we live in a society where tendie NEETs which are modern hermits and sages are the most contemptable people and thugs like george floyd are seen as heros.

let that sink in. you live in a spiritually ill society. and normgroids are subhuman.

you are not an epic sage youre an eater that farts and pees all day and does nothing else

>>81898227 (OP)
there is no such thing as "morality" nigger.

>>81898239
i actually am a /fit/ neet who is working very hard to get in shape

>>81898227 (OP)
Yup OP. I know

>>81898227 (OP)
Most of the neets here aren't sagely and are spiritually black though. They chase materialism, try to connect with people but instead use them like objects before discarding them, and persue no enlightening activity with all their free time. I respect the ones who aren't spiritually black like this.

>>81898497
This is also true, people in the human-noble category are pretty rare even here.

The lesser and lower people have always hated their betters. They punch up, they punch down, they punch laterally. Blindly lashing out. Us neets have a noble spirit, and they feel insecure next to that. They respond with the only thing they have ever known, hatred.

>>81898227 (OP)
Diogenes was a public spectacle while being a ragged homeless volcel beggar, modern morality is an inversion of classical values. Read ancient greek, roman and other works and then simply reverse everything that is venerated and you have a good analogue for modern sensability

>>81898497
you have made a very dicey comment.

spirituality is the science of well being. it is a (lost) science in where you can change your chakra flow. mysticism is like boundary breaking and looking into how life works, the occult is the abuse of how life works.

yeah, NEETs aren't 'spiritual' but all real mystics have been and always will be utter freaks who stink, are demonstrably hedonistic and fit in nowhere because they destroy the social structure wherever they go.

hedonism is not a bad thing per se. If you are a real person on the verge of enlightenment you often have to be super hedonistic to stay in your body. usually through food or sex to maintain your sense of tangability. If you are looking from a buddhist perspective of self annihilation then yeah, nobody here is gonna fit your standard. But buddhists are fucking retarded and do nothing for the world. autistic mystics are the based ones.

>>81898227 (OP)
What you call a "moral tier" is simply various levels of control over the lord-bondsmen dialectic. Morality in a strict sense isn't real; it is a reflection of the overall historical and material conditions in one's society. The so-called nobles of the past were capable of sublating their will-power dialectic to equilibrium: this allows them to dominate others without being destructive; likewise, this also allows them to serve others without being a doormat. And the big kicker is this: they can fully sublate the appetite-restraint dialectic in order to focus on "higher goals", which only translates to working smarter or harder for your given social class.
Goblins (criminals, whores, bums) are simply people who operate directly on the lord-bondsmen dialectic. In a society of moral decay, the line between "noble" and "goblin" can often times be blurred because what people consider to be "noble" is simply their ideal social being.

>>81898227 (OP)
but george floyd was also a tendies NEET

>>81898719
he was based.... i just didn't see it...

>>81898227 (OP)
>who's
Would a real "Noble" know basic English?

Most are golems I think, which is a useful wuwu state to be in.

>>81898239
Uhh speak for yourself, I am a philosopher king of the internet

Goblin master race reporting in. Good luck with your "ideals", I'll be here scraping out my existence in reality

>>81898654
they are moral tiers of people not societal.
you can have a math mathematicians genius golem and a learning disabled noble.

>>81899653
what will you do when nobles stop treating you like humans and decide to enslave and subjugate you?

>>81899766
Being noble doesn't make you powerful. Having ideals doesn't make you strong. Life isn't a fairy tale.

>>81899795
the thing about the spiritual world is it is the inverse. light BTFOs dark and those who are moral, contemplative and wise attract higher beings who take them under their wing. you can't lie or cheat your way to the top in the spiritual world. if you believe in selfishness and dominating others you go to the place where that belief is law, that place is hell where all human souls are at the bottom of the totem poll. the demons (which are higher beings) are your kindred spirits and also believe life is about selfishness and dominating others but in a much different way. just that its YOU who is being toyed with.

>>81899884
Many of the world's greatest philosophers were Warrior poets. Their paths were bathed in blood and their freedom and independence was borne from their sweat and tears. The only reason they were able to win, the only thing that allowed them to taste success, was that someone had to fail, someone had to lose, in their place. You cannot make something from nothing.

>>81898227 (OP)
I just jerk off and sleep most of the day, I guess that makes me the golem. I used to pride myself on having higher ambitions or at least told myself that I should but the willpower has been beaten out of me so much I've given up. I already know that I don't have a future and will probably end up roping. It's not like I'll be remembered, at most I'll be remembered ten years after I've died by a small handful of people.

>>81899940
what's your point. what are you saying

>>81900027
the nobles and the goblins are the same people

>>81900022
it's about how you treat the innocent not your societal standing. do you think god gives a shit about you being an underachieved NEET? if you think your success in life matters then you praise a false god of society.

the fact that you can sit and think you are immoral or bad just because yoou are a smelly NEET is proof that you might actually be a golem

>>81900036
typical crab mentality 'we iz duh same niguh' when the difference is day and night.

>>81900089
Socrates to his buddies at the symposium
>thoughtful
>wise
>displays leadership qualities
>always developing new Ideals
>carefully considers and refutes people's fallacious theories

Socrates to his wife
>lazy
>unemployed
>selfish
>drunk
>always fucking around with his buddies down at the symposium
>worthless layabout
>leaching off her family's wealth

I have dozens of examples of contemporary "Noble" characters who facilitated their idealism through Goblinhood

>>81900121
the point is that there is no success to be found without stepping on a proportional amount of toes on the way. Christ himself, in the process of redeeming humanity, made enemies of both the Romans and the Jews, who were the figures of authority in their times. They crucified him for his crimes, he was put to death for disrupting the status quo. To many of us, he is the most noble man to have existed, but to the figures of authority in his time, he would have been considered a Goblin; they saw him as selfishly pursuing his own ideals to the detriment of those around him.

You cannot succeed to any degree without making enemies, and a noble pursuit to some is a selfish indulgence to others. It is, speaking philosophically, quite complicated.

>>81900121
i dismiss this. the extent to which i care about these so called wisemen is very limited. at best i might use them as a puppet to explain some concept. but most self proclaimed wisemen, priests and such are actually goblin or golem tier.

>>81900200
what is your alternative? that it's okay to have ideals, as long as you don't strive to achieve any degree of success in realizing them?

You either win enough to be recognized, or you fail enough to be forgotten and disappear into obscurity

>>81900199
>To many of us, he is the most noble man to have existed, but to the figures of authority in his time, he would have been considered a Goblin; they saw him as selfishly pursuing his own ideals to the detriment of those around him.
>You cannot succeed to any degree without making enemies, and a noble pursuit to some is a selfish indulgence to others. It is, speaking philosophically, quite complicated.

no it's not complicated it's called being a little fucking girl scout and hating le weird kid. Only redditors who are golem tier think that morality is subjective.

one of the prevailing philosophical ideas of our time is that morality is subjective. To goblins and golems it is. But there is a real, objective morality. It's just that it's unspoken because it will always be self evident to the divines. language is a very pliable thing and you can always twist it and poke holes in it. i'd laugh in your face if you told me to write down some sort of real morality because not only would it instantly be twisted by someone but it'd be a redundancy since anybody who is pure of heart would not need it. that kind of segways into the idea of if you can actually teach somoone to be better which i will expand upon in the CONT.

>>81900276
CONT.

technically. You can probably teach a goblin into golem or even human tier. But the thing is language will only take you so far, which is not far enough. After some point it is intuitive, spiritual, in which case you are a higher being in a human body.

if this is wrong, however. And the tiers are fixed as beings and can't be changed. then true morality cannot be taught no matter what. But i'm not sure. i personally think golem and goblin are subhumans who can't be changed, maybe trained like a dog but not changed. But humans for sure have the potential to rise up to noble if they put their mind to it. and maybe even beyond.

>>81898227 (OP)
Anchorites have always been frowned upon. Don't get your shit twisted.
but, you neetshits can hardly even be called anchorites.