All of life is luck. People who think effort matters are lazy and have had others enabling them throughout through luck of birth.

>>82097513 (OP)
Effort matters a lot, friend
I'm going through some shit right now and I don't think I'll make it to 30

And the fucked up thing is that it's all my fault, I chose this road, now it's all come back to bite my ass

bump orgorgorgorg

>>82097538
I already explained the people who think effort matters, you just categorized yourself by my post, the rest of your post is straight into the garbage bin.

Agreed, its all basically just luck. But the priviledged lucky ones don't realize it.

Mostly just luck and being surrounded by the right people (which is also luck), yes.
I can point to the exact events and situations that really cratered my life.
1: coming into contact with one particular bully
2: the only available friends I had as a child being people who didn't particularly treat me well when all was said and done
3: not having any brothers, and having a largely unavailable father
4: having an overly protective and delusional mother
5: many of my teachers being vindictive uncaring assholes, who made me disengage from work
6: simply not having any opportunities to meet women for large stretches of my life
7: probable agoraphobia that went undiagnosed because people just thought I was lazy

How could I have fixed any of that with "effort"?

Shit just isn't that binary. It's luck and effort.

If you grind, then when you get a lucky break you have the mindset to seize the opportunity, and the skills to make it work. If you have shit mindset, and don't put any work in, you will not even recognise opportunities, and you wont have the skills to utilize them either.

>>82098364
Even developing that kind of mindset mostly implies supportive figures in your life who taught you to think that way, or enough early wins that it just came easily.

If a disabled bipolar faggot who got disowned can do, you can too. My trick was reading tons of self development and smoking tons of weed, it wasn't easy, it wasn't instant and I still work on it everyday.

But shit, maybe my luck was failing my suicide attempts because I'm too strong to die from toilet cleaner

>>82098437
>read self help
>internalise the message
>still stuck because I can't go outside or find anyone to talk to who is actually good for me
Wow, that didn't work.

> Current location is not working out for me
> Don't work to move somewhere else
> Just complain

I had to move to another country to get laid. Take charge of your own fucking life. Before y'all say that was luck, I had to work a shit call center job that made me cry in the bathroom at work to do it. Embrace suffering as a tool for change, it's way more bearable when you know you are suffering for something.

>>82098508
>>82098437
>>82098364
Spoiled babies shrieking after OP pointed out their success was handed to them and they didn't earn it

>>82098105
We can't expect God to do all the work, faggot

> complain
> complain
> complain
> wonder why nothing gets better
> continue to complain

Many such cases

That's another black pill people aren't ready to accept. Most the rich or influential people came from backgrounds where their family has the connections to give them their societal power. Go research the history of the most successful people right now and 99% of them came from families that were already rich or got rich through connections.

>>82098663
>>82098711
Spoiled babies continue shrieking after OP pointed out their success was handed to them and they didn't earn it

If free will doesn't exist, then it really is all up to chance. It's decided you will succeed or fail before birth, can't do anything about it.

>>82098749
Free will can't overcome the magnitude of luck, no matter how real or fake it is.

>>82098747
>spoiled
Nigger I'm losing my house next month

>>82098768
Shoulda put in more effort lazy lazy

>>82098747
>complain
>complain
>complain
>complain
>complain
>wallow in misery

>>82098787
No I think I'll be homeless for a while and maybe later I'll live with you, OP
Is your mom single?

> no effort
> no results

There is no way these two things could be connected right anons?

>>82097513 (OP)
While luck matters, the people who succeed also wouldn't be there if they didn't put in the effort. You can, at any moment, throw your entire life away and waste your fortune no matter how much money or people you have around you. You can give up and waste your luck of birth whenever you want.

Say, for example, you were born with tall and good looking genes but didn't like to socialize or talk with other people to make use of it. If you never put in the daily effort of getting comfortable being around others, then you'd never have sex.

But let's pretend it is all luck. Are you going to resent other people because you're envious? Are you so disgusted by inequality that you'd harm others to bring them down to your level?

>>82098911
you're right, every NEET should get everything ever, they should get neetbux, state-mandated gfs, and free wifi forever

I know someone who had a million+ trust fund. He got with a 3/10 girl and they spent it all on partying, opiates and moronic failed business ideas, then she cheated and left him and now he lives on his rich parents farm and they make him do manual labor in the field because they are ashamed of him...

His two year older brother is very successful and works camera on big movies...

You really can just have it all handed to you and fuck it up

>>82098931
>Say, for example, you were born with tall and good looking genes but didn't like to socialize or talk with other people to make use of it. If you never put in the daily effort of getting comfortable being around others, then you'd never have sex.
What an insane disproven bullshit cope lmao. Chads like that can just stand mute in the corner and women come up to them and offer them Sex.

>>82099475
waaaah waaaah waaaah waaaah

ur wrong!!! im right!!! its all luck!!!

>>82097513 (OP)
This. The number of sexual partners that a woman has is pure luck. They don't get to choose how they live or who they sleep with, the whole "effort" bullshit is cope.

>>82097513 (OP)
Where was this "all of life is luck" rhetoric when people told me to stop bullying incels? Why is it suddenly wrong to bully incels if i'm just unlucky enough to be born as a bully to incels? I am not spending any time or effort on calling out incels for their laziness, it's just luck making me do that.

>>82098791
>>82098843
>>82098911
>>82099501
Shrieking pampered babies that mommy and daddy called their precious sweet baby boys oh yes widdle boo boo good boys who had everything handed to them upset that OP called them out for being lazy and having everything handed to them in life.

Its nwot wuck its effort. I am study hard now I am NASA astrophysicist tech billionaire despite the down syndrome. Sure, there is not a single example in recorded history of a down syndrome person being a self-made millionaire but l-le-le forest gump effort!

>>82098931
I agree that we shouldn't resent successful people. And taking their hard earned cash to fund handouts for losers is inherently resentful. We need to get rid of orphan programs for orphaned children, state aid for the poor of any kind. No more resentment lmao

>>82099860
Based. There has never been a blonde girl with big boobs who has been considered attractive in history because it's all just luck and has nothing to do with physical features.

>>82097513 (OP)
Effort matters for some things but not others. There are many things that can be achieved only through effort (for example, physical strength by adhering to an exercise routine with a reasonable diet), but many more things that can only be achieved through luck.
Just because you are focused on the parts that need luck doesn't mean that the parts that need effort don't exist.

>>82100014
Being blonde and big boobed are genetic luck like down syndrome

>>82098310
>C R A T E R E D
>when all was said and done

>>82100099
A person who trains to be strong will never be as strong as someone born by luck to be strong.

>>82100233
Sure, but both can become strong. Is the fact that you cannot outperform those with luck a reason to not strive for any self improvement?

>>82100214
genetic luck literally doesn't matter. it's all just based on the luck of the moment.

>>82100247
becoming strong is impossible. you have the same strength now as you did the day you were born. our muscles don't change over time.

>>82097513 (OP)
True. I've faced extremely strenuous circumstances growing up and as a young adult, and despite it all I've persevered simply due to certain dispositions of which I've had no control over (I am autistic and from a young age I sought to understand everything via philosophical frameworks, which culminated in a passion for philosophy that ultimately made me adjust my life in the most optimal way, allowing for healing to take place over time; if I was a normie, I likely wouldn't have arrived at where I am today without significant help, help that I wasn't sufficiently provided, meaning if I wasn't as resilient and internally fixated as I am, I wouldn't have made it). I was also lucky to be in a financially well off family that permitted me to study philosophy for my bachelors, instead of something I'd hate with all of my being.

>>82099475
>What an insane disproven bullshit cope lmao. Chads like that can just stand mute in the corner and women come up to them and offer them Sex.
Sometimes, sure, because lucky genes do matter. Mentalcels exist and will ruin it by saying the wrong thing or avoiding the woman and sabatoging their chances. Those people can't be approached by women if women don't even find out about them, for example. They can refuse to try and never actually find a woman. They could fatten themselves up and never groom and look like shit, even with good genes.


>>82099889
>I agree that we shouldn't resent successful people. And taking their hard earned cash to fund handouts for losers is inherently resentful. We need to get rid of orphan programs for orphaned children, state aid for the poor of any kind. No more resentment lmao
Well, it's not just cash, and you know it. Would you tear a white child from his mother to give to a black mother, for example? Would you, upon seeing a happy couple, attempt to ruin their relationship by tearing them apart so that they aren't "above you" anymore? Orphan programs were never what I was talking about since the taking from the rich benefits the poor in that example. Would you, drug a chad off the streets, and inject hrt into his bloodstream for 6 months because you don't like how he didn't "earn" being stronger than you since earning conceptually doesn't exist in your mind?

The world is not a fair place, especially when you think it's all just luck and people have no agency. But would you go out of your way to ruin other people's lives just because yours sucks?

>>82097513 (OP)
>People who think effort matters are lazy
They're not lazy, they're stupid. Effort alone is foolishness, but effort with an additional factor like nepotism can lead to positive results. People who put a lot of effort into their Walmart job will likely be taken advantage of and suffer, but people who put a lot of effort into working at their uncles lumber yard might just end up the owner of the yard someday. It's all about who you know and that influences whether effort will matter or not.

>>82100312
Mentalcels don't exist lmao
Also random letters that don't exist in nature have exactly 0% effect on women, it's all LOOKS LOOKS LOOKS

>>82100271
No no no, genetics don't make the final say in outcomes. That's why manlet strength athletes in the Philippines are setting all the world records, which is where the only payback for weightlifting and strength exists.

>>82100362
Looks do nothing. It's all about luck. The ugliest retard on earth still gets women if he's lucky.

>>82100375
genetic determinism is TRVTH.

some people are born with blue hair, some people are born strong. get over ti.

>>82100385
He most definitely doesn't. He IS lucky.

>>82100406
The ONLY thing that matters is luck. Nobody gives a fuck about looks.

>>82100432
It wasn't luck. It was someone helping you.

>>82100447
Yeah, His name is the God of Luck

>>82100453
is God of Luck tall or manlet?

>>82100476
Height doesn't matter. Just luck.

>>82100362
>Mentalcels don't exist lmao
>Also random letters that don't exist in nature have exactly 0% effect on women, it's all LOOKS LOOKS LOOKS
What good are looks if hot women never see you because you never go out? What good are looks if destroy your looks by neglecting and abusing your body? What good are looks if you never attach weights to your penis and train your flexing and ejaculating muscles?

>>82100489
Height is luck

>>82100510
Not even the blast from a nuclear bomb could change how someone looks. Your genes are law.

>>82100718
I love how angry you are

>>82100714
Height is cringe and worthless.
Luck is everything. The shortest man on earth can just get lucky and have everything he wants in life.

>>82100718
>the effects of chewing tobbaco.
Oh yeah, I'm sure chad would look great after losing half his fucking face.

>>82100791
tobacco has genetics too

>>82100793
You mean in the leaf? What are you talking about? Of course, tobbaco has genetics.

If you mean that some people genetically deal better with tobacco than others, you can still sidestep the whole issue by putting in effort to not get addicted to it in the first place. You could have otherwise great genes and then throw it away by picking up chewing tobacco and not being able to stop.

You could know it's bad for you and not take any steps to take yourself off of it because they're hard.

>>82100791
Just be lucky and don't get cancer, duh

>>82100749
You're so mad lol

>>82100224
so many weird sharty schizos lately

>>82100844
It's a guy really angry at the people who made fun of the effort ideologues so he's being a checking epic hacker troll

>>82100910
being mad doesn't matter. it's all luck.

>>82098386
It's the opposite, if you grow up actually broke, not holiday once a year broke, more like "I need to make friends to eat a meal on a weekend broke", you get that drive to earn money.

It's the 2 parent households spoiled at home no sibling kids who tend to spurt out this "it's all luck" drivel, despite being some of the most privileged people in the world.

>>82098931
>But let's pretend it is all luck. Are you going to resent other people because you're envious?
absolutely
>Are you so disgusted by inequality that you'd harm others to bring them down to your level?
would if i could, maybe you'd stop treating me like trash if you felt a fraction of what i do every day

>>82100954
Your hands are shaking you're so upset lmao

>>82100973
No this is the pampered perspective op called out. Trying a no u argument won't work

>>82101033
literally shaking doesn't matter. if your lucky then you get everything.

> no effort
> just seethes in jealousy
> full of resentment
> actively make my life worse
> devote my time and energy to being miserable
> refuse to do anything that might make me happy
> fantasize about the suffering of people happier than I am

It's all luck right anons? I'm definitely not putting in effort to stay miserable right anons?

so start rolling the dice and get some wins

>>82097513 (OP)
Finding a relationship is luck too.

https://desuarchive.org/his/thread/17028931/

> Good Haircut
> Clothes that fit well
> Some cardio

Robots always underestimate the power of this trinity. Being a human being who doesn't actively disgust people is a choice

>>82100312
>Would you tear a white child from his mother to give to a black mother, for example?

This would save the child. The pale monkeys run epstein list islands.

uh um uh what if it is uh maybe sort a your fault sometimes but it's all rotten so it's not your fault too

>>82101552
This is what I tell orphans

>>82101453
Only thing I can think of improving is getting a better haircut, but I actually like my hairstyle. I guess other people don't share the opinion though, even though some guys commented on my haircut, but they're probably just being nice.

>>82101001
While your sentiment is cute, if we brought everyone down to the weakest human and made everyone as uniform as possible, we'd perish as a species despite the newfound collective solidarity.

You're almost as bad as those people who think everything in life is earned, and those who don't succeed or do not prove themselves "worthy" need to be culled and not supported because "how dare you exist without earning it".

There is a balance here that must be struck between Saturn(yourself in this instance, and all the "losers") and the Sun(the kings and rulers and leaders of society).

>>82102475
That's not what was suggested you illiterate faggot retard pedo

>>82102605
What? Pedo? I can understand the faggot part since I brought up the planets, but where did you get that from?

I know that's not what you suggested, but if the world were to stoop to your level, why stop there? There are many who exist beneath you who feel the same way towards you, and maybe you'd stop treating them like trash if you felt a fraction of what they did. If I could feel what you felt, then, I'd stop treating you like trash because then I could sympathize with you, feel a sense of solidarity with you, or is that not what you meant?

>>82097513 (OP)
luck is a skill fren