>TRUMP IS ANTI CONSTITUTION? GOOD. IM A FASCIST. I SUPPORT AUTHORITARIANISM.
this dude really thought this made him look cool lmao

At least he's honest.

>>81906362 (OP)
he literally looks jewish though

you can be like this if you're a baby, but you're supposed to grow out of wildly incorrect views like this when you turn an adult

>>81906383
>You have to be a Communist to be an adult
Indonesia had the right idea

>>81906395
nobody knows what this means because that makes no sense

>>81906404
Just nazi schizobabble

>>81906362 (OP)
the only reason it's not cool is because he's screeching about it on jewbilee

>>81906362 (OP)
Fascists have been massively emboldened in recent years. He think he's going to be a camp guard in due time. Sadly, I don't see anything on the horizon which indicates that he's wrong, though.

He's probably a paid actor but that sentiment is actually building up.

Frankly, anyone who isn't white should be ethnically cleansed in the west. Deportations are a humane, kind option that most nons do not deserve.

>>81906507
Daily reminder the January 6th """"insurrectionists"""" were all unarmed (because that makes sense when you are trying to overthrow the government in a country with more guns than people in it). Your entire perception of reality is a Jewish fairy tale designed to demonize and disenfranchise conservative white men.
>b-but I can't kill my unborn children at any time for any reason with impunity!
retard

>>81906362 (OP)
absolute state of modern conservatives and "fascists" in america in 2025
KEK

>>81906362 (OP)
Well yeah retarded civnats and normies place their faith in a piece of paper. Legalism is retarded because it can used against you without your consent there's no moral system to it, there's no safeguards or explicit idea of what American is.

>>81906362 (OP)
His faggy laugh would have gotten this piggy killed in a concentration camp back then so this was extra confusing, similar to that crazy black dude who somehow runs around trying to sell swastika merch. You Americans are so weird.

>>81906409
Not a Nazi I just think it's a kill or be killed game with Communists and we should slaughter them all.

>>81906362 (OP)
Why is everyone so damn cringe?
I have some respect for the nazis, communists and fascists of the early 20th century because at least they weren't cringe, they were mostly presentable and didn't sound like faggots, no matter your ideology you should hold the same view.
I hold disdain for almost all radicals of modernity due to the simple fact that they're cringe.

>>81906362 (OP)
He is pretty based to openly say that though.
So-called democracy has been taken over by globalist vermin anyway.
An actual fascist party would look over their own nation and people above all else.
A benevolent dictator is always better than a cucked 'leader' of a party that's (((owned))).

>>81906362 (OP)
why do you post /pol/ threads here constantly.

>>81906755
oh my sweet summer child...
don't you know that hortler was heckin funded by foreign banks and he was a rothschild and quarter jewish and secretly hated germany and was secretly a communist?
I can't even right now read a book (xitter posts) sweaty

>>81906746
I would like to see you try to like me desu. Too bad you never left your moms basement. Faggot.

>>81906362 (OP)
i find it so sad that retards like this exist. it's 2025 in the usa. we have an absolute abundance of historical knowledge to be able to figure out if the views you hold are straight up stupid. like do some fucking homework man.

my favorite part was when he said he wanted a "benevolent leader" and then like a minute later said something like "well I wouldn't be one of the ones he kills." how mind bendingly dumb do you have to be?

It is astounding how retarded people can be. Fascism and authoritarianism is stupid.
It is sad. However that's how it is.

The pajeet is insufferable. But every single debater in that video looks like a complete and utter retard. They legitimately look fucking insane.
I don't understand why people choose to believe those things. It's so obviously wrong. And yet, they swear by it and feel empowered by the support of their fellow retards.

>>81907027
>When we enact Communism they wouldn't kill me
Said every revolutionary just before the Great Purge

>>81907149
>I don't understand why people choose to believe those things. It's so obviously wrong.
For clicks. It's plain as day to me that they don't believe anything. These exact same people would scream to you about misgendering them if the wind was blowing that way and it was the easier way to make money.

>>81907149
That Caucasian "native American" dude was wild. I'm sure he won most of his past arguments due to him threatening his opponent with physical violence whenever his arguments didn't land for some strange reason.

>>81906362 (OP)
I swear every uppity conservative is a spicaroon mutt these days.

>>81907392
>every uppity conservative is a spicaroon mutt these days.

>>81907149
>these whites don't want to be ethnically cleansed omg sisters they're insane they're unhinged
Just like the comments of that video lefties resorted to gaslighting.

>>81906362 (OP)
I find it funny that people used to make fun of libtards for calling everyone nazis, but now those same people are open nazis.

>>81906362 (OP)
It's funny that he believes it's not right for people he doesn't like to do whatever they want in power without any restraints, but would be fine if it was someone he likes. This just goes to show that horseshoe theory is true. They are not on your side.

It's funny because there's a high chance this guy is a complete utter degenerate, I never met a decent catholic.

>>81906362 (OP)
Too bad its just faggots screaming their lungs out and fascism is long dead

>>81907159
Yeah, it's so sad. They claim themselves to be "American" and hide their racism behind claims of "values", when they contradict those same american values in the same exact breath.
>>81907185
I honestly know exactly why they do it. I just legitimately think it's sad. Genuinely. They are so hateful and so wrong. What I don't know is why they hate so much, or how to help them stop.
>>81907195
If you pay attention, every single guy who told the pajeet to "relax" was shaking.
I wonder if they ever see themselves and become self-aware. Do they just not?
>>81907453
Anon, you are starting from a false premise.
I have tried to have this conversation so many times. But it's utterly impossible.
I disagree with the pajeet in many things.
But you aren't being "ethnically cleansed".
The sad part about this discussion (the one between you amd me) is that we won't even be able to agree on definitions or even basic concepts. We speak in 2 different languages. And I'm genuinely willing to sit down and define the framework through which we can have a discussion. But I also genuinely believe that you aren't willing to do that. Which is sad.
>>81907633
The dude supporting autocracy has to be functionally retarded. You can see his brain short out when he has to deal with the support for Nazis. He claims himself a Christian, but supports a regime that killed innocents, you can see him as he struggles to reconcile both positions.
Ofc, the reconciliation is to deny that it ever happened or to claim that they were all guilty, but you aren't in the same reality at that point, which goes back to my assertion of them not talking in the same language.
They contradict themselves at every point, but are unable to see it. I understand why they think like this, I just don't understand how. How can someone lack all self-awareness? What is it? I don't know.

>>81906362 (OP)
Most Trump supporters think blind loyalty and bootlicking makes them based

>>81907816
They didn't bootlick Trump. They think he is bad for not being enough of a fascist. That is their point.
You also don't understand what they say.

>>81907833
There are a lot of bootlickers for Trump. Just cuz they dont wear all black Hugo Boss uniforms or speak German doesnt make them any less fascist

>>81906362 (OP)
lol he's sucking up to the chad tiktok faggot on twitter now

>>81907858
Trump is not a fascist.
But I think that, again, we speak a different language. We do not talk about the same reality.

>>81907799
>so sad
>so sad
>so sad
>more gaslighting
You are a woman or faggot

>>81907900
No. But there's not much else I can say. We literally are unable to effectively talk to each other.
Sadness, however, as all emotions, is universal to all humans. Perhaps it is through something like that, that we can reach a starting common ground.
It actually made me think of some other stuff that I find interesting as well.

>>81907465
Nuh uh. These kids are just larping as nazis. These soft zoomers don't have the stomach to do what would be necessary to further their own cause and that's a good thing but doesn't make this impotent display of edginess any less cringe.

Besides, they're not even cohesive in their own group, which is kind of an important point if one wants to "other" the "enemies".

I've dipped my toes into a telegram group for "free speech" and there were a lot of "Nazis" on there but strangely most of them were not even Caucasian much less "aryan". I've asked them what "aryan" means in their context because they're clearly not using that term in the conventional way and they explained it with "people who build civilizations". They got pretty pissy at me for asking questions so I dipped out of that group before they get the idea to doxx me or something. Wherever I find myself in groups incapable of listening to divergent ideas I know that it's time for me to go somewhere else. I'm a seeker of truth and they are clearly not interested in that.

>>81907876
Him being a joke compared to someone like Alexander the Great or Napoleon like these fascist cucks wanted doesnt make him less fascist.

>>81906362 (OP)
kill all fascists

>>81907957
>I'm a seeker of truth and they are clearly not interested in that.
They aren't.
I know that talk about feelings gets labeled as "gay" as per >>81907900 said lmao

But, one of the things I've always dealt with is an inherent feeling of loneliness. I have heard that philosophers throughout history have also talked about this phenomenon and some argue that it is part of the "human condition".
Without going through all the context that lead me to have this realization or thought, I wonder if these collectivist ideas are rooted in that same loneliness.
As in, the choice to give up the individual self just to not feel lonely. Maybe that is what's at the root of their choice.
I can see myself making that choice, even. I just don't think it's in accordance with the truth of things and thus the wrong choice.

>>81907985
It does.
And he is not a fascist. But your criticism of him should be more than just a buzzword.

>>81906561
>were all unarmed
1 google search to realize this is deadwrong

>>81907799
I don't really care about these low IQ "foot-soldiers" that are clearly not able to form any informed opinion or apply logic to their thoughts at all but I would be interested to know where their "opinion" is coming from so we get to examine the few high IQ Nazis that function as recruitment officers for their cause.

>>81906362 (OP)
Pretty cool that youtube allows these debates to be had tho

>>81906746
only capitalists, bootlickers, and retards have a problem with communism

>>81908066
You have the resources to do so available for free.
Read Hitler's book.
And Giovanni Gentile's manifesto.

It's right there.
I am only becoming more convinced that it's about loneliness or feeling part of a group, the more I think about it. It's all a massive rationalization that starts from faulty axioms.
It's like a lego. They have the pieces and a goal. That's how their ideologies get made. They aren't in accordance with reality, they manipulate reality to fit their goal.

>>81908049
He calls his opponents vermin, promotes violence against them, and directly ignores the Supreme Court when he wants to. Youve been sucking his cock for 10 years and when it finally starts getting unpopular, the backpedaling starts
I dont get why you fuckers bootlick and constantly make excuses for someone calls you weak and stupid

>>81908118
Not that anon but that's just authoritarian demagoguery. Fascism is a particular ideology. Pinochet wasn't fascist. Salazar wasn't fascist.

>>81908118
I am not even american.
And I used to be very far left.
Your "bootlicker" shit is the same kind of thing I said that makes these conversations utterly impossible. We simply cannot communicate.

>>81906750
>I hold disdain for almost all radicals of modernity due to the simple fact that they're cringe.
Because the 20th century movements were mostly made of learned intellectuals and modern fascists are all uneducated hillbilly hicks, which is why nobody can take them seriously and why they can't even govern.

Daily reminder: progressives do not like diversity. They promote diversity into an area and then they run away when reality hits them. East St Louis was one of the earliest examples of this. Where did all the white progressives go, anons?

>>81908035
I'm sure most of them lack the confidence of having divergent opinions since they saw all too often that voicing these kind of opinions will get them ostracized and some times even bullied into committing suicide.

I think it's true that most people seek some kind of group to identify with and that's probably the reason why organized religion is still very popular. I wish I had not such a low tolerance for bullshit that gets me kicked out of every group I try to become a member of.

Guess I'm a real edgy lone wolf, awwwooo!

>>81908143
White progressives are liars. Every single one of them are spineless cowards that say what they think they are supposed to say and then live a completely opposite lifestyle.

>>81908114
"Mein Kampf" is illegal where I live and I really don't want to get caught in possession of that book that I'm pretty sure is pretty terrible but I'm still curious if it could turn me into a convinced nazi but I doubt it's that convincing. Plus I'm a mutt myself so all that aryan shit doesn't apply to me anyways but Mr. Schickelgruber wasn't that "aryan" himself which is still pretty funny to me how his fans are totally ok with ignoring that fact.

Group think is some scary shit, man.

>>81908155
See, I don't think that groups are inherently wrong.
I particularly believe that the knly way to deal with this inherent loneliness is the family. The kind of intimate connection that is made between husband and wife then is transferred to their children.
These general groups degrade the this "connection" and end up alienating the very same people they claim to protect, by way of requiring them to give up their identity.
>religion
I think Christianity or monotheistic religion overall is actually a very interesting case.
Disregard the miraculous claims if you will for a sec.
Monotheism, particularly Christianity and Judaism make an extremely relevant case for the value of the individual in their doctrins.
Thus letting people develop themselves.
It's also a willing conversion, meaning it's a choice.
And it's not predicated on any "material" characteristics or categories. So anyone can become a part of it.

Now, there definitely are examples in which religion has become collectivist. I am not denying that. What I am saying is that, at it's core, it offers a very interesting "middle-ground" that satisfies both the need for belonging and also allows and encourages individuality.

>>81908273
Families arent that interesting for young men they need the mannerbund

>>81907149
>Jeet Jeet jeeeeet
What's with this obsession

>>81908237
I think it can "convert you".
As I said, I can see myself falling for it. I just think that, in the end, it's irrational.
I would hope you don't get converted if you read it, desu.
>illegal
Can't you just download it with a foney vpn? It's free on the internet not even hard to find. It's like public domain shit.
Giovanni Gentile was definitely smart. So was Hitler. If you take my analogy of "languages", if you speak their language, they are correct. It's more of an analysis of how their framework of reality is flawed.
>Group think
Yes. It is also evil. I wholeheartedly believe so.
>>81908285
That is an interesting point. But we all want a family in the end. Even the antinatalists who hate themselves, they also crave a family, but want to kill off the human race because they don't think anyone is deserving of one.

>>81906362 (OP)
well thats nice, but why wont trump release the epstien files

>>81908334
Not really an obsession, but an easy way to point out that I'm not fully on his side either, to discourage the retards who will then drag me into their group think by accusing me of that.
It's literally just a buzzword. Don't get lost in it.

Why is the masterrace so hideous? They'd be the first to be killed by a dictator.

>>81908470
This guy was violently shaking.
He looks fine though.
Kys racebaiter.

These kids were ill prepared to face off with Mehdi Hasan. I'm not a fan of Muslims but this gentleman is a seeker of truth and I respect that.

>>81908478
It's not all whites, just the fascist types

>>81908488
Yeah, they got destroyed.
The jeet did make mistakes too though. And his constant interrupting was annoying af.

>>81908432
What Jeet are you talking about? Mehdi Hasan, a fucking Muslim that very clearly looks like a Muslim even if he's ethnically Indian?

And you're telling me picrel lambasting him for talking about the constitution is somehow right? Look at that weirdass skinwalker. "People" like you only care about facte and logic and rules when they suit you. This faggots willing to completely disregard the constitution and I bet you support him too

>>81908336
I contain multitudes and see truth / values across the political spectrum, at least in the opinions that are mostly somewhere in the middle. The extreme left and extreme right are both batshit crazy and not really worth listening to besides for keeping an eye on them.

>>81906857
>Too bad you never left your moms basement. Faggot.

>>81908544
Yeh, basically.
>>81908533
Lol you're completely retarded.

>>81908533
what a weird interaction.
>why are you obsessed with jeets
>proceeds to name drop and discuss jeets a normal person would of never known about
and how do you fucking misspell "facts".

>>81906811
he's afraid we'll make fun of him on /pol/

>>81908470
alcohol makes you look old and fat

>>81908118
>He calls his opponents vermin
>promotes violence against them
>and directly ignores the Supreme Court when he wants to
every single other president has done way worse things than this but you don't care, if you want to call trump a facist, you need to say the same about everyone else, which completely shatters your stupid narrative
> Youve been sucking his cock for 10 years and when it finally starts getting unpopular, the backpedaling starts
I think trump is a retard and should be jailed for multiple war crimes, just like every other major politician in the last 80 years or so

leftoids are so fucking stupid

>>81908601
>picture: someone who actually left moms basement
i must be missing the point here. yeah? that guy...left his moms basement, and appears to be actually supporting and active in a polictical movement aimed at improving peoples personal lives.

like, hes fucking wrong and retarded, but hes ACTUALLY putting in the footwork. meanwhile, i think you, the guy who posted this, hasnt even managed to step outside and wear some gay retarded wrong political bullshit. i think your the guy who owns a nazi flag. and its not ironed, or anything. still got the creases while its hung on your bedroom wall.

in the basement. your moms basement.

>>81908004
only if we also kill all commies, collectivists deserve it

>>81908636
>both sides fence sitter is le enlightened centrist
So goddamn tiring

I support the far right because the left is just pro racemixing, not just pro but they push it and being pro racemixing only results in no more white people. I would never be for a group of people that are so anti-white. I would vote for Hitler before I voted for a lefty.
>muh they would kill you for being autistic
Then so be it.

>>81908670
this. if he doesnt pick a side, and doesnt just arbitrarily fight battles for his arbitrarily chosen side, hes gutless and a faggot, amirite

>>81908670
>MY POLITICIAN COMMITED MULTIPLE WAR CRIMES BUT THE ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE IS THE REAL PROBLEM!
fucking retard

Was the "Iranian Fascist" just trolling or camouflaging as a fascist to not get bullied by his "peers"? Ignoring the fact that wearing a hat indoors is disrespectful and a feeble attempt at looking more confident but his total inability of sensing his ridiculous position was pretty wild and I'm almost convinced this whole discussion was faked and these kids are just actors.

Besides, I agree that discussions in which the opponents don't let each other finish their sentence like civilized people is infuriating and makes me wish the participants would wear shock-collars to get punished for speaking over each other.

>>81908670
"fencesitting" is used to describe people who don't commit to ideas.
Not supporting either side is not "fencesitting" I commit to my ideas. That is the only difference.
So many people proudly flaunting their mental disabilities itt.

>>81908130
Right wing populist that
>promotes nationalism
>has a disdain for human rights towards non-whites
>identifies all his opponents as a cause for his followers to unite against
>is sexist
>promotes military supremacy
>threatens news outlets in order to control them
>obsessed with national security
>uses religion to back his regime
>supports corporations
>suppresses unions
>hates intellectualism
>obsessed with crime and punishment
>rampant corruption (your boy is on the list)
All things fascists do

>>81908660
bro... you are so cringe

you write like you look

>leftists ignore all laws regarding immigration destroying the entire economy and infrastructure
>if you dont support this youre a facist

>>81908759
>MY brand of populism, however... let me tell you about that!
>In this moment, I am euphoric...

>this dude really thought this made him look cool
I know we live in the brainrot era where image is wrapped in never-ending layers of irony, but maybe this is just what he believes?

>>81908787
you're retarded too, my condolences.
The guy in the OP declared himself a fascist.

>>81908787
>they crossed the boarder illegally therefore Im justified in being a fascist
The holocaust and slavery had legal frameworks that allowed them to happen. You just wanted an excuse to bootlick for a guy who calls you weak and stupid

>>81906561
>January 6th """"insurrectionists"""" were all unarmed
Untrue
>Your entire perception of reality is a Jewish fairy tale designed to demonize and disenfranchise conservative white men.
You disenfranchise yourself but being unable to accept reality. You have lost grip on society because your ideas are bad, not because of a Jewish plot. And even if it was a Jewish plot, you guys got outsmarted and deserve to lose by your own ideology.

>>81908798
Half of America would let Trump fuck their wives and suck his dick afterwards. Its a cult

>>81908798
>but maybe this is just what he believes?
yes.
but he also clearly thought that admitting to being a fascist was this "gotcha" move. Because he embraced the "bad term", which is popularly used to undermine them.
He thought that he was "owning the libs" by admitting to be a fascist. As is clear by the fact that he smiled and laughed right after and got a resounding applause by the band of retards surrounding him.

>>81908787
>destroying the entire economy and infrastructure
The United States is the richest country on Earth because of mass immigration. There's a good reason other countries seek to emulate.

>>81908853
Keep lying and see where it gets you. It won't get your guys back into power, that's for certain.

>>81906561
>. Your entire perception of reality is a Jewish fairy tale designed to demonize and disenfranchise conservative white men.
>defeats propaganda by spouting propaganda
oh man, you're really smart, anon.
nvm that the first isn't actual propaganda in all cases, but I'm just pointing out that, even in your own worldview, you look like a fucking dumbass.

>>81908863
Trump is lying to you about the Epstein. Wonder what else he lied to you about

>>81908880
you faggots are obsessed with trump
did he fuck your gf or something?

nevermind you'd probably enjoy that

>>81908470
On the left you have mentally ill dysgenic freaks with 100 tattoos, piercings all over their face who've surgically changed their gender. On the right you have this normal looking dude. What's your problem?

>>81906362 (OP)
Who is this, guys?

>>81908488
>but this gentleman is a seeker of truth
LOL. He argues for whatever his echo chamber thinks is trendy like all leftists do. He's a muslim from India who think he known how the West should be run, pushing for the same ideas that leads to worse outcomes wherever they're implemented and has the audacity to lecture native folks about it.

>>81908853
Fucking horseshit. Go look at any major city. They're full of browns and are collapsing. Why do leftists enjoy lies and destruction so much?

>>81908702
Iranians tends to be smart and educated. Many of them are right wingers who blend in and are very integrated in countries that have opened up to them. Doesn't mean he's gonna agree with the most radically fringe people on the right. Mehdi tried to create conflict where there was none. The guy who wanted to deport Mehdi for acting like a disrespectful leftist invader would most likely not want to deport the assimilated and based Iranian.

>>81909088
>and are collapsing
None of them are collapsing according to any metric whatsoever.
Twitter is not reality.

>>81909088
I'm looking at the major American cities and it seems like they're doing pretty good actually

>>81908853
>The United States is the richest country on Earth because of mass immigration.
No, it's rich because of its culture of closely guarded liberties where innovation and cretivity is promoted. It's also a large country with lots of people. Immigration have historically played a part too but not all immigration. It depends where the immigration originates from, the purposes of it, how it's done etc. Or maybe you think you'd see the same outcomes if you imported millions of Nigerians and Somalis vs. Germans and Danes? Let's be honest.

>>81909045
The last notable meme from 4chan was your shooter's ugly face

>>81909156
>No, it's rich because of its culture of closely guarded liberties where innovation and cretivity is promoted.
This is true, but any society that promotes these things will also generally promote open immigration systems. It's all tied together.

If you want more White people (which I do as well), raise the birth rate.

>>81909202
>will also generally promote open immigration systems
From safe and developed countries with similar cultures, yeah. Not refugee immigration from Afghanistan or Iraq.

>>81909209
>>81909244
Whoops, tagged the wrong post.

>>81909244
NTA but why in god's name would you ever move from Norway to the US?

>>81909244
There are plenty of people from Afghanistan or Iraq who are compatible enough to contribute. People massively overstate how much culture difference there is anymore

>>81908611
>How do you make a typo
By making a typo

Also "would of". Yeah fuck outta here zoomer.
>>81908602
>Lol I'm just going to insult you
You weird fucking skinwalkers aren't getting away with atrocities in this day and age. Everyone's onto your grift

None of you little faggots can explain why you're suddenly ok breaking your own laws and shitting on legal citizens other than for the fact that they're brown. You're done.

>>81908670
Retarded extremist lmao. End it

>>81909283
For the opportunities, for the fun of it. For the freedom. US is a very vibrant and unique country that's hard to match. But Norway isn't that bad either so it's probably not that common for people to emigrate from there. Maybe Sweden, Germany or France, they're more unstable and tend to have terrible leadership by Western standards.

>>81909293
Statistically no and you'd have to risk endangering your own people and make them pay for it if you allow for large numbers of refugee immigration from those countries. Most of them have no education, won't know the language, will be over represented in crime and take up taxpayer money. Several European countries have had major issues with these demographics.

>>81909735
Nobody wants to go from free healthcare to what we have. America really isnyt that good to move to unless youre already rich

>>81908702
the iranian was a low iq zogbot

>>81909890
> free healthcare
Long queues, almost impossible to book appointments for checkups unless you're nearly dying and subpar quality treatment. It's nice to have it subsidized by the people if you have to go regularly or perhaps get expensive surgeries but the "free healthcare" slogan is mostly a meme.

America isn't perfect but almost everything good comes from there. Anything that's fun and interesting. There's a reason why the US is a global superpower and not just economically or militarily.

>>81906362 (OP)
The issue is, magats will still defend this shit
>OMG he's so heckin based he hates democracy! I hate democracy too!
They never grew out of their middle school contrarian phase and this is the consequence. Self-imposed tyranny.

I agree with him
I really don't care about what political system I live under
but I would want to see a dictator booting out all those corrupt elites that diddle kids on a island and think they can get away with everything they do
so yea I'd support a dictatorship

>>81910063
What does democracy really do for you? You can vote two parties, which are both equally compromised and you'll end up with the same slopy no matter what you vote for. With a dictator you'd at least get meaningful change in the system and a good chunk of the billionaires / politicians / foreign agents would get the boot.

>>81910071
Your Dear Leader was on that island diddling kids with other wealthy elites

>>81909997
>implement austerity so public services don't run efficiently
>"government is...le BAD!"
good goy

>>81910167
I don't like Trump. And yes, I want to see him booted out, as well.

>>81910199
Austerity isn't practised in the countries i referred to with "free healthcare". And yeah public services aka governmental run industries are often bad, ineffective and wasteful. Just a fact, not sure what your point is.

>>81910105
>both equally compromised
Biden didn't build concentration camps btw

>>81910105
Is this a troll or do rightoids really think this way

>>81910256
Do you think Trump is building "concentration camps" where he gasses people?

>>81909997
I pay nearly $250 out of pocket for health insurance and still have to wait a long ass time to get seen if I ever go to the hospital, which is only once or twice a year. I doubt euros want to find out the joys of medical debt
Its not fun to live here if youre poor.

>>81910167
It seems like he also facilitated getting girls to Epstein too.

>>81909997
>have to go regularly or perhaps get expensive surgeries
So basically if you have to go to the hospital ever?

>>81910282
I dont think we are at the stage of actually feeding people to alligators but the conditions there must be atrocious. And with no oversight there is probably more deaths than expected and the dead there could be disposed of via prehistoric monster.

>>81910322
>go regularly
>expensive surgeries
You think this is applicable for the average person?

>>81906362 (OP)
Why do liberals/commies get so upset when you disagree with their world views?

>>81910328
So how many people are being killed directly and indirectly a month in those camps? When a nation is overrun. What is it allowed to do to stop that?

>>81910272
Neither Dems nor Reps will investigate the Epstein affair. Why is that?

>>81910348
Yes, retard. Most people will need to have at least one surgery in their lifetime and there are a lot of people that need regular doctor visits especially as they get older. Do you think you'll just stay healthy forever?

>>81906362 (OP)
>Liberals openly support fascism
>Conservatives respond by supporting fascism
>Liberals are confused by this
Yep. Typical retardlibs

>>81910397
>pay high taxes for 60 years with barely anything leftover
>earn more and save up money for 60 years in a society with low taxes
Only retards who completely fell for the "free healthcare" meme think option #1 inherently is superior to #2 when it comes to affording stuff.

>>81910418
>conservatives act evil in a completely indefensible way
>imagine that their "enemies" did it first
>this makes any evil act by cons completely okay
many such cases

>>81910504
>bro when your nation is overrun you just like have to accept that otherwise you're le completely indefensibly evil

>>81910525
Spics doing your lawn work is not your country being overrun. I do not understand the need for you to keep trying to destroy language when your kind has already revealed what they are.

>>81910558
I'm doing the work on my lawn myself. And yes, when you go from 90% Europeans in the US to 60% in 30 years, then this is what is. You're being overrun. Your power in the country is diminished. Your culture is being eroded. You are not independent, anymore. Or less so, realistically. This is factually true, in my opinion. Are you denying that?

How am I destroying language? I don't get it.

>>81910499
We don't need to spend a trillion dollars on the military each year

>>81910603
American culture isnt built on skin color. Its the easiest culture to adapt to because it relies so heavily on immigrants
Mexicans arent out there doing pogroms

>>81906750
>I have some respect for the nazis, communists and fascists of the early 20th century
Because you live amongst modern people. Look at any politician from 70 years ago, then look at any politican today. Watch them speak, they are not the same. We live in a society that doesn't teach nor value honour of any kind for a start. Which tangentially means there's no honest conversation or debate, it's all just cheap attempts at gotchas and being loud and laughing. The entire goal is to make the other person be not taken seriously and mocked, not to actually consider absolutely anything about what they say.
We now live in a society where ordinary normie clowns openly talk about murdering or executing people just for opinions or being part of x/y/z country or for daring to enter a government building lmao. Yet 100 years ago you'd have two armies fighting in war literally call a ceasefire for christmas and share food and drink and sing together. They'd find injured enemies on the battlefield after winning and give them medical treatment or show them respect and write about how brave they were as they lay dying.

Absolutely none of this would happen today, in whatever this shitshow of a society populated by these cretins is supposed to be. We are not better than people that came before us like retards seem to believe, we are objectively worse in almost every measurable way.

>>81908533
>muh constitution
the founding fathers wiped their ass with the constitution 5 minutes after gaining power
conservacucks are the biggest retards on the planet
the only thing that matters is acquiring power, and more people on the right (fascists) are starting to realize this, and this terrifies you - because you are a born loser because you would rather lose beautifully than win in a way you cannot stomach

you are cattle

>>81906987
>how mind bendingly dumb do you have to be?
Based on that statement the dumb one here is you. The ideal hypothetical system of government and country ruling is in fact a benevolent dictator. Just because that's massively unlikely to ever be able to exist in reality doesn't change that it's almost certainly the best system and the least vulnerable to bad actors and undermining in the hypothetical
Rule by AI for example is ultimately just a step along that path, you're just trying to create your benevolent dictator with rules that mean it can't do what humans in reality end up doing.

>>81911379
Yes, it does not rely on skin color. It is relying on a people. In the case of America, it was peoples from Western Europe. A people is more than "skin color".

In any case, it is true that many Africans or Hispanics define themselves along their ethnicity. As opposed to Europeans explicitly. I react to that. So I want a state for Europeans that the US used to be. Is that really "completely indefensible evil"? That I want to be independent from you? If migration is a part of the US' culture, than so is the fight for independence and self-governance.

>Mexicans arent out there doing pogroms
In 2020 business were raided by blacks and Hispanics. On grounds of race. If this isn't not a pogrom, then what is? In any case, even if Hispanics were not violent, I would not want to be overrun by them. For the reasons that I told you.

>>81908853
it's the richest country on earth in spite of immigration you mean you low iq fucking clown lmao
your prosperity is a result of the people in it 100 and 200 years ago, the people in it now are not them and are doing absolutely nothing valuable or good like those predecessors did. americas prosperity in the modern era literally ALL comes from the dollar being used as the standard currency and a larger population, due to large landmass, than most developed countries, giving a large market that other countries thus want access to sell things to.
you could replace every single person in america with an alaskan, and the prosperity of that market would not change. it literally does not matter who makes up that market, all would be equally prosperous for other countries desiring the market
every country on earths citizens right now are seeking to not only stop mass migration, but actively punish it and reverse it. they are smarter than you

>>81911549
not my problem
your problem

>>81909209
>raise the birth rate.
Retarded. Your birth rate rise cannot exist alongside 3rd world savages, they are incompatible, to increase the former you must decrease the latter. If you increase the latter, the former will decrease automatically. Nobody wants their children living alongside 80iq violent apes in lawless lands where they're actively discriminated against whilst everyone else is given a variety of protective special statuses. Even if you made houses cost 1 dollar, it would not fix the birth rate by itself because of this. The world is not a race to the bottom competing with animals, we don't have to outbreed africa we just have to send them home and stop funding them. Population is not a go up forever line sorry there are capacity and resource limits, and one of those resources is personal space and desire to not live around mongoloids.

>>81911517
I wholly agree with you
We just live in a effeminate society where everyone is a spiteful, passive aggressive faggot who acts like a heckin badass on the internet but turns into jelly when confronted irl
>They'd find injured enemies on the battlefield after winning and give them medical treatment or show them respect and write about how brave they were as they lay dying.
Yes, just look at the shit happening in Ukraine or Gaza, completely zero respect for the injured or the captured. People post drone footage and laugh at those poor bastards getting blown into pieces. Complete dehumanisation of the opposite side. The soldiers of the world wars sometimes even lamented that they had to fight their brothers or cousins on the other side. Imagine a Russian or a Ukrainian saying something like that today.
>We are not better than people that came before us like retards seem to believe, we are objectively worse in almost every measurable way.
Absolutely true it makes my blood boil when someone even implies that people of the past were in any way inferior. Idiots love to bring up how people of the past were ignorant, while they have access to all the knowledge known to man and yet they waste their time on social media and are as ignorant if not more than those peasants

>>81909293
>nooo afghans
lol, the uk data has shown afghans rape and commit sexal offences at 23x the rate of native brits.
can you sift through the country and find a few non retards who will behave correctly and learn their place? sure. should we? no. it's not worth the effort it would take to do that much digging to find them, and it's not worth the risk to the natives to subject them to that risk even if there were a good reason - and there is not a good reason.

>>81906362 (OP)
this guy was actually fun and he won the discussion against the Indian journalist

Also the Muslim accusing Trump of being a pedophile.. delicious.

>>81911994
>Won the discussion
How exactly? By being a smug fuck and acting like him being an open bigot simply because you like that?

>>81908081
Or anyone who doesn't want to live in an authoritarian shithole

But you want to be imprisoned for wrongthink be my guest

>>81911549
>IM RIGHT AND YOURE WRONG!!!
once again, this isn't going to be a repeat of the past.
>You would rather blah blah
I'm not white. You can disregard my opinion, don't even bother replying. All I know is that you clearly think your life is worth infinitely more than mine, and that means you have more to lose. If you think black and brown people are going to lay down and be wiped out and forced out of our homes to be thrown into foreign countries, you're dead wrong.
This time, when you try to commit atrocities and genocide, the whole world will take notice. and you won't get away with it.

>>81912095
>Liberals enact policies to reward non-whites at the expense of whites. So why shouldn't white people do the same?
>*is silent*
>*smiles*
>You're a holocaust denier.. You're a fascist.. You're an n-word
He made perfect sense. And all the Indian guy could do at that point is call him the n-word.

>>81908798
We live in an age where everyone imagines themselves as a lone wolf standing up to the Man and that everyone that disagrees with them is some caricature strawman that will start chimping out the moment they drop their "brave" truths. People on both the left and the right will say the most retarded shit imaginable because they think it'll make the strawman gasp and start beating his fists on the table while he cries and says, "No no no! You can't say that!" Everyone has convinced themselves of being way more unique and important than they actually are.

>literal who, likely a plant, says something retarded
>THIS IS YOU!!
they are getting desperate with their propaganda

I denounce the Talmud
I denounce Israel
I denounce the Koran
I don't care what happens in the Ukraine when my hometown is gradually turning into a favela
I don't care about "trans rights" or BLM or abortion if I am not considered part of society for not being "diverse" or the CIA declares me a threat to society for being a white male
Trump needs to release the Epstein files or I will assume he is a pedophile and visited lolita island
Trump needs to cease all aid to Israel or I will assume he puts Israel first

>>81912095
because the smug fucking indian thing was low IQ and couldn't rebut his simple argument?? obviously?

>>81907149
Bojeet made chutney outta everyone in that room

>>81912226
>Random racist babble
He answered that faggot perfectly fine. Reality's warped for you, you seem to think being a fat pudgy white mf or a "good looking" skinwalker like the other dude is grounds enough to "win" by simply saying "YeS WeRe RaciSt!!" And disavowing your own laws. Criminal.

>>81912173
Except liberals don't do that.
Tbh even if I agree that they do and agree that they shouldn't, the truth here is obvious - you do not give a fuck about playing on an even playing field with others. You are terrified of it

>>81912275
>Except liberals don't do that.
Please, they have been complaining about "white privilege" and "racism" for decades. All of those narratives are aimed against me. And these narratives did motivate policy. That you come here and tell me that they don't do that. Like, give me a break.

>Tbh even if I agree that they do
We both know that you do. Even if you're disingenuous, you're not that stupid.

>you do not give a fuck about playing on an even playing field with others.
Of course, I want privileges. I'm not stupid. Do you really want to play on that "even" playing field of yours yourself? The truth here is obvious, indeed - you encourage me to sabotage myself so that you have the advantage. One more thing. The idea of a "even" playing in itself, is ludicrous. Life is inherently unfair and it always will be.

>>81912367
>Waaah WAAAAAH THEYRE AIMED AGAINST ME
you literally have it better than makes of any other race and still play the victim
>Of course I want privileges
Yeah ok go fuck yourself kid. Don't gaf. If you're going to try and ruin my life so yku can have it better, I have no sympathy. Enjoy.

>>81912367
Oh and
>Life is inherently unfair and always will be
Okay so why are you whining when it's unfair to you? And why do you expect others to not whine when it's unfair for them? Get over yourself faggot. Try to fuck with me and I'll do the same right back. People are losing patience with your shit, youre treading on thin ice here

I think anyone who advocates for an authoritarian government should be purged from the planet

>>81906395
Communist like Stalin were also fascist retard, you're all on the same boat that we're talking about.

>>81912425
I'm not "playing" the victim. In these narratives, I am victim. Okay? Evidently so. Are we going to pretend that the narrative of "white privilege" or "racism" is good for me?

>Yeah ok go fuck yourself kid. Don't gaf. If you're going to try and ruin my life so yku can have it better, I have no sympathy. Enjoy.
Did I insult you? Am I emotional about this? This is why I don't want to be my countryman. You are unpredictable. And, clearly, you are my enemy.

>>81912449
>Okay so why are you whining when it's unfair to you?
As opposed to what. Do you want me to accept these narratives? And the consequences that are bad for me?
>And why do you expect others to not whine when it's unfair for them?
I don't actually.
> Try to fuck with me and I'll do the same right back. People are losing patience with your shit, youre treading on thin ice here
You only expose yourself with this posturing.

>>81912425
>you literally have it better than makes of any other race
Is it a sin to have more? I do not think so.

He's just saying out loud what 100% of the republican party thinks

>>81912695
Yawn what an insufferable group of faggots that call others insufferable >>81912511
>Did I insult you?!? Oh I'm the bigger man!
You will use ANY fucking excuse to disenfranchise others. At this point I'm done. There's only one way to deal with you faggots and I hope the Jeet in charge of the FBI is keeping tabs on you to round you all up once trump inevitably falls from power.

>>81906362 (OP)
Is there anything good you trannies like about trump?

>>81912803
>Yawn what an insufferable group of faggots that call others insufferable
I don't get it.

>You will use ANY fucking excuse to disenfranchise others.
I want a nation for my people. I'm in the right. In terms of this argument. But more importantly: Morally, too.

> There's only one way to deal with you faggots and I hope the Jeet in charge of the FBI is keeping tabs on you to round you all up once trump inevitably falls from power.
You only expose yourself with those threats. You can't threaten me. I'm morally in the right.

>>81912868
>You expose yourself!
>Random meaningless words
You aren't morally in the right. You just care about yourself and that's that. That's the end of your 'morality'. Fuck you.
>I want a nation for my people!
If you're the same guy that claimed that there's nothing wrong with wanting more, then brace for it. You stole your land from the natives and doomed them to extinction. Nobody cares anymore, the only one exposed for what they are here is you.

>>81907149
This is the MAGA cult my friend, it's all emotional reactionary bullshit. No brainpower required or wanted.

>>81907149
Stupid people dont like having their world view or beliefs challenged so they accept the most insane bullshit as long as it lines up with what they think
It takes Herculean mental effort to overcome indoctrination

He's problem is not tgat he's a Fascist, it's that he's not and is some faggot Catholic.

>>81912367
>Please, they have been complaining about "white privilege" and "racism" for decades. All of those narratives are aimed against me. And these narratives did motivate policy. That you come here and tell me that they don't do that. Like, give me a break.
except whites have not been negatively affected by any of those policies in any measurable way.
they are still a majority in every field.
> The idea of a "even" playing in itself, is ludicrous. Life is inherently unfair and it always will be.
You fundamentally misunderstand the concept of the even playing field. An even playing field lets those differences flourish, an uneven playing field only favors a deliberately chosen set of characteristics. The uneven playing field you are proposing is the utter opposite of "natural".
>He won the argument, he made sense.
No, he didn't, at all.
You are already making a mistake of analysis in which you judge his ideas "good" and that "admitting to be a fascist shuts down his irrational shaming of the idea". Which isn't an argument that was made. He contradicted multiple times. Fascist ideology is stupid, he contradicted himself in many points. He outed himself as someone who would support the killing of everyone who disagrees with him. The shaming isn't rooted in a hollow presumption of "fascism = bad" it is based on the understanding of the irrationality of the ideology. But you are unable to grasp that.

>>81912884
>You aren't morally in the right. You just care about yourself and that's that. That's the end of your 'morality'. Fuck you.
I care about my people as an ideal. You can believe me or not. What do you believe in?
> If you're the same guy that claimed that there's nothing wrong with wanting more, then brace for it.
Yep, that is me. And yes, it's okay to have more. Why should it not be?
>You stole your land from the natives and doomed them to extinction.
They were at war with themselves. Often they were the ones that provoked the European settlers. But I agree that, if the Indians wished for it, there should be a settlement and that is a state for them. Also, conquest is not "theft" or a crime in itself. Otherwise, you'd have to condemn the conquest that Europeans were subjected to, as well. Are you willing to do that?

>>81912885
Ironic. Now apply it to more than whatever group gets you grumpy.

He hit the wall so hard

>>81912954
>It takes Herculean mental effort to overcome indoctrination
their collectivism is utterly irrational. it leads them to make the most astonishing conclusions, which are then contradicted by reality, but they will still hold them, because their ideology requires them to do so.
>>81912989
are you the retard who made the distinction between "skin color" and "a people"? because it'd be hilarious if you are.

>>81912989
>What do you believe in?
I believe in not treating people who dehumanize me with any sort of importance.
Use that middling "superior" 100 IQ of yours and think about this for two seconds. Noone has to take any of this seriously and not simply act the same way towards you. You think you have the right to question and tear down and nitpick everyone else but are immune from criticism. I really don't give a fuck about you. The easiest way to deal with animals like you is to treat you like animals, not humans. Filth.

>>81912967
>except whites have not been negatively affected by any of those policies in any measurable way.
The end of segregation was the end of our independence. And from the God given right to determine our own destiny as a people.
>they are still a majority in every field.
A majority that is shrinking. From 90% to 60% in 30 years.
> An even playing field lets those differences flourish, an uneven playing field only favors a deliberately chosen set of characteristics.
Why can't we have an even "playing field" for groups instead of for individuals. Then, I'd be more open to a compromise.
>He contradicted himself
The core of his argument is solid. If I'm being antagonized for who I am, then why should I not want to reverse this? Why should I not be in the right, morally, to defend myself with the means that I am attacked with? It's eye for an eye.
>who would support the killing of everyone who disagrees with him
He did not say that.
>irrationality of the ideology.
I vibe with irrationality. Because I am a human.

>>81913068
>Im being antagonized for who I am because I get 5% less while having to watch other people be treated human
Kek die faggot. I'm fine with white people, I generally like them more than most races, but scum like you I cannot stand.

>>81908786
...white...american, some french or swedish heritage?

>>81913005
>are you the retard who made the distinction between "skin color" and "a people"? because it'd be hilarious if you are.
Yes, this was me.

>>81913027
>*cries about dehumanization*
>*calls me an animal*
I mean, technically, I am an animal, yes. I'm not a Christian that deludes himself. Despite that when did I dehumanize you? Did I insult you? I called you my enemy, because you are. Evidently. And by your own choice, I remind you.

>>81908702
When did he say he was a fascist?

>>81913077
It is not about subsidies for me. It's about the right to have a nation. To be independent and determine my own destiny. All I get from you people is insults and threats. One of those days, you'll reap what you have sown. And I'll be in the right, morally.

>>81906366
He's not, he just supports whatever Trump says.

>>81913068
>A majority that is shrinking. From 90% to 60% in 30 years.
you have to justify why this is bad.
>Why can't we have an even "playing field" for groups instead of for individuals. Then, I'd be more open to a compromise.
because groups in the way you claim them to be do not exist. There are no monoliths, "a people" is an ideal, you even admitted so. One that is incompatible with reality, and has been so throughout the entirety of human history. You are unable to recognize this fact, there is no discussion to be had here, because you aren't being rational.
I run out of characters to keep going here.
>The core of his argument is solid. If I'm being antagonized for who I am, then why should I not want to reverse this?
this is incredibly weak. A simple rebuttal would be "do onto others what you would want to be done onto you". You aren't offering a more moral alternative, you are simply furthering a morally corrupt system to satisfy your interest, your own premise even starts with the admission of this being an immoral system. It is hypocritical. You are like that nigger who says "corruption is not bad when I'M involved" yeah, no fucking shit, Sherlock.
>He did not say that.
he did. He stated "I would not be one of the people who would be killed", at no point did he defend the right of his detractors to NOT be killed. He was pushed on this issue, and his own internal contradictions caused him so physically squirm and recoil to reconcile his politics with his "Christianity", which lead to him conceding by saying "I don't want the dignity of anyone being negatively affected", which is in direct contrast to his "Friend/Enemy" false dichotomy.
>i'M hUmAn
it is exactly for this reason that we must walk towards truth and rationality, for it is the only thing that makes us human, instead of amoral animals.
If you defend such irrationality, then, once again, there's no conversation to be had, your own ideas make it impossible.

>>81913128
ooh i love these things. basically, your saying you are right, but you dont have to...prove it or anything, or even do anything. you just automatically win! me too buddy, i also believe im morally and ethically in the right and history will definitely vindacate me. lets have a pre-emptive winning party, right now! YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY WE ARE THE WINNNNERS

NO TIME FOR LOSERS

BECAUSE WE ARE THE CHAMPIONS

OF THE WOOOOOOORLLLLLLDDDDD*

*after we die and history vindicates us. i was gonna post a bunch of jets flying over like, red and white and blue smoke stripes or something but shit, that takes effort, i just chose a random image in my downloads folder

>>81908984
>STOP TALKING ABOUT THE PRESIDENT WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>81906362 (OP)
Their political disposition is actually extremely popular with Americans. Like legit over 50% of US citizens think this way. Not very difficult to find people like this irl at all. Terrifying stuff, really.

>>81913165
>I run out of characters to keep going here.
>>81913106
to keep going.
Throughout history none of these groups have been neither racially nor ethnically monoliths, not even in their beliefs, they have changed and evolved with context and time, not just now in modern times, but always.
The group requires the submission of the individual to the collective. It oppresses more it's own members than it does other groups. As YOU just displayed, you are willing to make compromises with other groups, yet the group is not willing to make compromises with members of it's own group. It demands the the renouncement of freedom of all members within the group, for it does not allow for expressions of freedom that go against the arbitrariness of the group, it ascribes the renouncement of the self in favor of the group identity. Something that is incoherent with that same human nature you like to defend so much.

>>81913274
Where do you people come from?

>>81913165
>you have to justify why this is bad.
I did in a prior post.
>because groups in the way you claim them to be do not exist.
I make them exist. Do you believe I'm the only who has the opinions that I do? I'll materialize the ideal. Even outside of my own race, those groups do exist.
>"do onto others what you would want to be done onto you"
I'm not a Christian. I do onto other how they did onto me. And this is fair.
>It is hypocritical.
I'm not a hypocrite in any way.
>I would not be one of the people who would be killed
The Indian put these words into his mouth. I do not believe that he would want to kill. He said that Franco was in the right only when he was fighting combatants. Which I agree with. You judge him very selectively.
> If you defend such irrationality, then, once again, there's no conversation to be had, your own ideas make it impossible.
What a endearing monologue. Are you a computer? Are you "rational"? Perfectly? I know of the limits of rationality. I acknowledge them. That is the difference. But it's a question of philosophy that I don't care very much about.

>>81906362 (OP)
i mean, a gay radical communist could run right now and hey, atleast they arnt a pedophile. id be fine with that

>>81913279
>Throughout history none of these groups have been neither racially nor ethnically monoliths, not even in their beliefs, they have changed and evolved with context and time, not just now in modern times, but always.
Yes, and I'll square the circle and make a group of my own. I make you acknowledge it. And this'll be the new thing.
>The group requires the submission of the individual to the collective.
To a degree that is reasonable, yes. I do not think that is bad.
>Something that is incoherent with that same human nature you like to defend so much.
I'm not arguing from nature. It is a fallacy.

>>81913301
>The Indian put these words into his mouth.
nope, those came out of his own mouth.
>I know of the limits of rationality. I acknowledge them. That is the difference.
this isn't an argument, it's a nothingburger. The limits of rationality are not even close to what you claim them to be. And you still have to justify why this is out of it's limits.
>I make them exist. Do you believe I'm the only who has the opinions that I do? I'll materialize the ideal. Even outside of my own race, those groups do exist.
no. you do not. Nobody across human history has done so, it's been tried many times, but reality does not change no matter how much you wish for it to do so.
the very phrase "I make them exist" is antithetical to collectivism. For it should be "we" make them exist. And as I have proved before, this has never been the case. These groups do not exist in reality. They might in your mind, but, when tested, they crumble apart. As freedom is inherent to humans.
>I'm not a Christian. I do onto other how they did onto me. And this is fair.
did I say you were? Is my argument dependent on you being a Christian? No.
So try again.
>I'm not a hypocrite in any way.
and yet, you don't offer a counter to what I pointed out. I am only left to assume that you are unable to, in which case the label stands.
>>81913361
oh god...
the fallacy of nature consists of claiming that something is morally correct because it is natural. I did not claim that a natural thing is more moral, I claimed it is inevitable.
>To a degree that is reasonable, yes. I do not think that is bad.
it doesn't matter what you think, according to your own worldview. If the group deems you bad, that is what you are. Your judgements are inconsequential to the group.
>Yes, and I'll square the circle and make a group of my own. I make you acknowledge it. And this'll be the new thing.
lol
lmao, even

>>81913291
Depends on what you mean by "you people," I'm in AZ fwiw

>>81906362 (OP)
>>81908470
>>81908533
Post recent photos of le chud face

>>81908601
>>81910359
>>81912839
Right wing meme lords have to dredge up decades old cherry picked photos to make their version of a counter argument.


I'm with OP. These salt-right freaks look like lumpy flyover state retards.

>>81913438
You came from reddit right?

>>81907149
Trump made it non-tabboo for right wingers to outright re-write history, science and definition. His "fake news" meme was really just the beginning. These people are really just schizo cultist at this point acting out and are ultimately why the right in America's inevitable collapse is approaching.

>>81913526
I think that rewriting definitions is a natural phenomena.
I'm not even a leftoid. But these people truly are schizos.

>>81913423
>Is my argument dependent on you being a Christian?
Yes, your argument is taken verbatim from Jesus' Sermon on the Mount.
> Nobody across human history has done so, it's been tried many times, but reality does not change no matter how much you wish for it to do so.
Many of the European states were founded on nationalism. On the desire of a people, such as the Germans or the Poles, to have a nation of their own. Even Russia in the 1990s, which is very recent, was founded on nationalism.
>and yet, you don't offer a counter to what I pointed out. I am only left to assume that you are unable to, in which case the label stands.
What am I hypocritical about?
>the fallacy of nature consists of claiming that something is morally correct because it is natural. I did not claim that a natural thing is more moral, I claimed it is inevitable.
Yes, I know what that is. I was not accusing you of that. I was clarifying that I'm not arguing from a nature POV.
>hey might in your mind, but, when tested, they crumble apart. As freedom is inherent to humans.
Yes, wanting to be free is inherent to humans. But so is the desire to belong. Those are not mutually exclusive. But you'd have to make a compromise, which I am willing to do. I'm not a totalitarian. I don't know why you think this.

>>81906362 (OP)
This is what happens to people who are fat their whole lives. Being a social reject your whole life and something about burning the village to feel it's warmth

>>81913077
Whites don't need to treat you any type of way. You only live in whatever white country you're living in because they let you. They could just as well make you go back to living in a non-white country again

>>81913510
No? I came from the catalog.

>>81913586
You're going to make people born in America move to a foreign country?
You're braindead. Like ive said before, trash like you just won't be taken seriously by most people which is why you need to get violent.

>>81913536
>Yes, your argument is taken verbatim from Jesus' Sermon on the Mount.
how does it that make it dependent on you being a Christian? I am not appealing to Jesus' authority. I am posing that particular framework in opposition to yours, you have to defend your framewrok in it's own merits.
> I was not accusing you of that. I was clarifying that I'm not arguing from a nature POV.
then there is no sense to your argument of human nature. For it's observably not the case and therefore inevitable. You appealed to nature before I did. Defend it.
>Many of the European states were...
so? this doesn't prove the existence of the monolithic entity of "nation" as you have defined it. Most of those regimes fell, and lead to untold levels of suffering.
Yes, the idea of a monolithic nation was used in those movements, it was wrong, very clearly. This should be obvious to you. I am claiming that those ideas were flawed. You aren't offering a defense for them, history proves my point, not yours.
>What am I hypocritical about?
on this
>You aren't offering a more moral alternative(...) (...) "corruption is not bad when I'M involved" yeah, no fucking shit, Sherlock.
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> But so is the desire to belong. Those are not mutually exclusive.
Finally! something we agree on. See, the issue is that your framework does necessarily exclude human freedom. As I have justified for 3 posts now, and you still haven't addressed.
You even admitted to this being a positive thing in your worldview.
You see now why you don't make sense?
> I'm not a totalitarian. I don't know why you think this.
because you are defending a fascist, who declared himself an autocrat.

>>81913658
>and therefore inevitable
not*

>>81913658
>how does it that make it dependent on you being a Christian? I am not appealing to Jesus' authority. I am posing that particular framework in opposition to yours, you have to defend your framework in it's own merits.
Because I don't believe in the Christian heaven. So why should I betray my own self-interest? For no reason..
>Most of those regimes fell, and lead to untold levels of suffering.
The systems of government changed. But there is a nation of Germany or Poland that persisted. I want a nation for Europeans in America.
>Yes, the idea of a monolithic nation was used in those movements, it was wrong, very clearly.
No, it was not. They were in the right.
>because you are defending a fascist, who declared himself an autocrat.
An autocrat is not totalitarian..

>>81913165
If you don't think distinct seperate groups of people exist you have to be either purposely deluding yourself or be really dumb

>>81913719
>An autocrat is not totalitarian..
he declared himself a fascist, which is totalitarian. Collectivism does require totalitarianism, the distinction of "autocracy" is merely one of quantity.
> So why should I betray my own self-interest? For no reason..
I don't argue on basis of salvation, I argue on the basis of morality.
I could even argue that your worldview makes it more likely to have your self-interest disregarded by those in power, therefore making it inconsistent.
>The systems of government changed. But there is a nation of Germany or Poland that persisted. I want a nation for Europeans in America.
a nation which is not ideologically, ethnically, racially, religiously, genetically nor philosophically monolithic. And therefore, not in accordance with the conceptualization of "nation" or "volk" proposed by fascist ideologies. The "nations" did change, for their definitions are no longer the same.
>No, it was not. They were in the righ
and yet you offer no reasoning to justify it. Once more, I am only left to assume you can't.
Anon, I'm getting tired. You clearly can't defend your claims. You don't even offer a justification for them. Thanks for proving that you are not a serious person, and that your ideology isn't logical either.

>>81913749
>If you don't think distinct seperate groups of people exist you have to be either purposely deluding yourself or be really dumb
is that the claim I made? no. you are a retard. not worth my attention until you are able to understand what I said.

>>81907149
They were hand picked for the jeet to "win" by constantly disrupting them to make them feel pressured so they make stupid arguments

>>81910105
>>81910282

In Ireland, you can vote for many parties. And they all five you the same outcome also. LOL
Theoretically it works, but in practice, it doesn't
Any party that is genuine will be shut out of the conversation which is a crucial part of democracy. So they are never recognised by the public

When they say "our democracy" they mean their democracy. It's a scam
The public never wanted mass immigration in Ireland, yet we have one of the highest rates of it in Europe. You are not allowed to say no. How in any way is this so called "democracy" representing the people?

>>81912497
fascists merely stole communist talking points and aesthetics while not putting any of what they said into practice

>>81906362 (OP)
this guy would break down if you gave him acid