> Be me
> African American Zoomer
> Proud civil rights/abolition heritage
> Kennedy-Obama Liberal?
> Deep Blue State, Deep Blue City, Deep Blue Neighborhood
> Predominantly black neighborhood becoming more multicultural
> "Okay...? It's fine as long as they're respectf-"
> LatAM gen-a unprovoked says the most hateful shit I have ever heard in my life (early 2024)
>"... He's young. I said stupid shit as a kid... He'll learn that we're all on the same sid-"
> SAAAARRR gentrifies while being asocial sectarian parasites
> East African Somali Mus whore allows me to faint and collapse in 125-degree summer heat instead of letting me order water that I waited my turn in line for. (summer 2025)
> Family gets harassed and attacked by Hispanic gang members with guns and immediately actionable threats (summer 2024/spring 2025)

I don't have any goodwill left. All of these people are fucking horrible. Purge them all from the country. Kick all of them out. Ban H1B visas. Muslim Ban. Denaturalization. ICE raids in every city.

If republicans would stop targeting civil rights, education, and welfare I would be a republican tomorrow.

These people are ruining the safety of my neighborhood. They're making native locals in my community feel unwelcome. They steal housing, education, and job opportunities from good people.

They don't want to assimilate or integrate because they don't appreciate what it means to be American, even as someone with an immigrant heritage who can be proud Americans like Irish and Italian Americans.

They fully see themselves as Indian, or Somali, or whatever fucking mystery meat multigenerational rape babies hispanic 3rd world shithole they're from. The next 3 Trump years, these people should get everything they deserve. They have never been tested and have no cultural heritage here to look at as a universal example for what it means to be of their ethnic group AND American.

At least Chinese Americans have some kind of heritage to carry themselves with respect for other people as Americans. These have to prove that they actually give a fuck about this country enough to have bare-minimum respect for their neighbors. In the time it takes for these people to either assimilate or integrate, neighborhoods like mine are going to suffer from all of the people who choose not to.

>>82058960 (OP)
black nigger gay monkey boy underdeveloped frontal lobe big black boypussy nigga

>>82058960 (OP)
>If republicans would stop targeting civil rights, education, and welfare
Don't forget the environment. I would join MAGA, or side, who started caring seriously about the natural world.
>inb4 we're fucked anyway
>inb4 i want to kill white rhinos (too late)
>inb4 i hate the word environment, it makes me think of democrats

>>82059858
>or side
or any side

>>82059858
Well one side keeps rolling back environmental protections and subsidizing coal plants and the other side is big on green energy and protecting random endangered beetles so I'm not sure how this is a hard decision for you.

>>82059893
The Trump party actively destroys natural resources, and the other side doesn't do that. Easy decision, yes, but neither option is *good*.

>>82059921
Good (in my opinion) is market pricing water (with dividend), carbon tax (with dividend), and removing O&G subsidies and only one party has ever been on board with any of that. Most of the reason we can't get these things done is because the retard party blocks it all and we operate in a political environment where doing things is significantly more difficult than not doing things. If we had a system that allowed more than two viable parties this would be significantly easier to accomplish.

>>82059921
>doesn't do that
oof.

this is like saying the Biden party waged war on the entire world, and the other side brought peace. retard

>>82059893
>the other side is big on green energy and protecting random endangered beetles so I'm not sure how this is a hard decision for you.
Except they also let third-worlders flood in by the millions and skyrocket the carbon footprint of the country and they want to pave over nature to house them all.

>>82059951
What are you yapping about "more than two" fucking moron? Coalitions don't get anything done easier. The only way America catches up with China is through autocracy and centralization. If you want to focus on raising taxes on the poor, you could just have a very centralized and lean IRS that has authority even higher than the president, and you just have 1 or 2 decision makers who come from environmental sciences or whatever.

>>82059971
You have to balance environmental protection with economic growth. Migrants provide cheap labor and help with the population pyramid, the environmental issues stemming from that are fairly minor. The typical liberal solution to housing is densifying existing areas which would not be paving over nature but regardless I'm fine with with development as long as protected lands remain protected. Compare to e.g., the current admin which is auctioning off protected lands and trying to keep coal plants running purely because of the culture war lmao.

>>82059893
One side decides that cucking to capitalism by infinity immigrants is the way to go, and the other side decides rampant exploitation while blaming immigrants (and increasing immigration) is the way to go.

It's not that this is a hard question, it's that either way I'm actively voting for my own dispossession and I refuse to be involved

>>82059992
Migrants who can't legally work are not cheap labor. They are actually an expensive burden

>>82059983
What the fuck are you talking about? Democracy has routinely outperformed autocracy in every metric lmao. Are you actually stupid? Go get cancer and suffer for a while retard.

>>82059959
I know there's only one party that's waging war on the environment. That's not much of an exaggeration, either.

>>82059997
>Migrants who can't legally work are not cheap labor
They get paid under the table for less than minimum wage while not being eligible for many benefits. This is an excellent arrangement and one that we should formalize, perhaps granting them automatic citizenship after a certain period of time provided they don't break the law.
>>82059993
Immigration is good for the economy and what's good for the goose is good for the gander anon.

>>82060006
*Capitalism has outperformed outmoded ways of economic organisation

You cannot point to imperialist success, whether in America or Europe, and attribute it to the success of liberal democracy. America has the success it has because it is essentially a continent as a country, with a vast population and natural resources. It has then used postwar conditions as a springboard to leverage economic dominance over the world.

It deposes any systems it does not like or that threatens it's power, no matter the cost to the citizens. Cuba, Argentina, Peru, Bolivia, Chile, Libya, Iran, Iraq, do I need to go on?

>>82060013
What is the economy and why is immigration for it?
Ultimately there is nothing "good" for the economy. There is something that is good for an arbitrary measurement that we decide matters, i assume you mean "GDP go up and deflationary price impacts on struggling labour sectors"

Yeah but why would I, as a lower middle class person, actively give a shit when I'm competing with 300 Indians for a relatively entry level job?

>>82060006
Democuckry is good for innovation and to make sure there are checks and balances. The post I was responding to was specifically talking about passing sweeping new policy "easier" which literally is the opposite of how democuckry works especially if you need consensus or a coalition, MORON. You need a generation of lobbyists to die or retire any time you want to adopt some new technology, let alone a tax on the poor.

>>82060013
>They get paid under the table
They usually aren't getting paid at all. They don't work. Labor has gotten extremely expensive over the past 5 years, the fact that boomers still talk about migrants being cheap is insane.

>>82060019
There have been capitalist dictatorships and they have not performed well. Autocracy is inherently fragile, this is not a controversial or new idea anon. The US and Europe also are not imperialist that's a bizarre and frankly Marxist way of framing things.
>Cuba, Argentina, Peru, Bolivia, Chile, Libya, Iran, Iraq
Are you stuck in the 70s? Grow up grandpa.
>>82060030
Nothing is real, nothing matters. You win.
>>82060033
You're actually retarded. Autocracy is not going to lead to lasting environmental protections, or any for that matter. Multiparty democracy allows people who see the environment as a number 1 issue to get proper representation in the government as opposed to needing to support the least worst option. Consensus democracy always leads to better (as in more universally acceptable) and more lasting outcomes.

>>82059992
>>82060013
Cheap labour is terrible for economic growth. Historically cheap labour always leads to stagnant economies because it kills the financial incentive to innovate newer and more efficient technologies, and it leads to a slow-moving economy due to people simply not having much money to spend. Expensive labour puts more money in people's pockets, enabling them to buy more stuff, supporting more businesses, and it also gives businesses an incentive to try to do things more efficiently, such as automation or better work processes.

There's a reason the industrial revolution happened in post-Black Death Europe where labour was expensive.

>>82060019
Ironically enough, American foreign policy is largely an autocracy.

>>82060051
Based on what? Autocracies have existed for thousands of years, you're arguing about an irrelevant system and completely ignoring economic conditions which matter way more.

The US and Europe are indisputably imperialist. They leverage economic power, use and abuse economic treaties to exploit pretty much anyone they feel like.
You can look up how tied Hugo Chavez was to America, and just how much he could not get economic sovereignty because he would have his country bankrupted if he even tried.

The pendulum swings, the stars align for Yakvb II

>>82059951
Damn, this is bleak. Let a man dream.

>>82060051
Multiparty democracy will show that each party has their own "number 1 issue" you fucking retard, try again. If any party has enough authority to slow down the progress of any other party for either their own interests or just to not allow that party to grow too big, then it will. That's just basic politics. As for "always leads to better" you might as well say that slavery always leads to better outcomes, stop doing tricks on it and talk like a normal person. Autocracy OBVIOUSLY has benefits which clearly address what that earlier post was about.

>>82058960 (OP)
I hope everyone realises some day soon that whites are the ones holding the show together and we stop pretending everything's gonna be okay
Make peace with losing access to everyday luxuries and first world comforts like reliable electricity and clean water
People are not just interchangeable economic units; there's tangible consequences to replacing the bearers of civilisation with people who can't create or maintain it in any meaningful way

Not to mention the serious end-cycle debt crisis we're balls-deep in right now that neither party has the will or support to resolve
Our debt-to-GDP is at WW2 levels and we're not even fighting a real war anywhere yet
Everyone is gonna suffer when we can't kick the can any further

Hopefully they all flee when the allure of the first world doesn't exist any more

>>82060058
>Cheap labour is terrible for economic growth
Migrants are working in agriculture and hospitality and such, you're conflating economy wide issues with industry specific ones. We're also not living the 1800s anymore, if the economy is sluggish because wages are low and inflation is low (because no one is buying anything and wages are low) then the Fed can just cut rates. And if inflation is high then clearly something else has broken horribly and excess labor supply is not the primary issue. Expensive labor is not universally good either, it leads to inflation and potentially less investment. The black death really can't be applied here, we're living in an entirely different kind of economy now.
>>82060065
They grow less and collapse sooner. The failure mode of autocracy is miserable. Democracies just hold new elections.
You are using a Marxist definition of imperialism, I won't even interact with that.
Venezuela was a corrupt socialist state that squandered oil wealth and is pretty universally hated in the region. Foreigners have agency, you can't blame all their failures on the big bad USA.

>>82060087
If you want to impose a tax on the poor, do you think people will elect you?

>>82060079
I guess that's why all multi-party democracies are completely gridlocked at all times and do so horribly. I would hate to live in any multi-party democracy, clearly autocracies have better standards of living, economic growth, personal freedoms, and environmental protections. Oh, wait, all the best countries to live in are multi-party democracies (with the exception of the US which is barely multi-party)? How strange, how weird. How fucking stupid are you? Do you just not know anything about life on Earth? Is this willful ignorance or are you an alien? Oh wait, you're just so stupid that you think it's helpful to say "uh well in autocracy you just say 'protect the trees' and it happens without debate" as if that has ever been a primary outcome of autocracy. Fucking absolute retard lmao.

>>82060108
>completely gridlocked at all times
most of the time yeah. when they allow businesses to shape policy faster than they can fight it in court, things happen quickly, but businesses are inherently exploitative and have no reason to protect the environment of their own volition in this case. if a party becomes a supermajority on their own and have effectively autocratic rule, then they implement more sweeping policy for the people.

>>82060101
Considering that some democracies manage to raise taxes, yes? The issue is convincing people that raising their taxes will benefit them in some way. Most people, especially in the US, either don't see or aren't aware of the benefits their taxes provide. People at the moment are more willing to raise taxes on the rich, I disagree and think the middle class needs to be taxed higher, but that's probably the direction we'll go in the future.

>>82060121
>most of the time yeah
In the US because our system was designed to produce gridlock
>supermajority on their own and have effectively autocratic rule
It's not autocratic rule if you need to follow the constitution, courts, etc.
>then they implement more sweeping policy for the people
You do understand that autocracy is never "for the people", right? Virtually every autocrat is for themselves first and foremost. I don't think you know what autocracy actually is.

>>82060108
>best countries
huh? even if you are ignoring the entire eastern half of the world, countries like Monaco are autocratic. are you okay?

>>82060137
>In the US because our system was designed to produce gridlock
More so in europe
>It's not autocratic rule if you need to follow the constitution, courts, etc.
Yeah it is.
>You do understand that autocracy is never "for the people", right?
That depends on the leader. Usually they are focused on the people in their own country, yeah. Do you think that democracy has ever been "for the people"?

>>82060145
>muh microstate
lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Human_Development_Index

Where are the autocracies on here? Hong Kong at 8, Singapore at 13, the UAE at 15. The top is pretty much all democracy and the only autocracies in the top are microstates lmao.
>>82060158
>More so in europe
I really don't know about that man
>Yeah it is.
"Autocracy is a form of government in which absolute power is held by the one person, known as an autocrat". That implies no need to follow the constitution, courts, or law in general.
>Usually they are focused on the people in their own country, yeah
Fucking lol. For every "good" autocrat you have 100 bad. Lee Kuan Yew is not the norm, the norm is Putin or Saddam.
>Do you think that democracy has ever been "for the people"?
Yes? The people get the government they vote for.

>>82059971
Do you think these people just start existing once they cross the border or something?

>>82058960 (OP)
why do spics hates other brown people such as indians, southeast asians and blacks?

>>82060178
>lol
more countries are trending toward autocracy, especially the big ones. i guess you never went to school or something?

>held by the one person
love the wikipedia reference you fucking clown. now go pick up a book.
>Putin or Jinping ever being considered bad for their own people
retard.
>Yes
are you actually joking? which people voted for a 2-party system where 70% of the population hates both candidates at the national level?

>>82060205
>more countries are trending toward autocracy, especially the big ones
So your argument is that the good countries of today will be autocracies in the future, and by virtue of that their success is owed to autocracy? Are you retarded?
>love the wikipedia reference you fucking clown
I wanted something simple a brainlet would understand.
>Putin or Jinping ever being considered bad for their own people
>Jinping
Where did I say him? Are you hallucinating? Take your pills anon.
>which people voted for a 2-party system where 70% of the population hates both candidates at the national level?
So you agree that true multi-party democracy is superior to the 2 party system we have? Glad we're on the same page.

>>82060203
Shitskin Mutt Subhuman Complex.

>>82060087
Immigration and outsourcing just creates a race to the bottom for the typical first worlder. The only people who economically benefit from (((free trade))) are thirdies, (((shareholders))) and (((business owners))). The average person gets fucked with lower wages and cultural enrichment.

>>82060269
>the economy is a pie of fixed size
lmao bruh we're not in the middle ages anymore the economy can grow it happens all the time

>>82060277
Now tell me who all the growth is going to over the last few decades. Leftoids know the answer to that question when they aren't busy shilling for richfag interests on immigration.

>>82060286
To everyone by any metric you look at anon

>>82060203
If voting statistics are anything to go by it's mostly Cubans followed by Puerto Ricans who do that. I don't live near any areas that have a high population of either so idk what to tell you

>>82060295
OK, guess I hallucinated about the pro-immigration side constantly seething about how the 1% owns something like half the wealth in the country and how most wealth creation is funneled upwards. All those memes about le trickle down economics only exist in my mind.

>>82060315
>pro-immigration side constantly seething about how the 1% owns something like half the wealth
A lot of lefties are not pro-immigration, they're pro-bringing-in-some-people-but-not-a-lot-of-people.
>seething about how the 1% owns something like half the wealth in the country and how most wealth creation is funneled upwards
Wealth is an accounting thing not a standard of living thing. Lefties misunderstand this greatly. Look at real wages and not wealth ownership.
>All those memes about le trickle down economics only exist in my mind
Memes are not reality. Thing exist outside the internet.

>>82058960 (OP)
>only what they say is hateful, what I say is my experience
retard