Thread 82070281

As a mid 20s, white, working class incel, what do I stand to gain from voting for the Democratic Party? I voted for Harris in 2024 mainly because I believe in left leaning and socialist economic policy. I would like things like free healthcare, higher minimum wage, etc. Time and time again we are reminded by establishment democrats that these things simply "aren't feasible" or that they're just so so super difficult to achieve but we're working really hard to get there they promise. I stood to have 20k in student loan debt wiped out by the Biden administration but they abided by the Supreme Court ruling and it never happened.

It's become abundantly clear to me over the past 8 or 9 months, after seeing what the Trump administration has been able to get away with, that it is entirely possible to do whatever the fuck they want, actually, they just don't really feel like it. So why the fuck should I vote for them? Certainly not for LGBT or women's rights, I literally couldn't give less of a fuck about that. If neither party will help the working class, then I might as well vote for the party that doesn't spend every second talking about the plight of trannies, women, and immigrants, while I live paycheck to paycheck. In fact, I hope abortion is fucking banned, maybe it will bring consequences back to sex and lead to a shift towards social conservatism, bringing sanity back to modern dating and reversing the disastrous hoeflation caused by the sexual revolution and online dating. Maybe I'll be able to start a family and actually have some stake in society and a reason to give a fuck. The west really decided to fuck around and find out what happens when you have a generation of vindictive young men with literally nothing to lose. I'm joining the dark side, get fucked.

Bringing consequences back to sex is a very good take and I think were very much missing this in our current society and I agree It would drastically help with hoe inflation good take anon

>>82070281 (OP)

>he takes American politics seriously

It's all a farce based on Epstein-style blackmail. I don't know how anyone can take Western politics seriously anymore after that whole debacle which is still ongoing by the way. Just look at what they're doing to the populace in the UK right now with censorship and internet ID requirements. Very soon, the same pozzed policies will reach American shores in full force. The only thing even slightly holding the government back is fears in the back of their minds about the 2nd Amendment but the American police state is being built up to such an extent that this is more irrelevant day by day.

>>82070281 (OP)
Americas two party system is right wing and right wing but lies about it. You fell for the meme.
That being said giving up on the "plight of immigrants" while complaining no one gives a fuck about the working class is hilarious. Who do you think makes up the working class, its certainly not just white people.

>>82070281 (OP)
For the average apolitcal neet who doesnt really give a fuck about the buzzwords, it's very simple.

If you want to say anything you want, see hot girls on TV, enjoy quality goods (not produced by DEI hires), then you vote Republican.

There is NOTHING a normal, straight, goal oriented man gets from voting Democrat. Literally nothing, no matter how hard you try to convince anyone. Voting blue is just a mental game. You are voting for buzzwords like "equal rights" and "green energy" yet even when Democrats win elections, the fucking electric bills don't go down and everyone is still a cunt. You just now have to tolerate fat, obese, tranny cunts as well.

>>82070281 (OP)
I think it's hilarious that you still think voting matters in principle, even though there is nothing of substance behind your vote. People involved in politics used to make it their entire life's mission to elect representatives and to find good ideas and refine them. Now you just go to a ballot box once every 4 years or whatever to blindly check off a box and say "jobs done XD"

>>82070389
No, my vote doesn't matter, and maybe my principles are shallow, but then society has created a generation of young men with similarly shallow principles and collectively their votes do matter

>>82070412
Explain yourself. 70% of people did not want either candidate to run. The only way their vote mattered was on the subject of illegal migrants, everything else is the same.

>>82070441
Roe v wade
Medicare
Cryptocurrency
Student loan forgiveness
Minimum wage
Are some things the candidates differed in opinion on, at least on the surface

>>82070281 (OP)
read the book Abundance and get back to me

>>82070281 (OP)
>what do I stand to gain from voting for the Democratic Party?
Not empowering the billionaire class and having objectively better environmental policies. China installed 93 gigawatts worth of solar panels in the month of May, meanwhile the USA is currently in the midst of the largest rollback of environmental legislation in its history. We ceded the renewable energy arms race because too many boomers don't understand renewable. 93 gigawatts is enough to power the entire nation of Poland. Every vote against socialist policy is another huge W for China.

>>82070281 (OP)
if trump wants to punish universities, he should make them pay for student loan forgiveness instead of doing all this other shit. now that'd throw a hand grenade into the democrat coalition.

>>82070597
W for china then. Both parties empower billionaires and you're delusional if you think otherwise. Maybe seeing china's success will make people realize that we need to nationalize the assets of billionaires by force

>>82070617
As long as you get a more autocratic system, you could just make the billionaires invest into better environmental policies. The people don't really matter for things like this.

>>82070281 (OP)
I seriously dont understand why any white man would vote left

>>82070671
its usually gays or they're cucked by their wives for muh abortion rights

>>82070597
Don't forget they're putting forever chemicals back in the water kek. It's so over for americhuds.

>>82070281 (OP)
>from voting
AHAHAHAHAHA

>>82070671
>I seriously dont understand why any white man would vote left
I hate rich people. I hate the Christian nationalism inherent to much of the right. I hate how they use culture war issues like trannies, abortion, fags, and being "woke" to distract you from genuine issues like stagnant wages, unfair tax codes, and unaffordable houses.
>>82070695
I think we should bring back the leaded gasoline next so we can achieve peak Boomer brain. Imagine how retarded you become when the microplastics mix with the PFAs AND the lead. Triple whammy.

>>82070710
The thing is the left also uses them as a distraction so that they can get away with not actually doing anything to help the working class. Since both parties are going to fuck over workers, I may as well vote for the one that at least takes womens rights away.

>>82070597
honestly, I would just vote to have the CCP run america at this point.

>>82070597
>having objectively better environmental policies. China
So you want to increase US coal consumption by 6 times? Democrats ain't gonna make it happen.

We need Indian engineers to fix Americans environmentsl policies!

>>82070710
>stagnant wages
No such thing
>unfair tax codes
muh fairness
>unaffordable houses
It's the poor NIMBYs blocking housing development because they don't want their house value to drop

>>82071084
>No such thing
Wages haven't kept up with GDP growth since 1971. Insane denial.

https://wtfhappenedin1971.com/

>>82071091
>Wages haven't kept up with GDP growth since 1971
>stagnate wages
These are two separate things. Wages aren't stagnate, in nominal or real terms, even if they trailed GDP growth. If you mean one thing and say another, people will obviously assume you meant what you said instead of the thing you meant.

>>82071097
>Proven wrong
>B-b-but semantics
lol ok

>>82071099
Haha yeah totally anon good job there really convinced me. Guess wages haven't grown after all!

>>82071084
>No such thing
In 1970 median rent was 50% of the minimum wage
In 2024 median rent was 130% of the minimum wage.

>>82071118
In 1970 a cellphone was 1000% of yearly median income and now it's 0.5% of yearly median income

>>82071105
no he's right, you're being a faggot who's arguing semantics, and worse you don't even know what the words you're using mean. "stagnate wages" doesn't necessarily mean wages stopped growing entirely if you really want to play this obnoxious game, it means their growth has stalled commensurate to the rise in cost of living, which it has. you're doing the imageboard/forum equivalent of a verbal "wwweeeelll TECHNICALLY" in a casual discussion and everyone wants to punch you in your dumb ass face for it. we all know what that anon meant. stop being a queer.

>>82071145
>stalled commensurate to the rise in cost of living
And yet real wages are consistently up in the 1970s-current period. Real wages cannot be essentially at all time highs and significantly above where they were in the 1970s if they've been "stagnate" since the 70s.

>Executive Order: Ending Crime and Disorder on America's Streets

>The Secretary of Housing and Urban Development shall take appropriate measures and revise regulations as necessary to allow, where permissible under applicable law, federally funded programs to exclusively house women and children and to stop sex offenders who receive homelessness assistance through such programs from being housed with unrelated children.

Your best hope is a technocrat party led by tech autists who actually hate women

>>82071128
>In 1970 a cellphone was 1000% of yearly median income and now it's 0.5% of yearly median income
Deflection.
Runaway money printing by private banks is key reason of everything turning to shit for ordinary man.

>>82071179
>chart
That spike is from M1 getting a classification change, it's not real they just added savings deposits into M1 from M2.

>>82071187
That is not spike that is the problem.

>>82070281 (OP)
The Democrat party is at the midst of an identity crisis between the donor class and the public. Cucking out to the billionaires right now in this very crucial moment would be foolish

>>82071211
Do you like, not understand how the modern economic system works? Even mises concedes that the gold standard was significantly worse for stability and growth lmao. You aren't meant to hold dollars, you're meant to hold productive assets. Or just buy gold if you're so into that. Currency that doesn't inflate is not useful.

>>82071211
And if you take inflation trajectory before gold standard canceling you will end with prices including hous prices 6 times less than today.
Imagine paying 6 times less for rent and houses. What is breath of fresh air for ordinary man. It changes everything.
But you can't have that when private banks print money (lending in fractional reserve fiat is creation of new money).
People are essentially competing and working to feed money printers owners and nobody addresses that.

>>82071247
Housing prices are up because we routinely undersupply housing in high demand areas
https://www.mercatus.org/research/policy-briefs/housing-was-undersupplied-during-great-housing-bubble
It has nothing to do with the gold standard which actually had much higher inflation and variance of inflation than the modern post-bretton woods era.

>>82070281 (OP)
honestly fucking based OP I didn't vote last year but I'll probably throw a straight republican mail in for 2026, might as well go full accelerationist

>>82071231
Mises proposed private money. It's opposite to government monopoly money (and current system is even more redicolous when government delegates monopoly of printing money to private banks? Wtf lol). Mises money is BTC now compare BTC value change with dollar.

>>82071281
I didn't say I agreed with Mises, just that Mises wasn't in favor of a gold standard. I'm not a lolbert. You do not want your currency to move like BTC. You want a constant, small, highly predictable rate of inflation. BTC is not and never will be a commonly adopted currency. People use it primarily for speculation, not for commerce.

>>82071264
>Housing prices are up because we routinely undersupply housing in high demand areas
Absolutely wrong and deflection by banking tribe.
Housing prices in fractional reserve fiat money supply would hoaver around 35-50% of you income payments as mortgage/rent REGARDLESS of housing supply. (35-50% is rate of debt to income ratio banks are allowed to max out with lending).
This is how money printing works.
You compete against money printer on housing market. Mortgage is direct pipeline money printer -> housing prices.

>>82071304
>Housing prices in fractional reserve fiat money supply would hoaver around 35-50% of you income payments as mortgage/rent REGARDLESS of housing supply
You are denying supply and demand? What the fuck?

>>82071288
>just that Mises wasn't in favor of a gold standard. I'm not a lolbert. You do not want your currency to move like BTC.
Yes Mises wasn't of favor of a gold standard, but you said only first part of his opinion, his second part was literally replacing currency with assortment of freely competing cryptos (before cryto). So yes BTC, and you conveniently omitted this part.

>>82071314
Supply doesn't matter when demand is infinite. Again buying house is financed by money printer via mortgage. It would always max at max allowed income to debt ratio.

>>82071322
>you conveniently omitted this part
It's not convenient and I would take crypto over the fucking gold standard. My point was that the gold standard is fucking stupid not that Mises was in favor of USDs.

>>82071333
>My point was that the gold standard is fucking stupid not that Mises
Your point is to quote Mises wrong.

>>82071328
Demand for housing is infinite? Are you retarded anon? You have no idea what you're talking about.

>>82071338
I didn't quote Mises

>>82070281 (OP)
>If Trump can do it that means our side can do it!

Lol no, learn how your government works retard

>>82071339
Because of the mortgage yes.
Let's assume you have $100K at hand and want to buy a house. But there is another guy who wants to buy that house and he has $90K saved. But he be like " ill take $200K mortgage!" And he snatches house under you nose. So you with left without house or forced to take larger mortgage. And now you two guys competing who would take larger mortgage and this race maxes at your maximum possible debt to income ratio banks can lend you. So housing prices are function of your income not housing supply.

>>82071346
>I didn't quote Mises
ORLY?

>>82071231
>Even mises concedes that the gold standard was significantly worse for stability and growth lmao.
What Mises actually was saying uncontrollable money printing is very bad and should be curbed. His solution was free market of private issued money (and unironically his genius was somewhat right see crypto and BTC value).

>>82071681
You don't want to play debt game with money printer?
Not my problem! Someone else will!

I'm also quite left in terms of economy, but I HATE women, niggers and faggots

>>82070281 (OP)
I voted Harris because I am beyond tired of old retarded fucks being entrusted with anything beyond what soup they are having for dinner, but the dem party at the top dont give a remote fuck about any of that shit either. There is a self important they go low we go high attitude at best, and otherwise they are the exact same as the repubs and just make a spectacle for show. All of the ones in office now getting completly btfo in midterms will be what decides whether or not they are relevant at all anymore.