Thread 82123951

I want to hear what women on 4chan think of AGP trans "women" like me.

i like trans women and think they're cute

>>82123951 (OP)
I don't hate them, but I don't think I could or should be with them long term if I want children

>>82123957
Why? I feel cursed.
>>82123965
Well to have children I would need to get off Estrogen. Which would make my balls regrow (no guarantee I would have viable sperm). But also the increased T would make me immediately go bald and grow facial hair. Also having a pregnant wife would serve as a constant reminder that I am not a real woman biologically.
So yeah, outlook looks bleak.

I will now self bump

AGPs don't want to do it with a man like me, right? For that reason I am not a fan

>>82123951 (OP)
I think it's great. The bold future I hope for is one where technology allows us to take any form we desire. Be a man today, a woman tomorrow, and a chimera animal after that. Traditionalism is a poison which must be eradicated from our minds.

>>82124659
I think some do. Not me though. They're "meta attracted" to men. They only do it to reaffirm their femininity. However, eventually they go back to the default "lesbian" mode. Or they can be bi.
>>82124663
That wacky shit is for a future generation. I would just be happy if the machine made a real woman.

>>82124694
>That wacky shit is for a future generation
The end of slavery was for a future generation too but the roots of abolition took place long before. We are an intelligent species capable of long term planning.

>>82124663
Only problem is that none of that tech exists, and even tranny hormones fuck you up.

>>82124760
>Only problem is that none of that tech exists
It will eventually
>tranny hormones fuck you up
If they're willing to deal with it then more power to them

>>82124762
There is no way of knowing if such technology will ever exist.

>>82124772
Assuming we don't go extinct or decide to stop advancing technology, there's no reason it wouldn't exist.

>>82124776
Based on what? Just because some technology exists, doesn't mean any technology you can imagine is possible and will exist.

>>82124785
You really think we'll never be able to do a brain upload or effortlessly swap genders around? We're getting close to being able to interpret brain signals, we're getting close to fully simulating simple (worm) "brains" in software. In vivo genetic editing is already somewhat possible though obviously very limited. In a thousand years or more, I see no reason we won't have brain uploads at the bare minimum.

>>82124785
OP here.
I hate techbros but I don't think it violates physics (changing some organs).
Now becoming a real animal is wild. But we did go from the first airplane to F-22s in 94 years.

>>82124816
To be clear I am not a techbro and I will not stand for that kind of slander.

>>82124800
>We're getting close to being able to interpret brain signals
We're not.
>we're getting close to fully simulating simple (worm) "brains" in software
We're not. The worm meme is a very low-resolution model of a worm's nervous system. It is not even close to reproducing the behavior of a worm.
>In a thousand years or more, I see no reason we won't have brain uploads at the bare minimum.
You see no reason? Who cares? You're a silly billy who thinks they actually have a full working worm inside the computer.

>>82124816
I guess, but
>Just because some technology exists, doesn't mean any technology you can imagine is possible and will exist.

>>82124843
>We're not
We're definitely making progress on it. I don't think this is happening 10 years down the line or anything but it will happen eventually.
>The worm meme is a very low-resolution model of a worm's nervous system
It's a full sim, not a very low res model. If there was actual money behind it it would be accomplished much sooner. Again though, it's going to happen even if it's not 10 years out.
>You're a silly billy who thinks they actually have a full working worm inside the computer
I very clearly said "getting close" not "we currently have". There is precisely zero reason that we can't simulate a brain on hardware unless you think that brains are somehow special. I mean honestly, if we can simulate molecular interactions or atomic interactions then a large enough computer can simulate a full brain. It's all just physics, there are no ghosts in reality anon.

All trannies are AGPs. Therefore, you are all disgusting as hell and should die. Leave the children alone. Stop spamming your tranny shit everywhere. Get the fuck out of our bathrooms. Quit pretending to be women when you act like a man. Stop acting oppressed when you are not welcome in women's sports due to your inherent benefits you get to your masculine physiology that you will always maintain. Fuck off with your disgusting coomer habits. Kill yourself with your over-exaggeration of us to the point of mockery and parody. Quit mansplaining everything while pretending to be us. Stop being disgusting wearing skimpy outfits while you have a man's figure. Die terribly for invading our locker rooms and flashing your dick around. Hang yourself for falling for the tranny psyop. The sooner you and everyone like you kill yourselves, the sooner we can get back to normalcy instead of degeneracy. Hopefully an EMP or another Carrington event hits soon.

>>82124828
I acknowledge that such technology will probably come from the techbro space.

>>82124891
I hope so too for your sake so you will touch grass.

>>82124893
I'm hoping the AI bubble bursts soon and all the techbros starve in the streets but I know they'll just make off like bandits. At the very least, techbros don't really get into bio spaces because they don't understand it and there's stricter regs which prevents the whole move fast and break things philosophy.

>>82124903
>touch grass
I actually do unlike you. I have an actual life that doesn't revolve around being on the internet my entire waking life like trannies.

>>82125007
>I have an actual life
Hahaha you fucking idiot we all know what site we're on

>>82124890
It's not even close to a full sim. Stop believing the hype.

>>82123951 (OP)
I jerk off to trans porn in self destructive debasing kind of way. I think if I hated myself so fundamentally I had to change my gender I would rather kill myself or shoot up the local PD. I think despite being a leftist I am as transphobic as humanly possible because I see you are men who are too ashamed too to even be men. Or I am wrong idk either way it seems like a hard life so good luck ig

AGP is not real.

t. chaser

>>82125414
I said it's not, are you stupid?
>Again though, it's going to happen even if it's not 10 years out
Learn to read retard

>>82125436
>I jerk off to trans porn in self destructive debasing kind of way. I think if I hated myself so fundamentally I had to change my gender I would rather kill myself or shoot up the local PD. I think despite being a leftist I am as transphobic as humanly possible because I see you are men who are too ashamed too to even be men.
Not even meming but there is an approximately 105% chance you unironically are a repressor.

>>82124663
>I think it's great. The bold future I hope for is one where technology allows us to take any form we desire. Be a man today, a woman tomorrow, and a chimera animal after that. Traditionalism is a poison which must be eradicated from our minds.
holy based

>>82124910
>I'm hoping the AI bubble bursts soon and all the techbros starve in the streets
AI skepticism is often like a religion at this point. it will increasingly be one because as the years progress the non-zealots will inevitably self-select out of the stance, leaving only the fervent disbelievers remaining

>At the very least, techbros don't really get into bio spaces because they don't understand it and there's stricter regs which prevents the whole move fast and break things philosophy.
they are and they will. interesting recent development: https://www.astralcodexten.com/p/suddenly-trait-based-embryo-selection


anyway, re: trans stuff: 98% of people who discuss it don't actually realize the technology is basically already near the peak and has been for decades. cross-sex hormones at the proper doses and times for sufficient uninterrupted duration genuinely alters the biological sex of any cell that has androgen and estrogen receptors, as most cells in the body and brain do. sex change was always possible. the only issue is skeleton changes aren't and the skeleton is often the main differentiator, so the second prerequisite is either starting around age 12 - 14 or wait like 70 years for magical skeletal alteration things

Gross and repugnant

>>82125466
You said "it's a full sim". But it's merely a map, a model, whatever, like any simulation. Every neuron is reduced to a very simplified model "neuron", because modelling them accurately is completely impossible with current computers. Let alone modelling the whole worm and its interaction with an environment.
>OOohh but don't worry it will happen in X years
Again, why should I believe you? You seem like an idiot who swallows science journo hype whole.

>>82125526
You're mistaking a hot load of bullshit for reality.

>>82124035
You can use a pill called clomifene to make sperm

>>82125526
>AI skepticism is often like a religion at this point
I'm not "AI skeptic", I'm "hundreds of billions of dollars into product that has yet to create viable revenue streams" skeptic.
>interesting recent development
Yeah yeah I read Scott too.Techbros are not investing heavily in bio spaces though because the regulations are too hard to operate within. That's why you don't see things like Recursion getting much interest versus the less regulated wearables and etc.
>>82125554
>You said "it's a full sim"
I said "we're getting close to fully simulating simple (worm) "brains" in software" and yes, we are.
> Every neuron is reduced to a very simplified model "neuron"
The goal is to create a sim worm that reacts the exact same as a real one, that goal is being approached and I wouldn't be surprised if we see it happen within our lifetimes, or rather, I'd be surprised if it didn't happen in our lifetimes. I'm also confused as to what you think a full sim is. We could just clone the worm, is that simulated enough for you?
>OOohh but don't worry it will happen in X years
That's not at all what I said. I said
>it's going to happen even if it's not 10 years out
Which is essentially the opposite of what you're interpreting me as saying. Again, are you stupid?

>>82125585
>You're mistaking a hot load of bullshit for reality.
which part?

>>82125609
I detest trump and trumpism very very deeply but one good thing that could come out of this is reduced regulations on biotech stuff

as for the worm sim, I think this debate could be short-circuited with some empirical citation instead of spinning in circles about what you both think the nature of it is

but yes a full worm sim will likely be completed within our lifetime

>>82125657
>I think this debate could be short-circuited with some empirical citation
OpenWorm was the big project for a while but stalled around 2015 and is dead at the moment. Chinese labs are doing more work but I don't know what the state of the art is because I don't follow this closely. These papers are related:
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/cyto.a.24483
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0959438820301689

There are significant barriers but I see no reason to think they're completely insurmountable like that other poster seems to. The main barrier to progress right now is funding as far as I can tell. I don't think this will help the discussion at all because the other poster doesn't seem to believe that technology will ever allow brain emulation at all.

>>82124659
Trannies are all "lesbians" because they're men
their male attraction to femininity is written in their bones they just twist

Why is contra schizo posting so much on twitter?

>>82123951 (OP)
man im fucking tired of republicans just repeating shitty debate topics we had 15 years ago today is if its important or valid in anyway.

They act like theres no information that debunks this shit like it sorta was 15 years ago, but its been debunked sooooo damn much already.

God it must be easy to be a republican.
All you do all day is think about fucking kids and every thing you say you just make up.


Oh I think X is X. Thats the truth.
Studies? Oh you mean: The Jews?
Trans? They're AGP dolphin chicken jockey.
Feelings don't care about facts.
I bet kids like republican penis!
Protect the kids from everything but republican penis!
t. every republican's brain on loop

tldr
fuck off repedophile

>>82123951 (OP)
In principle, I don't care. In practice, you're usually acting as the language police.

I wish it was a site rule to put everyone that says they are trans on /lgbt/ only. If you try to post on another board, you get an error. That's what I think, as a woman.

>>82126726
ive been on this site longer than youve been alive
get off my green text /b/ and go back to your safe space you >>>/pol/ophile faggot

>>82125007
I go to college and have a friend group
>>82126390
Last time I checked she was defending being a neoliberal and got dogpiled by twitter.

>>82123951 (OP)
I like them. I get along with them better than cis girls desu.

>>82123951 (OP)
I wouldn't hate them as much as if they had the notion that they won't ever be the sex they want to be and understand that people are graceful enough to appease them but doesn't mean they truly are Lilith Rose. Surely I have no problem with you wearing a dress and having another name, but the moment you want to enter bathrooms and sports, then yeah I hate you. I am more sympathetic to HSTS ones because those are very feminine gay men that could not cope with their femininity or got forced to transition due to homophobia reasons. AGPs are a plague tho
I also think they are very pedophilic and sexist in their delusions of what a woman is. Basically, we shouldn't feed the delusions of the mentally ill

>>82126849
Woah, nice spergout, tranny. Not going anywhere.

>>82123951 (OP)
doesnt matter if AGP or not. It's all about passing. You can be the kinkiest tranny wearing whatever you want but people would treat you based on your passibility. Nobody likes ugly bitches and especially ugly hons.

>>82125830
Most are in heterosexual relationships with men according to actual statistics and not some reddit post you saw https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/220713/t003b-eng.htm

>>82127403
Ohh shit son a bunch of words on mspaint scribbles!

>>82127390
I hear your concerns about safety and fairness -- those are values I deeply share as someone who helps communicate the military's commitment to protecting all Americans. It's understandable to have questions about complex issues. However, much of what you've expressed relies on harmful stereotypes not supported by the vast majority of medical professionals, including the American Medical Association and the American Psychological Association. They affirm that being transgender is a recognized aspect of human identity, and respecting someone's identity is crucial to their health and dignity, much like respecting any soldier's integrity.

When we talk about bathrooms or sports, the goal for everyone is safety and fairness. Policies exist and are evolving to address these specific concerns thoughtfully, guided by experts and often involving women athletes and advocates themselves. Painting an entire group with labels like "pedophilic" or "a plague" based on fringe ideas isn't just deeply hurtful and inaccurate, it undermines our shared values of community and respect for the individual. It also distracts from real efforts to protect children. Our strength as a nation comes from finding common ground, protecting freedoms, and treating our neighbors -- including transgender Americans serving honorably in our military -- with basic respect. Let's focus on solutions that ensure safety and fairness for everyone without denying the humanity of fellow citizens. We can uphold our values without fostering division.

>>82126726
>as a woman
I'm pretty on the fence when it comes to trannies, but I'd sooner take the side of a tranny than ever side with a woman, so thanks for helping me pick a side.

>>82127509
More? Ok