Thread 82081289 - /r9k/ [Archived: 100 hours ago]

Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:05:46 AM No.82081289
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>1/3 Asian women date white men

Brutal. I feel bad for ricecels and hapas.

https://youtu.be/c29qq68XcCU
Replies: >>82081327 >>82081423 >>82081507 >>82081566 >>82081574 >>82081675 >>82083203
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:09:32 AM No.82081327
>>82081289 (OP)
This guy is a porn freak that is filled with misinfo. He even said in one video that black males are taller than white males. You can look that up and know that is wrong right there. He is a porn cuck.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:20:32 AM No.82081418
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lmfao
I didn't even need to watch the video to know he was going to go on about black males again. Listen, bro, WMAF VASTLY outnumbers BMWF.
Replies: >>82083185 >>82083275 >>82083438
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:21:12 AM No.82081423
>>82081289 (OP)
>1/3 Asian women date white men
In Western nations sure.
Have you considered going the fuck home?
Replies: >>82081462 >>82081557
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:26:03 AM No.82081462
>>82081423
Riceceldom even works in Asia too.

t. Ricecel who's been living in Riceland for all of his life
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:28:54 AM No.82081483
All his theories go out the window when you look at the data. The reason white men are pairing with Asian women at such a high rate is because Asian women are currently the most valuable women, or at least the most valuable Becky. Why? Because they are skinniest. This isn't a view held just by white men, it is held by all men because we can observe their actions on dating apps. Asian women are the most sought after demographic on apps.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:30:52 AM No.82081497
>>82081483
and btw, WMAF was a huge phenomenon long before the "rise of BBC porn"
What a weird theory, bro. Ngl.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:32:02 AM No.82081507
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>>82081289 (OP)
What about the white girls dating asian guys for a green card?
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:37:11 AM No.82081536
>>82081507
I live in Canada and AMWF is more common than you may think. I really don't care, I'm white and I just find Asian women sweet and friendly compared to the obnoxious fat hog beasts most women have become.
Replies: >>82081558 >>82083023 >>82083023 >>82083213
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:39:52 AM No.82081557
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>>82081423

it's over even in the homeland
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:40:11 AM No.82081558
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>>82081536
I got 1 guess as to the city you live in and it's Vancouver
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:41:14 AM No.82081564
You wouldn't want to be with most of those Asian women who go for white guys. Some of them are just incidentally attracted to you, and that's fine, but if a woman is excluding her own race and culture that's a red flag.

t. white guy who lives in Asia
Replies: >>82081578 >>82081661
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:41:35 AM No.82081566
>>82081289 (OP)
Isn't that down to population? Asians are like 3% of the population.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:42:02 AM No.82081574
>>82081289 (OP)
Good news for me because they're my preferred race and I'm white.

*incoming seething ricecels*

[ BWC Always Wins ]
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:42:31 AM No.82081575
>>82081557
If you are a Korean man it's only just beginning. Korean dudes are lusted after all over Asia, just not by Korean women funnily enough. You can score easily anywhere else though.
Replies: >>82081601 >>82081608
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:42:38 AM No.82081578
>>82081564
I agree with this take. It's like those white liberal women that hate white men and date other races. They are easily manipulated and unstable.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:45:14 AM No.82081601
>>82081575
I watched a white guy and Korean duo (streamers) slay their way through South East Asia together. It was something beautiful. Chang and Chad slaying the brown slant puss together.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:46:07 AM No.82081608
white woman goes to south korea expecting k-pop model men_thumb.jpg
>>82081575

maybe if you're a k-pop tier chang. not everyone is the Trickster from dead by daylight
Replies: >>82081642 >>82081665 >>82082213 >>82083278 >>82083334 >>82083528
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:51:01 AM No.82081642
>>82081608
Dude, I live here in East Asia in Taiwan. Koreans have an automatic +4 to their /10 score just for existing (so do Jap guys but it seems like Koreans get the bonus in other countries too)
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:53:36 AM No.82081661
>>82081564
>excluding her own race and culture that's a red flag.
Maybe she just likes white guys features. Its not that deep.
Replies: >>82081679
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:53:47 AM No.82081665
>>82081608
>goes to Korea expecting to be approached by a top 1% kpop model
Do white women really?
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:55:31 AM No.82081675
>>82081289 (OP)
More like 2/3 outside of any eastern country
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:55:44 AM No.82081678
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indian men are smashing yellow pussy too
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 5:56:00 AM No.82081679
>>82081661
>Some of them are just incidentally attracted to you, and that's fine
Brother, I even said that in my post. But regardless you don't immediately know that when you meet an Asian woman.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 7:08:57 AM No.82082213
>>82081608
The thing is most of the guys she showed are easily dateable
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:33:21 AM No.82083023
>>82081536
>>82081536
>is more common than you think
it's statistically closer than people think
people on r9k are just retarded
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:42:14 AM No.82083082
>>82081678
>timmuttoo
>mutt
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:43:58 AM No.82083093
Suddenly racemixxing is bad when it is white men doing it. You all cheer it on if a white woman does it however. lol
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:45:19 AM No.82083099
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>>82081557
That why they date white women instead.
Replies: >>82083108
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:46:39 AM No.82083108
>>82083099
You posted a bunch of fat women, bro
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:51:15 AM No.82083138
>>82083093
Why you lying? This board is the complete opposite.
White masculinity threads hit bump limit consistently.
Asian male threads get less than 50 responses and half of them are white guys insulting Asians lmao.
Replies: >>82083151
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:52:39 AM No.82083151
>>82083138
Nigger, you spend all day spamming white girls with niggers on this board lmfao. It is basically a career for you all.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:54:35 AM No.82083156
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>>82083151
Why would I do that when I can spam this? You are accusing the wrong people here.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:55:52 AM No.82083163
>>82083156
I don't give a fuck about any of you gross ethnics or your ugly ching chong women either. Obsessed fucking faggot.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:56:54 AM No.82083170
Truly do hate Asians. They are just spineless niggers.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:59:36 AM No.82083183
>>82083151
>>82083163
Cry more lmao
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 9:59:46 AM No.82083185
>>82081327
>>82081418
If you go to his comment section, it is just a bunch of nigcels all gassed up by his videos
>shiieeeet nigga we best at sports
>shieeeet muh motha fucking dick
>shieeeet wez at the tops of the sexual hierachy
>dis Azn man gets it
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:03:38 AM No.82083203
>>82081289 (OP)
jfc ricecels are an embarrassment. This video is proof most of the nigger cuck shit is being spammed by mind broken ricecels.
This faggot can't stop bringing this shit up even though it has nothing to do with the topic because they think its getting back at the white man

Imagine a race of males so pathetic they need to shill another race to get back at white men taking all the asian girls
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:04:02 AM No.82083205
>>82083203
Dude stop samefagging the thread LMOA
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:05:13 AM No.82083213
>>82081536
I'm not even interested in white women because they're racist af to us
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:05:14 AM No.82083214
>>82083203
Every video he is going on about black dick. I'm not even joking. That's why I stopped listening to this cuck.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:08:53 AM No.82083235
>>82083213
Take it from a white man, browncels/ricecels that pursue white women are just dumb and porn addicted retards.
You are trying to score with the women we are rejecting FOR A REASON lmao.
Every time ricecels hear this they think the white man is trying to dissuade them from dating white women.
white women live in white women world they are not on the same planet as all the other humans.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:10:52 AM No.82083247
White guys go with Asian women because Asian women make it easy for them. It truly is that simple...
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:12:55 AM No.82083258
>>82083247
asian women are just not brain damaged like white women.
They are more aggressive in flirtation. They see a white man they want they are flirting hard so even the most autistic white man cant mistake what they are doing
You can legit read chinese historians talk about this asian women are just more direct in getting what they want.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:13:31 AM No.82083263
>>82081483
It's not because they're skinny dumb ass it's because they're more agreeable than white women
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:15:30 AM No.82083269
I want to clear up some misinfo or copes I see about white male and Asian female couples

>misinfo 1: interracial marriages have higher divorce rates
While this may be true overall, it isn't true when being used against white men
>WM in interracial marriages have a 10.06% decrease in divorce rate.
>WM and Asian woman are 30% less likely to divorce than white pairings.

>misinfo 2: foreign Asian women only want white men for a passport and they plan on divorce raping him when they get it.
While we do not have exact percentages for foreign born vs American born Asian women, we do know that
>Divorce rates differ significantly between foreign-born and U.S.-born Asian wives married to white men. Research suggests that foreign-born Asian women in interracial marriages tend to experience lower divorce rates compared to their U.S.-born counterparts.
So it is safe to assume that the divorce rate between white men and foreign born Asian women is in the single digits.

Another commonly held belief that I see propagated is that white men are settling for Asian women because they are losing white women to the "better man," particularly black men according to incels. Well surely this would present itself in the satisfaction rates of these unions, right? But no
>divorce rates for white women in interracial marriages are about 33.51% higher than for same-race white couples.
So as you can see the "interracial marriages have higher divorce rates" does apply to white women, just not white men. To further add
>divorce rate for white women in interracial marriages is about 91% higher than for white men married to Asian women.
>and for black man and white woman specifically it is 85% higher than white couples! This pairing has the highest divorce rate out of any pairing.
>The divorce rate for white women and black men is about 164% higher than for white men married to Asian women.
>women file for divorce 85% of the time.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:15:59 AM No.82083271
>>82083263
highly agreeable
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:16:56 AM No.82083275
Additional findings
>In a study, it was found that white women in unions with black men are 8 lower in IQ compared to the white median
And this lines up with the pairings lower earnings, being the lowest earning of all interracial pairings
>In a study, it was found that white women paired with black men tend to be heavier than AVERAGE
Remember, average is already overweight in the US. This would indicate to me that they are on the upper end of overweight or trending into the obese category. Also, in countless studies it has been found that people with high BMIs tend to be lower in intelligence. Wealthier Americans tend to have lower BMIs than the poor. Thus supporting the previous findings.

>>82081418
Also this, these pairings just outnumber black male, white female pairings by over double.
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:18:42 AM No.82083278
>>82081608
rofl dumb bitch. all koreaboos are retards
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:20:47 AM No.82083292
>>82083269
>>82083275
Also, I just want to add, I don't support interracial relationships. I just hate lies because I'm autistic. Clearly white women that pair with black are losers. White men that pair with Asian women tend to be high earners. That's just fact. It is the second highest earning interracial pairing behind Asian men and white women.
Replies: >>82083312
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:22:19 AM No.82083300
>>82083235
>with the women we are rejecting FOR A REASON lmao.
Sounds like you got sent your own way by a white woman and now how to cope by getting a SEA monkey wife.
Replies: >>82083318
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:24:09 AM No.82083312
>>82083292
If my point is not clear, btw, white men that date Asian women are not even in the same CLASS as white women that date black men. In countless studies it has been shown that people tend to date within their class. You are talking about people that are on opposite sides of the class hierarchy and claiming one is coping with Asian women because he couldn't get the ghetto trailer park fat white woman.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:25:11 AM No.82083318
>>82083300
keep obsessing about white women you cant have asian boy
Replies: >>82083374
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:27:12 AM No.82083329
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Here it is btw, just in case you think I'm making shit up. They are not even in the same class. lol
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:28:19 AM No.82083334
>>82081608
>>82083278
She's not a koreaboo. If I remember correctly, she was a white feminist who hated Koreans for being incels and misogynistic I suppose, so she made this bait. Korean women all supported her for making fun of korean men. I saw it on Twitter.
Replies: >>82083345 >>82083470
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:28:59 AM No.82083338
>>82083329
>2010
You sure show em grandpa.
Replies: >>82083346
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:29:57 AM No.82083345
>>82083334
i suppose that makes sense, i still think koreaboos are dumb fucks

They are like a mix of autistic people, gullible people and those creepy white people that promote china
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:30:03 AM No.82083346
>>82083338
Whatever you need to tell yourself. Just know you are coping and you have no proof to any of your claims.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:31:08 AM No.82083351
>asian incels get filtered by their women
>pedestal white women
>then think they have a chance with the top white women
isnt this absolutely the most retarded life strategy?
If you are a loser you arent getting the white stacey
Replies: >>82083365 >>82083389
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:33:55 AM No.82083365
>>82083351
The problem is the average white woman is fat and ricecels can't stand fat women (rightfully so)
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:36:22 AM No.82083374
>>82083318
>Mad because he can't get a white woman
kek
Replies: >>82083392
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:38:13 AM No.82083386
>>82083365
white women live in white women world where even the mid white women have a self inflated sense of worth. They are bombarded with positive attention from their own community and men in general. Then add the internet and the infinite jeet attention. Their perspective on things is not the same as the rest of humanity.
Replies: >>82083392
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:39:00 AM No.82083389
>>82083365
based and true

>>82083351
they deserve the best and they get it
Replies: >>82083398
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:39:20 AM No.82083392
>>82083374
I've only been with white women, ricedik. I don't think they are special like you do
You people are exactly why this exists>>82083386
Replies: >>82083396
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:40:10 AM No.82083395
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I laugh at this every time. It's called selective sorting bros.
Replies: >>82083462
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:40:23 AM No.82083396
>>82083392
uh huh that's why you passport bro in SEA kek
Replies: >>82083406 >>82083410
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:40:25 AM No.82083398
>>82083389
never seen an asian guy with a good white gf they are always dating the women no one wants
Replies: >>82083469
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:41:25 AM No.82083406
>>82083396
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Replies: >>82083437
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:42:30 AM No.82083410
>>82083396
The subject isn't about SEA. It is about American Asians clearly. Did you watch the video?
Replies: >>82083419 >>82083443
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:43:46 AM No.82083419
>>82083410
Does indian consider as asian?
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:45:42 AM No.82083431
Do you remember when blackpillers were once data driven autistic white guys? Now it is just porn brained ethnics. It is actually sad what has happened to the blackpill community.
Replies: >>82083547
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:45:59 AM No.82083433
ricecels are retarded
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:46:16 AM No.82083437
>>82083406
You're getting so much pussy you're spamming porn on 4chan lolol
Replies: >>82083463
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:46:26 AM No.82083438
>>82081418
>muh marriage
So whites like to marry and be betabux until divorce. Meanwhile black bvlls impregnate and dip
Replies: >>82083454
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:46:59 AM No.82083443
>>82083410
it's the usual cope by racist ricecels that white men are only dating "ugly" SEA mail order brides
Replies: >>82083452
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:47:32 AM No.82083452
>>82083443
That's mostly what happens though
Replies: >>82083461 >>82083473
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:47:53 AM No.82083454
>>82083438
Good for them I guess? I don't want to pay child support for the rest of my life to some fat black woman. If that's what you want, go for it.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:48:56 AM No.82083461
>>82083452
No, clearly what mostly happens is white men with American Asian women. Are you retarded? I thought Asians were good at math.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:48:57 AM No.82083462
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>>82083395
>black male with fat white girl
>asian male with nerdy black girl
>fit short mulatto with tall ugly white girl
>latino guy with mid mulatto girl
>white guy with cute short asian girl

this is literally all the couples i see everyday perfectly incapsulated
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:48:58 AM No.82083463
>>82083437
you are getting so much white womenz you are in a thread seething about it

You ricecels are such bitches
Replies: >>82083478
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:50:09 AM No.82083469
>>82083398
oh yeah good job making all the white girls who date asian guys feel bad
NOT
asian guys get the best white girls
Replies: >>82083479
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:50:11 AM No.82083470
>>82083334
I remember seeing that thread as a Korean guy and it was so blackpilling. Literally zero asian woman stuck up for us. If anything, they support her and called her a Queen.
Replies: >>82083551
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:50:20 AM No.82083473
>>82083452
it really isn't. Maybe in countries like Finland.
But in the English speaking west there have been asian women here naturalised for generations now.
Also white men all over asia have a high rate of success with women.
Replies: >>82083482
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:51:17 AM No.82083478
>>82083463
>replies instantly to anything
Yeah you're such a schlayer kek
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:51:21 AM No.82083479
>>82083469
you are delusional. The best white girls are so far out of your league you never see them.
You are getting scraps
Replies: >>82083486
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:51:49 AM No.82083482
>>82083473
I'll just say I have only ever seen white men with 4ft5 SEA women here
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 10:52:35 AM No.82083486
>>82083479
agreed lol
but it still happens
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 11:02:36 AM No.82083528
>>82081608
>not everyone is the Trickster from dead by daylight
What if you are literally trickster from DBD down to the childhood trauma and being highly social and histrionic and impulsive and bloodthirsty like wanting to bash peoples heads with me a bat like me (lol only half Korean though)

I dunno if I should consider myself lucky or cursed I am virgin but never had trouble attracting female attention I feel like for me Korean privilege is legit higher than white privilege I can't tell you how many normie girls approached me simply because they said they liked kdramas/kpop and thought it was cool (so do I lol) too bad Koreans are going extinct 0.8 birth rate :( replaced by poos soon I need to find a cute girl to preserve my culture and genetics with
Replies: >>82083549
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 11:05:52 AM No.82083547
>>82083431
It was always 50% autists max alot of ideological people were big contributors to it like Eggy wasn't a scholar mostly a drunk but he literally invented the blackpill and became the voice of the movement and one of its biggest marketers also if you look into the data too much you can't help but get greypilled or ascend though the disdain for women always partially remains
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 11:06:05 AM No.82083549
>>82083528
lol korean guys are delusional
Replies: >>82083557
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 11:06:18 AM No.82083551
>>82083470
it's funny when Korean women pretend to hate white men because they're "fetishizing them" or whatever but they hate their own men the most.
i don't think they're even mad at the fetishism because they play into it with plausible deniability. which is fine but i hate how they don't want us to get any, so they warn other race of women whenever they remotely show any interest in korean men.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 11:08:09 AM No.82083557
>>82083549
Lol perhaps who are you though it's easy to be high and mighty when others reveal things about themselves and you remain a featureless voice. At least I'm not a sneering coward.
Replies: >>82083574
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 11:12:17 AM No.82083574
>>82083557
>im a virgin
>i have lots of success
wtf
Replies: >>82083599
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 11:12:49 AM No.82083576
Ethnics get what they deserve for being against segregation policies. Literally everyone could be living in their own bubble but you just want the white man's shit and it backfired on you.
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 11:15:58 AM No.82083589
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I don't know why every guy here is acting like Asian women will only date White men when that's not even true.

Every racial statistic states that every race prefers their own (yes, even Black men with Black women and vice versa). You can see from interracial relationships statistics that Asian women are increasingly pairing/preferring Asian men as time goes on. You can see this stat in a more extreme form when you compare interracial relationships from 1980s to those from the 2010s. Asian women and White men pairing decreased from 1/2 to 1/3 of all relationships for Asian women.

Interesting the interracial relationship ratio between Asian men and women were very similar in the 1980s, but the disparity started to appear as time with went, the ratio of interracial relationships was in the high 40% for anyone wondering.

The explanation for why interracial relationships between Asian men and women were equal, then dissimilar, and now decreasing (from Asian women) is multifaceted, but it likely all revolves around status (rising China lol). Think about the amount of China, Korean, Japanese, and Taiwanese products you use that ranges from food all the way to entertainment
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Anonymous
8/5/2025, 11:18:11 AM No.82083599
>>82083574
Because I don't wanna lose my virginity to some random whore I have BPD its complicated I simp and obsess over specific women usually 4-7 years older than me for example I have a FP right now I met in the psych ward but I also kinda (I think) got asked out by a girl in uni which is pretty rare I have had opportunities to lose it like offers for one night stands but if I can't imagine myself in a LTR with that person then I will decline because I actually have options unlike most guys who are deeply insecure call it copium maybe it is but I'm definitely what some would call a fakecel
Anonymous
8/5/2025, 11:18:59 AM No.82083601
>>82083589
its because WMAF is downplayed a lot. Its more widespread then people believe.
Part of the issue is seething white karens in the media want it to never be shown