as much as I know about twenty five of you probably just screamed ragebait at the top of your lungs surprisingly it ISNT so hear ye hear ye anons because i wanna post this at three thirty am and mayhaps check it in the morning or not like someone coming out of mania. i know incel culture specifically revolves around how women suck and are why men id say we but i fucking hate dykes and would rather die than accidentally reference myself as one cant get laid and what im about to say will punch the pick me label on my forehead so fast it will blow my mind but i genuinely believe it. see here i used to once believe that women might be okay maybe it was just a mindset. until fucking women such as
my mom
my abusive ex yeah i dated a woman. it was the worst time ever. abusive dyke stereotype is real.
a groomer was a woman. same timeframe.
fucking get to just. rape me. or groom me. or abuse me. and get the hell away with it. and it made me become incelpilled. i fell down the rabbit hole of being able to realize how much woman get to rule society and do whatever the hell they want SOLEY because theyre hot or have whatever big features a guy likes. and whenever its a guy whos a victim GUESS WHAT. ITS SOMEHOW HIS FAULT CAUSE WOMAN ARE TOO INNOCENT AND PRETTY TO DO THAT. literally all women do example my mom is cry rape or harassment whenever they hate a guy and ruin his life or use being a man against him SOLEY because of his gender AND IT SOMEHOW WORKS BECAUSE WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY THATS GENUINELY RETARDED. so am i sexist against myself and my own yes yes i am. and i will continue to be until society can go back to the good old days of being able to legally beat the shot out of a woman and nobody cares because they deserve it with all the shit they do nowadays like being totally retarded assholes and using the pretty face to get away with it. woman genuinely need to learn to be subservient to men again. photo is how i feel. there im done. fuck foids. kek.

>>81915627 (OP)
none of this was fucking coherent nona
yes, we are all here because we hate being female theres nothing really profound about it.

Can lesbos become incels or are they just femcels even tho they like women?

>>81915627 (OP)
its true but i however wont resent women because theres a lot of factors at play including spiritual ones
i love women, i loved them since i was little and i will love them and hug kiss cuddle and sex them hnnnggg

i am misogynistic in a different way fellow femanon
that's weird that you want women to be beat up i don't agree but i think society should be more egalitarian. i wish there were no men or women

>>81915627 (OP)
no offense but this is kind of retarded asf, there are evil people in either gender, male or female

>>81915682
You are just a delusional retarded faggot.

Women are really good when they are good. Sweet and caring and all that. I've met some great women in my lifetime by they are rare unfortunately

>>81915627 (OP)
>woman genuinely need to learn to be subservient to men again
That won't ever happen, they never learned it in the first place, men simply contained them because they had to. Women never, ever willingly co-operated with men.

>>81915721
i know you're more delusional and retarded than me

>>81915627 (OP)
And then they wonder why I separate Yuri from the mental illness of IRL.
However, are there even normal lesbians at this point? I remember a friend I had and she was basically a horny teenage boy in the body of a woman. Sexually harassing anything in her way and not realising she would be in deep trouble if her gender was reversed.
In a way, Lesbians tend to hate women the most, realistically.

>>81915627 (OP)
Since you recognize that women get to victimize men for free and generally just exert social control, why dont you go do that? Why dont you just go and do whatever you can to abuse your pussy privilege?
also uhh..as a side note Im a deranged asocial schizoid if that interests you..

>>81915776
She cannot do that to other women Anon.

>>81915776
>why dont you go do that?
some females in the 120-130 IQ range have enough self-awareness to calculate the outcome of their behavior

>>81915627 (OP)
holy based, you're one of the good 'uns. maybe we'll let you live a relatively free life.

>>81915671
nah, they still have it a billion times easier to find a partner.
they also still have the opportunity to pretend to be straight and find a partner.
there is nothing "in-" about their condition, they are just "-cel", female (vol-) -cels, femcels.

im very aware it isnt coherent, this is what a lack of sleep and pent up rant energy does sadly. the point of rant was idk actually, gender was stated because ppl think fems cant be incels without being femcels so idk. ur point stands tho

>>81915648
repost because im retarded and cant reply correctly its 5 am
im very aware it isnt coherent, this is what a lack of sleep and pent up rant energy does sadly. the point of rant was idk actually, gender was stated because ppl think fems cant be incels without being femcels so idk. ur point stands tho

>>81915671
idk but i dont talk to dykes so idk man. might be a tiktok question since that place is filled with them.

>>81915788
wouldnt it only benefit you though?

>>81915841
I think you idealise lesbians a bit too much. The OP should tell you lots already.
Imagine being a lesbian, you like the feminine form, you like women that are genuinely women. But then your entire pool is mentally ill abusive fags, women desperately wanting to be men, or ugly trannies invading your space.
It is not the same hell as boys, but it is still hell nonetheless.

>>81915858
We already know women cels exist. Being a social failure or whatever bullshit can hit anyone really.

>>81915718
yea thats fair. women r more retarded tho. hashtag fuck women. i mean what gender is the gender that is known for being popular and rude af for no reason when all theyre gonna do is end up being on of someday

>>81915738
this sounds like clickbait to me anon, perhaps to good to be true if you will.

>>81915881
oh please most are not on of
i assume people who say this are porn addicts

>>81915741
well then they need to learn how to. if a retard like me can i think they can. do we need to get like a massive tv screen and gather earth population and brainwash them or smth? or was that made illegal after ww2

>>81915751
it took me a second to realize you werent a dyke but once i understand your comment anon and saw miku i knew that you couldnt be a bad comment because idk. but yeah no jesus lesbians being cruel to their own gender is actually the most accurate thing ever because they legit cannot be normal ever. also real statement about yuri i do the same

>>81915741
Can i post this on r/nothowgirlswork please, if i get past the mods it will be hilarous

>>81915841
Tbf there's a huge amount of fat gorlocks who are lesbian misandrists, so they're 100% in-

>>81915776
i would love to be able to have that pretty pussy privilege but its hard to find men old enough and who agree with the same ideologies as you in this day and age. besides i wouldnt do that to the superior gender. would maybe abuse my innocent girl privilege on woman sfw style but thats abt it. u never kno whos a lesbo these days tho.

also..thats so awesome sauce of you anon..winky face

>>81915783
the only thing i do to other woman is either avoid them all together or judge them silently nowadays

>>81915788
idk where you got the image from anon but it had brought keks. thank you. and you have a good point. i do have high iq to know i should never dare to harm the superior gender

>>81915908
You will never truly know what I am. The tone of people online is becoming too neutral to discern.
Jokes aside, your rant does make sense and it is also not helped by the fact some people will have by luck, a great female example in their life with integrity, but then realise nobody around them lives up to that standard. It is a special kind of hell.
I do think women are more cruel to one another than men are and it is sort of rooted in the way we compete on things. I am sure you already noticed but while men tend to one up one another, women seek to crush the opposition instead. In a way they want to look down at all time, never up.
But once again, we know exceptions exist, but it does not remove from the reality of things.

>>81915867
that or you get raped by your mom and like fifteen other different trannies and women who have too much something in them. your comment speaks levels though, very based

>>81915894
you sound like a woman. this displeases me foid. get out of here with your becky feminist bullshit

>>81915918
jesus abusive ex was a fat gorlock and this comment reminded me of her. jesus being a lesbo fucks your mind up. dont be a child who tries being a fag.

>>81915627 (OP)
You won't date any of us what's the point

>>81915939
EXACTLY THIS. if i could exclamation mark i would. most woman just have such a desire to be such hateful and spiteful people, filled with selfish rage and simply wanting to be on top with no friendly meaning to it. and god forbid it gets lesbian. when they get lesbian, they get nasty. this makes no sense at five am but fuck it we ballin. srsly though they just genuinely are so mindlessly obsessed with being on top and using others it bewilders me.
And you are right, i will never know. but what i do know is

>>81915969
I think the point is the rant. Venting out helps in general. Also who knows, this simple anon getting mad might inspire another.

>>81915896
You're not hearing me. They can't. They are physically incapable of it.

>>81915914
Do whatever you like, I haven't finished that hypothesis though so it's easy to poke holes into and make fun of. At this stage it just reads like rambling.

I'm currently looking up mammals with a degenerated Y chromosomes (XO/XO) and their mate rejection patterns, but there's only a few of them and most of them are isolated and critically endangered so no one ever did any comprehensive studies on their behavior patterns, they did find out however that even without a Y chromosome, they have distinct male traits as the SRY gene(maleness) just hopped to the X chromosome and they still have very different female and male brain chemistry
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6347839/

>>81915937
that's Janice Fiamengo, a Canadian professor who researched the early history of feminism and came to the conclusion that it wasn't anything more than a siege ideology to harass men with. She got the Erin Pizzey treatment and receives death threats from women up until this day.

>>81915969
because because because because because because because because idk. that wasnt my point silly goose. the reason i posted this was because i care to find people who can understand me not find a kiss buddy. assume what you want tho, legally i cant stop u

>>81915627 (OP)
Congrats on realizing one of society's objective truths. Now enjoy not being able to express even 1/10th of these thoughts irl without having everyone berate you and ostracize you.

It's so fucking obvious how many advantages women have in society these days and you can't ever speak about it. It makes dating an absolute nightmare. I'm very big on being open and honest with people I date, but I have to never bring anything like this up because I'll immediately get labeled an incel. Instead, I just keep it bottled up and as a result, can't really open up or get emotionally attached to anyone else.

I just want a girl who can fucking admit that it's way fucking easier being a girl than a guy. Anyone who can't realize that is completely oblivious to the male experience and I wouldn't feel like they could ever understand me. I wish I could go back to being naive about it and just dating women and being like "haha both women and men have problems, they're just different teehee", but I can't. I've seen too much. I've experienced too much. There's no going back for me.

>>81915981
i misinterpreted the original comment apologies then. this is an interesting hypothesis tho will have to read it sumtime when im not exhausted. women harassment can be brutal, yikes

>>81915952
yes i am a woman, and you sound like a 16 year old girl

>>81915978
i dont know what i might inspire but if its something against foids i support it. also yea ur right

>>81916011
Inspire them to rant and talk of course. I am rarely here, but when I see someone struggle I feel compelled to check the thread out and give ideas or help out. People need to stop being mean to one another overall. I do tell others to kill themselves but I still care about my anon.

>>81916001
I feel you anon. genuinely even if i hate women i have to admit we have it better even if i hate women with a misogynistic passion. i feel bad for u tho, i do hope u can find someone who u can be open with and share the same views with, because in separate points ive been there having to bottle up views for stuff and its so annoying like at school or in convos or online so i dont get jumped on normienet. ignorance is bliss they say.

>>81916027
thank you fellow anon, appreciate this and the picture, very cool and very thoughtful of you. hope you have a life full of whimsy and keks

>>81916042
Nah my life is pretty miserable all in all, however I did travel around the world and so on when most people in my country do not even live their district.
But that is precisely why helping others out and inspiring them is a good thing. When we know what misery is, if we have a modicum of empathy and not constantly in the mindset of a crab in a bucket, we want to make sure no one else has to go through that.
Alas, most people do not do that and that goes double for women.

>>81916072
you speak some heavy truth here anon, if only more people knew it. i hope life gets better for you dude, you seem super cool so you deserve it, i would say smth more detailed but its five twenty am i havent slept in a minute so my mind is mush, my bad. still i wish you the best man

>>81915981
It's genuinely hilarious how women just want to return to being eaten by tigers

>>81916086
You should consider going to sleep anon. This place will not disappear you can just make another thread later.
Thanks for the encouragement, but I find it easier to help others than help myself frankly. But we all do right?

>>81916090
Not "want", compelled to. If they simply wanted it you could argue with them and convince them to see reason.

>>81915627 (OP)
>until society can go back to the good old days of being able to legally beat the shot out of a woman and nobody cares
Never happened. We collectively failed the shit test of giving women rights and you're still falling for the cries of "he hurt me".

>>81916275
The only real problem with the theory of women hating modern society is that they enjoy most of the flourishes it begets, for example consumer spending is almost entirely driven by women

>>81916539
>The only real problem with the theory of women hating modern society is that they enjoy most of the flourishes it begets
Are they doing anything to preserve that social contract or are they merely picking the fruits that it produces?

>>81916670
Mostly picking fruits obviously but i also think women contribute more to society than most people on this board

>>81916685
Women produce very little, most of their contribution is managerial work and services, which merely reshuffles resources that were actually produced by an unseen, mostly male labor force.

>>81916703
We are unironically a post-scarcity society, the vast majority of men do completely useless work aswell, also teaching and healthcare are very female dominated (although healthcare is kinda pointless as it currently works)

>>81916685
and this also doesn't answer my question, simply clocking in to count beans doesn't mean that they consciously or subconsciously work towards maintaining good relations with men. There's practically no women who does that, if anything they do the exact opposite at every opportunity.

>>81916716
Prostitutes but good gender relations aren't really necessary for a society, larger succesful societies are built on tearing up family bonds for a larger group identity (not doing this is why the middle east is dogshit)

>>81916748
>post-scarcity society(silicon valley hallucination/pipe dream)
>good gender relations aren't really necessary for a society
> tearing up family bonds for a larger group identity

Jewish/female magical thinking. I'm not going to reply to you any further because you are literally my enemy and this conversation will lead to nowhere.

>>81916795
By post-scarcity i mean that some 1-2% of the population works in agriculture, a further 10-20% do some sort of manufacturing work and the rest put numbers into excel sheets, the economy is already absurdly fake which is why i dont care much about ai

I just stay away from Women when I can now, they've been poisoned. I'll stay inside and watch society collapse and I'll probably die due to the shots or smartdust or some weather control bullshit the government comes up with

>believes incel ideology
So you're a pick-me. Thanks for letting everyone know. Pick-mes are the worst women to date, and I will never date a pick-me again. They're even worse than the women they criticize.

>>81917091
>>believes incel ideology
>So you're a pick-me.
no guy says pick-me you retarded foid

>>81915627 (OP)
>so am i sexist against myself
Based and misogyny pilled, you're one of the rare good ones*, keep being yourself

*jk, there are no good ones, even though you rightfully assess that women are evil, you are still inherently evil yourself and would ruin a man's life in a heartbeat, even if unintentionally

>>81915627 (OP)
Read "One Flew Over the Cuckoos Nest". Don't watch the movie.

Finally, a good fucking thread, the wisest men and women reject the current system.

You can't fight your own nature, no one can. Why do you think people get so upset when they see someone so different? You see people here getting upset about transgenders, black and browns, (((foids and moids))), etc. Ask yourself, what purpose does this serve?

Truly I say to you, anyone reading this should plants seeds of doubt in others minds irl, not on this board. There is no point of preaching to the choir.

>>81915627 (OP)
>what im about to say will punch the pick me label on my forehead so fast it will blow my mind
Being a 'pick me' isn't actually bad. That's just peer pressure from other women to hinder critical thinking. Women as a whole would probably be more decent if more of them were like you and other "pick mes".

>>81918513
>Being a 'pick me' isn't actually bad. That's just peer pressure from other women to hinder critical thinking. Women as a whole would probably be more decent if more of them were like you and other "pick mes".
NO YOU HAVE TO BE CAT LADY LIKE ME! FUCK YOU

>>81915627 (OP)
I hate women like you more than most women because you have a stereotype of what an "incel" should be and what look/sound they should fit.
End it whore.

>>81915627 (OP)
>im born female
stopped reading there

I've been here on r9k since 2018.
Not once since then have i seen proof of a female being here (show real timestamp proof, shoe on head and no AI) let alone someone who is in support of whatever psyop is happening in this world to bring average men down.

Ive been posting myself for people to ridicule and see since 2020 before there was a "no selfie rule" here.

I'm convinced every attempt of a poster to imply they are female by using any:
>foid here
>my bf
>"moids should X..."
Are simply zoomer men who do not know how to have fun or what to do with their life's.
Semi failed normies who thinks it's fun to group rape others, spend all day "psyoping". Not uttering a single word or phrase that is genuinely coming from them and their hearts.
Everything is just LARP because these 18 to 25 year old men can't cope with their life.

Trust me there are other ways to cope, being a 34 khhv myself who thought this r9k was a good opportunity to talk to other real mental/vol/involuntarily virgins.

Those hopes have been shattered a long time ago now and your thread OP, your thread is just another stone in this pond.

Stop talking and start showing yourself or you do not exists.

>>81915627 (OP)
Incels are men who can't get sex. it's not an ideology

>>81915627 (OP)
Can you format this, this is unreadable. Use an LLM if you have to.

I hate other women I hate other women I hate other women not even because of what you typed OP, because, in the end, I've come to accept how all individuals can worm their way into doing evil. It's unfortunate and sick for sure. But it's more a personal thing for me. I HATE how women ACT and TALK and EVERYTHING. Fake kindness, this act of trying to be cutesy and silly and different, I CANNOT STAND IT. They're all egotistical whores that the entire world falls to their whims. Everyone I care about will fall victim to loving a woman. They enjoy having this power to take everyone from you. God they just seriously piss me off, normies are braindead NPCs that are just programmed for nothing and are useless and worthless, but then there are the women who think they're quirky and cute and into unique things. They will treat anyone like shit the instant you see them for what they really are. They enjoy taking everyone you love away from you. They have these retarded fake interests just to attract attention. They are attention hungry stupid fucking femoids. Whenever I see a girl post a video of herself or photo I genuinely feel disgusted.

It's probably bad to think this way. But it is what it is. I don't want praise or recognition, like some people might think. It's really unhealthy to feel this way. But FUCK I hate them. So. Much. They repeat stupid shit they hear of tiktok and twitter, they aren't funny, they don't have anything of value to say thoughtfully. They're shallow whores. I hate everyone though, I'm probably just a schizoid or something I hate men too but it's a general everyone in the world sucks problem there's just specifics I can point to. But yeah.

>>81915627 (OP)
yea sorry your mom and ex abused you or whatever but that's not an excuse to abuse other women in turn

>>81916499
idk what the very last part means but i dont hashtag do anything when women complain abt situations like that nor do i care if im in situations like that

>>81915627 (OP)
i hope all bisexual women get abusive dykes i hate bi women so much

>>81917091
you might just be a foid the way you phrase this. also i mean tbf i just was saying i believe in incelism if you will idk how it makes me pick me but thats okay anon, i cant make everyone happy

>>81917112
i understand what you mean anon. i suck in my own ways so im sure ur still right even abt the last part. i can accept this

>>81917461
i will do this, thank you anon

>>81918003
that is indeed my purpose in life, except im a socially retarded person so i do it more on normienet where the beckys and chads can hate on me for it. but thank you for the kind words anon

>>81918580
thats okay anon, i hate that fact too

>>81918547
its okay anon, while i dont actually hate myself to end it based off this comment, if i were to end it it would be to screw with other people like the average edgelord. but no, i dont necessarily think all incels are the same, if anything my opinions on what makes a man hot usually have made me get laughed at the rare times i had friends years and years ago. but yeah, its all cool anon. i spread my ideas, not hate

>>81918513
i will consider this, considering my exhaustion fried brain hadnt considered that pick me is a foid made term. but i suppose i meant more of the ones who are seen as the annoying ones, but still. women still suck either way.

Holy paragraph, no reading a woman's drivel.

>>81918718
while i hate to show my face in a place like 4chan, ill do so on..gulp..discord. i probably have some alt i can violate all the internet safety things i was taught and show myself. anyhow, you can believe me or not, thats up to you anon. the reason im here is because apparently women thought they wanted to treat me like a fraction of how they treat men and i from there slowly unraveled it all. anyways, i hope you have a good day anon filled with keks

>>81918822
idk if its a foid who wrote that or someone who hasnt well versed themselves but the way this is phrased makes me sadly believe its the former. anyhow id do some research on the holiness on what incelism is about and maybe come back to me in about slightly less than 2 years time

>>81918858
yeah mb, first time threading here and it was so late trying to get past the nonascii rule had me going a wee bit nuts. idk how i can format it now but if anyone can tell me as im retarded id love that thank you

>>81919047
idk if since u say other women u too are a girl like me in a similar boat as me but i feel you. i relate to this comment. since you say you dont want to be this way i do hope you feel better, but sadly being pilled is something you cant cure

Trying to answer to everyone on the thread is a chore, especially if you come back hours later, a lot of people might be gone already.

>>81919080
is this a foid.. anyways either way even if i dont abuse women myself i can still hate them from the sidelines right, right..

>>81920347
Yeah I'm a girl too, I probably should have made it clearer, when I say I don't want to be this way I mean that it's just not good mentally to feel this way always, but you are right, being pilled is just a reality and you don't really decide it, I'm glad that other people exist that feel this way tho

>>81920119
me too anon me too, i do in fact agree with this statement

>>81920358
I have no life I be refreshing the catalogue

>>81920262
yeah you know what thats valid if this were another post not made by me i wouldnt either

>>81915627 (OP)
>believes in genuine incel ideology
could you define this a bit? i know it's difficult to break down an entire idealogy into a simple text reply but i'm just curious as to what exactly you believe in
there's a lot of varied opinions and beliefs within the incel community, what ones do you identify with in particular?

>>81920358
oh god yeah it definitely is, tis why i have chosen to stop replying to some replies if they dont really have any sort of reply potential and such but yeah

>>81920407
That is fair anon. I tend to check up threads that tickle my fancy here and there, mostly if they are in need of help.
Life can be very boring, might as well do something positive I suppose.

>>81920395
no i get what you mean by that. its refreshing to find someone with a similar mindset, have a good life filled with lots of keks. it is nice to know some people see the truth as well

>>81920264
You should not bother with those things, even if you cannot really trust anyone online. But that part is precisely why you should not expose too much about yourself unless your ascertain the person in front is not malicious.
You will have to live with Tits or GTFO until you die here and I think it is pretty based it stayed that way, despite the fact a good chunk of anons here are women.
Troons do not count.

>>81920419
oh yeah shit my bad, shoulda specified that but i more was trying to get rant across and didnt think abt that. i believe especially in the fact of how women control society despite the fact they claim to be weak and the ones who are the victims. they ARE the sole reason that good people like men cannot do things like get laid or be with girls because they are constantly so judgy and they will cry rape or abuse or that its all men wherever they go just to try and keep hold on society. they truly are the reason that men who dont fit society beauty standards struggle to get laid when in reality they are some of the best looking people. women just go for looks rather than personality and then wanna be all about feminist shit and then say men are being at fault when its not. anyways im ranting too long, hope this explains briefly enough

>>81920529
>anyways im ranting too long
the more you explain the more i understnad, and hell, the more you try to describe your beliefs to me the more you define them for yourself
does that make sense? i hope it makes sense
also you like to use sweeping statements, it's not "some women", "most women" or "plenty of girls" it's always "women" as a whole
but obviously not all women behave or think in this way, just look at yourself
makes me wonder, have you ever met any other women online or in real life who hold views similar to your own? met any other women who challenge or at least acknowledge the status quo?

>>81920224
>considering my exhaustion fried brain hadnt considered that pick me is a foid made term.
Yeah there's a reason it's only really used towards women than the other way around. "Simp" is the word we use for those guys.

Sorry, nona. Men don't like women with internalized misogyny. You will never have a bf.

>>81920520
you know what, you have a fair point anon, i will take your advice. thank you

>>81920796
its okay anon, i can live with that knowledge

>>81920774
gotcha, thank you for this knowledge tidbit anon. growing up around so many foids didnt let me learn that. now i can become pilled and based thanks to anons like u

>predatory dykes already trying to groom her back to the hivemind

>>81920632
it does make sense anon, dont worry. and i have only seen one other woman who had a similar views, ironically it was someone who replied on here. the anon actually seemed based so that was good. other than that no. sadly its hard to find women who arent just a bunch of feminist foids who try to preach all about how women are "superior" and bullshit like that. then again what women ARE based and able to actually be pilled enough to realize the truth. women are too caught up in their hormones and being on their social media trying to find men to use for looks to gain clout and sex before ditching to actually realize the truth. that or they have enough iq to realize the game and are, as many women are, manipulative and use that to their advantage to get away with anything and everything

In my experience these kinds of beliefs in women are "unstable". In that as they are perturbed socially over time it is very likely that they diverge away from them. I don't think this kind of thing is arrived at logically from women and I doubt it will ever catch on in a meaningful subset of them.

>>81921002
This made me kek hard anon. this is infact a good sumup of life yeah, would say so myself. kudos to you for the chuckle i had reading this, may you have a kek filled day

>>81921086
So you agree with me in that they are wired to always default to the in-group bias, no matter what happens to them?

>>81921086
it is sad that women are too retarded to understand the true societal structure. no i didnt arrive at this "logically" so to say i arrive at it in the weirdest way aka dykes being so dykey that i slowly realized the truth. but yeah no fair point anon, fair point

>>81921133
this comment helped me realize what original commenter meant, im a retard. and ykw still a fair point.

>>81921133
I'm not sure if your specific theory is correct but I agree that the evidence points to some model where women can not reliably maintain this ideological position without external forces (some form of manipulation usually from a more competent man). But even in these cases of external forces it is as if the man is constantly fighting this unstable equilibrium that he has taken great effort to artificially establish.

>>81921200
I agree, completely. Nurture means absolutely when it's up against nature. It's just exerted effort against something that's just always there in the genome.

>>81921290
means absolutely nothing*

>>81921180
It's good that you can understand that. Do you understand then that if you got into your situation through this chance set of experiences, that another set of experiences might easily push you away? And society exists in such a way, coupled with your own natural preferences, that I believe its likely in the future you'll look back at these beliefs as temporary and a mistake.

This is contrasted with a more logical approach toward forming your ideas about the world where it is meticulously crafted through evidence at scale, is logically consistent, and in order to completely disrupt someone who has done this effectively it takes an actual anomaly. And even in these cases you will almost certainly refine your ideas rather than abandon them. I don't believe many (to the point where it's hard to even find one) women come to the same conclusions that men do about female nature though this type of thinking.

>>81921194
To be honest, this does not only apply to women, at least to some degree. People in general tend to follow the status quo.
Women however do conform more in order to just not be ostracised. You are still the product of your upbringing but you make your own choices.
On the bright side anon, you did not become a degenerate.

>>81921463
>Women however do conform more in order to just not be ostracised.
Only true if the status quo aligns with their underlying nature. If the powers that be flipped the switch, they would never be able to convince women to like men because that's just not how they feel. It was effortless to push them the other way, to hate men, because it was natural for them, it felt right.

>>81921514
Excerpt you still need a push to achieve that goal anon. I do see where you are coming from, but women, individually, follow whoever they are with, provided said person is not compromised.

>>81921342
i do believe there is that possibility but i like to think yolo to that. but i do agree with your theory anon

>>81921200
id like to have a more competent man in my life desu. i hope to marry one one day even tho ik it cant happen

>>81921581
>individually, follow whoever they are with
What makes you think so? How do you measure this?

>>81921593
There are women that do know the nature of others, you are proof of that. But you will be hard pressed to find another outside of here and what not. Ultimately we keep to our own beliefs so you will go to places that already agree with yours, it is natural.
Just do not feel bad about the things you believe in, especially when others will try to bite you for it. Just be sure not to sperg out and convince them.

>>81921635
I measure this with anecdotal experiences from my friends and neighbours. Even online, there was this other girl I talked to and as long as she was around me and some of my friends she was quote on quote based,could take a joke, said the bad words and so on.
The moment I left the server and she started looking at other stuff and people, she became the very thing she used to mock with us.
Women are surprisingly high maintenance, but yes, they will follow whoever they are around with. I obviously do not blame myself for the way she turned out but I still noticed the fact she became the way she became because she lacked guidance. A lot are just this way.

>>81921701
>I measure this with anecdotal experiences from my friends and neighbours.
Understood. If that's where you set the bar, then I'll have to disagree because my personal limited experience says otherwise and it's actually men who are completely buck broken by their partners and entire groups bend to the will of women.
I actually knew otherwise normal dudes who went to leftist protests because their girlfriends(whom they mostly just orbited and disposed of them anyway) expected it from them.

>>81921701
You're right in identifying this behavior but I think you should think about this on a longer time scale. These women don't stay with men very long. They're fickle and will jump to someone else only to swap beliefs again. You can't rely on these beliefs remaining stable over time. Not without a societal level intervention. And even then if you look at civilizations historically, these societal policies or cultures tend to erode fairly quickly in the grand scheme of things and need to be constantly reinvigorated.

That's why I'm agreeing with the other anon suggesting that the source of this issue is in the nature of the sexes. When you look at the big picture there is definitely some kind of inherent conflict or adversarial nature between the sexes. We clearly know this is true in sexual selection with women critiquing men and men competing. But we don't have a full understanding of this adversarial mechanism, how it specifically arises from our biological function, and the full scope of its action.

>>81921828
>But we don't have a full understanding of this adversarial mechanism
It's like a black hole, it's very hard to pinpoint because it can be only observed through overlapping patterns, trends and circumstantial evidence. I wouldn't say that I'm adamant, but I'm starting to think that my chromosomal arrangement theory has some validity to it and there is a train of thought starting to emerge to explain it.

If I had to describe it in a few words, I think it's the inherent mammalian, alloimmunogically inspired resentment of the male compressed into an egregore, or more like a superorganism, by population density and easy access to communication. The externalized immune system. I think that's your adversarial system, it's almost too good to be true because it explains everything, the compulsory partner disposal process, the collective action, the extreme in-group bias, basically everything and it can be clearly observed in nature as I have explained in the wall of text. It can be reduced to a very simple recurring pattern.
It's millions of years of female immune systems recognizing the Y chromosome as a foreign object and cytokines repeatedly translating that event to brain states. Their brains just evolved to sense the Y chromosome, male pregnancy and it's product as something foreign that doesn't exist in their bodies.

It also explains men's neutrality, why they are far more likely to just let go of themselves and chill in relationships, they don't seek a way out, they don't feel trapped. What they feel is "finally", while women feel "am I stuck here forever?". That's not just hypergamy, it's their body trying to remove a splinter or a virus, only it happens externally.

Lots of assumptions, plenty of gaps to be filled, plenty of studies that will never be done due to the political nature of the subject, but it does fit, almost perfectly.

Honestly agree. Women have their own worth and do their own thing, they're very good at socially navigating the world and that's fine (as long as it's not done abusively) but who wants that if you're so mixed up in the head you're no use in a relationship.

Need a woman like you who knows her place. Ideal personality

>>81915627 (OP)
based and all completely true, you remind me of /r9k/'s imouto

>>81915648
>incoherent
>therefore actually female
lol, lmao, kek

>>81922269
i tried posting your theory on r/nothowgirlswork but the post got deleted after 10 comments about 1 of which had actually read the post

>>81922269
I like the theory but it's really difficult for me to find a way to easily falsify it. As you say if this is the result of millions of years of behavior being shaped by signals coming from the immune system, it seems like in order to falsify this we need to interrogate the brain itself (assuming that all other claims that lead up to this interaction are accurate). So getting a reasonable experiment that properly targets this hypothesis and fails to falsify the claim seems to put this in the set of theories that require a more complete understanding of the brain. Maybe I'm just not clever enough to think of a way to do it though.

>>81922552
Just wait for AGI, its 2 years away trust me bro, my glorified chatbot has like totally solved cognition

>>81922535
Such is life, it's probably a good thing. You can't expect that community to even make an attempt at honestly addressing this. I'll keep looking and I'll post the third theoretical blackpill thread when i have something of substance to add to it.

>>81915627 (OP)
You sound completely unstable and insufferable. You were raped by a fat ugly dyke and now you want to prey on lonely men for attention

>>81922618
i think i've already told you this but you should really compile everything into some imgur album or something so others can summarise it a bit more succinctly

>>81915627 (OP)
extremely cringe
I would much rather be abused by another woman than a moid
actually being abused by a woman is extremely hot and even fun
you can even actually fight back and try to win if the abuse gets boring or too frustrating, with an abusive moid doing that would mean instant death
and either way, I would still much rather have my head crushed against the wall by a woman than a filthy moid

>>81922552
>assuming that all other claims that lead up to this interaction are accurate
Those are accurate, you can verify it yourself. Immune responses do produce cytokines which do enter the brain and cross the blood-brain barrier and directly alter brain states in the amygdala and the insula, they can actually cause fear and disgust. Immune responses can directly alter brain states and thus evoke feelings.

>>81922683
I'll mash all screencaps into a single image for you, wait a few minutes

>>81915648
It was coherent, but definitely stream of consciousness and not a good post. OP needs to reread before submitting.

Anyway a good metaphor is to imagine someone saying how evil a toddler is. You'd just laugh and say "bro he's just a kid'. The vast majority of people inherently recognize that women are not on the same level as men yet with doublethink insist they are and that's how we got in this mess.

>>81915858
It was coherent, it just requires more tokens than the average reader is mentally capable of processing, to use an AI analogy.

>>81915867
"women that are genuinely women" prefer men. women that prefer women are damaged.
it's like saying a war veteran with PTSD is the normal man. He's definitely a man, but damaged. It may not even be his fault, but he is.

>>81922746
>blah blah blah
Yes yes we get it, girls into girls is just a phase we get it.

>>81922712
I don't doubt that part, I was just being complete with my response. This does make me think though, if what you say is true wouldn't it be likely that women would be able to accurately identify the sex of their child early on in pregnancy?

>>81922776
nta but i think women are completely lying when they say that they dont know when they are ovulating and such, they probably cant tell the gender of their fetus though

>>81920632
>also you like to use sweeping statements, it's not "some women", "most women" or "plenty of girls" it's always "women" as a whole
it's a matter of context + IQ test + abstract reasoning test.

If I say "men are taller than women", that's true where "men" is a group label. The phrase "on average" is implied and doesn't need to be stated. It is not saying "all men" and "all women". Of course there are short men (when will they learn) and tall women (LONDON).

>>81920796
The fuck we don't. If a woman is able to even understand anything about me I am very grateful. She doesn't even have to share the same end result / feelings, as long as she understands (the process, how I got from A->B).

>>81921086
Many people are unstable where they grew up believing X and later find out !X. When X is foundational to you as a person, and you disrupt that foundation, you are disrupting the foundation you built your life or at least mind on. Any time you look back you will cringe and just feel bad and that in effect disconnects the present you from the past you.
It's doable to live with (I did it), but it can be difficult until you finagle the mental 'how to".
It's different to, but similar, to growing up in an abusive household and having to relearn all sorts of mental habits from that, such as "I'm not actually piece of shit that deserves X" when it's baked into your ego.

>>81921828
>They're fickle and will jump to someone else only to swap beliefs again. You can't rely on these beliefs remaining stable over time.
Women tend to be reflections of society. The best thing a woman can do if she truly wants X to be part of her life, is to structure her life such that X is part of it. Let's take racial pride. If you believe in euro values, you need men and women around you who believe X, while the women are themselves surrounded by men who believe X. Once you get a leak / contaminant, be wary. It's the reason that villages used to be so wary of outsiders once upon a time.

>>81922683
Here, that's most of what I've posted, LLM summaries included.

The spiny rat and mole angle I'm looking into probably won't amount to anything as it's an extremely rare animal and no one actually ever gave a shit about them, not through these lens anyway.

But if you're interested, you too can start looking into mammals with a completely degenerated Y chromosome (XO/XO system) to see what you can find about their mating patterns or how they behave in close proximity to each other.

>>81922761
I never said nor implied it was "just a phase" you faggot. I said they were damaged in some way.
And it's an objective truth. An animal needs to be able to mate and continue its own kind. If a male beetle is unable to properly process female beetle pheromones, it is considered either damage or abnormal as a matter of fact.
Humans are animals as well.

>>81922857
Danke schon, i will take a closer look and start taking a look tomorrow, i have to sleep now, im thinking that this might be digestable to a reddit audience but i dont think tiktokers have the attention span

>>81922854
>Many people are unstable where they grew up believing X and later find out !X. When X is foundational to you as a person, and you disrupt that foundation, you are disrupting the foundation you built your life or at least mind on. Any time you look back you will cringe and just feel bad and that in effect disconnects the present you from the past you.
>It's doable to live with (I did it), but it can be difficult until you finagle the mental 'how to".
>It's different to, but similar, to growing up in an abusive household and having to relearn all sorts of mental habits from that, such as "I'm not actually piece of shit that deserves X" when it's baked into your ego.
I agree with you here, so let me specifically state what I mean. Lets call people who grew up believing X and later found out !X, often due to quickly jumping to conclusions, type 1 people. And lets let type 2 people be those who tend to wait for evidence and are less quick to form their models of reality early on when things are more uncertain. I'm suggesting that type 2 people seem to be mostly a (relatively small) subset of the male population. And I believe this even closer to a subset of the male population of when the topic under analysis is related to the nature of the sexes.

>>81915627 (OP)
>>81915627 (OP)
>i fell down the rabbit hole of being able to realize how much woman get to rule society and do whatever the hell they want SOLEY because theyre hot or have whatever big features a guy likes. and whenever its a guy whos a victim GUESS WHAT. ITS SOMEHOW HIS FAULT CAUSE WOMAN ARE TOO INNOCENT AND PRETTY TO DO THAT. literally all women do example my mom is cry rape or harassment whenever they hate a guy and ruin his life or use being a man against him SOLEY because of his gender AND IT SOMEHOW WORKS BECAUSE WE LIVE IN A SOCIETY THATS GENUINELY RETARDED. so am i sexist against myself and my own yes yes i am. and i will continue to be until society can go back to the good old days of being able to legally beat the shot out of a woman and nobody cares because they deserve it with all the shit they do nowadays like
Don't hate yourself because of the actions of others. You didn't do that stuff and you see that it's bad.

>>81922776
Around 7 weeks, the SRY gene actives which actually creates your balls and that starts producing male specific proteins(H-Y antigens) that goes into the female bloodstream through the placenta at which point it's met with an immune response and the cytokine production starts.

If you had some way to screen their brain states of two mothers, one with a female fetus, one with a male, you could find out whether they subconsciously "know" the sex of the fetus.

>>81922955
>im thinking that this might be digestable to a reddit audience
I don't think so, this will be a thing of ours. Ideological people will categorically reject it.
Your best bet is .is, but I don't think it would be much of a banger there either as it's not ragebait material like feminists going after AI girlfriends. It's just bland.

>>81922975
I would agree with you insofar that your "type 2" are a smaller subset of the population than "type 1". However I have to disagree in that forming a model of X quickly is done only by people who quickly jump to conclusions.
If you pass by a dog and it bites you, you will be much more cautious of a dog the second time around, and you would be right to be so. Quick conclusions are necessary for survival.

Not to mention, women and men are different after puberty. But people don't realize that. So until you're 15 you have a solid 10 years worth of "girls are like X, boys are like Y" and unless you happen upon a sage father figure who will tell you "ahh, but you see, women are not girls and men are not boys", you will be in for a rude awakening as the sudden 10 years worth of knowledge is now suddenly incorrect with your first real exposure where you risk your "self" (i.e. experience a sense of rejection from really putting yourself out there while more vulnerable)
(I can respond more later but brain is needing a rest so I'm going to the store and eating and taking a break)

>>81922955
Shit, forgot to add one from this thread, this should do it.

>>81916006
More like a 16 year old sexually confused boy who wants to shoot up his school.

>>81923133
That's a good point, there are circumstances where quick judgement is necessary. Maybe it's more accurate then to say that type 1 and type 2 aren't types but strategies that are informed by context. I think the rest of the claim still stands and women are less likely to execute the more sensible strategy when attempting to understand the nature of the sexes.