chad worship, lookism etc.) except worse. Blackpillers are literal scum

>>81845875
Thats basically what ive been doing and in the end it cant be genetics if these guys are still getting laid and still having families and still having dating and sex lives. It has to be something deeper and even more unchanging. Deeper than who your physical person is. A damnation of your soul, forced to walk the earth.

>>81845881
Black pillers are more hopeful than what i am talking about because it takes out the possibility of it being your fault. What action have i committed to justify not having a girlfriend my entire life? What action did i do that requires being completely and utterly mogged by man children who are broker than me, uglier than me, more out of shape than me, have less on paper going for them, etc? Why must i be a constant list of repairs while they are apparently perfect? Why am i never considered good enough?

Logically answer is im not welcome on this earth. I am sort of like the blanks from warhammer, people dont know why they hate me, they just do. They dont know why they dont want me around as much, they just know they dont.

>>81845837 (OP)

Betas getting partners is covered by strategic pluralism (also known as dual-mating strategy) under the blackpill umbrella. Check out the incel wiki for more info on that.

>https://incels.wiki/w/Strategic_pluralism

>>81845926
Ive thought about this too. But think about the fact a woman considered that and didnt even see you worth even using for this. Like she had to have done the numbers in her head, thought it through, etc. And decided nah, hes not even worth that.

Not only that a lot of these "betas" still have fwbs, situationships and other out of relationship sexual experiences that ive seen and heard about. Like the mainchild i talked about above who has the virgin girl in the palm of his hand is in a fwb situationship with her. No commitment. It bugs the hell out of me because that is something chad should only be able to do and yet, he gets it. And many dudes ive known in the past also got it. But me, for some reason, is so much worse. Not a single woman has ever thought that about me in my entire life, despite any changes i try to make. It does not matter.

>>81845837 (OP)
just get fat idiot. men on this board are so funny they come up with all this shit trying to explain why women dont like them when the obvious answer is that women (especially the cute nerdy girl type that people on here are into) love fat guys not skinny men.

>>81845960
>Not only that a lot of these "betas" still have fwbs, situationships and other out of relationship sexual experiences that ive seen and heard about.
Most men can't have casual sex, they only get laid in committed long term relationships. Nonchads typically can't have casual sex.

>>81845837 (OP)
>>81845863
It's because you were held back by your families and didn't socialize enough either for that reason or for some arbitrary thing that affected you as a child. Over time the effects of being left out compounded on you and you were forever locked out of normiedom

>>81845960

>Not only that a lot of these "betas" still have fwbs, situationships and other out of relationship sexual experiences that ive seen and heard about.

Could be a result of modern times. By that, I mean birth control. It changes women's preferences to prefer less masculine, more feminized men in terms of physical as well as mental features.

>>81845994
Tried, i struggle to get passed 130lbs. I think being fat is seen as more normal. I do wish at times i did weigh significantly more because i wouldnt have these problems. Being skinny as a man is not being a man but something else entirely. I just cant force myself to eat anymore. I feel like its part of the punishment.

>>81846014
I literally know a guy who is doing that right now. Thats the thing thats breaking my mind, because he and many others ive known shouldnt be having it casually. It should be a total luxury. So what the fuck are they doing differently that im not.

>>81846046
I think about this too. My parents were extremely over protective to the point where even at nearly 30 they still call me twice a day asking about what im doing. I cant go out and socialize or else i have to wait for them to call me because if i call them first they will wonder why. I basically have to be locked in my apartment all the time because they believe, i think, that the world is an awful terrible place full of violent people and i am a weak piece of shit they failed in raising.

>>81846047
Dude i was thinking about this. A lot of the guys ive seen are feminine or just incompetent in life. A lot of these women are on birth control for things like acne. How do you even compete in a world where every other womans brain is totally fucked into the dirt?

>>81845837 (OP)
you weren't socialized enough growing up and now have an underdeveloped mind that causes you to act different from others, that's the root cause of most incels, every single normie guy has a gf and lost their virginities in high school and experienced all the other things you're supposed to growing up, that's why fat ugly dudes are getting pussy and you're not

>>81846014
"chad" isn't real. average normie dudes can easily and do hook up with chicks, get into situationships, cheat on their partners, have fwb, etc. don't believe me? go actually talk to some dudes

>>81845960

betas dont have fwbs, situation ships etc

what truly defines the blackpill is only by being objective and correct.

check out this video, you're only listening to old farts. the times have changed. height and looks are law. its over. since it never began.


also, everyone is more superficial now. those fwbs you name? they also fuck chad. the male virginity rate is increasing.

foids are only fucking chad and sharing chad among themselves. they see other men as cannon fodder. also the increase in low testosterone in men also made them actually repulsive, no risk taking initiative. these fuckers are the biggest pussies. a disgrace to our ancestors.

now there's something called looksmaxx, which you can try out and increase your facial features, skinmaxxing, leanmaxxing, etc, also height maxxing.

what's your height anyway?

>>81846120
This is what im seeing over and over again. Its why i have to believe there is something far deeper and far more hopelessly wrong with me. If it is my socialization, it is unchangeable because its how my personality now is, its who i am as a person. For years i lived with the idea it was genetics, it was just how things are, but now im realizing there is a reality where things werent like this, where im not in emotional pain all the time. And it could have been as easy as a few alternative choices in my past. For it to all line up like this there has to be some sort of deeper and unchanging thing that just looking weird.

I have effectively been told to fuck off by humanity. Women have collective banished me from the gene pool. For that harsh of a sentence there has to be something major going on i dont know about. Something that makes me worse than even the worse abusers. Because to be an abuser you have to be in a relationship. I am not even considered for that.

>>81846145
>For that harsh of a sentence there has to be something major going on i dont know about. Something that makes me worse than even the worse abusers.
Anon have you been diagnosed with autism by any chance? normie women hate that shit, and I know about it all to well.

>>81846143
If you posted a video i dont see it. Sure, the FWB also fuck chad. But the fact these guys are getting a piece of the pie while I GET NOTHING tells me i am below them. I dont think i can post pics of these guys i am seeing but they are, under no circumstances, chads. They are all fat nerdy guys next to attractive women. The bar ive seen in my own personal life makes it look like its in hell but i cant even reach it still. I do agree they arent risk takers, but they are STILL having sex and STILL having girlfriends and STILL having families. If they are the biggest pussies and a disgrace to our ancestors what does that make me?

And i am below 6ft but once again i know several dudes in relationships who are below that height. It just never works out for me for some reason

>>81846182
I have not been, i might have been diagnosed with ADHD when i was a kid but i think every normal boy gets diagnosed with that because they dont want to sit in a chair listening to some bitch for 8 hours.

You're making the same mistakes that normies do that prevents them from grasping the situation. There are millions of men and women around us, of course you will see tons of average dudes with wives and gfs. You have to zoom out to see the problem, which is that because of the inherent imbalance of male/female sexual market value and hypergamy, this means a lot of men will be left out of dating, and those men are more likely to be less attractive.

Still, things are worse than they seem because incels are just the tip of the iceberg. What about men who aren't virgins but still struggle to get consistent sex and girlfriends? Those who had to settle for fat women, single moms and bpdemons? Things are much more bleak when you consider the overwhelming power women hold over the masses of men in the dating market.

black pill is small time, get into philosophical pessimism like schopenhaur, cioran, and mainlander.

Mainlander invented the concept of the god being dead (neetche stole it), and how god literally killed himself and the universe is his corpse

>>81846071
>>81846120
Maybe so, but none of that actually counts. The woman is just thinking "I love this ATM", or "this jester amuses me", and she thinks "how can I keep him around longer", and concludes that she can achieve it by letting him slide in her pussy. It's not actual good sex, it's all fake bullshit where she probably doesn't even cum.

>>81846089
>How do you even compete in a world where every other womans brain is totally fucked into the dirt?

Reminder that 1/4 of them are on SSRIs for their neuroticism - depression and anxiety.

>>81846071
>So what the fuck are they doing differently that im not.
based on this thread im thinking you think way too hard about things, they're probably chad in spirit but too lazy to be a physical chad, which comes as a chad trait of confidence in who they are right now. Also we're missing the factors of who you really are and who they really are like. We're only hearing it from you, and you seem pretty autist even in this thread where you should be painting yourself as the hero at least thats what im getting

Blackpill outlines exactly what is required of you to get a magically different life. Once I got blackpilled I funded all of my cope-funds into surgery and other looksmax stuff. Like $25k, Since then I've actually had GFs, one night stands and more crazy sexual escapades like public sex.

Most ppl are just incel due to a single failo, and you can fix many. If your eyes are different heights on your face and shit or you're 5'2; I'd suicide.

>>81846189

i cant upload the video but anyways, i understand how you feel bro.

wait how do you know these "guys" have sex with those attractive women? most of em who marry extreme difference in looks, either end up in dead bedrooms or cucks

idk how old they are but, if they're above 30 thats an entirely different world than how youngsters date and the current dating scenario. its fucked up honestly.

if you REALLY want to understand how the modern dating works, look into hypergamy, also these apps suck, they tool you into thinking you are ugly for sex/dating, so there's that

if you're 20-29 there's no hope in modern women, they're blackpilled as fuck. instinctively. the only way trucels can get laid now is escortmaxx but even that has its own problems.

also another thing, ppl who have families doesn't necessarily mean that its going well inside those closed doors, who knows what could be happening in their daily lives? also having a girlfriend isn't a flex bro,.the dudes you mentioned prolly betabuxx to these "girlfriends" cuz there's no way. if you could specific or gimme a range of how old these dudes you see, i can get a better picture of whatz going on

>>81846276
what's your height and dick size?

most dudes who are below 6 feet and below 5 inches have trouble finding women to date and fuck

>>81846276
is there a surgery to make your dick bigger yet? i only have 5inch on a good day so i shy away from sex unless she's so trustworthy and loyal she wont laugh or tell people.
other than that i'm handsome and tall and look way younger than i really am, but i've only had 4 gfs in my life. every girl i smile at smiles back and i have no problem talking and being friends, but it doesn't become dates

>>81846338
5'11 and 6.5in

I've seen little gigachadlets at 5'7 get laid tho. And chadlite at 5'9. I think 5'8 is minimum usually

>>81846317
These guys around around my age, mid-late twenties but some are younger than me. I know they are having sex because the women tell me, or the women get pregnant, sure, it could secretly be chads kids but we are looping back to a previous thing i brought up. The fact women dont see me as even worth this means they put me in a category below cuck or beta male. A rank so low they ignore it entirely.

Most of these guys are between 20-30. I have no idea if i can post photos of them but the difference is stark and insane. Im assuming too they are having a fine relationship since for some of them they have been dating for a while. I have a buddy too who is fairly open about stuff and i know even though he is below average he still has a loyal wife who he has sex with often. No chads, no whatever. And hes 24. He has the potential to make a lot of money but he doesnt make that yet and didnt when he met his now wife. For me its like the woman wants that money NOW because i am so bad.

>>81846338
Dick size is so irrelevant. Unless you live in a nudist commune to get to the point where she sees your dick in a consensual context you've already gone further than i have with any woman in my entire life

>>81845837 (OP)
>There is a lot of ugly, weird dudes with attractive girlfriends
I really don't see this. You just have low standards

>>81845837 (OP)
Do not despair OP, things usually aren't what they appear to be when it comes to couples. You might see lower tier men with women, but the outward appearance doesn't really tell the story. She might be using him as the rebound guy(very common), or she might be living off his income and taking a long vacation(also very common). Women will attach themselves to low tier men because the man provides for a certain need and the relationship will be extreme low maintenance for her.

I gained some insight into this when I got used for about a year. I thought I had a girlfriend, but she left as soon as I was broke and I finally woke up to the fact I was getting cheated on and played.

TL;DR: The lower tier men are getting used in some way, and it can go on for years. His experience with her is not the same as chad's.

>>81846361
>L;DR: The lower tier men are getting used in some way, and it can go on for years. His experience with her is not the same as chad's.

Ok, so then logically me and many people in this thread are below the lower tier of men. Because its not like we are rejecting the opportunity to get used, it flat out doesnt exist for us. We are seen as less than that by women. How is this not more insulting and darker? How is this not just being told "you arent even on the lowest scale of human you are so low, youre not even worth taking advantage of"

Also i guess ill see with a bunch of my buddies relationships since i am the only one single in my entire friend group and we are all under 30. Maybe every single one of them will end in a dead relationship and cheating and divorce but so far many of them have been going strong for years now. Time will tell.

>>81846357
>>81846338
I love reading the subreddit smalldickproblems because these Chad's are getting laid and the women are visibly disgusted. Their agony cheers me up bc I know I'll never get laid.

>>81845960
There was the real black pill chart where there were traits women select for, among there were low IQ, ADHD, low inhibition, sociopathic tendencies etc.

>>81846347

yeah that explains it bro, im 5'7, ltn, balding

where i live chicks are usually around my height lol,.im fucked

>>81845837 (OP)
Because you are effeminate and emotional. Women dont like that.

Women absolutely dont give a fuck about muscles, height, and of that bullshit. They want a man who will kill for them, who'll put them in their place. Thats why you see fat and short Pedros walking around with 10/10 baddies, because the woman feels safe and controlled around him.

You on the other head are whiny asf and act like an average women. Emo white girls used to say this kind of shit years ago.

>>81846498
For me, the situation I described where I got played is the only involvement of any kind I have had with women. A woman in my friend circle knew I was beta, clueless, and khhv and saw me as the perfect guy to take advantage of.

There are probably women in your circle who have you on the radar already as a backup guy or guy to get money from. I don't mean that in a mean way, it's just the reality of how women see guys like us. It may only be a matter of time before one of them moves toward you as her situation changes.

>>81846350

>A rank so low they ignore it entirely.

that doesn't exist, unless you're like literally deformed in the face and you're a dwarf, beta male is the lowest rank for a woman's gaze

seems like these people are the outliers to the blaclpill, but however, you can never tell for sure that they arent lying(lowballing here) but could be a possibility.

it also could be a cultural/societial thing.

is it a strict country? where women cant dare to cheat cuz of the consequences?

but yeah i guess,.few of your buddies are lying, cuz the situation is shitty rn, a trucel can never get laid now, unless the woman is equally as ugly

>>81846689
Fair, ive been told i look like i could kill but more in a school shooter type of way which is, like you said, whiny as fuck and bitchy emotional outburst type of way. I have no idea how to even control a woman without being abusive because being whiny and emotionally bitchy seems to just be in my nature. Is it even possible to learn? I also think since ive lived my entire life with women being a scarce luxury i am afraid to go too hard and then bam, never have another chance for ten years.

I usually only whine and bitch online. I dont openly talk about this type of stuff, or really any emotional problems i have with women. But i think that just makes me seem more inhuman

>>81846719
Its a conservative part of the US. That i think has a lot to do with it

>>81846689
>who will kill for them, who'll put them in their place.
requires muscle

>>81846719
>but yeah i guess,.few of your buddies are lying, cuz the situation is shitty rn, a trucel can never get laid now, unless the woman is equally as ugly

They could be, idk, thats the annoying thing. But the fact they are seen with women in a romantic way puts them in a category above me since im not even considered for that. Ive talked to them man to man about this and they have even said women look at them differently when the woman learns they are married or dating someone. They are looked at far differently. Thats the thing i cant shake. They have to be above beta or i have to be below beta, what would that be, omega? If women see them as normal but me as subhuman thats a different category. Or chad or chad-lite is actually super dumb easy to fall into by just existing.

>>81846794
Sharp stick doesnt need that much muscle. Nowadays you can have a fucking drum mag on a .50 cal and kill basically anything on this planet. That might require a bit of muscle to use effectively but if you hit something its gone twiggy arms or not

>>81846825
i dont know anything about guns i guess i can add that to my list of reasons i cant have a gf
so now everyone who played CoD and similar are more chad than me

>>81846850
Go watch youtube and learn about guns, you should have been doing this since the age of 12 if you are an american and not gay as fuck

Face is everything.
Money is bonus
But looking tough enough you can beat other men up is also bonus.

Roids/tan/tattoos/tough clothes or haircut/maybe piercings do boost your attractiveness but they won't get you htn treatment as a ltn but they may pick you over a cuck normie

Whenever I see a blackpill mismatch it's always a status/toughness/money variable. Usually they're bald powerlifters or bodybuilders

>>81846825
>>81846904
Gangbanging with open carry does count btw

>>81846908
I wonder if there is any stats for if women actually care about these things or if other men do. Because again, most of these guys i know arent that tough at all, and sure, maybe every single one of them is being cheated on but i feel like that is massive cope. I think i just live in a traditionalist area where they got their girlfriends and then wives when they were young. It seems like if you are over 25, if you fumbled your youth, you are absolutely and totally fucked especially with how retarded zoomers are with age gaps. They call a two year gap too high.

>>81845837 (OP)
Maybe its the pheromones. Its not something humans can consciously pick up. Maybe there is something wrong with you that women can unconsciously smell. Maybe you're more prone to getting disease or going psycho and then can smell it but can't describe the innate natural process they go through so they just call you a creepy incel to rationalize it?

>>81846794
U dont need muscle to protect your women lmfao. Half of the roided out muscular guys cant even fight or lift properly, they have low muscle density and only look buff because of a tiny amount of body fat.

And if you want muscles nothing is stopping you, biologically anybody can get muscles you just need to stop being a fatass

>>81845837 (OP)
>natural selection
People use this argument to make it out as if only virtuous, cunning, romantic men get laid but we know that's bullshit. Lots of people get with even the worst of men and women just to avoid being alone.

Most people settle OP and most people also aren't as interesting or kindhearted as you'd think. They aren't capable of the love that you're looking for, so don't bother taking their word on things. I know the internet calls this inhumane or anti-women but really listening to everyone is the worst thing you could possibly do. Most people don't know what they want until it's right in front of them.

>>81846954
I think the anon that said i give off subconscious whiny bitch vibes might be right. I like to say i am stoic, some people have called me stoic, but maybe to women im not as stoic as it seems. I also feel like me not knowing how to put women in their place because 99% of the time i dont care what they do because its not my house and not my fire so to speak. If they want to blow their shit up i dont care. Ive put a few of my female friends in their place during arguments but they still go off to fuck other dudes so maybe i didnt do it "man" enough.

Or they are the ones who are mentally ill and they are going after other guys because of SSRIs and birth control. Because i have friends who are women, women at my job talk to me, its just none of them want to be with me or show any interest at all. I also wear deodorant and colognes so i doubt its a "you smell diseased" thing.

>>81846964
Whats funny about getting muscles is that even if that gets you a gf or whatever you had to bust that much ass to be equal to a fat guy or a 5'4 pedro dude

>>81846932
I think there's something for young love and pair bonding too. And he'll probably even sunk cost fallacy keeping ppl together. Like I got a chubby balding buddy with a hs gf wife. They never fuck, she's a bitch constantly. When they go on trips she sightsees alone. She occasionally fucks other men. But it's not a relationship imo. They don't even have kids, just a dog the guy looks after that's his pride and joy.

>>81846357
gigacope

dick size MATTERS TO WOMEN.

anything below 4 is unbearable to them. they look at us with inferiority and WILL DEFINITELY CHEAT.

>>81846526
lol, im in that sub reddit.

its literally ropefuel, lol i was so depressive last year when i resd that shit for the first time

>>81847002
Again ill have to see if this happens with them. I might have missed out permanently on young love and even the idea of love is extremely alien to me but at least ill miss out on whatever that type of relationship is. Or it could be like my parents and their friends relationships where they all stay together since college or high school even and care about each other and i was just filtered heavily due to bad choices and bad fate.

>>81847020
If you can even get a woman in bed you are already far ahead of me. If i got one in bed and she thought i was small i would just shrug and let her leave. Oh well, ill go find another one, because if i did it once i can probably do it again. Its on the lower end of importance imo, like the last stage of shittest passing, you fucked her, you won. She left? Cool, she cant undo that body.

>>81845837 (OP)
>Anyone else here feel like the black pill isnt dark enough?
I can help you there, I think this is as far as it can possibly go

>>81847046
So what do you think? Are we living with a superorganic, externalized autoimmune disease that can't possibly perceive men as their own people because of mammalian biology?

>>81847001
>I also wear deodorant and colognes so i doubt its a "you smell diseased" thing.
This doesn't matter. Pheromones are natural perfumes your body exerts. its not well known knowledge that humans also have pheromones. its widely understood and recognized in the animal kingdom.

Its not something you can control or detect naturally. Its entirely based on your health and genetics. Think of it as public hormones. Hormones control your emotional state and behavior. side note: it is possible somewhat to manipulate your own hormone production to a degree with just your mind and actions. Well pheromones are like public hormones you release into the air. These pheromones unconsciously effect your perception of other people and your behavior towards them the same way your hormones do.

I'm just speculating but maybe incels just have bad pheromones. All it takes is one invisible force and suddenly two men doing the exact same action are viewed entirely differently for that same action. Like normal attraction but on a invisible subconscious level.

If true this explains the huge frustration many incels have. it literally feels like some invisible force is holding them back because it is. No matter how much they replicate chad, there is something unconsciously off about them.

>>81847046
>>81847064
This is nuts, ill have to look more into it

>>81847107
This is an interesting theory, that its not face, height, whatever(which in my personal life seems to be all over the fucking place as far as dating goes) but that incels have bad or mutated pheromones. This would fit a bit more into my theory on why some guys who are ugly and out of shape succeed while others get the full brunt of the black pill and have never even kissed a girl

>>81847107
what i am confused about is how the pheromones cant be masked or hidden with cologne or something like that.

original.

Interesting, according to AI birth control makes women want to race mix.

>>81847158
I can believe that, it utterly fucks up women. I believe theres a strong possiblity the reason the incel numbers are so high is because of birth control being used so liberally in the US.

>>81847110
Go ahead, the circumstantial evidence adds up, but you'll never get an actual comprehensive study on this.
>the alloimmunologic response of the female body trying to destroy male fetal cells can be mapped to physical states in the brain
>repeated physical states in the brain do act as evolutionary pressure
>after a long enough evolutionary timeline the mammalian brain recognizes the male pregnancy as a disease and the male a product of it

You can actually observe the phenomenon indirectly:
>Studies show higher maternal immune activation in male vs. female pregnancies, with elevated cytokines linked to H-Y antigens. This is implicated in conditions like recurrent miscarriage, where anti-H-Y antibodies are more prevalent.
>Cytokines can cross the blood-brain barrier or send signals through nerves. They "talk" to brain areas like the amygdala, making you feel anxious, irritable, or even repelled by something or someone perceived as a threat.

This applies to ALL MAMMALS and all species that have the male carrying the "foreign" chromosome, if the male of the species isn't even blessed with variability or definitive maleness traits which helps them to protect themselves(i.e. the females are significantly stronger/bigger/more numerous) they are immediately killed after their genetic material is extracted(bees, praying mantises, spiders).

I believe male sexual dimorphic traits emerged not just because of environmental pressure, but to protect themselves from the female organism which, simply put, recognize them as a virus.

The telltale sign is the reversed system in birds, where the female carries the foreign material (ZW/ZZ), there's absolutely no hostility or avoidance by the males because their immune system never interacted with the "foreign" material, so they can pair bond effortlessly.
>15% of avian species pair bond for life vs 3% of mammals
>all avian species are strictly monogamous during a nesting season, while mammals mostly just "hit and run"

>>81846276
Yeah I'm single and incel as fuck.
Facial asymmetry is damning.

>>81845894
Give it time, it'll come around and collect.

>>81845837 (OP)
The blackpill is about looks and being attractive. You don't become attractive by working out, you don't become attractive by feeling superior to oofy doofy. If you want a girl all you have to do is talk to them and state your case. All oofy doofies do it and yet they don't become attractive.

>>81847239
if you keep this thread bumped for 3-4 hours, I'll keep posting because I have a lot more to say, especially about the social implications and how this can be observed in:
>female language
>female morality being defined around the "virtue" of simply being female
>gatekeeping "womanhood" while men couldn't give a fuck about gatekeeping "manhood"
>men going to extreme lengths to seek female acceptance(troons)
>et cetera

>>81846964
I work out a lot and I dont gain from it or get any better. Genetics matters probably. I am not even typical skinnyfat im skinny everywhere except a pouch on my belly i cant seem to lose. I'm 6'2 200lb. Still virgin in my 30s. I had some gfs when i was in college but never laid just naked foreplays that dont count as sex

>>81847183
that's just one aspect of it, now do a research on what you personally consume by women pissing all those pills into the water supply

>>81845837 (OP)
you should probably consider killing yourself anon

>>81845837 (OP)
What country are you from anon? Do you live in a big city? Maybe it's a cultural thing
What I noticed over the years is that most looks-mismatched couples tend to be low/low middle class type people, I went to uni and most of my friendcircle has an academic background and couples there tend to be more looksmatched

>>81847448
>female language
I don't know if any of you have noticed, but women very often communicated in patterns that highlighted this hypothesis. They very often refer to the "purity" of their chromosomes as a point of pride, I mean their main reddit sub is specifically named after it's arrangement. It's gone out of fashion and mostly pushed out of the mainstream away from prying eyes, but if you ever visited female exclusive online spaces such as ovarit and spinsters, you must have noticed that their insults very often point in this direction, calling you a chYmp, a mutant, a parasite, et cetera. They did not spell it out directly because most of them are probably not even aware of any of this, but they all had this underlying, inexplicable hatred that they couldn't clearly put their fingers on, the "female rage" they called it.
You people dismissed them as crazy and they might have been indeed crazy, but ultimately they just communicated how they felt, they were completely honest.

>>81846047
Yeah the reason 4chan incels can't get girlfriends is because they're actually too high-test and alpha for modern women to handle.

>>81847448
>female morality being defined around the "virtue" of simply being female
>gatekeeping "womanhood" while men couldn't give a fuck about gatekeeping "manhood"
These two are intertwined in many ways, and it's the extreme, zealous often clinically insane levels of in-group preference that women display and many people have pointed this out already, but they never explored the subject any further than that, they just shrugged it off or chalked it up to some evopsych mumbo jumbo about how women used to spend more time with women and those kinds of thing.
They never once put this into the context of mammalian behavior and never measured it up against organisms with different chromosomal arrangements. They never wanted to explore the bigger picture.

Let's start by looking at how the militant wing of females use their make-believe ideology to argue:
>rolling accusations, preference of oxytocin driven consensus over objective truth(a.k.a. the "standpoint theory", my opinions triumph your observations)
When you encounter accusations masked as arguments from females, you must understand that they're not meant to reach a conclusion. They're meant to keep you under siege. You have to understand that objective truth is something that you might care about, but they don't. It doesn't make them feel the way they want to feel. Your preference for empiricism and observable truth is the creation of your own psyche, your brain chemistry and it's not something that simply exists in the wild and for many people it is often overridden by pathos, which is nearly universal in women, they will categorically discard your arguments because they're not female opinions. It's not from "them", not from "their people" it's just gibberish, noise made by the foreign object and it evokes absolutely no feelings in them, it simply results in immune-like knee-jerk defensive reactions, such as the aforementioned accusations. It's reflex, instinct, your opinions are biologically filtered.

>>81845881
>If only you wouldn't talk about it, it probably wouldn't happen
This is magical thinking

>>81848631
>gatekeeping "womanhood" while men couldn't give a fuck about gatekeeping "manhood"
Moving on to the question of colonization, sex segregation and feminization.
For this, I want you look at it through the lens of the externalized immune system theory.
You must have noticed by now that there's a dual strategy involved when women handle social spaces. They absolutely reject and abhor and viciously fight against "contamination" when it comes to their own spaces, but they don't actually stop there, YOUR space is also perceived as a contamination that must be infiltrated, neutralized and eventually erased. It's not enough to have their segregated spaces, the idea of you having yours is unacceptable because it might act against as a defense mechanism against their collective action, their biologically wired mission to erase the foreign object and everything they perceive as the extension of it. The girl scouts MUST remain, but the boy scouts MUST be erased to prevent male bonding and brotherhood, the kryptonite of the female, the externalized autoimmune disease, the rust that's consuming all of human society.

In the next post, I will cover what they couldn't clearly define up until this day but I can tell you exactly what it is, the ultimate, perceived extension of the genetically abhorred male, "the patriarchy".

>>81848846
>patriarchy
To understand what women mean by this, despite their inability to clearly define it, you have to first understand what society is and how the most primitive forms of it came into existence.

When you break it down to it's fundamentals, it's basically the males of a highly developed species of mammals capitalizing on their blessing of greater variability and dimorphic male traits and their cognitive functions(which separated them from other mammals) to reach an agreement. It was an agreement between males, they shook hands and decided that they are better off working together and completely disregarded the female's nature because at that point it, they couldn't clearly understand it and it was of no consequence anyway because men were just stronger and had a much larger cohort of specimens that would rate as above average on the IQ bell curve, they simply ended up being superior despite the female body trying to destroy them in the womb, there's no other way to put it.

From the female perspective, this was suffocating. The mammal female abhors male presence outside of their ovulation period and now they were forced to comply with what they hate the most, the "foreign object" the "parasite" that leeched off their wombs only to end up ruling over them through sheer superiority. They CAN NOT perceive this as a deal, a trade-off, because it simply does not align with their mammalian female nature.

From that point onward, they were trapped in this ever-evolving extension of the male and there was nothing they could do about it. The system itself is the male, you not living in the evolutionary stage that aligns with their nature is the patriarchy. It absolutely doesn't matter how much you concede, how much you give them, they will remain hostile forever because they perceive the entirety of it as the extension of the male that their bodies taught them to abhor outside of the basic necessity of continuity(reproduction during the ovulation phase).

>>81845837 (OP)
you are probably not spending enough time hanging out with girls. everyone i know has a girlfriend or a wife, it's not that complicated.

>>81848689
The irony of you retardation is that feminists talk exactly like incels except they talk about male privilege and how women are objectified and have a much harder life doing anything. The influence of "talking" is much more real than anything the blackpill has claimed. There are actual people living today who believe the divorce rate is high and that it affects their own chances of a successful marriage. That isn't just "magical" thinking, it's peak brainwashed thinking.

>>81849034
To add to this:
Note how often women are "nature aligned" and how they see themselves as "nature", how they seek escapism into these types of beliefs. How so many of them abhor technology, "techbros", how they perceive the masses of the male foreign object as NPCs because they are parts of the all-encompassing system that "enslaved" them by rising above their inherently hostile mammalian chromosomal arrangement that would have never, ever allowed to humans to rise above the existence of a tournament mating animal living most of it's life in male exile or endless competition.

That's the summary of it, I hope it makes sense. There's more to it and I will keep fleshing out this subject, but that's enough for now.

Women abhor everything that you are on a genetic level, it's as simple as that.

a lot of autists keep making this mistake. they see some guy, ignore his good masculine facial features, and then start to add up points, like in a videogame "he's not tall, he's balding, he doesn't have a six pack, he doesn't even know how to program, and doesn't even watch good series!"

that doesn't matter. in life, the whole is bigger than the sum of the parts. notice how OP describe how he sleeps around, meaning hes actually attractive to women, so at least he has good facial features, something the black pill has defended for a long time, that face > everything.

>>81845837 (OP)
Indeed, you are on the correct path. The blackpill is not a conclusion, but merely a logical beginning: the conclusion of the blackpill is the rapepill. You have been put on this world by GOD to punish those who deserve it. Incels are the rightful scourges of GOD. Rape, sedition and destruction are the incel's duty.

>>81849577
hello fembot

>>81845837 (OP)
you know what's darker? all this is just luck and chance. it's not divine wrath. that's even scarier. because you can't rationalize it.

>>81845875
Getting an actual gf and living with her and getting married and then having children with her is the biggest, darkest, grimmest blackpill imaginable.

>>81849630
No, because if it is luck then it is just a numbers game, and if you ask out enough roasties you will get lucky eventually. The fact of the matter is there isn't even luck involved, God himself is cockblocking you, there is a sinister intelligence behind your lack of pussy and no matter what you do you will never get it because God will literally move mountains to prevent it from happening.

>>81849718
>No, because if it is luck then it is just a numbers game, and if you ask out enough roasties you will get lucky eventually.
Wrong. You lost the initial roll so you don't even get to roll the dice with them.

>>81849718
>No, because if it is luck then it is just a numbers game, and if you ask out enough roasties you will get lucky eventually.
that's not how luck works. it's not dependent on your actions, that's kind of the point.

>>81845837 (OP)
>Every dating site confirms BP
>Every online chat site confirms BP
>Every college campus confirms BP
BUT MUH OUTLIERS!!!

>>81849057
>everyone i know has a girlfriend or a wife
that's fine, but the statistics don't agree with your personal experience

>>81850406
>statistically globally most people are in poverty
but most people I know can get clean drinking water and food on a regular basis and go on trips and other luxury things often
>nah they are all in poverty everyone besides the 1% are in poverty stats prove it

Just saying when I see dudes who are doing worse than me still getting girls it makes me question things. Especially if, and this is something you guys seem to dance around, if they are being used I am seen as so worthless they can't and won't even use me.

>>81849057
No I am, and that's the problem. I meet guys who have objectively less going for them and they still aren't going decades alone. True inceldom, true loneliness, is very rare at least where I live. I've yet to meet a guy who hasn't dated at least once or twice in their life. The fact every single woman has said "nah" to me is fucking insane. You know how hard it is to get 100 people to agree on anything? You know how bad you have to be have rape and abuse be picked over you? It's why I say I have to be a walking abomination

>>81849088
>notice how OP describe how he sleeps around, meaning hes actually attractive to women, so at least he has good facial features

It's hidden under fat though

>>81849084
>Women abhor everything that you are on a genetic level, it's as simple as that.

Ive always felt this but never had any of the evidence or reasoning behind it. Even with attractive guys i feel they see them as disposable. This makes sense on why every single society on earth that prospered made sure women did not have rights. Its literally required to have a functioning society if you have 50% of it that hates you and views you as a virus when they arent being actively subjugated. Thanks for posting all of that it was an insane read.

> It is a divine wrath, a punishment from God.
True. But it's our burden to bear.
Look on the bright side, it could be WAY worse. Like you could be born a deformed indian, or some ugly middle eastern woman who only knows rape, beatings, and giving birth to some goatfuckers spawn.

>>81850638
>True. But it's our burden to bear.
does it have to be though?

>>81850638
>Look on the bright side, it could be WAY worse. Like you could be born a deformed indian

Would your life change at all though? If you arent getting women or respect anyways how would being a deformed indian really change anything? If you are cursed like this your soul is basically a deformed Indian when you think about it.

>some ugly middle eastern woman who only knows rape, beatings, and giving birth to some goatfuckers spawn.

You could argue being left to die alone is the opposite side of the coin of this. One is more active punishment, but you at least get sympathy. You at least get told "it wasnt your fault, it was the circumstances you were put in" while as a man in our situation you get told everything is always your fault forever and ever all the time and the fact you havent got anything that even the dumbest and ugliest dudes got means you are a failure on every single level. Playing devils advocate here.

>>81850555
You know what's funny about all this? You could bring a radical feminist in here and she would very likely agree with me, only from a different perspective.

She would argue that they never wanted any of this and they were dragged along and forced into an evolutionary timeline that doesn't feel right for them. Of course she wouldn't spell out that it's their flaw, she wouldn't even admit that it's a flaw that their mammal nature yearns to rubberband back into the stone age, but she would agree that they can not, under any circumstance, be at peace with men and it's something that comes from deep down not because of actual lived experience.

They even go as far as to make up mythology around this shit to fabricate some sort of moral high ground on their end, the female mystique garbage, the divine feminine, the mockery of you being "incomplete", a mutant, those kinds of things, but all that aside, they will agree that this conflict goes way beyond things that happened to them, it's primal instinct and they won't even deny that.

The only people who categorically reject this idea without even exploring the patterns are men who can't cope with the idea that their romanticized idea of an "other half" might simply not exist.

>women did not have rights.
>Its literally required to have a functioning society
The problem is that this never lasts because the natural resentment is one-sided.

Men eventually become sympathetic to women because they never had any evolutionary pressure to contain this, they never actually fought women, they never had foreign female cells in their bodies that their immune systems recognized as foreign so they never developed this kind of underlying, inexplicable pathological hatred.

It's always the same cycle over and over again, they break free of containment and the superorganic autoimmune disease gets to work until it's met by yet another patriarchal revival, not even to defend themselves, but to "save women from themselves".

>>81845994
>just get fat, retards
Nice try fem feeder, I won't indulge in your fetish.

>>81846071
Not being an autistic spud seriously goes a long way in that kind of thing.

>>81851250
I know three guys with diagnosed aspergers who have wives. I think not being a total whiny bitch when you are a late teen to early 20s goes further. Passed 25 you are FUCKED

>>81851312
>I know three guys who ...

>>81848631
>It's not from "them", not from "their people" it's just gibberish, noise made by the foreign object and it evokes absolutely no feelings in them
This is what the term 'mansplaining' alludes to.
Reason and rationality is masculine. They don't care what reason you have to arrive at the conclusion you did. As far as she feels it's just masculine gibberish trying to override her feelings.

>>81845837 (OP)

The 40% of men that were able to pass on their genetic material doesn't really get talked about enough. If women only desire 10-20% of men at most, how were 40% of men able to pass on their genetic material?

The idea of "winning" in war and taking women as your war brides was a common recruiting tactic for a lot of ancient armies. Lots of men only have descendants because of forced copulation.

>>81850457
Get a homeless girl who has no choice but to be dependent on you, or go grab one from the philippines like I did who will have a 10+ partner count

the blackpill is stupid for this exact reason, looks genuinely aren't everything to women. You idiots are just too autistic to realize that you can't keep up with the social game it takes to get a gf or hook up with someone. Instead you HAD to make a stupid theory about looks and blah blah blah. In actuality there's been a shift in culture to where you have to put a lot more effort in and be somewhat socially talented to get a gf. The people who can't will be excluded from the gene pool. It's only natural. The OG BPiller realized that if you get attractive enough autism doesn't matter. But the same thing goes in the opposite direction, if you're charismatic enough your looks don't really matter, unless you're like sub3, which is almost always a personal deficit. Not necessarily a genetic one.

>>81850892
With your theory, how does love with women fit in? If they view all men as a virus why would they then at times becomes obsessed with said virus? Ive seen women lose their shit over some guys. Is it just brainwashing

>>81852583
I agree but only if you are under 25. Young women don't do age gaps at fucking all and if you aren't social by I'd even say 21 it's fucking done. Every below average dude I've known who has a gf got one at that age. I don't know any that are older. Don't piss away your youth and hope you didn't spend your formative years online

>>81846200

The woman you posted in that pic is a 4 but could easily hook up with a 7 or 8 male because her ass is fat. Women need very few things to be desirable sexually vs a man.

>>81852879
Just don't be fat. That's the only metric for women. Just don't be fat for the love of God. You can be an annoying cunt but the moment you become fat your attractiveness drops 6 points every 10 bmi over healthy(18.5-25)

>>81852822
>how does love with women fit in
I don't think they love them the way you understand love. Even Chad or any other quirky specimen they single out are novelty items with a shelf life, they aren't exempt from the compulsory partner disposal process, the devaluation phase.
The only genuine feeling there is something akin to being validated by the love of an impressive specimen.
They want to be loved and admired by Chad, they don't actually admire him or love him in a sacrificial kind of way. I don't want to get too philosophical because it's not my thing, but greeks had a few different words for different kinds of love. Chad isn't a recipient of agape, the unconditional, selfless love that's for fucking sure.

Attractive couples have similar or even higher partner disposal rates, both divorce and breakup, (initiated mostly by women of course), so in my opinion, ultimately, Chad is either an impressive male that fulfills their need of this autogynephilic self-love and self-validation or simply serves as a fashion accessory, a large dog of noble breed they can walk around and impress their female circle with. He's not exempt from any of this, he can fuck women all day, he can get into relationships but he's still never going to be perceived by women as "us". Chad is just another foreign object except with more value, but it doesn't last.
You people should see what a female can do to Chad, it truly is a humbling experience, even as a bystander.

>If they view all men as a virus
Well, "view" would imply that it's something conscious, most women aren't even aware of this and those that are don't discuss this or share their feelings about it and those that actually do, usually do it away from prying eyes.

You have to dig kinda deep to find some honesty on this subject. You should only do that if you have the mental fortitude for this kind of shit and I mean that. It's worse for your mental health than probably any other activity, except for extreme drug abuse.

>>81845837 (OP)
>artificial selection occurs
>normies: NATURAL SELECTION I AM THE BEST I AM THE FITTEST AAAGGHHHHH

>>81853362
I've always had suspicions of this stuff. It just makes the world very lonely and unfulfilling since growing up being with a woman was what I wanted. I fantasized and dreamed about it all the way back to like 1st grade. But as I got older I really realized how bad it was and how low my chances of achieving that fantasy is. I haven't found a fix. Sure I can pick up a desperate girl like >>81852577 suggests but they still won't care about me. Escorts are even emptier. So what's the next path? Logically religion or spirituality but even that doesn't seem to fill the hole for me.

>>81853399
I always laugh at those types of normies. Like yeah, you're all for that in an artifical unnatural system where the ugly guy gets thrown away for some other dude who is a man child or whatever the fuck but if they realized my own singleness could be solved by killing a girls bf with a brick while he sleeps and then dragging her back to my hut or whatever suddenly they wouldn't support it. Your man can be big, but there's a lot of single guys out there and he's not bullet proof. And when we get ahold of that woman she won't be able to say no to fucking a thing unless she wants to die brutally. That is caveman shit but it's the type of shit normies like this are accidentally advocating for

there are certain humans who are cursed (or blessed) by some divine creature
normals can sense this curse and avoid you, no matter how good looking you are

>>81853423
>So what's the next path?
You can live, it's not the end of everything. Maybe life just isn't the grand adventure that the entertainment industry force-fed you since you were a kid.

There's no written record of pre-historic times, but still, consider this:
Do you think the idea of genuine female affection and companionship is something that our wild, but intelligent ancestors actually considered a real thing and yearned for, or was it something invented over time by decadent aristocracy?

Is it an itch that we've always had or is it an itch that we have developed along the way, like a drug addiction?

I don't think there's a definitive answer to this, but it's something to think about.

>>81853515
I do wonder if I did piss off some higher entity or something because when I was younger, like mid teens, I did get attention from girls but the older I get the less and less I get. It's almost comedic at this point. What I get for fucking around with magic when I was younger lol

>>81853540
I think in the past people had physical touch from others on a regular basis in their tribe, and if they didn't they took it by force. That's why people get depressed when they are alone for too long. It's why prisoners go gay. That pain is a million years of evolution telling you you were abandoned by everyone around you and left to die. I do think though it's like a drug addiction we are all born with. I'll never understand why an intelligent God would make this a thing for men other than to cause pain to those that are deemed unworthy of love. If you believe in the Christian God there's beliefs that all love comes from him. But I think on the flip side he can shut the valve off. If love is god, and lack of God is hell, then shutting off love is putting a mortal hell before they even die. Brutal punishment and something that prevents salvation or redemption.

>>81853656
I'm not religious so I can't really say anything to that.

>>81853656
By the way, you missed a very important part.
>I think in the past people had physical touch from others on a regular basis in their tribe
I wasn't talking about touch, or sexual relief, but this whole idealized version of their female "other half".

I honestly don't think that was a thing when we were still pure and didn't have ideologies polluting our minds. I think they just did the deed and went back to work. I don't think even peasants from recent history spent much time romanticizing what their wives are, they just fucked them when they had to and/or when the woman was in heat and that's it, the female went back to resentfully tolerating the husband's presence because she had no alternatives and the husband went back to tilling dirt or whatever the fuck they did back then.

>>81852583
>personal deficit. Not necessarily a genetic one.
Most of your behavior is defined by genetics though. You can't just grow a personality.

>>81849718
>if you ask out enough roasties you will get lucky eventually
It is astronomically unlikely, but still possible, to roll a dice a billion times without ever rolling a six. Life is short, you don't have infinite rolls.

>>81845837 (OP)
It's really difficult to synthesize why occurences like fat guys with cute girlfriends exist. Barring any stupid excuses like feeder fetishes, riches or other outlier scenarios.

These things happen because the average person, especially people without prominent social media footprint dont have as much social exposure as you'd expect. There's probably around 20 dateable people in all your social circles and their extended tentacles.
Women that end up in these relationships aren't very preoccupied with leveraging their advantage and just go along with the flow. They might not even be very sexual beings, due to being on pill.
The problem is you cannot replicate this. You cannot slip into social circles that contain these women and leverage the information gap on them at the precise time they're single. If it was possible dating apps wouldn't exist and you wouldn't have to embarass yourself with bars, clubs and other lame social events.
Breaking the barrier to getting to know a woman is also extremely difficult unless youre really good looking yourself. They prefer social proof, preselected men and something safe enough to engage with
Cold approaching, dating apps and the whole bar scene feels like a homosexual courting tactic that trickled into the mainstream with all the degeneracy.

>>81854901
This is basically why I say if you haven't found someone by the oldest, 25, you are fucked more than you can possibly know. Girls that don't know their value get rarer and rarer each day and with covid forcing more people online who usually wouldn't be and age gaps being heavily demonized there isn't any time to make it up. Either you got it, or you'll never have it again.

>>81852413
>If women only desire 10-20% of men at most
That is just a number some men use to justify their inability to get sex.

>>81854767
Personality in the sense of what you're interested in really doesn't matter much.Behavior is now much more important