Thread 81877142

Whatever happened to "nice guys"/gentlesirs? I never hear about them anymore

>>81877142 (OP)
They transitioned into full-blown mask-off incels

>>81877142 (OP)
incels, trooned out or became totally whipped

>>81877142 (OP)
There were some autists that used to lash out after finding out that being a good person doesn't attract women. But since those times this has become something that's generally known and perpetuated throughout the internet, so guys have more chances to learn and become de-indoctrinated from Disney movie lies. Also, this problem has been overblown by feminists (as demonstrated in that "Radicalizing The Romanceless" piece), who had an interest in trying to coverup the fact that ethics are tangential to women's attraction. They tried to portray moral men who women don't consider attractive as actually being evil and only pretending to be good to trick women into fucking them, and they took those men immaturely lashing out after being rejected as proof of this thesis.

>>81877142 (OP)
Being "nice" was never it. Being kind to people who deserve it is.

>>81877142 (OP)
Like most of these archetypes, they were made fun of so thoroughly that even the most neckbeardly of atheist m'sirs finally reached self-awareness of their appearance and behavior.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JM1Of_OBUjw

>>81877142 (OP)
they still exist, the word now is 'simp'

>>81877374
That was such a trash song, what the fuck. Is this really what zoomers listen to?

>>81877142 (OP)
simps / blue pilled

>>81877411
It's a very niche artist and not very famous, and I don't think zoomers know about her. To be fair you need a pretty extensive knowledge of and acclimatization to esoteric pop music to enjoy it, so you are not necessarily in the wrong for disliking it.

>>81877424
That's what passes as a "woman" nowadays? Yikes

>>81877142 (OP)
Unironically this is how it works for chads, but they do not have to demand it once their card of points get filled.

We stopped being nice to you, because you told us you didn't want it. It was "creepy" etc.
You made your bed. Lie in it.

>>81877142 (OP)
>>81877374
"Nice guys" never existed in the first place.

An awkward teenage boy does what he has been told by the media and society to approach a girl he likes, try to talk to them, befriend them, bring them flowers and chocolate, and gets rejected. He then sees them with the more socially well adjusted boys even though they are tribalistic, judgmental and habitually mean to everyone outside their close knit group as teenagers are.

So he makes a simple observation "why do these girls date these guys when they're so awful" and talks about it on the internet. Other people read this, usually the same tribalistic n*rmies with their derision for nerdy awkward boys, and stretch it into "I am entitled to sex because I bought them chocolate". It is malicious, they start with the fact they hate these boys, then nitpick every tiny thing they say and attribute every terrible quality they can to them, the exact same sort of behavior as said tribalistic teenagers when some nerd sits next to them in class or whatever.

The answer of course is obvious, women date who they find attractive and morality has little to do with it, to be fair men do the same, chasing instagram thots instead of taking the fat girl to comicon. But of course society was never going to give these boys the real answers. They will either lambast them and hate them like r*ddit or they will exploit their fears like /r/incels.

>>81877730
>chasing instagram thots instead of taking the fat girl to comicon
the fat girl will lose weight and upgrade to somebody else. also
>implying you'll be the hottest person at comicon
geek girls congregate around the top males in their subculture, just like all other women

>>81877730
I actually was very nice growing up. It was something I had to un-learn, because I would try my hardest to see good in people who don't deserve it, and try to make friends with people I ought to have just punched in the face.
I would get upset on other people's behalf if I heard someone say something racist or sexist. I was a right little dweeb, basically.

>>81877142 (OP)
the slur of "nice guy", aka labelling decent moral people as "you're just doing it for sex, and kindness/generosity is what we're all entitled to" is something that could only exist in 2025 retarded western world

>>81877730
Who the fuck made this delusional fantasy bullshit

Kindness is a virtue you only appreciate when its gone.

>>81877142 (OP)
Basically so much hatred from women towards men who tried to treat them decently led to men not doing it anymore.

>>81877142 (OP)
We all realized we have to beat you to keep you, the ones that didnt got laughed off

https://thoughtcatalog.com/anonymous/2014/04/dear-nice-guy-i-wasnt-ready-for-you-before-but-i-am-now/

Lol some cumtoilet actually wrote this unironically thinking that it would sound sweet.

>>81877142 (OP)
be nice with a woman who is suspicious of all men and the parts of yourself responsible for care, empathy, and goodwill towards others will die. open up about any problems you had and it will be handwaved because she's a woman and you having a problem with x at all means you were always secretly manipulative. it's not worth even interacting with people in a platonic way. i refuse to add to other people's lives anymore.

>>81877458
...she's unfortunately quite strikingly beautiful but she is (was) indeed a Jewish FtM pooner

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLnVLo6uxqo

>>81877142 (OP)
The funny thing is instead of using niceness as currency you can just use actual currency or things that are worth currency like resources and that is in fact how sex works. Women are whores with extra steps after all.

>>81878220
idk man you should probably quit the estrogen and try to develop some taste

>>81878162
>I'm ready to settle down now
Like clockwork

>>81878220
I didn't even know you could post a worse song than before. This is ear rape

>>81878318
Ok, here is a recent song of hers that you cannot possibly dislike.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Facsm0cRVFI

>>81878342
That's better but it's still garbage

>>81878377
It is comedy music! Very Jewish, see?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InwwkaoUBeg

>>81877142 (OP)
>Whatever happened to "nice guys"/gentlesirs? I never hear about them anymore
we just don't interact with women anymore after we learned they don't like us

>>81877730
There really does seem to be a certain type of shy, awkward male that gets shit on relentlessly by everyone just for existing.
Point that out and people get irate and grasp for a reason but none of them really make sense. When I'm around leftoids they get irate about me being a toxic entitled male. When I'm around rightoids they get irate about me not trying to fit some gigachad archetype. Like holy fuck what is so wrong about being a beta male.

Literally the only group that treats me nicely are the troons and it's because they think I'm in the closet.

>>81877142 (OP)
last "nice guy" tried to rape me and then a bystander shot them to death

>>81877142 (OP)
"Nice Guys" we're never real, it was just a straw man that women invented to deflect criticism against them for being horny for degenerate men.

>>81877730
>The answer of course is obvious, women date who they find attractive and morality has little to do with it
It plays a part, but like with any human they care more about what they find attractive first. Like most people will want a good person in their life but if they don't find said good person attractive it's unlikely going to work out because without the attraction it's just having a friend.

>>81878484
>using the word "irate" unironically
It's not 1940 anymore gramps

>>81878484
>There really does seem to be a certain type of shy, awkward male that gets shit on relentlessly by everyone just for existing

if you are a shy, awkward person I doubt most even know you are there or even engage with you.

>>81878524
Looking over the history seems the term was guys mocking other guys like that. Likely because "he's a nice guy" was the loaded term that would set off many a "nice guy" now incel? Holy shit did women take that term and run with it, they absolutely had a banger of a time to set low status men to flying rage. "Nice guy" implies some sense of value, "incel" is just saying the quite part out loud: That nobody wants you.
And that's why the term "nice guy" left, people got more honest.

>>81877142 (OP)
women dont reward good men
they reward you being an ass
if a nice guy was just shitty from the rip, hed be drowning in pussy

>>81877142 (OP)
idk, i wasn't ever a "nice guy" in that i ever had ulterior motives for sex. women just aren't interesting enough for that lmao. but those who did either evolved/got their game up and became pretentious spiritual/intellectual guys (white guys who listen to tupac, say brotha, and "hey, not cool man" you when you say retard) or they chimped out and became basement dwellers.

>>81878593
former is picrel. it's basically the same as early 2010s hipster but even more lacking in presence

>>81878593
Hit the gym bro
Get a haircut
Stop eating sugar
Dress better
Stop living in your mom's basement
ggez

>>81878162
>2014
Wonder how she's doing now

>>81878508
Based bystander

>>81878591
I realized this when I was about 16 and started being a dick intentionally and amazingly, women started liking me more. At the time one of the moves was to replace the compulsive canadian style "sorry" with "deal with it" and this simple substitution made women respond to me dramatically better. It sounds insane, but it is true.

>>81878508
Fuck that bystander. Let it happen next time

As with most cultural problems today it was the result of irresponsible social engineering applied by ideologues with very little consideration to what would actually happen. The "nice guy" of the 2000's was a male psyopped during the 3rd wave feminist years where women had deemed raising boys traditionally as "toxic masculinity" and started mass conditioning and mass drugging young males for not acting obediently. They were disempowered at every turn.

As a result these men internalized that passivity and obedience were how one was rewarded in society through their schooling and when they reached adulthood they faced crippling confusion and disillusionment when this behavior netted them the lowest rung of the social ladder. They felt betrayed and lied to and a bitterness arose in a lot of them. That's why the "nice" guy seems two-faced. There's his conditioning to be "nice" but on the inside he's angry and frustrated all the time.

Ironically the delinquents ended up better off than the obedient boys because they understood that a man does not get ahead by being weak and passive. He gets ahead by being strong, assertive, and clever. In rebelling against feminist "education" these boys managed to raise themselves despite a system wholly geared against them.

tl;dr masculinity was attacked and boys were psyopped to be weak faggots and it resulted in a generation of profoundly unhappy people, both men and women.

>>81877730
This is one of the dumbest fucking comics ever and whoever made the original, the first edit, the second edit, etc. should be sent out back and shot.

>>81879342

It's a man telling on himself.

>>81877142 (OP)
"Nice guys" were a millennial archetype. They grew up. They eventually got in a polycule with a landwhale. Either that or they married a troon. Zoomers were exposed to too many cringe compilations of nice guys to become nice guys. Undesirable zoomer men either become blackpilled incels or troons.

>>81877142 (OP)
>be me
>former nice guy
>actually talk to women
>no longer a nice guy
i refuse to be pussywhipped

>>81877142 (OP)
They got mocked into oblivion and either doubled down on the woman worshiping aspect (numales, cucks, simps) or gave into their fury against women and the world (incels).

>>81878591
>>81878876

They don't reward you being an ass-they respond to a male that shows strength. Regardless of any societal conditioning women hate weak and passive males on a primal level. By standing up to women and having a backbone women will always respond more positively to you.

It's the lesson feminist education tried to strip away from boys because it sought to disrupt and destroy any power dynamic favorable to men. But it neglected to consider that weak pathetic men make pussy dry up.

>>81879457
>they don't reward you being an ass
>they reward [list of behaviors that are asshole-like]
You are right in the sense that "assholes" in the sense that women like tend to be men who stand up for themselves, ignore rules or laws, etc etc. All the normal shit. The issue is just one of definitions. When I say "being a dick" I don't mean being a smarmy, deceitful worm of a man even though that guy is probably a dick also. I mean being openly aggressive, not backing down, etc. What I thought of as the kind of "asshole" women like instead of "nice guys like me" at the time.

>>81879496

Yeah I get you. A man can be aggressive and assertive without being a brute or a criminal. In fact society desperately needs these men to defend it and keep order.

It wasn't a real dunamic on the scale it was made out to be. It was just another of the many stratagems women use to ensure losers never win. If you are friends with a woman and you make a romantic effort, you're a piece of shit because you just wanted sex all along - you developed romantic feelings for her after growing closer? Too bad, you're a fucking creep, fuck you.

>>81879553
You are right that it's just women shitting on losers but this is also cope. HUGE MAJORITY of times these guys were "friends" with women it was some long game keikaku shit where they knew they would get rejected for dating outright, but maybe if I get her talking to me first, she'll like me for who I really am, and we can be in love. A "foot in the door" kind of strategy.

>>81879577
Yeah, I guess it should be obvious that you can't "invest" your way into a relationship, but it's an idea that's had a lot of adherents at times. I guess it's just a beta male attempt at rejecting conventional sexual selection approaches that do work, but that he doesn't have the traits for.

>>81877142 (OP)
Self-identifying as a 'nice guy' is now tantamount to self-identifying as a neo-Nazi.

>>81879638
The Nazi Memory is literally untaintable, only solely good words can ever be spoken of them. Go ahead, try it, use any normal comment about the Nazis and tell me it is not a compliment.

>>81879648
Autistics or "work shy" men were sent to the camps. NEETing did not exist. Wait you're right, I do like that

>>81879648
I'm not doing that in a space that is biased in favor of Nazism (even if ostensibly).

>>81879671
>Autistics or "work shy" men were sent to the camps. NEETing did not exist. Wait you're right, I do like that
You see? So, almost no one would be like that, because they have that culture
You literally can't say 1 bad thing about them

>>81879680
"I hate jews because they make servants insubordinate"? What in the flying fuck could this possibly be referring to

>>81879696
>"I hate jews because they make servants insubordinate"
This is like the exact polar vertical perfect opposite of why people hate jews. Why the fuck does this sentence exist? Who could have written that???

>>81879704
Antisemites used to be guys who HAD servants and blamed jews for making the servants act up. Now the guys who hate jews are the servant class

>>81879984
>Antisemites used to be guys who HAD servants and blamed jews for making the servants act up.
Ok, I get that that's what the sentence means, but this has literally never happened and has never been named as the reason for why people hate jews, and probably has not even been brought up as a topic ever because it is so absurd and so far detached from reality. People hate jews because they own the banks, bribe, extort, and install corrupt politcians, force them to loan money from their banks, print money and inflate the economy, and write laws to make you pay the interest on the loans, use their infinite money slavery glitch to finance the importation of foreigners who hate you, use their total ownership of the media to manipulate and demoralize you, and reasons like that. Not "making servants insubordinate," that was never mentioned.

>>81877142 (OP)
they became mean instead
hope you're happy with that foids

>>81878484
That type of male triggers cognitive dissonance in women. There's objectively nothing wrong with him, in fact he's a pretty good guy by most standards, and they know it. But they're still not attracted to him. And that's a strange, uncomfortable feeling when your emotions don't line up with your mind. So they have to fish and invent some reason to hate him so they can justify their emotions.

I didn't really get it until I went on a date with a fat ugly woman. She was cool and friendly, we actually had a lot in common, so I tried to force myself to like her, but I just couldn't. And I felt really weird until I realized that I am also just a shallow mammal who cares more about looks than personality.

They became whiny incels crying about how much they suffer in silence and other oxymorons

>>81878484
>>81880154
also "shy, awkward" isn't some permanent trait, it's just the result of a lifetime of failure in trying to pull women. The same guys who are "just naturally shy and awkward" will be perfectly confident in talking about school, work, hobbies, etc or anything else where they have experienced success. It's natural to "cringe" when you are expecting to get hurt.

Like, imagine taking a kid who has only played t-ball, and forcing him to bat against a pro baseball pitcher. The pro doesn't go easy on him at all, just keeps hurling 100 mph fastballs on him and even throwing inside to freak him out. Of course the kid is going to shy away be scared of the ball. It would be stupid to blame the kid "oh you're just too shy, that's why you can't hit it." No, he obviously can't hit it because it's impossible for him, and that's what makes him shy.

>>81880312
>also "shy, awkward" isn't some permanent trait, it's just the result of a lifetime of failure in trying to pull women
You need to factor in neurodivergency.

>>81879680
Cool pilpul, HOWEVER

>>81879984
The peasants always hated bankers. During the Middle Ages, Jews commonly held positions in banking and tax collecting, something that, somehow, Jews manage to spin up into some kind of sob story: "Boo-hoo, the lords forced us into comfortable middle-class positions where we could legally bully and oppress the plebs with impunity, poor us!"

>>81877185
>full-blown mask-off incels
No basedjak can translate how i felt reading this

>>81879999
I think he and Sartre are referring to how people in the twentieth century (correctly) blamed the Jews for Bolshevism. But that had more to do with Bolsheviks killing millions of European Christians than with them making the peasants insubordinate.

>>81880871
Did you feel a bone-chilling, spine-tingling, genre defining, horror?

>>81877374
As nasty as it sounds, bullying is absolutely essential for developing social skills and better personalities.

>>81880921
or something to that effect, yeah

>>81879680
Sartre was a pedophile subhuman.

>>81878747
These are some normie truisms that only really tell you to live like an average person. The problem is that the average person now has less sex and is more miserable than ever before. So here's the actual true guide.
>Take TRT
Physique inflation means that, no matter how good your natty physique is, it's still shit.
>Get a hair transplant
Your haircut doesn't matter so long as you have a full head of hair.
>Just hit your macros and micros
Take a few multivitamins and track your protein intake. Refined sugar really isn't that bad for you, in fact, it's a good pre-workout.
>Signal status with watches, jewelry and snickers
Fashion is a meme. Just wear some gold.
>Keep living with your parents
In this current housing market, if you move out and start renting, you essentially become a slave for your landlord, who will take most of your paycheck every month. It's unironically cheaper to live with your parents while buying roids, jewelry, skincare products, a flight to Turkey, and a hair transplant surgery than it is to be a rentoid. You can then start saving money and wait for another housing market collapse to buy some land of your own.

>>81881023
>snickers
Sneakers* I need to go to sleep.

>>81880941
You are a disgustingly stupid person and genuinely deserve to die.

>>81881075
>You are a disgustingly stupid person and genuinely deserve to die.

Kek. Most of the bullied kids I knew brought it on themselves through terrible social skills that alienated others. Normal people alter their behaviour and conform to normal standards if they realise other people dont like what they do.

It sounds like you were not bullied hard enough as a kid.

>>81881075
Hes right tho. If neckbeards/weebs/incels/dweebs were bullied out of their fucking retard behaviour then we would not have the fucking hellish internet we have now.

If you think nice guys never existed you're probably a projecting sociopath.

>>81881287
NTA, but being bullied didn't teach me social skills, on the contrary, it turned me into quite the paranoid and anti-social person that responds violently at any perceived personal slight. Kinda like how hood niggas or prisoners are on edge all the time and always on the verge of crashing out.

>>81877142 (OP)
Feminists genocided most of them. For the crime of wanting a gf while not beong Chad.

The alpha fucks, beta bucks meme took care of the rest. In the past, a nice guy was happy to be sloppy seconds. Now men look at roasties for what they are: used up holes that made the wrong choices

>>81879256
This hits the nail on the head. 'Nice guys' were typically raised by single mothers and didn't have any other female family or friends to learn how women truly were. All they had to take was their mum's view on how women want to be treated.

Nowadays, social media shows young males how a lot of women act (i.e. brazen with their sexuality, and if they're not acting that way towards you, it means they're not interested), removing the allure and mystery. The manosphere has shown these truths too, for better or worse. In most cases, this can act as a surrogate male role model for boys raised by single mothers

>>81881287
meh you'll just get maladapted bitter people who want to kill you and sometimes they will, social darwinism in a polite society only leads to people chimping out.
this is why when there is a school shooting or massacre its pretty understandable why it happens

>>81878591
>if a nice guy was just shitty from the rip,

He be called an incel

>>81881294
Normgroids and corporations are the ones who shit up the internet by turning it into a walled garden extension of IRL. It was 1000x better back in the Wild West days when there was a much higher barrier to entry and most users were nerds/autists/outcasts (and white or East Asian).
t. boomer old enough to remember what the internet was like before smartphones, social media and thirdies

>>81877730
>An awkward teenage boy does what he has been told by the media and society to approach a girl he likes, try to talk to them, befriend them, bring them flowers and chocolate
Ffuck I did this in highschool

>>81881771
Isn't that what 4chan s back too though? With social media being free to say what you want only the most outliner types would want to post on a Anonymous board. That and maybe Brits if your laws are still so fucking stupid that you'll actually get jailed for wrong think.

>>81877730
>An awkward teenage boy does what he has been told by the media and society to approach a girl he likes, try to talk to them, befriend them, bring them flowers and chocolate

Can I get examples of this from media? Because I feel most of it did the opposite and told those types to get fucking good and stop giving a shit. At least that was western media. Hell their were whole movie series that made it clear the "befriend them" was a really bad idea.

Are you sure it's not just just bad mom's poisoning their sons minds? Because every friend I had that was that retarded as an orbiter with women had those types of moms that would convince them to be the nicest boy and rewarded them for weird ass shit growing up like cleaning their room.

>>81881790
Even with social media being a little less pozzed now that doesn't undo the rest of the changes brought about by normies and corporations and everyone walking around with the internet in their pocket 24/7
>almost all internet traffic is now funneled to a handful of sites, small/niche websites are ghost towns today compared to the percentage of internet traffic they received 20+ years ago
>Google is worthless to find useful results now, sure other search engines exist but this is the default for the vast majority of people
>ESLs fucking everywhere, especially Pajeets
>thirdies and now AI flooding social media and YT and search engines with completely retarded slop
>terminally online people didn't exist in the Old Internet, even the no lifers who spent all day online understood there was a difference between internet and IRL (this was a fundamental understanding all users had back then), normies are the ones insisting on merging internet and IRL, there's a reason the term "cyber bullying" was coined after the creation of social media

>>81877142 (OP)
plenty of them here simping for "fembots"

>>81879999
Some of the fascists in Europe blamed Jews for the French revolution and more broadly for destroying the aristocracy. They also blamed freemasons, the Illuminati, and occasionally the Jesuits (only in protestant countries). Look up Nesta H. Webster for example.
Also nice quads

>>81877142 (OP)
I'd like to think that they finally got the sense not to stay Friend Zoned and withdrew from associating with foids who emotionally use and abuse them.
If a non-relation foid doesn't want to fuck you, take nothing to do with her. Keeps things very simple. If she actually wants to fuck, then enjoy yourself.
Sadly, current hypergamy and inceldom means that many men have no women who want to fuck them. It's a sick fucking world.

>>81882284
Nah it's just after 30+ years of making it a meme made it stop. This meme was born in the 1980s and was poking fun at guys that were raised by mom's that stupidly rewarded them for everything so they stupidly acted the same way around mate potentials and when said girl rejected them it broke them because again, mommy raised them into thinking that approach would work, after all, that's how they got all their other things in life was being nice, polite and waiting for the reward. Fast foreword to the 90s and "Friend Zone" was added as a means to show what was going on, that if a girl doesn't find you attractive, no amount of good behavior is changing that. But even with that wisdom of lot of poor guys couldn't break that conditioning and from it we got the term orbiter in the 00s and the reinvention of simps in the 10s, further showing how hardwired these "good boys" were to what their parents did to them, however in these last 5 years it's rather difficult for that programing to be a thing anymore, most of the men raised with that mindset are between 30 and 40, the majority of 20yos now were not raised with such bad conditioning and mix that with how old the meme was and the idea of "Nice guys" just dies and rightfully as it should.

>>81881828
>needed google to find anything
>uses social media and YT

oh I get it now, you are the internet equivalent of "I'm not like the other girls"

>>81882388
Well the meme it became in recent years seems to have forced an end to it, yes.
Guys now know they will be humiliated on social media and have their private texts posted online for people to laugh at.
But yes, simps and paypigs are still a problem that let the side down. So many incel men are totally lost down the rabbithole of degeneracy and coomerism.

>>81882388
Not just mom but the school systems as well, most of early raising in 1st world countries was teaching kids that the best future was following the rules and never taking risks. I think that's why most of those guys just jump over to r the extreme of thinking assholes get everything because those early learning days really demonized any kid that look around and said "I'm just going to say what I believe and not what you tell me to say. I'm going to do what I think is right, not what you tell me is right"

>>81877142 (OP)
If kindness coins is what got men love and sex it'd be a better world. It's funny nobody ever seemed to notice that

>>81882480
I doubt it if only for where prostitution is legal you see how things play out, you just have a lot of angry guys that have to use kindness coins when they know dudes that never have to cash theirs in for love and sex and it would likely have monopoly/inflation issues too.

>>81882559
The meme was supposedly that guys would be rewarded with love and sex for doing good deeds and being good people. Obviously if there's actually no reward for being a good person... well, do the math.

>>81882632
"good person" is vague and few are truly good because paradoxically a good person would need no reward other than doing good. Another thing to consider is that the meme is also aimed at getting specific outcomes. You could get rewarded from being good, but if it's not pussy would that make you upset? If it had to be sex and sex alone that would make you good will you still be good once you had your fill of it? It's why games are loaded with seasonal offerings as a means to keep you coming back, if it was so simple as just getting some good feelings the "Nice guy" meme wouldn't be a thing.

I'm a women-hating incel, why women don't like me if they hate good-guys/simps?

is all of humanity just proving Arthur Schopenhauer right about women?
is legacy only defined by reproduction sexual conquest
or is radical empathy beyond human nature?

>>81877142 (OP)
Whats wrong with that? Someone treat you well you do the same you subhuman roastie shit

>>81877142 (OP)
Women realized they could use nice guys and now encourage simps, orbiters, and white knights for their own gain. Why mock them openly when women realized they could just use them.

>>81882975
This is terrible logic anon. All people have needs and desires, are you going to say that nobody who acknowledges this can be a good person because they're not purely self-sacrificing. There's still a difference between a doctor or paramedic and a narcotrafficker or corporate raider.

>>81877142 (OP)
I used to be a Nice Guy.
I stopped when I realised that women I was giving time and attention to weren't going to reciprocate and I was just a source of physical labor and free therapy for them. I learned years later that the female mind files away men she isn't attracted to in the same way it files away the positions of furniture in a room.
I never got to the "escape from the friendzone" phase with any of them because all it took for them to stop treating me like that was to stop talking to them. I'm sure they noticed, but it only came up once and the girl who tried to call me out was shouted down because it took her so long to notice that we weren't "close friends" any more that even her ride-or-die friends questioned why she was doing this to me all of a sudden.

The lesson learned here is that no, she won't develop feelings for you just because you are kind and helpful towards her. Pic related.

>>81879256
>There's his conditioning to be "nice" but on the inside he's angry and frustrated all the time.
Even that is framing it wrong, because I was genuinely a nice person. Once I punched someone because he flicked something at me, and then I felt remorse about it. That's how gay I was as a child.
My natural inclination is genuinely "be nice, be kind, try to make things better instead of worse", and the world has just repeatedly thrown that back in my face to the point that I have had to unlearn it.
To this day, I'm really conflicted about these things. There are people I know I shouldn't support, because they represent a clear and present threat to me, and yet I still can't help being kind to them. All of my faux edgy ideas just deflate the second I'm around people, and then all I want is what's best for them.

>>81877142 (OP)
they all came here when their containment subreddits got deleted

>>81877142 (OP)
Simps still exist; they're like 15 year olds right now DMing the local hot cosplay girl into making her their gf, the e-girl shares an OF link and then the little beta gets addicted to simping while underage (literally worse than tobacco, weed, alcohol, and porn proper combined).

Everyday I thank the demiurge for giving me that bit of enlightenment in my early life. Had I not been given that, I would still be here on 4chan but more focused on /soc/ and the Discord circlejerk threads of this board and /lgbt/ or so.

>>81884714
based LOGH chad
AHHHHH ROSEN RITTER DA MAJIDE!!!!!!

>>81884781

Yes and that cognitive dissonance causes a lot of unease for you.

I didn't think about it until this post. They really did just transition from using nice guy as an insult into just mask off calling everyone they didn't like incels. As if being nice is something wrong. I'm in my late 30s now and just see coping single moms and women in abusive relationships and shake my head. Its the grave they dug for themselves

>>81886262
i looked up the post and read it......
this world is in shambles
https://thoughtcatalog.com/anonymous/2014/04/dear-nice-guy-i-wasnt-ready-for-you-before-but-i-am-now/

>>81877185
Nice guys genuinely fell for the feminism psyop though. If they didn't then they wouldn't have been faggots to begin with.

>>81886294
Anon that post is more than a decade old. Its been a problem since way back when I was a jobless neet shitposting on this board until I got my life together. I'll tell you all the same thing that anon posted that motivated me. If things go right these whores will always be single and miserable, but you don't have to be. If all you really want is a wife, or sex, just get your passport, get a job, and go to thailand vietnam, or the philippines where you can cum in all the chicks you want for 30 bucks a pop. You can bring one back to be your subservient traditional wife if that's all you're after, but if you want to make it happen you'll need money. Don't recommend it over mongering first. Even the average teenager there has something like fifteen partners before they're 18

>>81886336
I would not recommend marrying any woman until women and the state get a divorce.

So if women don't fuck nice guys who DO they fuck? They are always saying nice guys aren't entitled to sex and are always acting up when they don't get it, so who ARE women having sex with? If nice guys aren't getting it, someone else must be, right? Someone who is, by definition, NOT a nice guy.

>>81886353
Unlike western women sea women still have some concern for traditional values. Also if they're disobedient you can just deport them and get a new one. Women in the philippines especially are dumb motherfuckers who will be more than happy to stay there and take care of your kid provided you send them a little money every month

>>81877142 (OP)
>>81877185
They barely existed in the first place, it was mostly a straw man argument that feminists liked to use.

>>81886035
See, it always has to be insincere somehow. It's not be who's a bad person. it's you.
You're the one who can't believe a person has a natural inclination to be nice, because it's the way they were raised.
>uh, well, ackchually, if you were a REAL nice person, you'd be behaving exactly like someone who isn't nice!
That's retarded.

>>81886356
The exact people they call toxic or abusive, a year later, when the relationship breaks down.

>>81879680
but what was the problem with jews?

Do "nice guys" like us robots, being around 29-39, have any chances with zoomer or alpha or whatever the 20yo girls are called now?
Do they hate us even more, or are they so socially impaired that we may look endearing and thus we can escape loserdom by smashing young meat?

boys don't want girls anymore since they get to see them act like bitches and whores on social media.

>>81887026
zoomer women hate age gaps, don't even try
t. older zoomer

>>81877730
you can just smell the keffals radicalized troon adding the last part as a fuck you to the author and to himself, I mean herself lmao

>>81879577
it's not a bad strategy for betas. I saw it work many times in my social circle but of course the girl was never really attracted to them and in the best case scenario they ended up being like roomates with a monthly sex appointment.

>>81883988
I think you over shot the post and what it was implying. Many areas have the means to get sex and yet many men are unhappy even if the girls are cheap/easy. This raises questions if being "nice" and getting sex for it would solve anything or like prostitution would people just belittle the sex having being due to you performing like a simp for it.

>>81877142 (OP)
They all became "male feminists", "allys" and leftists in general because pandering to mentally ill virtue signaling women was more successful and gave them a slight bit of power as they could attribute rejection to the girl that rejected them being morally impure and attacking them for old things they said, then pretend to be ashamed for ever being interested in her.
Right wing sucks too but the nice guys using politics to meet bitches is very unique to the left.
>>81877185
Incels barely can speak to women, let alone end up as "the nice guy" to a bitch.

Most other people are just checked out. Normies are legit brainwashed by social media, talking to people is like a mine field cause no one understands jokes anymore and women feel entitled to blowing up and making a scene over anything, even if the retarded bitch misunderstood what was said.

>>81882632
This is kinda stupid; do you really think "good" people and "bad" people act from a different root? All you have to do is ask either -why do you do either?- Then ignore the words, what do they mean? Some variation of "it feels good". You may say the G person is good because he is willing to sacrifice things of him for others, while the E one only takes from others for himself, but ask G if the sacrifice is "worth it"

Leave a good person unsupervised and consequence free, and he will be as good as he himself values the identity of "being a good person", no less

>>81877142 (OP)
That's kinda what happens when the world shames niceness for 15 years

>>81877411
When I first heard about "hyperpop" or whatever it's called, it came off to me as millennials desperately trying to be still relevant in the "underground" and cool with zoomers.

>>81889082
Well, that is a very delusional boomer take and completely wrong.