I can assure all of you, you could get pussy or a cock in your mouth if you really wanted to, no matter how ugly or deformed you might be.

If an undesirable moid was truly ready to have sex at all costs, he would just strike up a mid to low tier woman. Someone fat or obese, autistic, ugly, unpleasant, not your preferred race, or all of the above, it doesn't really matter. Truly, they are out there by the numbers, reading gooner yaoi slop because they don't have any warmth in their life. All you have to do is be somewhat nice to them and pretend to listen to them when they blabber on about their interests (since no one ever has), and boom, their pussy is yours.

If undesirable foids really wanted a boyfriend, literally just date any low value man you could find (autistic, fat, retard, neet, etc) and he will slobber all over you. Yes they will probably be socially stunted, overly perverted and perhaps a genuine drain on your will to live, but at least they'll love you, even if in their own way.

The reason this doesn't happen is because both genders have convinced themselves to deserve best of the best by virtue of existing. You simply don't. It's cruel, but you cannot expect someone to open up their legs or lovingly undress you when they don't even like looking at you and there are plenty more desirable options for them. Just settle for less. OF and Instagram models you blast your brain with every day are in the top 0.1%, most women are mid or ugly. Yaoi/ Girlslop men don't exist, most moids simply don't have empathy, you just gotta live with that.

But of course none of you will, because you are all lazy, ungrateful and entitled. This is where the term incel comes in, with an emphasis on the 'involuntary' part of involuntary celibate. There is just no way in hell that it's an "involuntary" condition when there are so many options for you, even if you may not be attracted to them. I feel like volcel should be the only term used.

Thank you for listening to my rant

>>81922682 (OP)
>Yaoi/ Girlslop men don't exist, most moids simply don't have empathy, you just gotta live with that.
NOOOOOOOOOOO YOU'RE LYING

>>81922682 (OP)
Getting sex is easy, finding a woman who wants anything more than that? Impossible.

Anon, please. I'm hurt. I don't think you understand how ugly I am. And my severe depression killed any sort of personality I had.

>>81922682 (OP)
>most moids simply don't have empathy, you just gotta live with that.
I will die alone and a virgin before a settle for a man like that, empathy is the bare minimum

>>81922682 (OP)
>If an undesirable moid was truly ready to have sex at all costs, he would just strike up a mid to low tier woman.
And then get rejected because she wants an abusechad.

>>81922707
I am one of those guys, but I'm also bi (but with a body count of 0). Just to warn you

>>81922682 (OP)
Autistic girls are a plus, also being with someone unpleasant just for sex sounds like hell. I look average and would be very very happy with a average autistic girl but even they don't want me.

>>81922729
Literally just be nice to her, that's it. Find a vulnerable fat autistic slob or a mentally ill bpdwhore (wouldn't advise though as the relationship probably wouldn't last long) and make her feel special, even if you need to pretend to care about her. Bonus points if she' had a rough childhood or a series of abusive relationships. I'm a mentally ill foid myself and I can attest to this.

>>81922682 (OP)
>he would just strike up a mid to low tier woman. Someone fat or obese, autistic, ugly, unpleasant, not your preferred race, or all of the above
You will literally get told to fuck off or in the worst case arrested.
I cannot find a girl with unique nom normie interests that doesn't have a bf already.
Show me where they exist. Not near me.

I am literally so ugly. No girl ever showed interest in me or struck up a random conversation.

>>81922806
>fat
What about girls who don't have vile personalities?

>>81922742
Either find a dejected foreveralonewoman who without intervention will die alone due to being fat/hideous and will settle for the bare minimum, or just abuse your hypothetical girl instead.

>>81922855
Fat people deserve to die, they are fucking horrible gluttonous monsters.

>>81922832
This is the problem. You probably long for a woman without undesirable qualities, but you may not be in a position where you can pick or choose, even if you feel you at the very least deserve that. This is just the way you are, you've already found this board. Either scrape the bottle of the barrel or just stay by yourself, but you're not really an 'incel' in that case

>>81922886
Valid opinion, but sex is sex, even if the bitch is fat. Either you need it or you chose to live without it.

>>81922734
Moids with empathy might exist but they are probably exceedingly rare or fags. Most men will throw away the smidgin of moral compass they possess if their dick takes them somewhere else (see the many "white" nationalists with asian/black/brown girlfriends, suddenly non whites become people in their eyes again if they make them hard enough) They just care about sex before anything else, empathy and morality somewhere far down the line.

Perhaps a passing trans man would be a good substitute, though not many people are open to that, and they have their own neurotic tendencies to deal with as well.

>>81922806
I try, but as soon as we talk about meeting up and they start describing all the degenerate things they wanna do, I get ghosted when I tell them I'd like to wait till marriage.

>>81922806
Done all of that but I'm nonwhite so fat ugly autistic girls hate me for existing, and I'm tired of bpdemons. They never stick around

>>81922682 (OP)
>strike up a mid to low tier woman. Someone fat or obese, autistic, ugly, unpleasant, not your preferred race, or all of the above, it doesn't really matter
You have no idea what you're talking about. I literally do that. Had success once and then never again. They're not really interested in me, those kinds of girls still have options. The one obese mentally ill girl I dated left me for someone else.

>>81923022
You should date in religious circles then. Most girls today are thaught that if a man wants to wait until marriage, he is dangerous and wants to entrap you.

>>81923201
Couldn't you just date non white women then? Not all brownoids are self hating. And yeah, bpdwhores are mostly good for a quick fuck, unless you can get them heavily medicated

>>81923257
>Most girls today are taught that if a man wants to wait until marriage, he is dangerous and wants to entrap you.
Taught by who? The men that pump and dump them? kek

it's really no that simple. i dont even consider myself to be unattractive and there are times where i'm treated like i'm subhuman for trying to spark a conversation with a girl. it's starting to feel like a humiliation ritual

>>81923290
Moreso the "looking out for you girlie" titktok foids. I feel like they conflate "I want to wait till marriage" with "I want you to become my loyal tradwife and carer of my children only, do not pursue a career or any other interest".The latter can end up disastrous as there have been plenty of horror stories of moids growing uninterested with their old and sagging wives, cheating or divorcing to get with some younger broad, and the woman being left old, undesirable, and with 0 career aspects as they didn't amass any experience besides childrearing.

yeah there is plenty supply of genuinely disgusting guys out there. i know a poor girl who is maybe 28ish now and she's panicking because some deadbeat got with her in highschool and kept her around until she was 26 and fucked off for someone else because he "just wasnt feeling it anymore". fucking scum

>>81923251
You can always settle lower, trust me. There are plenty of foids absolutely no one wants, who are well aware of that fact. You probably won't find them irl though, try stalking redditforums like r/ugly or r/foreveralonewomen

why would you guys even want that though, a fat ugly disrespectful woman? wouldn't you rather just be on your own at that point

>>81923427
Oh, that makes sense. I just struggle with intimacy because of childhood trauma, so it's easier to say I'd like to wait till marriage than I'd like to get to know you and trust you first. I'm not interested in some fuckdoll housemaid pet relationship. It's just difficult to express love to a woman without it becoming sexual. If I don't act like a coomer rapist, I just get ghosted.

>>81923482
>r/foreveralonewomen
You mean the sub that had to try and ban all men from posting because they kept trying to message women off there? Those "forever alone" women?

>>81923496
Why do they have to be disrespectful? Why not just be sweet? Then again all fat women seem to naturally be cunts

>>81923512
yeah that's what i mean. a lot of the fat women where i'm from tend to be really fucking nasty with, ironically enough, the highest standards

>>81923496
>wouldn't you rather just be on your own at that point
Honestly, probably not. But I've never been in that situation before so I guess idk. I definitely see some guys stay with women like that so it must be worth it for some guys.

>incels just want a woman who isn't some grotesquely obese single mother
>"femcels" are only willing to settle for a tall muscular rich man with the face of a supermodel
>retard-kun thinks these two are equal

i am going to kill you with a rock

>>81923500
Lol my bad, I did not know about that. I feel like a lot of communities like those can get infiltrated by bdd foids who know they are attractive and have plenty of options (thus never wanting to settle with a desperate male) but still whine about their life solely to farm attention. But there are plenty of gems in the mud (or mud in the gems?) If you sense an absolute 0/10 failure posting on there, you can always stalk their profile.
Also I do kinda understand if they wanted to prevent the threads from being shitted up by moids talking about their experiences, it is a female oriented place after all.

>>81923548
Plenty of femcel larpers, plenty of femcels who are the grotesque obese single mother type you abhor and know they are objectively screwed, don't conflate the two.

>>81923636
>fat
>your own fault
>single mother
>your own fault
Only ugly can be excused but 95 % of all women under 30 who are not fat are good looking enough to have a relationship with if the character is good. The anon you replied too is 100 % right we just ask for the bare minimum, we don't ask for big tits or ass we simply ask for the bare minimum meanwhile "femcels" only want the top men.

>>81922682 (OP)
>Female hands typed this OP

>>81922806
>make her feel special
ok, how you do that ?

>>81923842
>95% of all women
That's just a random estimate, hardly truthful to the real situation at all. A lot of moids nowadays live with the belief that every non fat woman must have the face off some tiktok or OF foid, the ugliest woman they can imagine might be some kind of mid girl they've seen on social media or somewhere they can vaguely remember irl. But there are plenty of women that are far uglier, simply never seen or noticed because they know not to show their face.
This image isn't really representative, but at what percentage does the cutoff for tolerable to unsalveagable lie to you personally?

>>81924043
If it's any consolation, I hate moids and foids equally.

>>81924055
Say that you're in love with her because of her personality, that she's truly special, that you've never seen anyone like her before, that you feel a kindred connection and she might be your soulmate, that her interests are amazing and special and not retarted at all, listen to her and say she is right about whatever, etc. 100% works with mentally vulnerable/unstable/unloved foids.

>>81922682 (OP)
>Tfw bunnies with cat faces aren't real

>>81924059
I'm literally bottom 5-3% damn

>>81924059
No you don't know anything about the meaning of average. Most people are average statistically this is a fact. The very hideous who are not fat and not old are only a few %. For me personally the one girl in 2.5 second right is still cute enough as a gf for me but she would still reject me because I am not chad. Most of the ugly ones are either fat or old like I have said. I look average and I am not fat or old, in what world would it be fair that I have to go for some fat, old very ugly woman?

>>81924116
and how do you get in a position to say those things without sounding that they are out of the blue ?

>>81924148
Not too bad, I'd still throw you a bone.

>>81924199
The problem with averages will always be the outliers. If statistically 3/4 women are above average and mid to high tier value, in a population of 10mil dateable women, that leaves 2.5 million women as low value and undesireable. Even if 9/10 women are above average, that still leaves 1 million undesireable women. Even if you think women have a genetic advantage, there will always be those left behind. And yes, you may think you deserve better as you view yourself above average, and it would be unfair to go far below your looksmax, and it may even be true, yet it still doesn't change anything doesn't it? In the current circumstances, you cannot get an average girlfriend, and if you want a 100% chance of acquiring a girl, you simply need to lower your standards. Again, there is nothing involuntary about this. And I can assure you, the one girl in the 2.5 row would be eager to take any chances she'd get, especially if you at least pretend to be nice to her. Don't be fooled, most unsalveagable foids know their status and are currently in the same boat as you.
This is not about fairness or getting what you 'deserve', this is just simply about finding a mate

You don't understand how autistic I am, and how much everything about the outside world and human relations just completely stumps me.
Even when I have "made an effort", the result has been me trying to talk to another person, realising I have nothing to say to them, and then they get angry at me, and the thing kind of falls flat.

>>81924218
I'd suggest first starting with talking about her and your interests, going more in depth into hers (even if they sound annoying and boring to you) and then gradually worming your way into her head over the course of a few days/ weeks. Try to always inquire further into anything she says to gain more info you could use and make it seem like you're really interested.

>>81924406
You can get there from talking about Mario and Sonic?

>>81924431
Maybe, depends on how autistic she is

>>81924116
this is so evil total moid death now

>>81924370
I know that and I know that more men than women exists, especially with all the immigration. I live in a area with 20 excess men for every 100 woman.
>Even if 9/10 women are above average, that still leaves 1 million undesireable women
The same goes for men in a even worse way where even 5s are seen as too ugly to date.
>And I can assure you, the one girl in the 2.5 row would be eager to take any chances she'd get
lmao no she would not I once aksed out a girl like that and she rejceted me and even on dating apps do women like that simply ignore me. She is like every single woman chad only. So why even aiming for ugly women when they are just the same? At least with average to abvove average they might like you for something different than your looks.

>>81922806
Yeah, no. you women are pieces of shit
>autistic girl
doesn't exist
>mentally ill bpdwhore
every one is incredibly arrogant to the point nothing less than perfection is enough for them
in short, find a rope

>>81924406
how do you start any conversations and bring topics up to begin with ? that always feel award and like trying to answer a college test
And how to you inquire her without feeling you are interrogating her ?

> info you could use and make it seem like you're really interested
I have absolute no idea how to do that

>>81924632
>doesn't exist
I have a diagnosis lel
>every one is incredibly arrogant to the point nothing less than perfection is enough for them
I literally said I wouldn't recommend it because anything would be short lasting, just that when they're mentally vulnerable even a complete retard could emotionally manipulate them for sex. Instead of being a salty lonely moid forever you could at least try.

>a female doctor gave me a diagnosis after I begged for one so I can keep living my delusions

>>81924659
I feel like you may be autistic and have a poor grasp on social relations in general. In that case, I really can't explain everything in a single comment, I recomend watching some social youtube gurus instead.

General advice though, treat talking to the femoid at first as you would talk to a potential friend. No overt flirting yet, just openness, kindness and interest in her personality. About inquiering info, just say things like "Oh you watch a lot of X? I've never watched but I heard a lot about character Y, they seem really cool." That way you will get her divulging more about the character and the show, without it sounding unnatural. Just keep doing things in that spirit.

>>81922682 (OP)
> not your preferred race
I could just fuck a dog if bestiality is on the table.

>>81922855
>Either find a dejected foreveralonewoman who without intervention will die alone due to being fat/hideous and will settle for the bare minimum
Ah yes I'm sure there's plenty of that going around for robots to choose
>or just abuse your hypothetical girl instead
Yeah you're just trolling

>>81924839
>Ah yes I'm sure there's plenty of that going around for robots to choose
Yes genuinely, literally so many moids in this thread lambasting about the fact they might need to fuck a fat hog to get around, at this point it's just lazyness. You do not need to be a genius to emotionally manipulate a sad fat bitch to bend over backwards for you, you might even convince her to unfatten herself. Even worse are poltards like >>81924835 who would happily reject a 9/10 non white woman because he might not get to suck Hitler's cock in the afterlife. Again, none of this is involuntary, the situation you find yourself in right now is entirely of your own doing.

>>81924810
>I feel like you may be autistic
Correct

>I recomend watching some social youtube gurus instead
I already tried, never quite worked
They mostly just said some generic and vague stuff that didn't really communicate anything usable
Saying what to do but not really how to do

>treat talking to the femoid at first as you would talk to a potential friend.
that type of vague what but not how

>No overt flirting
good, I have no idea how to do that anyway

>openness, kindness and interest in her personality
No idea how to properly express any of those intentionally

>just say things like "Oh you watch a lot of X? I've never watched but I heard a lot about character Y, they seem really cool."
Ok, I think I got a general formula from this

>>81922682 (OP)
i'm going to step on this cunny if it does not shut up

adam is this you

>>81925002
Who's adam

>>81923403
>expecting the normalfag of /r9k/ to understands
fighting a lost battle