heres your virgin high school sweetheart tradwife sir

>>81939629 (OP)
lol you're not supposed to do any of that stuff for women

>>81939629 (OP)
She's just not attracted to him. It's really disheartening because as men we don't really get it unless we witness it again and again and eventually it sinks in, but if she's not attracted to you, there is NOTHING you can do about it apart from breaking up and moving on with your life. There's no amount of "spicing things up" or counseling or whatever that can change it. It's just not a problem that can be fixed.

>>81939643
yep, just be chad and the rest solves itself

videogames and staring at a wall until i die for me!

>>81939629 (OP)
What do the acronyms mean?
What is there to do with such a situation except rape her? Or cheat. All fair if she is shitting on the partnership like that.

if he was smart he'd give an ultimatum:
1. go to a doctor get your hormone levels checked
2. go to a therapist get your psych evaluated
3. if neither is the problem and nothing improves, divorce

>>81939643
This.
He needs to cut this disney bs and adapt a more carefree state of mind while adapting a strong frame.

>fell for the tradwife meme
Personally I want a fucking whore bimbo wife who makes tons of money on onlyfans and buys me stuff. It will be a loveless sham of a marriage but I'll be sexually satisfied and won't have to work.

>>81939629 (OP)
It's sad to see men like this realizing that the method society tells them to use isn't meant to benefit them.
Obviously, she has the right to refuse sexual contact if she doesn't want it. But there's still the expectation of engaging in healthy/beneficial sex with your husband. Especially if he needs it to feel as if he's adequate in your relationship.
If she doesn't appreciate someone who puts in effort and respects her boundaries. She should be with someone who doesn't.

>>81939629 (OP)
guy is being cheated on and doesnt even know it

>>81939689
High libido male, low libido female.

>>81939666
Nonsense, it is a skill like everything else.

If you're too retarded to know what he's doing wrong I will sum it up for you in two easy to understand chunks
>She has been stressed out
>I'm feeling confident, so if I fuck her I will cheer her up

>>81940062
lol

>broooooo if i just do the right moves she will like me!

>>81940062
My poor anon, I see you're desperately clinging to your copes. Let me guess, you think that "I have a headache" means she really has a headache.

>>81939629 (OP)
that's a GOOD thing
i WANT someone like that
fuck that guy he should just jerk off

>>81940062
This
He's literally doing everything with the expectation of sex. Not out of true love
He has made sex a battle of attrition instead of a fun bonding experience. I've had exes fuck up with me the same way. It's hard to explain but it really drives us away

>>81940542
Probably this, I really hate how much social/relationship advice is performative because it never works, women (and humans in general) are very good at detecting your true intentions and getting an off feeling if your actions aren't matching what you're thinking in your head.

People's reactions to you make far more sense if you just go around the world assuming everyone can read your mind and true feelings towards the interaction.

>>81939629 (OP)
>I know I am not owed anything
Why are reddittards like this?

She's fucking chad while stringing him along for the beta bux.

>>81939643
It has nothing to do with doing that or not makes no difference
>>81939666
>She's just not attracted
Correct. You can't negotiate sexual attraction. You can't convince someone to be sexually attracted to you. It's the height of folly. I kind of feel bad for her because I can only imagine how uncomfortable it is to have someone you are not attracted to in that way going to such great lengths with like candles, etc, massage, doing all this stuff to try to make you want to have sex. Honestly reading it made me cringe hard. No clue why they're married

>>81939629 (OP)
kek that was just sad to read. the guy sounds like a faggot too desu. "waaaa i just wanted to make her feel good, i made her favorite pasta and put even favorite singer on while i was massaging her waaaaaaa why didn't she want my micropenis in her?!"

>>81940937
Except when its chad who is going to rape and beat them teehee then its like how could she have known oh em gee totes!!1!!

>>81941215
Is English your second language? How can you fail at following a conversation this badly

>>81940937
This is such BS. It has everything to do with intentions you're right about that, but you're absolutely full of shit to imply that she didn't want to sleep with him "because his vibes were off" or some other intangible woo-woo magic shit. She just isn't attracted to him. Cut the fucking gaslighting you aren't convincing anyone except yourself. It's very disingenuous.

The result would have been the same even if he had "pure" intentions (whatever the fuck that's even supposed to mean) God forbid a guy has such selfish, dirty ulterior motives as wanting to have SEX with his WIFE. What a creep!

The difference is if he had such pure and authentic and non-performative (only sociopaths describe human interactions in this way) intentions, instead she would feel "sad" because her husband oofy doofy is SUCH a nice guy and he is SO kind-hearted but she just DOESNT want to have sex with him and she totally feels guilty about it (but still won't smash though)

Don't ask a fish how to catch fish. They just wait and then bait appears, it's all magical to them. The fisherman who caught them surely had pure intentions, if you aren't catching fish it's not the bait you're using, it's some mystical force beyond comprehension. For women things just "happen" and then they make up BS post-hoc rationalization for it after the fact. Nevermind the guys that smashed who had nothing but the intention of fucking and leaving, their personality detector must have malfunctioned o algo

>>81941002
I don't know what modern people think the point of marriage is if not to honour your vows to each other. It is like the concept of a vow is totally foreign to people today. Like when you get married you are joined into one flesh, you become OBLIGATE beneficiaries of each other, that is the entire point of marriage. You literally HAVE to have sex with your partner in marriage whether you want to or not or you are violating your vows, your bodies belong to each other permanently.

>>81941332
Eww get a load of this misogynist creep. Uhhh sweety? It's 2025. We left those kinds of toxic patriarchal values in the past where they belong. Educate yourself. It's not the 17th century anymore, acshually womyns are people not property and marital rape is a serious crime. If your wife never wants to have sex even once after marriage then that's her right and you just have to accept it. Vows are only acceptable and ethical when they benefit womynx. If it doesn't, then it's creepy ick toxic masculinity that's why she still gets half your shit for divorcing. It's giving "bigot" honey. Its not a good look. You need to quit being so sexist or you're not going to be very successful in the dating world.

>>81941359
Ok thank you sweaty

>>81940542
Imagine wanting to have sex with your wife, what a loser.

>>81939629 (OP)
Women get board. Men crave stability and comitment, women crave unpredictability and drama. Women care more about you the less you care about them, it turns them off massively when you actually put effort into something because it triggers a "He's seeking my validation" instinct in their mind.
Honestly, the relationships I've been in, women always respect you more the shittier you are to them. It's painful, I don't want to be shitty but it's the only thing that keeps women interested.

>>81941121
>No clue why they're married
It's is relatively common. She settled for the safe guy hoping that maybe she'd get attracted to him in time, or subconsciously hoping she could lock him in a sexless marriage.

>>81941564
attraction fades with familiarity, women enjoy mystery and all that bullshit. once they actually know you and everything about you its over

>social media screenshot
Lowest quality of content on /r9k/. Fuck off back there.

>>81939722
In trad society you can just rape her

>>81939629 (OP)
>falling for the nice guy meme

Some women are just low libido. Just make her pregnant and search girlfriends and prostitutes for your pleasure. It's not cheating if she does refuse sex.

>>81939629 (OP)
>i know im not owed anything
what a loser

>>81941359
The funny thing is not putting out used to be grounds for leaving your wife and "being unable to consummate" still is

>>81941792
He just has to say this to avoid getting lynched by Reddit, cut him some slack

>>81941792
there should be no surprise that everybody is alone when the ethos is
>you aren't owed anything and people can leave you without notice for any reason whatsoever. if you dislike that you're actually bad.
the incel paranoia about monkey branching and chad hypergamy is founded on this pervasive attitude, that relationships are completely meaningless. it's impossible to 'put work' into it. you either have or you don't, and even if you have it the next minute you won't. in every other aspect of life, hard work pays off, except for the most important one. people are encouraged to be whimsical and impulsive at the expense of others. so it is no surprise that nobody cares.

>>81939629 (OP)
>she's been stressed out lately
Bro why does your wife have a job?

>>81942223
No redditor ever gave me any slack

Just get a divorce what's so complex about this

>>81941121
>I kind of feel bad for HER because I can only imagine how uncomfortable it is to have someone you are not attracted to in that way going to such great lengths with like candles, etc

Then why the fuck did she get involved with him in the first place, let alone marry the guy.

>>81942321
Thats a lie she tells him, roasties fuck Chad even when they have migraines

>>81941440
He's treating her like a harvest moon npc and not a person. What are you not understanding
He doesn't seem to even care that the notion of sex sends his wife into fight or flight. He has the mind of a rapist he's like tsch damn better try next time. While she is in survival mode. Christ what a miserable fucking relationship. Some men are really so devoid of empathy I wonder if they are even human. Vs my bf who tears up easily and is very patient and compassionate to me. He's also a sex god he just feels emotions and shares them with me because he's HUMAN.

>>81942607

>ugly men are not human, chad is human

Thanks for the insight, roastie

>>81942607
Its his wife not gf,he shouldnt have to dealwith this BS

>>81941306
>The result would have been the same even if he had "pure" intentions (whatever the fuck that's even supposed to mean) God forbid a guy has such selfish, dirty ulterior motives as wanting to have SEX with his WIFE. What a creep!
I never said anything about "purity", you're arguing with your own head

There is nothing wrong with wanting sex and being sexual, nice guys come across as creepy because they want sex just as much as anyone else but try and pretend they don't. They think if they can do a bunch of non-sexual "nice" things and never mention that they want sex that they will then be rewarded with sex.

The only shame about their intentions being "impure" is in the head of a nice guy, if they were comfortable with wanting sex from a woman they wouldn't have to hide their intentions.

Bad boys are attractive because they just act on impulse all of the time and don't hide what they really want

>>81942706
You have to keep dating your wife it doesn't just stop
My parents are childhood sweethearts and still flirt with each other and have gay drama

>>81942718
Stop seriously reasoning with a foid you stupid nice guy cuck

>>81941223
His reply is fine, I think it's you that's not following

>>81942718

>Bad boys are attractive because they just act on impulse all of the time and don't hide what they really want

Yeah man an absent father and unpaid child support is soooooo sexy.

>>81942748
Uh yh, you need to see women as stone age primitives to understand their actions

>>81942607
>He doesn't seem to even care that the notion of sex sends his wife into fight or flight. He has the mind of a rapist he's like tsch damn better try next time. While she is in survival mode.
You should write dark romance novels, youd sell a lot i bet

>>81942721
>have gay drama
>somehow a positive
Love from Kazakhstan

>>81942748
Yeah you're going to extremes, but a man who knows what he wants and just leaves actually is more sexy than some beta dude who stays in a sexless marriage for 20 years because he's too ashamed to get divorced and feels like he couldn't get another woman if he did

Women just want a man who does whatever the fuck he wants, which is actually quite liberating if you see it the right way, you no longer have to live a life basing all your actions around trying to please women, go be free

>>81942754

No I see society as idiotically gynocentric enablers that will do anything, absolutely anything even past the point of self-destruction to avoid holding women accountable. So women are just pampered their whole lives and shielded from developing into actual adults as they wobble around like toddlers grabbing at what they want and throwing tantrums while a cucked nanny state rushes to soothe them at any amount of discomfort.

>>81942785

20% of mothers are single mothers. There's nothing "extreme" about the reality retarded women have created. That's millions of women, not some tiny outlier.

>>81939629 (OP)

unpopular take,

but I honestly hate these prude bitches more than I do hoes. Robots are usually social retards who can't talk to women, but if you actually met and befriended one of these prude cunts you would realize they completely volatile. You can't do "dirty" stuff with them, even if they like you.

>>81942607
She is a fucking mess, that shit doesn't just happen out of the blue one day. She has been like that for some time but she still went through with the relationship and the marriage. You don't suddenly wake up one day and develop such an aversion to your spouse or sex in general to the point where you recoil. Either she should have not gotten involved with him in the firs place or she should be trying her hardest to keep her end of the marriage. At this point she should just divorce him and let him move on with his life, who knows how long the poor guy will keep trying to make it work and lose a chunk of his life in the process.

>sex every week
>sexless marriage
Is this pornbrain for real?

>>81942785
>Women just want a man who does whatever the fuck he wants,
True, rapists and murederers are very popular among women

>>81942801
"Once a week or two" is extremely low
It should be everyday

>>81942801
At ages 26 and 24 that is seriously low numbers. It is very normal for people to fuck a lot in healthy relationships, just because (You) would be ok with sex once every week or two doesn't mean everyone else is.

>>81940062
>She has been stressed out LATELY
I like how you left that bit out. They were already sexless before she was stressed. The sexlessness has nothing to do with the stress, it's just something else added onto the real issue.

>>81942800
Like I said before he has basically backed her in a corner where having sex feels like a surrender or being raped instead of a mutually fulfilling experience. His approach is scary of course she feels like a cornered animal
I dated a guy like this before. He got fired from his masseuse job for refusing to wear deo and the few massages he gave me were weirdly robotic and aggressive. It felt like he wanted to hurt me

>>81942800

Most likely she married for the meal ticket and is now pissed she actually has to hold up her end of the deal and is channeling those negative feelings into "disgust" to punish him for having expectations of her to actually put in a tiny amount of effort into the relationship.

>>81942839

>chad chokes her while fucking her then wipes his dick on her drapes and leaves
>brad is a rapist if he expects normal sex once per week

Women, not even once.

>>81942851
It's kind of cute how you refuse to acknowledge my words, guess because you are a lazy male with a rapist mindset. The thought of having to, gasp, actually have game and get her in the mood makes you seethe. Stick to your hand for the good of all women

>>81942839
>he has basically backed her in a corner where having sex feels like a surrender or being raped
Wtf? He just gave her a free massage then ask if she'd like to have sex ?
>instead of a mutually fulfilling experience
What makes you think he didnt truly that before ? (Whatever that means)

>took the bait award

>>81942865
>game
Pseudo-science

>>81942865

I can believe you're actually a woman based on the fact that you can't argue ideas and can only talk in terms of social hierarchy.

>>81942869
He just seems like he is mentally checking off boxes and not paying attention to what she actually wants and feels in the moment. He's giving her anxiety with his performative detached actions leading up to one goal. I wonder if he even has any fun with her irl. His only mindset is sex sex sex. He doesn't care that she's upset it's all about how her rejection makes him feel. He's a bad husband dude

>>81942839
The guy just wants sex which is very normal, she doesn't. There isn't a mutually fulfilling experience for them because of her. She is the one who recoils, she is the one who doesn't want to participate. And I never said she has to just sit there and take it even if she doesn't want to just to make him feel satisfied. I said either she has to try and fix herself or let the dude go.

And no, she isn't backed into a corner at all. She consented to the marriage, she knew what marriages entail. Sex. Don't want to do it, don't get married with a guy that does.

>>81941002
r3ddit's childhood is getting bullied by parents teachers and f3male classmates as well as their younger siblings. they were born bigger losers than r9k somehow hence the lack of spine

>>81942889
>He's a bad husband dude
But she's not a bad wife, right ?

>>81942897

I can agree. Robots at least face their pariah existence with some honesty while the redditor scrapes and begs for acceptance.

>>81942891
I've been the hl partner with a ll bf, more than a couple times, because I have too much masculine energy and was making them feel the same way op is making his wife feel. Me always being ready to go took away the satisfaction and thrill of bedding me. There's no sexual tension because he's simply being too rapey. I guarantee if he withdrew a little and started working out she'd want to fuck because there'd be less mental pressure. I don't make the fucking rules

>>81939629 (OP)
Nothing makes you feel like an ugly piece of shit quite like a girl who "likes" you but isnt attracted to you waiting until the last minute to shut you down

>>81939666
>>81939750
>>81941121
This. Someone is either attracted to you or not and they know it within seconds of meeting you. You can't force it or negotiate it. I know it even from the male perspective because I dated down when I was 20 because I was desperate, naive, inexperienced and after that relationship I swore to never do that to myself again and never make that mistake ever again. She obviously married him because he's a benefit to her life otherwise (job money housing lifestyle etc) and as anon said she is probably cheating on him or will be soon and very ironically that affair is probably contributing to her "stress" he's talking about. Women are sociopaths about cheating and will act completely innocent because in her mind she is.

>>81942958

Women act on impulse then just come up with bullshit rationalizations after the fact.

>>81942918
>I guarantee

No you fucking don't. If the dude tries he is too much and there is mental pressure and yada yada. If the dude doesn't try, waaaah does he ever care anymore, he is such a piece of shit. He isn't rapey, he just wants to fuck his wife, most normal thing on the planet.

And why the fuck does the guy have to fucking fix this shit. He has to back off, he has to work out, he has to endure the denial and rejection like that shit doesn't kill you inside. The guy didn't change his needs, or attitude, he has been like that from the beginning so either she put up with it and now she can't anymore or she was ok with it and now changed. Either way, she is at fault clean and clear.

>>81942594
The fact that he believes it shows that she does have a job, which is wrong.

>>81943052

It's good that you pointed out that she's making zero effort to fix things and placing all the blame and responsibility on him. You can't fix a problem between two people if only one person gives any effort.

>>81939629 (OP)
Just avoid dating or marriage and you won't have to deal with being sexless with less freedom and more stress

>>81940542
Yeah its horrible, i wish men understood.

Ive cried because my ex bf couldnt fuck me (he put this cream on his dick and got mild burns, he said it made his face smooth so he thought it would make his dick smooth)

Ive also cried because another bf wanted to fuck me and it grossed me out so much.

>>81943052
He doesn't want to have sex with his wife he wants to fuck his wife. There is a big difference there
>The guy didn't change his needs, or attitude, he has been like that from the beginning
Source: your saggy loose ass
Men frequently switch up once they think they have a woman locked down

>>81939629 (OP)
from a woman, he should of just took charge and starting undressing her himself and turning her on, if he couldnt do that she likley was not sexually turned on by him ever, which sucks, man tf up robots

>>81943647
How would you know whether he wants to fuck vs have sex?

>>81943770
>I thought I did everything right
>Blabbering about her not owing it when he feels like she does
He was just checking off boxes trying to get pussy access with no intimacy. That massage sounds like a fuckin nightmare

>>81943647
>Men frequently switch up once they think they have a woman locked down
Source: your saggy loose ass

>>81939666
brutal realitypill for betabucks

>>81943788
None of that implies he is just checking off boxes, you're making this all up in your head.

>>81940062
Being killed by a nuclear bomb is a skill issue

>>81943737
I feel like women's desire conflicts with all the anti-rape messaging I received growing up. Like, no means no and the need for affirmative, enthusiastic consent, but then you see posts from women saying things like, "It was a turn off when I told him to stop and he actually did it." It feeds into the redpill/blackpill narratives about how you actually need to be a psychopath to have success with women too.

>>81943815
His wife freaking the fuck out and going into fight or flight does
Bro acts like a reptile and has all the comforting finesse of a barbed wire fence

>>81943850
>It feeds into the redpill/blackpill narratives about how you actually need to be a psychopath to have success with women too
...

>>81943647
Source: men get less horny with age not more
You are just blaming the guy otherwise the woman is at fault and you are a woman, so that means you could be at fault too. The horror you must feel at just the thought you could ever be held accountable for your shit.

>He doesn't want to have sex with his wife he wants to fuck his wife. There is a big difference there
Cope, cope and even more cope. She is just a miserable bitch and so are you.

I regularly go nofap so I wonder how much this situation would be different if the man started denying the weekly sex and just going for longer periods of time without anything
Though really he should ask her what the hell is going on because if shes that freaked out at the thought of having sex with her husband, shes got some serious issues

>>81939643
This lol just be buff and rich the fuck is that dude doing

>>81944322
Still shitty, two people that constantly reject each other. This is nightmare fuel for any sane person, if you take out the cooming factor at the core this is a relationship of two people that have spent so much time together only to end up feeling alone and miserable at each others presence.

>>81943862
How does her abnormal reaction imply he has the wrong intentions? It is just as likely that she is cheating on him or something.

>>81944398
The woman is never in the wrong, dontchyaknow?

>>81941121
>I kind of feel bad for her because I can only imagine how uncomfortable it is to have someone you are not attracted to in that way going to such great lengths with like candles, etc, massage, doing all this stuff to try to make you want to have sex.
I never thought about any of this after I got blackpilled. But does that mean all this romantic candle dinner shit pushed in all the movies is something they actually don't want?

>>81944398
Same logic as: When a man cheats he is a piece of shit that can't keep his dick in check but when a woman cheats she just felt neglected and that is your fault silly man UwU

no matter what it's the man that is at fault because women are perfect little angles with no flaws whatsoever.

>>81944398
Because that's not a normal reaction to a loving husband. Makes perfect sense if your husband is a slimy insister though.

>>81944654
>women always react rationally
kek

>>81941306
It would make more sense for the 1st pic to be Emma Frost, and the 2nd Helen Keller.

>>81944654
Being loving or nice has very little influence on women's sexual attraction to men. She's just not sexually attracted to him, and there's nothing he can do to change that.

>>81942865
Doing something meant to get her in the mood is inherently with the purpose of having sex, something which you've said is "rape". Anyways you are clearly a woman so kindly get the fuck out of this board

>>81944422
Those things are amplifiers, not causes, for attraction. Candles and massages heighten the sexual tension - which is great for when you are physically attracted to someone. Much like gooning, the process of delaying the gratification of sex is key to making her orgasm. However, in our case, there is no attraction to begin with. There are some hints in the text which could point to it being a mindset issue, such as the fact that he's clearly not the leader of the relationship, which may be the cause for the lack of attraction. Or he's ugly and she married him anyway. Or both.

>>81944654
Makes more sense if she is cheating and has moved on.

>>81944864
Maybe he got fat or something
Men blimp up in relationships. It's only been a year and my bf gained like 40lbs. Every time he eats candy I want to scream

>>81939666
Anon, I agree that this happens when attraction is lost. However, that's part of any long-term relationship

Even the hottest men and women get boring after a while. This is why love and working these things out is a choice.

>>81944918
Also, all women eventually get at least a bit colder if you're in a relationship with them, because there is no longer risk and uncertainty and they're driven and excited by that. It's just the way they are, they are chaos.

If this happens to you tell them you're willing to break up or divorce and watch them change

>>81944999
Or you just do something fun with her and spice shit up
My bf and I have a sexual bucketlist that keeps expanding. He wants to fuck me completely naked on a beach next. He does stuff to me I'd never let another man do and makes it feel special

>>81944890
Tell him
>you're getting fat and it is making your dick look small
and see if that makes him hit the gym

>>81945011
>Or you just do something fun with her and spice shit up
Right, anon. I'm talking within the context of the woman not being willing to spice things up, which is a common occurrence, like in the OP's pic. This is something that both people in the relationship should work out, not only one. If only one has interest in changing, it's probably over by that point.

>>81945011
Do you think the wife in the OP would ever consider doing ANYTHING on a sexual bucket list? She would fucking scream if the poor guy even suggested it. It also flies in the face of your own "he's being too deliberate" complaint. Just admit Chad is allowed to do these things and normal guys aren't.

>>81945024
>I'm talking within the context of the woman not being willing to spice things up
Yeah you see so many posts about guys with gfs who never put out and they try date nights, they try taking quizzes to see if maybe she has an unfulfilled fetish, they try sex therapy. At a certain point the answer is the most obvious one: she's not attracted to you and possibly never was.

>>81939761
Absolute cope. The dude is just extremely ugly but moids lack self awareness

>>81939761
High libidos cheat on their spouses who aint opening up

>sexless marriage
>once a week
Oh man, wait until he finds out

.>>81939739
>Obviously, she has the right to refuse sexual contact if she doesn't want it.
I would actually argue she doesn't. She married him, there are wifely (and husbandly) duties.

>>81940542
>expectation of sex
Nah, he sees sex as a pleasureable bonding activity. In his mind it's literally "I want to do nice thing with her that she will enjoy and bring us closer", not so much "OOGA BOOGA GROG NEED CUM"

>>81947375
He seems very inwardly focused he doesn't even care that she's so distressed. He's just feeling sorry for himself. He's selfish

>>81947536
he also never asks "why isnt my own wife attracted to me" he's a fucking redditor faggot so in his bingbingwahoo brain he inserted the 2 coins into the machine (gave her a massage) and doesn't understand why the sexo isnt happening. Its sad and hilarious at the same time. only reason I don't feel bad for the wife is cause she's obviously getting dick from someone

>>81947770
>only reason I don't feel bad for the wife is cause she's obviously getting dick from someone
I hope she hears that bro, you're a pathetic cuck, or worse, some woman.

>>81947770
Ugh, you sound high maintenance

>>81947770
Well yes, this is the primary question and it's insanely fucking simple.

If my GF did this to me, the question would be first "why don't you like me?". I would presume there's a reason, whether it's Ive done something, not done something, asexual or she's into someone else.

I feel like in probably 75 percent of these situations the damage has been done and the only real solution is to break up. Maybe it's his fault, maybe it's not, doesn't matter

Either way, her response was to panic, which leads me even more towards the conclusion of breaking up.

>>81939761
More like
Heterosexual male, Chadsexual female

>>81941002
And more importantly why do redditors expect incels to be and think just like them, then get offended when they do not?

>>81941121
Maybe she got married to him because he has good money or comes from a family like that, but still can't reconcile not being attracted to him?
like how did they even get far enough to get MARRIED without realizing they were incompatible?

>>81941332
You know liberals consider polyamory and open relationships the most normal and acceptable things in the world today, right? like they wouldn't even raise eyebrows over it

Why don't these cucks just fuck their wife? She's not going to put up more than token resistance. I've been told no before. I tried pressure, still no, but then I just did it anyway. Half the time she'd get into it, other half the time she'd give me the silent treatment until she wanted me to buy something(so less than 24 hours). Marital rape might be an imaginary law but how the fuck do you prove it? The rape kit showed the presence of her husband's semen. Durhurr, they're fucking married. If divorce is inevitable then they might as well exit on a high note and walk out with empty balls. Shit, if I knew it was my last time I'd go for her ass. Make sure she thinks of me at least the next two or three days. I don't think I'm that big but apparently getting it up the ass leaves a stretched kind of sore feeling the next day.

>>81940089
Nigger, it's his wife

>>81944654
Anon you're going in circles with your logic here.
Wife doesn't want to have sex -> because the husband is a pos -> why is the husband a pos -> because the Wife doesn't want to have sex

>>81940542
>YOU EXPECT SEX IN A RELATIONSHIP? YOU HECKIN TOXIC INK FUCK YOU I JUST DONT FEEL LIKE IT
>*fucks chad and tyrone on the side anyway*

>>81940937
>PEERRRRRRRONALITYYYYY DETECTOR!
never thought id see thiso n r9k lol
crazy how the detector doesnt work on abusechads

>>81940937
What the fuck are you talking about? Women are dumb apes who live in a fantasy world conjured by their emotions.

>>81942607
>guy does something nice for his wife
>"hes an evil sociopath rapist!"
the level of gaslighting that women are capable of is unbelievable

>>81942607
>He doesn't seem to even care that the notion of sex sends his wife into fight or flight.
and she doesnt care about how awful she makes her husband feel
why do foids get away with no giving a fuck about others?

>>81939629 (OP)
>virgin high school sweetheart tradwife
Where did he say any of this?

>>81942527
He's a normalfaggot, he probably thinks he can't live without her or some gay shit

>>81949910
If she chose to remain a virgin, maybe that means she's not a fan of sex. The whole incel fantasy of "innocent virgin who becomes turbo horny slut just for me!" has no basis in reality.
>>81949544
He should just roll her over and stick it in. If she hates sex, then get it over with. The sooner the better.
>>81940937
No they aren't. To the contrary, people are easily manipulated by external appearances.

>>81939629 (OP)
Women are like dogs with chew toys. You cant have itLook im presenting you with it but im taking it away at the last minute haherha!!! except instead of the immediate pleasure a dog is awarded with by doing this, she is awarded in two ways, defying you (a dopamine kick bigger than crack for women), and the long game of convincing herself that YOU are to blame for her needing to defy you which leads women to the victim mindset cycle (even BIGGER dopamine kick than just defying you) and no amount of effort or scented candles and date nights will ever pull her from her self destructive cycle once initiated even though she knows she started the whole goddamn thing in her head cuz she was bored. Womens imaginations are just too big, she will ALWAYS listen to her self affirming and victimizing fantasies rather than reality and ESPECIALLY rather than you (the bad guy in her life she glamorizes out to be a movie). Women NEED DRAMA and POINTLESS CHAOS where they can Larp as a victim or else they would have to be bored and trad. Which they would literally die over. And the only solution if your in this boat is to not to look at her surprised when she Screams "NO NO I DONT WANT THAT" and just fuck that shit out of her regardless. Cause when she does that she is pretending like she is the abused victim in the movie she thinks her life is, no matter how small the conflict that put her into the victim mode im literally tracey thurman and this is my story actually is. Cuz if she screams loud enough, she can convince herself its really that bad. Like a child, being stung by a bee.

>>81939666
>there is NOTHING you can do about
You are supposed to beat and rape them for disobeying you

>>81942307
>in every other aspect of life, hard work pays off
This is actually not true at all

>>81942721
My parents are like ultra-sterile roommates, I've never seen so much as a hug goodbye at the airport from them. I have met (straight male) business partners who are more affectionate and close than my parents. They allege that they used to like each other, perhaps at some point before I was born, which would be logical.

I'm really glad I'm basically asexual. Women don't have any power over me.

>>81942801
Also be sure to note that when he does get it, it's clearly disinterested obligation sex. There is zero "passion" or love from her at any point. Frankly, at that point, I'd rather just jerk off and stop coping.

>>81950223
and then land a decade in prison?

>>81939666
>>81941121
you can however coerce someone into pretending to be attracted to you, which amounts to the same thing

>>81943600
I hate my gf and everything and we don't fuck enough but if she legit cried out of disgust at the idea of fucking me I would probably just beat her to death instantly

>>81948449
Now this is based. You're right. I need to be raping my gf. She has 12 days until I rape her. This retarded pig slut probably thinks I'm "harmless" in her little pea brain. She genuinely has no idea what she's in for because I've been acting so fucking controlled and decent for YEARS just due circumstance. The radiant joy I feel paying off my debt to the devil by hurting her is beyond belief.

He's low IQ.

When she said, "I don't want that!" He should have said, "Yeah? Well I do." Then stuffed her panties in her mouth after tearing them off and fucked her.


She would have came so hard.

Instead, he actually failed the shit test. LMFAO.

>>81942607
It's a real crime that he forged her signature on that marriage license and forced her to live in the house she could leave at any moment but oh wait that would make her life difficult too.

>>81939693
dumbshit christcuck got married in the first place. Get fucked normie

Wife falls asleep fondling my balls and expects sex after every shower.

>>81942721
>the guy who put together a whole spa day at home for her completely ignores her the rest of the time
You're going to hurt yourself contorting this much. Can't you just admit that she's in the wrong here for not voluntarily divorcing him with no alimony because marrying him in the first place was a mistake?

>>81950813
fuck, if I only I could get a gf and help learn women one stinky hole at a time lol
Oh well, have fun Anonymous!

>>81942889
>not paying attention to what she actually wants
What she wants is to not have sex with him.
>He's giving her anxiety with his performative detached actions leading up to one goal.
The actual one goal of a marriage is to have children. Where do you think children come from?
>I wonder if he even has any fun with her irl.
If he posted about that you'd just say he's only doing it to get in her pants.
>His only mindset is sex sex sex.
foid moment
>He doesn't care that she's upset it's all about how her rejection makes him feel.
Imagine feeling bad that your wife is rejecting you like you're hooking up at a high school house party for the first time.

>>81943600
>I cried when Chad couldn't fuck me and I cried again when Not Chad wanted to fuck me
enlightening

>>81943862
Then why did she marry him and is still with him? Very enlightening thread so far to learn that women think marriage is nothing more than a piece of paper that guarantees them free room and board and a golden parachute on their way out.

>>81944422
They want that stuff with the guy they want it with. That's not the OP husband and it's not any of us.

>>81944890
>Men blimp up in relationships.
You'd almost think that women aren't even human at this point, given how completely infallible they are.

>>81947770
He isn't asking that question because they're married so he doesn't even assume that can be what's happening. No one told him women will lie to the extent of getting married just so they can have somewhere to live with a fridge to raid for snacks.

>>81951459
You are 100% right that they will do this but it seems insane to me even from their perspective. How is it worth it? Would they just be literally homeless and destitute without a man to latch onto?

>>81951631
How isn't it worth it? She's gotten him down to 2-4 times a month before they're in their 30s. Less than an hour of lying back and disassociating in exchange for zero living expenses so she can build her "I can't take it anymore" secret savings account just in case the judge only gives her 99% of his financial existence instead of 100%.

>>81951699
>her "I can't take it anymore" secret savings account
This implies that she is essentially miserable, which appears to be the case. This is why I question if it's worth it. Seems like it sucks to get married to somebody you don't like, even if they pay your rent.

>>81951722
What's the alternative, spending her own money on her own life? Not very current year.

I am buying a house soon and I am 100% sure my gf is going to try to convince me to move in with her. I have been very clear since the beginning that was never happening, but I think she is somehow hoping to change my mind. Not by putting forth any effort on her part to improve my enjoyment of the relationship, of course. She is going to try a combination of outright pressuring me with hostility and more importantly, just gradually increasing the time she spends at my place from 2 nights a week (current routine) to 3, then 4, then 5, then, well, I practically live here already... I mean I'll help with bills and stuff... why shouldn't we? I need to be mentally prepared to never let this shit happen. She will push hard on this before being willing to break up over it, I'm potentially in for a years-long slow game.

>>81951860
Why are you with her if you don't want her around?

>>81951879
She's ok, we would be better as friends honestly. I don't mind seeing her almost every week and fucking her on those occasions. Probably better than the amount I'd be pulling ass just back on the apps, at any rate. I don't want to live with her though. Every time we have for one reason or another gone into 4 nights together we end up fighting stupid style, we seem to get sick of each other fast. Maybe I'm just an antisocial autist and need my personal space and alone time or I become hostile, maybe she's actually fucking annoying. I don't mind carrying on our current routine but no way is she living at my house. Also, I lived with my ex and that was like hell. The entire point of buying a house (out in the sticks, no neighbors nearby) is to get the fuck away from people, in general.

>>81951951
You're just wasting her time then. You're kind of no better than the reddit wife.

>>81951971
I am not wasting her time, she is wasting her own time if this is what she wants. Like I said, I have been very clear that it's not happening all along including refreshing her on this fact recently. It's not like I led her on pretending something was going to happen that isn't. I set an explicit boundary from the start and she is going to try to push past it by force for her own convenience. I am not in the wrong here for standing my ground.

>>81952008
She thinks you're going to get married some day because you haven't broken up yet. She's going to stab you to death eventually.

>>81952018
I was also clear we're never getting married, or having kids. If she thinks I was for some reason bullshitting about that with complete consistency for years on end that is outside of the scope of what I have control over. She may stab me to death eventually, however.

>>81952039
>that is outside of the scope of what I have control over
She is a gf (female) right? She either thinks you're teasing her or her brain just kind of shuts off for the bad parts. You're gonna fucking die.

>>81952051
I think she thinks the game is that I have to say it will never happen, then she heroically breaks down my resistance with pure love (non physical or in any way based on what I want, just based on what she feels like doing) and I cave. I also think she believes this already happened before, since at the start I basically told her I wasn't looking for a relationship and that wound up happening, she is convinced that every other rule I have laid down is equally flexible as upgrading from "regular hookup" to "girlfriend". In her mind this represents concrete precedent that I will give on this kind of thing if she "tries" hard enough. I will re-iterate that I think she may stab me to death, but I'd prefer that to living with a woman at this point.

>>81952089
>I also think she believes this already happened before
That's because it has. Maybe the reddit OP was you from the future.

>>81942607
Hey to you and your boyfriend, and every other woman in this thread with a boyfriend, I really do hope one day you(or him) suffers a horrible accident? I really pray and hope that your bf is in a terrible accident that ends up with his face burning off and forces you to break up with him. Or that you both are forced to crash into a tree from a drunk driver, and your spine breaks in half. Or something. Thank you and have a nice night.

>>81952105
Alas, I'm already cheating on her. I will never become a reddit dead bedroom poster, it is impossible. But she is cuter than most of the other slags I can get on short notice so I'll keep her around until she gives up, or stabs me to death.

>>81952137
>slags
What's your last post going to be before you get permarangeb&?

>>81951860
Dont let her pay any bills, no labor repainting a room, nothing. Rule your kingdom with an icon first. If she works and wants to split the bill fairly make her buy you a nice pickup or cargo van. If your inter mingle marital assets it's game over. You could buy the Buckingham palace but if she so much as puts a $1 magnet on your refrigerator the house is half hers, logic being she spent money on improving the place and time thinking of how to improve the place.
At least this way you will argue over the truck, who did oil changes and replaced tires vs who paid the notes. You'll probably lose the truck since you only own half in the eyes of the law, but you'll keep the palace because she never contributed to it. I made sure only my name in on any deeds I own. I pray it doesn't happen but worst to worst, I'm walking out with what I came in with as well as my non joint banking accounts and nontaxable investing accounts. Tax advantaged accounts might be on the chopping block, but I only put the minimum company matching into those so in that case divorce means thus stealing my employers contributions and not mine. Always remember that all women are evil with one exception(your mother). This is offset by the fact that any woman you fuck will be twice as evil as your mother in order to maintain the worldwide female evil balance.

>>81948176
there's a difference between that and cheating, and even poly people consider cheaters scum
t. liberal

>>81942865
I laugh because telling its actually a woman is easy, they're
just entitled retards like one

>>81941332
You could also divorce her like normal people do in the civilized world instead of raping her.

Would you let your wife peg you with a monster dildo? Or suddenly bodily autonomy is more important than "marital duties"? Remember, your body belongs to her too.

Ffs,I know it's 4chan but holy hell, can we please have a discussion without people going "actually, I'd beat and rape my wife "?

>>81953877
Not that anon
Sex is an obligation within a marriage. Of course, sometimes a person isn't up for it. But if it's all the time, that person is not fulfilling their marital duties.

>>81953877
>you could also let her divorce rape you instead of you raping her
Can you name a single woman in recorded history who ever did anything wrong?

Imagine taking the opinions of w*man srsly

>>81940542
>sex isn't part of love
>if a guy wants sex every other thing he did for a woman is suddenly evil and just for sex
Women are so retarded. You deserve men who actually don't love you and really do just want sex, that'll teach you the difference. Just kidding, they'll get pumped and dumped and blame all men because women have no self awareness.

>>81954329
>I've had exes fuck up with me the same way
>plural
kek they really are incapable of learning, and if they'd stop insisting so strongly that they wanted to one could conclude they don't even want to learn

I had sex with my GF like... 2 weeks ago. That was our first time having sex since April. Lol.
Funnily enough she was all over me before moving in. I'd go to her house and we'd fuck all night and then she'd wake me up with a blowjob. When I asked her to move in she was suddenly ill all the time and couldn't have sex anymore. Lol. Shes feeling ill basically 18 hours a day. Unless she has to go out with her girlfriends. (Then she's suddenly not ill, but falls ill again when she gets home) it's obvious at this point that she was just trying to trick me into putting her on my lease so that she wouldn't have to pay rent and once that was accomplished she didn't see any reason to continue having sex with me. I can't believe I was so stupid.

I'm working on getting a new lease, I'll be out by Nov 1st, I'm literally counting down the days like a prisoner

>>81955063
Drag her to the doctor and have her committed.

>>81939666
Just rape her. Women fall in love with their abusers because emotional instability is fuel for them.

>>81955078
Committed for what? She's not insane just manipulative. She just wanted an apartment where to live without paying rent and a docile roommate who wouldn't rape her. She got it.

>>81955123
malingering

>>81939629 (OP)
He could just divorce and find somebody normal. He had to do that at some point anyway and it's better to do when you in your 20s.
>>81942607
>>81942839
Yet another good reason for divirce. She'll leave "survival mode" and will be able to enjoy her life and he'll find somebody more suitable.

>>81953877
>You want to have normal sex with your wife occasionally? That's like your wife wanting to sodomize you with a gigantic monster dildo bro! If you wouldn't let her rip your nuts off your body and shove a broken jar up your anus you can't expect HER to want to have normal vanilla sex sometimes!!!!

>>81953877
Gonna be a light in this dark thread....... He needs to start raping her, and do it fucking passionately, madly, deeply, until she submits and starts loving it. It's the only option.

Stop being a pussy. Death comes for as all. And marital rape is bad only because lawmakers said so. People fighting for power over other people, as usual.

>>81954329
Its gaslighting, they know the deal but get off on conning betas

>>81942607
Lmao this shit is hilarious. I'l never understand why people like you larp and lie like this. Sad really

>>81948000
>the question would be first "why don't you like me?"
Imagine trying to have verbal communication with your wife about problems, far too advanced of a concept for a redditor apparently.

>>81956152
I've been in this situation. Verbal communication doesn't solve anything. If you ask your gf/wife why she doesn't want to have sex with you anymore shell just invent excuses and claim shes just depressed/sad or suddenly claim that she has some chronic health problem that she failed to disclose for years up to this point but that somehow did not stop her from having sex with you in order to get you to commit. It does not matter how you frame it, you can be indirect or direct, you'll get the same response. It's pointless to ask, you already know the answer, she's just not attracted to you and needed your betabux. The only solution is to leave.

>>81939629 (OP)
the day marital rape laws were passed marriage became pointless

>>81950111
>you can't expect a virgin to start liking sex after losing her virginity
Nigger you do realise that every whore was a virgin at one point?

>>81957295
Yeah but sex drive is a big determining factor in how early someone engages in sex. If someone wasn't compelled to do it as a teen or young adult when libido is at its highest, how interested in sex do you think they will truly be after it starts to go down?

>>81957444
How is this related to the post you replied to?

>>81955605
>and he'll find somebody more suitable.
She'll definitely find someone else immediately, but this guy probably won't see another serious relationship until he's 40 and divorced women see him as an option again

>>81939629 (OP)
I'm a virgin but I want to have sex but I also don't because boys scare me

>>81953877
Divorce is a dangerous prospect as a man, especially when you're the one seen as the one in fault. And its overwhelmingly like that they would see you as being at fault since the modern liberal court would probably not see your wife refusing sex as breaking her marriage vows (even though its literally the entire point of marriage, and something traditionally both men and women have been allowed to divorce for).

>Would you let your wife peg you with a monster dildo? Or suddenly bodily autonomy is more important than "marital duties"? Remember, your body belongs to her too.
Sodomy is traditionally illegal for a reason. You have to escalate to it because you know that the anons you're arguing with aren't actually hypocritical and would completely agree that a wife has the right to demand sex from her husband.

>>81957853
>I'm a virgin but I want to have sex
Whore.