Thread 82128679

Explain to me how this ideology isn't 100% based on envy and covetousness toward the more successful and genetically gifted.

Every ideology is shit.
That's the problem with politics, it's "ideology" based, which might as well be a different word for "religion", people who inflexibly believe things no matter the situation and context and don't think straight.

A wise leader has no "ideology", he looks at matters on a case by case basis and alters his course accordingly.

>empathy is bad, actually.
okay mr bootstraps
Elon Musk is defiinitely worth all 90 trillion dollars or whatever his meme fortune is valued at despite doing absolutely no work at all besides shitposting on twitter and pretending to play video games with his superior genes.

>>82128700
I'm just pointing out that there is a natural hierarchy among humans based on beauty, intelligence, giftedness, etc.

Communism eventually results in that natural hierarchy being turned on its head and you get low IQ retarded ugly goblins at the top.

>>82128679 (OP)
>>82128711
OP have you actually read Marx or Engels? Do you understand the fundamental logic they're working under?
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1847/11/prin-com.htm

>>82128700
So the Soviet Union doesn't have billionaires
Equality by kneecapping those who stand tall
How does that justify the breadlines?
How does that justify the government censoring all the newspapers and radio stations and TV channels?
How does that justify the Berlin Wall and not letting people leave your "Workers Paradise"?

>>82128755
>Equality by kneecapping those who stand tall
USSR had zero homelessness.

>>82128679 (OP)
Well it started when the people were starving and forced to fight in ww1

But yeah communism is still bad

>>82128770
Being in a Gulag is worse than being on the street
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gulag_Archipelago
You would be put to work until you died. You don't understand "Those who don't work don't eat" as a philosophy. It means you get put into a forced labor camp

>>82128700
He does work a lot.
Most CEOs are always working.
His "fortune" is not liquid, meaning it's not all readily accessible.
>>82128679 (OP)
It ks rationalized envy. That doesn't mean all of it's concerns are invalid, however.
It's bad overall, tho.

>>82128700
>empathy
its not empathy at all. All of your talking points are about killing the rich. You never ever ever talk about feeding the poor. Fucking hell, you're on /r9k/, probably a NEET. Do you even volunteer your useless free time to help people? Empathy my ass.

>>82128807
>killing the rich
*jews

>>82128739
>OP have you actually read Marx or Engels?
Instead of telling others to read Marx you should tell people what Marx said.

>>82128816
>brown can't read
lol

>>82128813
No that would be national socialists. Communism strictly forbids such racism as it implies a natural hierarchy of genetics.

>>82128823
Post your nose david

>>82128770
Homelessness, at least in the West, exists because some people don't want to live according to society's rules but prefer to live on the street and do drugs. It's been tried many times, giving housing to the homeless, and they wreck their residences every time.

>>82128820
>its called heckin empathy
>ummm no, I will not explain my views to working class people or poors

I just realized the only reason communism took off was because the vast majority of people couldn't read so they were fooled by this retarded bullshit.

>>82128840
True people like you can't read

>>82128830
Marx is literally a jew.

>>82128813
>leftists are now antisemitic
Wild

>>82128770
What you imagine
>Oh that meant you could do drugs and not have to worry about paying rent while in your apartment
What it was in reality
>You didn't have control over where you lived and what you did. If you tried to run away and they found you on the street in some other city you weren't authorized to live in you would be sent to Jail or Siberia.

>>82128844
How are the workers of the world going to unite under communism if none of the workers have ever read Marx the elite college educated silver spoon faggots like you aren't even smart enough to concisely explain it?

>>82128845
>made the yids disappear

>>82128848
Its insane considering they're ideology is jewish. I guess its like christcuckery where eventually it turns on its master.

>>82128679 (OP)
communism is a bunch of retarded gay shit added to true bourgeois revolutionary leftism. also simping for the ruling class makes you a retard 99% of the time.
>>82128690
he says while posting a picture of the biggest and most obnoxious ideologue to ever exist and who was essentially a more extreme version of a christcuck

>>82128858
Back to the coal mines you only need to know how to wield a pickaxe

>>82128864
>made the yids dissapear
>eastern Europe somehow still has the highest concentration of jews in Europe
kek.

>>82128845
>all tyrants
>fighting tyrany
The lack of self-awareness and the astounding hypocrisy of your retards never ceases to amuse me.
>inb4 anon copes by slobbering on the tyrants' dicks.

>>82128881
Again where's your nose david?

>>82128858
socialist youtubers have millions of followers. but even so, you dont have to read das kapital to understand capitalist exploitation is miserable and billionaires need to be luigi'd

>>82128878
>its a ideology of empathy
>you don't have a college degree therefore you should be enslaved doing awful work while I propagate communism to the masses(shitpost on 4chan despite not even being able to explain communism to a layman)

>>82128895
Yes this how it works. Do you have a problem?

>>82128882
>the movies show mustache man is very angry all the time
>he must be a tyrant
nah.

>>82128892
Millions of followers from snooty fart sniffing upper class liberals who have time to waste watching videos about how every they're oppressed by capitalist propaganda despite every Hollywood movie and major cultural phenomena being anti-capitalist

In communism women are apparently equal to men. kek.

>muh capitalism
Capitalism is such a broad term too. If I build cabinates for my neighbor and he pays me for it, how is that exploitation?

>>82128845
Mussolini was a sexual degenerate and his army in ww2 was considered a huge failure as they would constantly get thier ass kicked by weaker armies and had to have german help all the time, Hirohito let babys get stabbed with bayonet, and let mas rapes happen, unit 731 not only killed subhumans but aryans too, and the British facist guy was a wannabe dictator

>>82128906
Yes, its not empathetic at all.

>>82128938
>allow me to spew a bunch of fake nonesense about fascist leaders meanwhile my favorite leader was best friends with a child rapist.

>>82128934
Capitalism isnt flawed Communism isnt flawed humans are, our greed gets the best of us

Communism or socialism should not be allowed in capitalist societies because their goal is to destroy that society and steal everyone's property.

>"BUT WHAT ABOUT FASCISM?"
It only existed in Europe because the communists were threatening to take over and steal property, so we needed a temporary dictatorship to kill off all the commies.

The reason I don't like fascism is that dictatorships rarely give up power after the crisis is over, and fascism ended up becoming a menace of its own.

Either way, though, Western countries do need a mechanism to get rid of commies who want to take our property while retaining liberty and rights.

>>82128907
Fascism and tyranny are synonyms, you retard. It's an authoritarian leader with all the power centralized, who censors the opposition and imposes rule by force and violent means.

>>82128958
Capitalism is flawed. Communism isn't flawed. Its objectively false. The entire premise is retarded and utopian. Its literally as retarded as trying to make rocks living creatures.

>>82128970
>Fascism and tyranny are synonyms, you retard.
No. Tyranny specifically is about over obtrusive oppressive goverments. Not all monarchies were tyrannies for example. You're just retarded.

>>82128739
>you don't accept Jesus? Have you not read the bible?

>>82128942
Whats your point paco?

>>82128995
>Tyranny specifically is about over obtrusive oppressive goverments
Which is core to the doctrine of fascism. Do you have a single clue about what your are talking about? This is a core principle literally stated almost verbatim by almost all fascist leaders.

>>82129010
the point is you claim to be empathetic but you aren't. You are a liar.

>>82128858
This is how these discussions always go.
>Someone posts some observation on Marxism based on how history played out.
>"Umm that's not what Marx said."
>"Lol you haven't read Marx"
>Refuses to elaborate.
>Leaves.

These people haven't read Marx either. The only reason the support communism is because, like what the OP said, they're fueled by resentment and covetousness.

>>82129010
>communism is based on covetousness its based on empathy
>actually I don't have empathy I just want to kill rich people but OP is still incorrect somehow

>>82129035
Where did i claim that?

>>82129021
Most fascist governments came to power purely as an emergency measure to prevent socialist/communist revolutions, i.e to protect property and life from a potential red terror like what was happening in Russia. Yes, they eventually became tyrannical and started wars, but they weren't even close to the evil that occurred in the USSR or Maoist China.

I'm not a supporter of fascism or nazism, but if it came down to it, I would prefer a temporary dictatorship like Pinochet had in Chile.

>>82129077
>>82128700
>empathy is bad actually

In reference to OP. Unless thats not you. In which case, do you admit OP is entirely correct about communism? If not, why?

>>82129088
>Unless thats not you.
Why should that be me? Do you thing Anonymous is just one person?

>>82128895
>>you don't have a college degree therefore you should be enslaved doing awful work while I propagate communism to the masses(shitpost on 4chan despite not even being able to explain communism to a layman)
What the fuck do you propose?
>labor is needed by humans to survive
>in a society, everyone should be entitled to the fruits of their labor, in proportion to their contribution.
>everyone is free to pursue any means by which to exploit their naturally given talents and abilities, be it intellectual, physical, social, etc.
>anon complains about this because he thinks he should be entitled to the labor of others.
You are retarded.
>but muh workers do most of of the labor
Yes. And, as a collective, they get the bulk of the revenue, when this revenue is divided proportionally as per their individual contribution, their income is decided.
Revenue is NOT the same a profit. Show me a company with over 100% profit margins, they don't exist. This meams that the bulk of the revenue goes to the workers, the leftover profit is property of the owners, for they are the ones who catapulted the endeavor by taking risk, investing, and creating value.
This is literally how it works.

>>82129087
>I would prefer a temporary dictatorship like Pinochet had in Chile.
Yes. I am from there. I know what this is like.
Pinochet, was nothing like Hitler, however. Although still tyrannical, Hitler wanted his brand of fascism to be permanent. So did Mussolini, and Gentile.
Pinochet was not a collectivist, he imposed a liberal economic system and constitution, that is completely opposite to fascist ideology. Not all tyranny is fascism, but all fascism is tyranny.

This is some actual lmfanord-type shit, did your nigga-ancestors get their behinds used for evil by commies?

>>82128970
Authoritarianism and Tyranny are synonyms
It's all built on the idea that you have superiors that know better than you, and they have to make decisions on your behalf because they think you would be too stupid to make the correct choice

>>82129109
>in proportion to their contribution.
Oh, if only there was a way to measure this. Maybe some kind of currency people could use. They could give people more currency based on how much the benefit society. Man, I think I might have a great system in mind.
>everyone is free to pursue any means
Just after telling me I should be forced into the mines
Oh and you're the intellectual I'm sure. LMFAO.

>Profit is property of the owners
>owners
>profit
LMFAO.

>>82129159
No, tyranny is the name of one roman emperor who was particularly nasty and would punish people harshly for minor crimes. The other roman emperors were not considered tyrannical despite being emperors.

>>82129165
>ust after telling me I should be forced into the mines
>Oh and you're the intellectual I'm sure
I did not tell you that, that wasn't me. You are forced to work. Not forced into the mines, if that is the only thing you can do, however... tough luck.

>>82128770
In a capitalist society, if you are born with a gift and work toward improving it, you can legitimately become a millionaire. In communism, your gift would be exploited to prop up the retarded masses while you earn a pittance. Human beings are not equal, so imposing equality is evil.

>>82129181
>you're not forced into the mines
>unless you can't get an IT job in which case you are forced into the mines
Nah, your system is mentally retarded and contradicts itself every five seconds.

You know you can complain about government policy and even structure without like a real intellectual instead of demanding the end of society as known since its creation. Of course that would require actually understanding cause and effect, something that is usually very intellectually challenging for communists.

>>82129184
>you can legitimately become a millionaire
Brownoid mindset

>>82129172
Once again, not all authoritarianism is tyrannical. But all tyranny is authoritarian.
Classical liberalism recognizes that people should only have authority over themselves, as it is only natural. This doesn't mean that all individual decisions are correct, but that one should pursue what they believe is correct, which is the only possible way to grow and progress in any capacity. You can't force someone to change.

>>82129214
Exceptional people deserve exceptional income.

>>82129213
>Nah, your system is mentally retarded and contradicts itself every five seconds.
There is no contradiction. You are being irrational. You are only forced to work.
You are literally just whining.

>>82129214
>thinking a million dollars is unreachable
Actual shitskin moment. Every house in every major American city is worth 2-4 million dollars.

I'm 28. If I had managed to get a programming job in my area at 24 and saved all my money by living with my parents. I would have half a million dollars already and thats on the low end of estimations and also assuming I wouldn't invest it.

A million dollars is nothing these days.

>>82129241
Stop larping you live in new delhi

>>82129226
>can only think in monetary compensations
Post hand

>>82129237
>you are free to pursue any means
>unless the means are deemed not useful to the community
>in that case you'll be thrown into the mines for not being a normalfag with normalfag sensibilities

Its just so funny. You take society so seriously when its all just a game and a joke.

Take for example something like surfing. Would you say surfing provides value to society? Would I be allowed to pursue a career as a pro surfer in communism? then consider the concept of surf shops. These surf shops wouldn't exist without surfers. Its an entire economy dedicated to something most people would deem a useless waste of time. Its literally a waste of time and resources. Despite this it exists because of capitalism.

>>82129264
Lmao, I thought you leftoids were anti-racist? Now it makes you brown to believe the cream of society deserves the most compensation? Low IQ untalented people are supposed to be digging ditches, not going to college.

>>82129254
You are either a really really poor shitskin from some third world shit hole or you're so sheltered you don't even know how much your parents house is worth. Check it out in zillow.

>waaah my parents are retarded scumbags and never bought a house
Not my problem, why should the house my parents worked their life for belong to you rather than their children?

>>82129308
Do you have a problem with that?
>>82129310
Does it hurt being called brown?

>>82129308
These are nu-leftists who realized being anti-white was a losing strategy so now they larp as being based racists and sexists. They likely don't genuinely believe any of it, just trying to gain support.

Funny isn't it? This is the only thing they can do to try and gain support. Pretend that the USSR was actually nazi germany.

>>82129293
>unless the means are deemed not useful to the community
Nope. You can go hunt and live in the woods alone and not concern yourself with being useful to anyone but yourself. Ah, but now you want other people to be useful to you, but you don't want to be useful to them... very fair.

>>82129323
>You can go hunt and live in the woods alone
Nah, you'd make anti poaching environmental laws to prevent the masses of people who would actually do that and kill animal populations to extinction if we are honest.
But also the fact that I use a gun to hunt would also apparently indebt me to society for the rest of my life because simply purchasing it was not enough, I need to work for it.

Its retarded. How do you think most money is earned in a capitalist economy?

>>82129320
>Pretend that the USSR was actually nazi germany.
They did a much better job at removing minorties

>>82129320
I've noticed a lot of these people on 4chan lately since Trump's election. They seem to be trying to get anti-Israel/anti-Jew people to become leftists (of the Leninist variety, I guess).

I guess it's a sign that we're definitely winning if they are no longer even bothering to defend the woke/gay/tranny shit anymore.

>>82128679 (OP)
Our ruling class hasn't been more intelligent (beit from education or genetics) than the average shmuck on the shop floors since Henry Ford was still alive.
Elon isn't even just an above average sperg who's intelligence is overblown. He's actually just a transparent retard who was handed everything with his name on it.
America is so laughably anti-meritocratic that even our celebrities aren't even basic bitch talented artists anymore. It's all just irredeemably useless retards who won the social media lottery.

>>82129349
Ah yes, as you can see from Stalins personal favorite movie, the slogan "workers of the world unite" and all of the communist propaganda posters featuring niggers and women working in the fields hand by hand. Truly, they did such a good job!

LMFAO. the reason there are no niggers in eastern Europe is because of border control(something capitalists also use to have) and because it was a poor third world shithole.

Its like bragging that you don't have any parasites because you've been poisoning yourself.

>>82129364
Where are mutts winning?

>>82129342
>But also the fact that I use a gun to hunt would also apparently indebt me to society for the rest of my life because simply purchasing it was not enough, I need to work for it.
Not for the rest of your life, no. You are being extremely irrational lmao
Only insofar as you must acquire something of equal value as the gun. And your can hunt with a knife, or a bow, or whatever you want.
>laws
You clearly think you are the center of the universe. Laws would only get passed if poaching reaches levels where the entire environment is at risk. Which requires collective effort.

You are literally just showing how resentful and retarded you are. You are whining. Nothing else.

>>82129369
Are you one of those hohos whos acestors died during the gov induced famine?

>>82129364
Its that or tik tok zoomers have been slowly brainwashed into believing china numbah one.

>>82129385
No India is numba one

>>82129370
Oh, now you're swapping to the Anti-American shtick. You leftoids are getting creative.

>>82129369
Even most people who are sick of trannies would be happy to see Trump and Elon impoverished and for healthcare to become free. So one hell of a hollow victory.

>>82129391
It's anti brown tho

Communism beats fascism, remember this.

>>82129402
And then liberalism beats communism and we just wind up in hell

>>82129378
>Only insofar as you must acquire something of equal value
And who defines what this equal value is?
>Laws would only get passed if poaching reaches levels where the entire environment is at risk
At which point it would be too late. Also love that you said I think i'm the center of the universe and yet you're claiming to know when normalfags will vote one way or another for some collectivist law. kek.

I'm really not. You're system is just capitalism. I'm trying to figure out how your system differs from capitalism but I really can't.

>be me
>parents buy house
> I live in house
>therefore I'm benefiting from others work and will be forced to work the mines
Or does old work not count? Can I even inherent anything or do we have to rebuild a new house from scratch every time a old person dies?

Do I have to share the house with my brother and his bitch wife? Could I purchase his half of the inherited property from him?

does having a child count as creating means? In which case do women have to work at all?

>>82129410
Don't let it beat liberalism then, you have seen what it has done to the world.

>>82129396
Ah yes. Trump and Elon, the leaders of capitalism. They alone dictate the capitalism and once eliminated we will finally be free from the oppression of watching youtube videos of people more wealthy than me using their money the wrong way.

>>82129396
Nothing is free, nignog. What you mean is: "I want the State to steal from hardworking, industrious people so niggers can have healthcare without paying".

>>82129433
Why do mutts always think about niggers?

>>82129454
>you disagree with me you are shitskin
>heh why are others always thinking about niggers
Shut up bitch

>>82129433
>steal from hardworking, industrious people
Oh no mate, you got me all wrong here. I don't want the government to steal anything from whoever those people are. I want them to take it back from all the wealthy people in the real world who were just handed all of it and produce nothing.

>>82129426
But it is already done. The Soviet Union dissolved in 1991, and the Hammer and Sickle was taken down for the final time from Red Square

>>82129237
>You are only forced to work.
Thats slavery.
Fuck it i wanna neet

>>82129471
Are you being paid by blackrock?

>>82129487
Liberalism shills do it for free. It's the saddest part really.

>>82129417
>I'm really not. You're system is just capitalism. I'm trying to figure out how your system differs from capitalism but I really can't.
Why? I wasn never proposing anything different. I like capitalism. Capitalism is good. Lmao
I just said your criticism of it is retarded.

>>82129535
>I like capitalism
foreskin status?

>>82129485
>Thats slavery.
It's not. Because you do it voluntarily.
>but you said forced
Only in the sense that, if you were born in nature, you would have to hunt (work) for survival. Survival requires work. That's all.
Slavery is forced to work for free.

Marx said in capitalism all wealth will flow into speculation. Why is it so hard to believe an economic system will degrade/stagnate as more people can't afford housing or to create their own businesses/innovations?

>>82129546
>foreskin status?
Complete.
Your brain, however, is completely dysfunctional.

>>82129564
I don't believe you I need a pic bby

>>82129553
>if you were born in nature
Dont go on that route. In nature anyone can freely rape or kill anylne else as long as he has the capacity to do it. Is this what you want ?

>>82129557
Not everything that Marx said was wrong. But the most important proposal, that is communism, is a bad one.

>>82129557
He also said that Communism would be a workers paradise and that there would be a global communist revolution
Neither happened

>>82129493
>>82129493
Liberalism and communism are practically identical no matter how much you pretend to be edgy

>>82129535
Holy shit the cope. This entire time you're talking about how I have to be forced into the mines and do labor. I haven't even made my critique of capitalism ITT yet because communists are too fucking retarded accept the reality society.

>>82129571
That route is perfect and its how we should explain systems.
Oh and btw, people can freely rape and kill anyone else as freely as they could five thousand years ago.

>>82129903
>That route is perfect and its how we should explain systems
But there is no "system" in nature
>Oh and btw, people can freely rape and kill anyone else as freely as they could five thousand years ago.
Why dont you do it then ? Go ahead, kill the capitalists, or the jews, or the feds, or whoever is your ennemy.
Whats stopping you ?

>>82128679 (OP)
Money and power is not genetically obtained.

>>82128679 (OP)
because your notions about what communism is are complete lie manufactured by the FBI

>>82129950
Enlight us Einstein

>>82129557
Its hard to believe because its short sighted in practicality and too wide in theory.

Empires rise and fall. To say that our empire falling is proof that no empire will rise again is obviously ridiculous. Capitalism however is not an empire, its apparently a global system. Thus to say the fault lies in capitalism is to imply that the entire world will fail unless there is a communist uprising. Its false.

Replace capitalism with human nature.
>I predict human nature will destroy every empire
fine
>I predict that until human nature is destroyed no empire will ever rise or thrive again
>obviously in order to save the entire world from destruction we will all insert microchips into our heads to kill human nature then we will all live in peace and harmony

>>82129862
liberalism is much closer to fascism than communism

>>82129997
Oranges are much closer to cats than planes

>>82129927
>Why dont you do it then
Because I would go to jail you fucking retard? You think 5 thousand years ago I could just kill some other tribesman and not be speared to death by the rest? Or is it that you believe I could just rape my fellow tribesmans daughter and not face any sort of consequence?

Just because consequences for actions exist doesn't mean you aren't free to do it. Plenty of people still do.

>>82129975
mkay well all the resources we need to survive are being controlled by a tiny minority of parasite "genetically gifted high IQ" capitalists at the expense of normal people. all of these things should be owned by the state and nationalized

>>82129997
Nah, you believe literally everything liberals believe.

>>82130013
Oranges do not turn into cats but liberals do turn into fascists when push comes to shove

Every communist argument boils down to this

>>82130041
If this is the case how am I surviving? I'm not part of the tiny minority and yet I'm alive as are you. You're even wasting weekend on 4chan. Sounds like thriving really.

>>82130051
>heh we communists are so based just like fascist we kill shitskins and minorities
>actually liberals are the real fascists!

>>82130064
Aren't you the one who's posting here for like 6 hours?

>>82130046
any communist in history would have called these people faggots and freaks and killed them. why pretend these people represent communism?

>>82130058
That guy probably works for bezos/aws and makes 300k as a product manager

>>82130041
The parasites would be the ones who collect their money at gunpoint. The state. Billionaires make their money because people choose to buy their product. People choose to buy stuff at Walmart, they choose to buy the Apple iPhone, or the Tesla electric car

>>82130078
Yes. its because I'm surviving. I even have the free time to waste an entire satarday not looking for food, water and shelter.

What resourceful that I need to survive are the wealthy preventing me from accessing? I just bought some wood yesterday so that can't be it either.

>>82130064
are you a retard? prices of everything have doubled in 10 years, there's a housing shortage, people have more debt than ever and with fewer job opportunities as they're being sold to immigrants. people are not thriving

>>82130079
See
>>82128934
Nah communists love diversity, think women and men are equals ect ect. Its just the natural progression of communism rooted in the concept of equality.

If men and women are equal tell me why a man can't become a woman?

>>82130064
Same way peasants and chattel slaves survived, why would they want their workers unable to work? Capitalism obviously provides a better standard of living than previous systems but the issue with it is that people claim it is just human nature or the perfect system when it just is not. It worked great for allowing the transitions to liberal democracies but we are at a point where that economic arrangement is holding at least the US back. Cry about if you want but China is just proof that a directed economy is just a more efficient system and is more capable of meeting the needs of its citizens while neoliberal capitalism has totally failed at that in the West.

>>82130101
>satarday
Saaaar

>>82130112
Ah yes, immigrants. The staple of capitalism despite the fact that capitalism exited for 200 years without immigrants.

And despite all of this people are still surviving. You're projecting your desperation.

>>82130112
>there's a housing shortage
Because after 2008 we collectively decided that developers making money was unethical and disallowed all housing construction. A truly free market would not have high housing prices.

>>82129937
It is evendoe

>>82130120
China is not a communist country. If you want to argue America should be a directed economy thats one thing. To be a communist is entirely another. You're really showing off how retarded you are.

>>82130126
>I lost my IT job to an indian
>capitalism has failed

>>82130170
>admits being indian
Pathetic

>>82130120
>Neoliberalism is everything I hate and the more I hate something the more neoliberal it is
lol

>>82130130
You cannot be this dense. Open borders is absolutely a capitalist policy they want infinite free labor from an under class. Why do you think immigration suddenly became a problem in the west at about the same time western nations stopped the more brutal colonial practices? Why do you think the government is so happy to bring in h1bs or offshore work here?

>>82130180
You're talking with an h1b saar

>>82130172
Where did I ever admit that? I'm white, you're the communist faggot demanding I unite with every race to over throw rich white men like Elon.

>>82130149
Despite china not being communist it is a valid point to bring up, the main defense of Neo liberal capitalism is that the market knows best I just gave you proof that it does not and your only response is to argue semantics.

>>82130180
>Open borders is absolutely a capitalist policy they want infinite free labor from an under class.
>capitalist policy
LMFAO, so fucking retarded.

So why weren't open borders across Europe a thing from 1800's till the 1960's?

>capitalist want infinite free labor from an underclass
This is fucking hilarious coming from a Stalinist. The entire ideology is about getting people to provide labor for the greater good aka your benefit.

>>82130149
China is a communist country with no private property and all of its biggest companies and resources owned by the state

>>82130194
Saaaar are you blind?

>>82130180
>Open borders is absolutely a capitalist policy
Communism is a stateless society which would seem to imply no borders. Slogans like "workers of the world unite" imply cosmopolitanism as well.

>>82130180
It became a problem after LBJ passed the Hart-Celler Act in 1965 and focused on immigration from the third world because democrats thought Demographics is Destiny, and they would have the new moral majority if they brought a bunch of non-white people to America
LBJ also caused problems because of his Great Society bills destroying black families through promising black women all kinds of benefits from the government so long as the father to their children was not around

>>82130194
Elon is am autistic white faggot who should get strapped to a pole and stoned by the multiracial working class. racialism is for gay losers like hitler who got totally defeated by communism

>>82130209
I'm not arguing semantics. I'm arguing against communism. You self identify as a communism without actually understanding the first thing about communism or capitalism.

>>82130221
China is a capitalist country in that does in fact have private property in which companies exploit the labor of children to produce cheap shitty goods to American consumers for consumerism.

>>82130242
I'm glad you finally dropped the le edgy racist commie act. So remind me how you're different from a liberal in any way whatsoever?

>>82130245
I am not a communist I just think capitalism in its current form is inefficient and too focused on shareholder value it is not a system that promotes a stable society hence why we have economic crashes like clockwork. I would be totally fine with social democracy or hell even the Keynesian era of US capitalism. This current form is killing our country and I would rather take the billionaires power here now than have to learn mandarin in 15 years.

>>82130256
How is Capitalist Jimmy Lai being treated in China btw?
Are his private property rights being respected? Are his newspapers free from government censorship?

I will never forget a commie telling me class collaboration is a pipedream but overcoming all human natural hierarchical tendencies to create a perfect society isn't
Communism is a fairy tale

>>82130299
Ok.

originakly

>>82130267
my worldview is not racial or idealistic. it's liberals and Nazis (same thing) who want to impose their stupid racial hierarchies where they don't care which capitalist they're paying tithes to as long as it's some "white" faggot

>>82130320
Anarchists are the retards that think all hierarchy is evil not communists at least be accurate when depicting you enemies.

>>82130312
>communism is when people get arrested
Nope. As always confusing economic systems with government systems and legality.

Japan is pretty obviously a capitalist country and yet, police have a legal right to randomly search you and your belongings and correct me if I'm wrong, even your house. Still capitalist.

>>82130344
Liberals want to eliminate racial hierarchies. You're a liberal.

>>82130349
Communists also want to abolish most hierarchies
Besides the guy was a self proclaimed commie

>>82130349
Communists believe in economic hierarchy. your wealth just being another facet of your power in society, its easy to say most communists believe in equality or believe that its a goal to strive for. Thus, they're anti-hierarchy.

>>82130360
What billionaire in Japan got thrown in jail for promoting democracy and collusion with foreign forces?

>>82130381
racial hierarchy is made up bullshit that has nothing to do with how society produces value and reproduces itself. it's for idealistic monkeys who want to impose their fake, unrealistic, retarded, and not implentable ideas of how society should function. both liberals and Nazis are the same in this way. they have all kinds of dumb unrealistic ideas that have no real way to be implemented and at the end of the day you just pay more rent to musk and bezos like a little cuck

>>82128679 (OP)
>more successful and genetically gifted
That's basically how you justify ZOG

>>82128845
What has Mosley even achieved other than being an another failed Hitler knockoff?

>>82130437
Liberals have done more for combating racial hierarchy than communists.

>>82130484
>That's how you justify ZOG
That's how you explain ZOG

>>82130505
liberals are zogbots who fan the flames of racial tensions. they are fascist collaborators

>>82130523
>assertion with no proof

>>82128711
The dinosaurs were bigger than the feeble mammals that could only leave their hideouts during the night. Yet here we are 65 million years later dominating the planet. Life has no "natural" hierarchies and today's loser could be tomorrow's big winner. This is one of the redeeming qualities of life.

>>82130548
you've made no meaningful contributions to this discussion and have conceded every point. bye

>>82130565
>uh, bye felicia!
lmao bro what

>>82130549
op just wants nerds like Bill Gates should rule over us

>>82128679 (OP)
Explain to me what's wrong with wanting a good life without hard toil if it's not actually necessary?

>>82129184
>you can legitimately become a millionaire
there's like a 1 in a million chance you will become one, idiot. Most millionaires are just born into it, either via family or talent or some other characteristic that you have no realistic control over

>>82130600
80% of American millionaires are first gen millionaires anon

>>82128816
>>82128998
Anons the link I posted is genuinely the most basic of basic stuff. If you can't even handle that you have ADHD from watching too much TikTok and need to rewire your brain.

>>82130600
>Millionaire
This word just means homeowner now.

>>82130612
> either via family or talent or some other characteristic that you have no realistic control over

>>82130612
So they went from having a six figure net worth to having a seven figure net worth.

>>82130685
right wingers do not read books

>>82130692
>1 in 1 million chance
18% of Americans are millionaires
>most born into it
80% are first gen
So, ~14% of Americans are first gen millionaires and your statement was wrong
>>82130703
That's not what the statement was stop moving goalposts. If that was your point you should stated it as such. Commies are so fucking stupid I hate you all.

>>82130720
I never only spoke of the US. In any case, if I had the choice between having my basic necessities met or having some elusive chance to luck out bigly, I'd go with the former. It's more economically reasonable.

>>82130720
>18% of Americans are millionaires
how many of them are boomer pieces of shit?

>>82130748
>moving goalposts some more
yawn
>>82130749
Don't know, don't care; stop moving the goalpost

>>82130720
>18% of Americans are millionaires
How many of those are jewish?

>>82130758
I move the goalpost in your ass.

>>82130720
>18%
Only 18% of the population has enough wealth to own anything significant.

>>82130767
Where the fuck do you live that you can entertain the idea that America is at least a fifth Jewish?

>>82130794
>he doesn't know
Learn your own history mutt

>>82130799
God I wish I were a secret Jew woman. Unfortunatly, it's too easy to tell.

>>82130831
Your wish was granted you're now a jew

>>82130780
Have you met normies?

>>82128770
>USSR had zero homelessness.
But had official term for Soviet homeless people.
Curios huh? They didn't teach that in your commie school.

>>82130874
Not to mention only 0.2% of the US is homeless, by comparison 0.5% of the country is trans so there are probably more femboys than homeless people in the US

>>82130874
Are you russian? I can't read that shit

>>82130423
Again you're retarded. You can be a in a capitalist system in which democracy is illegal. Look at saudis. The Saudis are not communists.

>>82130932
>I can't read that shit
Not my problem.
How can you seriously participate in politics discussion about country if this an obstacle for you? You aren't qualified for such discussion.

>>82130437
>racial hierarchy is bullshit
Incorrect. Just objectively false.

>>82130989
Are you russian or not? Why can you read it?

>>82130523
>zogbots
Literally a racialist term.

>>82131000
>you have to be russian to read russian
Anon you might have down's syndrome

>>82130549
Ah yes, there is no hierarchy in nature because one day a meteor could wipe us all out. Impeccable logic. By that same standard it doesn't really matter of the entire earth is fascist and racist.

>>82131016
Fine are you a hohol?

>>82131053
This retard can't even comprehend the idea that someone can learn a new language and he thinks he's got the entire global economy figured out.

>>82131065
Fine what ethnicity do you belong to?

>>82128679 (OP)
>If you're poor and become communist, you're just jealous of the rich.
>If you're rich and become communist, you're just spoiled and naive.
Convenient

>>82131072
I'm not even the same guy you fucking retard. I can't read that shit either but I'm a British German mutt.

>>82131072
>thinks languages can only be learned by certain ethnicities
Are you new on this planet?

>>82131081
is it wrong though?

>>82131082
Kannst du ueberhaupt deutsch sprechen?

>>82131088
I've asked you a simple question what's your ethnicity?

>>82131091
Ah yes, obviously because my great great grandfather lived in Germany I should know German.

You must be one of those "new" Germans.

>>82131098
Hey, are you even allowed to be speaking English right now? Show me proof that you have anglo blood or stop speaking English or else.

>>82131103
I am a jew not arab
>>82131115
Yes

>>82131089
It's as right as slavery is right.

>>82131115
Pls anon what's your ethnicity

Everytime i mention being jewish people stop talking to me :(

>>82131371
hey brother how's it going

>>82131371
Jewish women are hot are you a women? If not I don't care

>>82131389
You aren't the amerimutt or the guy who doesn't wanna tell me his ethnicity

>>82130987
How can you respect Private property and also seize peoples property without checks and balances?
Jimmy Lai was a capitalist. He was thrown in jail arbitrarily and had his property taken arbitrarily. His private property rights were not respected by the Chinese Communist Party. They seized his means of production and turned his private property public

>>82131120
Jews aren't allowed to speak English.
>>82131125
Not an argument.
>>82131221
I already told you I'm British/German

You lost the argument plus you're jewish.

>>82131565
>How can you respect Private property and also seize peoples property
So when the U.S was building its high way system there were a lot of houses in the way. Guess what they did with those houses. Thats correct they forcefully siezed the properties, paid them 20% below market value for it then build freeways over them.

Does this mean America isn't a capitalist country? Its actually secretly a communist country the entire time?

Another fun fact, after the American revolutionary war George Washington had to tax the shit out of farmers to make up for lost funds in the war. Ironic right. Well the farmers decided to throw their own revolution and guess what? George Washington killed all of them for not wanting to be taxed. This all happened within a month of the founding of America. I'll ask again, is America a communist country?

>>82131647
>Not an argument.
Not a counterargument. You're only against slavery if you're not a glorious slaveowning aristocrat, or you're just a naive buffoon who oversympathizes with inferiors. Simple as.

>>82131715
Incorrect, you're only against slavery because you are jealous of slave owners or a naive buffoon.

How is this incorrect? You really think if it was legal the average person wouldn't want to own a slave or two?

>>82131701
That doesn't sound like capitalism to me
Maybe real capitalism has never been tried

>>82131647
My dear american friend i thought race didn't matter under liberalism

>>82131748
Capitalism is a broad term. Its just the economic system in terms of capital.

Again. You can have a capitalist monarchist state.

>>82131759
Imagine being this fucking retarded you think that was some gatcha moment. Holy shit you are so fucking moronic you can't even follow a conversation. You have the attention span of a goldfish and the IQ of a nigger.

>>82131776
Why are you so hateful that's not nice

>>82131819
Why are you such a dimwit and gay?

>>82131855
I work in finance and have a gf

>>82131701
>glowies can remote kill you final destination style

I hereby recant every mean thing I said against , and declare undying love for the deep state

>>82131565
and that's a good thing. private property is anthe enemy of the common man. who gives a shit about the rights of billionaire parasites?

>>82131866
You're such a fucking moron you think working in finance is an indication of intelligence.

Feel free to leave /9k/ any time.

>>82131937
Considering it's quant finance yes

>>82131947
You are statistically less effective at predicting markets than a actual monkey throwing shit at wall with tickers on it. I sincerly mean that. I'm sorry but despite being jewish you're retarded. Its a shame because most jews are at least clever. I guess you're not ashkenazi, probably some brown swarthy jew.

>>82131743
There are people who would want to steal, murder, and rape if it were legal too. Are you just jealous or stupid to be against people doing as they will if they are superior enough to do so?

>>82131996
Why are you making such bold assumptions?

>>82131997
Yes, I would steal, rape and murder if I could get away with it and not have to worry about being caught.

>>82132007
Its not an assumption, its likely a fact that you are below 75IQ.

>>82132058
How can I be below 75IQ when my dad works in quant finance too and my mom is a doctor?

>>82132068
You're dad is retarded as well and your mom is not a doctor she is a nurse. Why lie?

>>82132108
We have moldovans here for being nurses, why is your heart filled with hate?

>>82132121
>i'm anti-racist or racial hierarchies
>unless its against eastern Europeans
Why are you loxist?

>>82132150
We also have a bunch of easten euro doctors here, whats your problem?

>>82132150
Anyway i have to go to sleep, have a nice day

>>82132210
sure you do little Bitch

>>82128679 (OP)
The opposite, capitalism, will lead into a few big capital owners bleeding their fellow countrymen dry.

>>82128807
Nobody is feeding the poor, get real. Even that is not enough of humanitarian aid.

>>82132338
>nobody is feeding the poor
There are thousands of NGO's dedicated to feeding niggers and in America you're considered starving if you're under 200 pounds.

>>82132313
>>82132338
>i'm leaving now I have to go to bed
>oh what a coincidence another anon responded to OP seconds later.

How are communists going to get unlimited free grubhub if everyone's unemployed? Ever think of that?

>>82132313
your post doesn't refute anything in OP or make a case for communism, it's just simpleminded whataboutism. hitler himself said capitalism and communism are two jewish doctrines made to disenfranchise the working and middle class.

>>82132414
The peoples will do grubhub out of the kindness of their heart or the fear of being sent to the mines.

>>82130932
I don't think he can post a link directly to the Russian Wikipedia page as russian is non ASCII. For the same reason he can't tell you the Cyrillic for you to search up..but you can plug the image into one of those apps which translates images.

How do Marxists cope with the 20th century? I respect Muslims more than these people, because they at least have a track record of producing a functioning society.

>>82128679 (OP)
>richfags set up a system where they get rich and (you) are left poor
>it's "envy" to try to do anything to change that
not falling for it

>>82128679 (OP)
TL;DR As long as humans have been around they've worked to keep themselves alive. Capitalism makes it so you have to work for others to stay alive, because you can't even have a place to live without first selling your work and time to someone else with no guarantee that what you get back is the same as what you put in.
How do business owners decide what to set their wages at? It's all in response to the market, the consequences of supply and demand for labor where owners are the demand and have much more influence on the market. This is why things like immigration and free trade are such a big deal for workers, because if someone can accept a lower wage for the same productivity you will always lose out. This shows that both you and the immigrant stealing your job are getting screwed over, because your wage isn't determined by productivity. Then look at the flip-side: owners' income isn't determined by their productivity either, yet they invariably get rewarded more. This isn't just for owning a business, thing like land or commodities like gold or really any capital, inherited or otherwise, can be used for financing in the market and consistently get rewarded more than working. Any financial advisor would tell you between the choices of working double hours and investing that investing would always pay out more. It's a system which rewards access to capital first and labor second.

>>82128679 (OP)
>100% based on envy and covetousness toward the more successful and genetically gifted
it mostly is not, commies including western ones have genuine desire to share and work together
it just obviously doesn't work in real life, because all leadership posts get filled with competitive shitty people who have no other way to get prosperous on their own under "everyone's poor" regime. Then those people make obvious decisions that eventually lead to "might makes right" authoritarian shitholes with no free speech but great propaganda arms like what russia and china are today

that makes me realize china is super cucked by white people

all neurosis is a feeling born from losing purpose
and secularism is what destroys that potential to have purpose

>>82134053
China and Russia both lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty thanks to communism

>>82134826
I know that this is ragebait but Russia and China are both shithole countries that still haven't recovered from communism.

>>82134870
there was nothing to recover from, they were shitholes before communism when western colonialists owned them. under communism they became world powers with China currently being the most powerful country and continuing to advance rapidly

Im no philosopher or nothin but I think it's based less on envy and more on a flaw in human nature of giving sympathy to those who are weak and undeserving. Marx wasn't a beta loser mad at chad, he was probably an intelligent guy but didn't recognize that the lower classes have their place in life due to natural biological reasons, not because of an unfair culture or system of human organization

>>82134905
China and Russia are both true dystopias. They both have, rampant corruption, every social problem imaginable (such as drinking or gambling), and rock bottom birthrates. Neither their economies nor their militaries are as strong as is commonly supposed.

>>82134913
This is so insanely cucked to believe. You really think Elon Musk is 1,000,000x genetically superior to you?

>>82134935
not really, but it's funny how America actually has all those problems you're saying they have

>>82134935
Russia is a shithole but Chinese cities are really nice and have way less social problems like petty crime and drug addicts filling the streets than the average Western city.

>>82135002
no, i didnt say its perfect, but hes that much more genetically superior to your average nigger

>>82135037
And yet you're closer in net worth to the average nigger than to Elon Musk or Peter Thiel. Funny how that works out.

>>82135055
Ok, they have too much money, sure, but just taking their money and giving it to poorniggers wouldn't do the world any good

>>82135074
Okay, what does that have to do with Marxism?

>>82135130
Marxism assumes poorniggers are entitled to all that wealth

>>82135139
Marxism just says that people who work should have the wealth that their labor creates, instead of some guy who owns the means of production. The welfare state redistributing wealth and giving handouts to people who refuse to work is an invention of capitalism.

>>82128679 (OP)
No one is genetically better than anyone else. We are all EQUAL.

>>82135164
No way bro this guy is a genetic elite and he deserves to rule over all of us with his beautiful superior genes

Right wingers really just hate everyone in their proximity.

>>82135029
What makes you think that China doesn't have crime and drug use? What makes Chinese cities so nice to you?

>>82135151
>Marxism just says that people who work should have the wealth that their labor creates, instead of some guy who owns the means of production
Yeah, aka giving more money to prole factory workers aka poorniggers because it's heckin unfair that elon musk has all that money. I'm fine with taking his money, but use it for something worthwhile, not just for stupid proles. Though perhaps tesla engineers and the like should get paid more, again, take his money, but give it to good people, it doesn't even necessarily have to be his workers.
>The welfare state redistributing wealth and giving handouts to people who refuse to work is an invention of capitalism.
Huh? How is the government wealth redistribution a result or invention of capitalism?

Communists want to take money away from beautiful superior aryans like this because they hate beauty and western civilization. He is genetically superior to all of you scum. I'm glad we have capitalism where superior ukranian jews can make billions of dollars by owning record companies.

>>82135221
Idk where you're from but we don't even live under capitalism, america is a communist country

>>82135201
>Huh? How is the government wealth redistribution a result or invention of capitalism?
The modern Welfare state was first invented by Bismarck in Imperial Germany

>>82135256
And what does that have to do with capitalism?

Wait, I thought it was the snoody leftists who hated poor people. What's going on?

>>82135029
>>82134826
>China and Russia both lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty thanks to communism
china "lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty" due to foreign investment

>>82128679 (OP)
It is, and fuck you too.
The rich are deciding whether we deserve to live in the future, and you think shilling for them is a good use of time?

AI has the ability in the future to replace the rich and it fucking should. These people NEED to die for the human race to exist. They are trashing the planet and impoverishing the world to get mental upcummies from line go up

>>82135029
>>82134826
>China and Russia both lifted hundreds of millions out of poverty thanks to communism
russia did not lift shit out of fuck
russia is petrochemical exporter to this day and doesn't produce anything outside of that and some grain with most of the money going into moscow mansions
it's shameful how western commies deepthroat the most retarded propaganda wholesale and don't have any critical thinking

>>82135674
Imperial Russia was essentially a feudal state that relied on artisans to make ammunition and weapons in the first world war. It continually had a threat of famine that did not exist in industrialised nations, it had brutal working conditions and a pathetic infant mortality rate.

Lenin instituted a form of capitalism and later socialised those elements. This lifted Russia from an absolute shithole to a country that could sort of compete with the US as a power.

China is a very similar story. No commie claims that the quality of life was good, just significantly better than what came before.

>>82134826
>thanks to communism
More like thanks to the great economic reform in which they became a capitalist country.

>>82135714
>that could sort of compete with the US as a power.
This is a huge massive cope. If not for nuclear weapons, Russia would have remained a laughing stock throughout the entire cold war just like China.

Commies claim communism lifted these poor countries into super powers. These claims are mostly false. They greatly over exaggerate the previous state of these countries to then claim their meager advancements were such huge leap forward and its all due to the progressiveness of communism.

Then give them the example of Japan. Not exaggerating when stating they were a medieval feudal state that due to the powers of capitalism became the fourth largest economy in the world and they kind of just remain silent or will grumble something about modern suicide or birth rates.

>>82135198
On tik tok they have lots of neon lights like those epic cyberpunk fantasies so its really clean and cool

>>82135714
>It continually had a threat of famine that did not exist in industrialised nations
>This lifted Russia
>China is a very similar story.
>No commie claims that the quality of life was good, just significantly better than what came before.
just fucking LOL
certainly that is definitely true, commies have definitely successfully battled famine
they just were on the side of famine LMAO

>>82135917
top kek, I hadn't even registered the bullshit they were saying

>>82135189
Good thing you can be leftwing but anticommunist then

>>82135164
Tell that to downie retards

>>82135917
I think this point can't be stressed enough: famine was a weapon of communist government. Not a mistake, not mere incompetence: it was a tool deliberately used to subjugate and destroy the population, and this was done repeatedly by commies in many countries.

>>82135714
Soviet state achieved same food consumption per capita in 1960 as RE in 1914

It's not about envy. It's about recognising that a small group of people sit at the top, effectively enslaving the rest financially through labour.
Society would collapse without workers - yet workers don't revolt. Why? Because they're sold a dream: that if they just keep grinding, they might "make it" one day. So they keep working, holding onto hope that was never meant for them.
Life is unfair - and under the current system, it will stay that way. Wealth inequality is extreme. Corporations can destroy entire ecosystems and walk away with nothing more than a fine. The relentless pursuit of shareholder value takes priority over the well-being of the average citizen. It's horrific.
But the truth is, no perfect system exists. Some people will always seek power and control - it's in human nature. The alternatives we've seen so far? Other oppressive systems that offer different benefits, but still come with massive trade-offs. The most radical option would be to tear everything down and start over - but at what cost?

>>82128679 (OP)
soon, along with the inevitable collapse in demand for labor, money will become useless and therefore worthless.

>>82128679 (OP)
I think communism goes too far to correct the issues with capitalism. That is why I like socialism but the rightoids tarnish that by association and slippery slope fallacy.

>>82137585
>But the truth is, no perfect system exists. Some people will always seek power and control - it's in human nature
I don't understand why you think that. For a long time, humans lived in horizontal hunter-gathering and the logistics of oikos with no real issues. Humans only went so far because human nature overcame nature's plight for individuality.

If you can see the limits of a system, you're beyond it. To see the limits of the burgeois exclusivity and parasitism and still believe it's human nature just means you're mutilating part of your humanity to excuse their own lack of it.

Deep down, people defending capitalism are just vouching their hatred for humanity, and therefore for themselves, which's why they defend self-destructive mindsets like yours.

>>82128679 (OP)
>Explain to me how this ideology isn't 100% based on envy and covetousness toward the more successful and genetically gifted.
If communism became a thing today, making everyone genetically gifted(massive funding & subsidizing embryo selection tech, gene editing, etc..)& guranteeing everyone's genetic survival would become their priority. But since it's filled with globalist shills and femiNAZIS who wish to genocide the majority of the men from the genepool, it'll never become a thing. We unironically need bio-leninism with incel characteristics.

>>82128711
>there is a natural hierarchy among humans based on beauty, intelligence, giftedness, etc.

Every hierarchy that exist is natural.

>>82128679 (OP)
>more successful and genetically gifted

And its natural that the have nots will overthrow them the moment they get a chance. Even lion, if its weak, gets killed by hiena or honey badger. They dont give a fuck its a lion and it should be supperior, uf it can be killed, it will be. The moment they are owerthrown by rabble they are not more gifted, they become inferior. It doesnt matter if its by numbers or subversion, those are means and nature doesnt care about ideals.

>>82128679 (OP)
>communism is sour grapes for the genetically inferior
Did you just read Harrison Bergeron for the first time? Well, work your way up to Animal Farm next and soon you'll be caught up with the average eighth grader.

>>82137761
Its really great to see more and more Marxist-Rodgerists here. I ve been posting about it on and off for sometime, im glad there is more of us.
>bio-leninism
Lenin and Lepine are my hERos

>>82137666
>For a long time, humans lived in horizontal hunter-gathering and the logistics of oikos with no real issues.
Hunter-gatherer societies are absurdly violent, with homicide causing around a third of all deaths. To me, that's an issue.

>>82138708
They were, but due to limitations that our current conceptualization can more than handle (read Peter Koprotkin's 'Conquest of the bread). Capitalists artificially create dearth so market niches can exist.

>>82128679 (OP)
Why should I care who owns what when I'm going to get the same benefit of my investment regardless?
The main problem is corruption, and it's the same no matter the ideology.

>>82128679 (OP)

>termites invade your home and start destroying it
>you want to get rid of the termites
>Y-Y-Y-YOU ARE JUST JEALOUS INSECURE BITTER LAZY MAN WITH SMALL PEE PEE!!!!

yawn. that's not gonna work.

>>82139398
>not gonna work.
Just like communism and most communists

>>82128793
the gulag was a punishment for genuine criminals, people that tried to damage society; the thing is, is that in communism the concept of everyone still works remains

a criminal doesn't get a free pass for stealing some shit from a shop

>>82128960
>Communism or socialism should not be allowed in capitalist societies because their goal is to destroy that society and steal everyone's property.
you still own things in socialism, if you receive a home, it is yours to keep

if you buy a car, it remains yours, the same with general property like home appliances and such

>>82139614
>if you receive a home
They don't fall out of trees or get put under your pillow by the house fairy

>>82139698
your retardation only proves you have no idea how communism has functioned, i'm writing this from a former soviet republic where people were given their homes
>be a member of the party (which was fucking anyone that worked)
>request a home
>get given one

one of the best political discussion threads I've seen on 4chan in a while
/pol/ should have the same /r9k/ rules applied, or at least have an option for op to have just their thread marked as such

>>82128700
Kek faggots like you would be gulaged in no time

>>82139398
Are you refering to immigration ?

>>82139600
>for stealing some shit from a shop
The absolute state of modern "communists" lmao
I shoplift everyday, fuck corporate kikes

>>82139600
Modern left is the epitome of criminal worship, they literally put all criminals under the guise of victims of society and fight to make laws as bland and less consequentialbas possible, literal child rapist and muderers getting a few years to be "reformed" despite doing irreparable damage to society in liberal coutries, this will lead to the invitable collapse of any society the left manages to govern

>>82139946
Based, law&orderfags get the rope

>>82139600
Fun thing is that inmates in GULAG were divided into two castes:
1. actual criminals, felons who committed theft, murder, rape (murders were always top of the honor ranking of soviet criminals btw)
2. and political prisoners.
1 caste get much better treatment from prison gaurds and were allowed to bully, torture, robe, rape etc caste number 2.
That show who lefties find ideologically close to them >>82139946

>>82139756
That wasn't real communism

>>82139896
>fuck corporate kikes
to steal from a shop in the ussr would be to steal from your own community, which has worked to support itself

corporations are just globalist kikes that deserve it
>>82139946
yeah it's a major problem, but then some nigger online will seethe about something like gulags when what it did was put those faggots into place and make them useful; instead of having them be a drain on society, they're put to work to sustain it

>>82128960
communists want to seize private property from capitalists and nationalize it, not give away your house to poor people. this is a lie made up by the US ruling class
>we needed a temporary dictatorship to kill off all the commies.
the communists won

>>82128700
you're acting like communism doesn't make people like him leaders or that the soviet union didn't have billionaires. our dear leader just NEEDS a whole fleet of expensive foreign luxury cars!

>>82139398
>termite invade your home
>you want to get rid of the termites
>nooo you can't just get rid of the termites you have to burn your entire house down and then rebuild it with concrete in a brutlist style and also heat your house exclusively with electric because gas is bad
>this is literally the only way to get rid of termites

Why are communists like this?

>>82139614
So what is actually the effective difference in that case between America's economy or a socialist economy. America has a shit ton of social programs.

We have publicly funded schools, roads, parks, colleges, libraries, subsidized housing, homeless shelters subsidized public transport. Then we also have medicaid, EBT, child support, free needles for drug addicts, and obama phones.

Like seriously, the only reason you will claim its not socialist is because its not effective. If you define socialism as social programs that work well and capitalism as social programs that don't work well then of course you're going to love socialism but is that really socialism?

>>82141016
>to steal from a shop in the ussr would be to steal from your own community which has worked to support itself
How is this any different than stealing from a local shop?

>your 15 minute city must work to support itself and you will not be allowed to purchase mangos grown 10k miles away unless you grow them yourself comrade.

>>82142084
>communists want to seize private property
>we don't want to seize private property though

So my grandma, who rents the downstairs of her house to young guys so she can call for help in an emergency would have her property seized for being a evil landlord and capitalist?

>>82142504
no retard, why do anti communist retards always think the "wealth" of low level peasants is at risk under communism. it's big capitalists who own our land, resources, and industry who are going to get their shit taken

>>82141016
>to steal from a shop in the ussr would be to steal from your own community, which has worked to support itself
In late USSR stealing from workplace was so rampant it became a meme

>>82128700
communists did not have empathy thoughever. they wiped out every competing political party because they did not want to empathize with different kinds of people, they wanted all control and decision making to be centalized. the fundamental belief that fueled the communist uprising is that people should not be free to exploit each other, not for 90 trillion dollars and not for 90 dollars. humans, in the communist viewpoint, are worthless, along with their emotions (which were seen as exploitative). only labor mattered, and if you had the ability to work, you were valuable to the community and you had a responsibility to ensure everyone had their basic needs met (only a central planning committee can decide how much you need)

>>82142612
What are you yapping about? The kulaks were LITERALLY peasants and they were among the first to be systematically murdered.

>>82142612
>why do anti communist retards always think the "wealth" of low level peasants is at risk under communism.
Its literally USSR history.
In 1914 in Russian Empire peasants were free and owned 75% of arable land.
In 1930s commie confiscated peasants lands and on top of that reintroduced serfdom (that Russian Emperor Alexander II canceled in 1861). Soviets peasants were freed fro serfdom again only 1974 when they received soviet internal passports just like other soviets classes. Until 1974 peasants were second class citizens tied to land by soviet population movent control laws (an until 1966 soviets peasant didn't received salaries in money, they were "paid" in "good boy points"). Russian peasantry lost everything under commies.

Only they don't teach that in modern commie schools.

>>82143103
Happened in China too. Mao quite claimed that the peasants had a "tendency toward capitalism" before wiping them out. He didn't even need to argue that peasants had too much surplus grain, he just convinced soldiers that ideologically the peasants were the enemy.

>>82142612
Why do communists pretend to know how the normalfag masses are going to operate and react to things? You really truly 100% beleive that Jamal, Jose and Cletus don't view you're grandfathers 2 million dollar house bought in the 40's as extreme luxurious wealth that should belong to them?

You really think that the one guy who owns 20 acres of land to autistically niche wine grapes in Sonoma that makes ends meet by hosting wine tastings is going to be considered an average working class man and not murdered by a mass of hungry niggers who don't give a shit about niche wine and see it as a waste of resources?

>>82143054
everyone the communists killed was a nazi or fascist collaborator

>>82143188
I guess fascist and nazis are the real working class farmers and poor of every nation and country.

>>82143178
it's not the right of citizens in a communist country to go seize people's houses because they think they're too rich. there is a party who decides what is in the best interests of the masses not a bunch of thug "niggers" who go around looting everything

>>82143223
that's exactly the problem of communism. capitalism doesn't kill anyone, but communism kills the working class. it's kind of a no-brainer if you work.

Communists who swore Kamala was going to win the election and were flabbergasted 2 times in a row when trump won are out here acting like they know how an angry mob of masses are going to selectively choose who they kill and let live or who's lives they will ruin of allow to exist.

>>82143223
most fascists are lumpen scum NEETs

>>82143234
communists have no interest in electing a fascist like Kamala

>>82143228
>its the party
Ah so much better than citizens despite being the exact same fucking thing
>its not a bunch of thug niggers its just are mostly criminal military we've trained to view citizens as weak easily exploitable, easily intimidated, enemy scum!

How do you defend the fact that every single attempt to enact communism had led to the communist state killing masses of working class people in the name of equality? Its literally never not been the case in which communism becomes the state power and the power doesn't go door to door killing your brother for not believing women are equal to men or that niggers are subhumans or that you should be allowed to own private property.

>>82143261
Regardless, they can't predict elections why are they pretending they know what a communist revolution is going to be like? Why are you here telling me that my grandma a land lord forcing someone to pay rent to live on her property isn't going to be slaughtered in a revolution because the communists all have strict rules and decorum. Or why are you pretending that once the revolution is over and a "not fascist" government takes control that they will follow the rules and opinions that you personal believe in?

>>82143261
This is the equivalent of saying nazis have no interest in electing Trump. Yes you fucking did. There is endless proof that you did across all your little faggot forums on every corner of the internet.

Why are you speaking as if all communists are a hive mind that you are the spokesperson for?

Imagine if I said, don't worry bro, when the inevitable white nationalist revolution happens we will let the cool niggers and spics live here. Just trust me bro, if you're cool you'll live which is why you should be a white nationalist or support their movement.

>>82141016
>was put those faggots into place and make them useful
Its funny any leftie in the west will say that this is fascist, kek just accept that there is no hope for the left right now, their policies will flatter corpos who say that minorities and gays are le good while at the same time letting all kinds of criminais do what they want while getting a slap in the wrist, even more if they are immigrants and minorities, theres only one outcome, those countries will go full rightwing either by the societal collapse with the harmful policies to the average citzen (criminal leniency and worship as small example) or when immigrants with a conservative cultures flood the nations and finally take over the country in the politics side.
The only remnants of true left is in the east and its not really even that close either, just wait a little few decades as the true left in the west is long dead and we are just seeing the last nails in the coffin at this point

>>82143247
>openly admitting you're on /r9k/ purely to shill communism
Communists are basically identical to jews in tactics. No honor.

>>82143274
the communists killing the masses is a lie made up by western fascist capitalists to try to paint the communists as worse than hitler
enforcing the idea that women are equal to men has nothing at all to do with communism and you only bring it up because of the fake 21st century gender war that you are engaged in because you are a retard
the population greatly increased under Stalin and Mao

>>82143354
the capitalists lying about anything was a lie invented by communists to try to paint the better half of the world as dishonest.

>>82143354
>communists killing masses is a lie
Nah
>fake gender war
its real you're just a dumb fucking old boomer with no fucking clue what life is like anymore in your ivory tower

>>82143321
>Why are you speaking as if all communists are a hive mind that you are the spokesperson for?
I'm just grasping the principles described by Marx and engels and looking at historical examples of real communism. a bunch of faggots going to college to learn about gender theory and have blue hair are not communists and they don't even know what working class means. they are a sub version of communism created by western elites to distract people from the real essence of it. these homos only adopted the label of communism because it seems edgy and it makes their boomer parents mad

>>82143340
communism and good and so are jews

>>82143408
>looking at historical examples of real communism
The ones in which they starting killing farmers or the ones where they went door to door killing people for disagreeing with the state? Or maybe the one they forced farmers to kill birds and then created the worst famine in known history?

>liberals aren't heckin communists
yes they are. They are literally identical to you and all of your beliefs. Communism doesn't even work in theory. its completely retarded. Academia is literally filled with jewish communist proffesors.

>they don't know what working class means
Considering you'd kill everyone in the working class because of their beliefs I don't think you know what it means either.

>the real essence of communism
You sound like a religious cult retard.

>adopted communism because it sounds edgy
This is what you're doing though. Except the normal blue haired communists aren't edgy enough so you're pretending to be extra edgy by threatening to kill people not even understanding that the blue haired faggots do the exact same shit.

What website did you come from you fucking faggot?

Imagine actually believing that value is derived from labor.

>>82143464
>killing people for disagreeing with the state?
they killed people like Leon Trotsky for being a fascist collaborator which is a good thing
>They are literally identical to you and all of your beliefs.
they share nothing in common with communists and everything in common with fascists
> Communism doesn't even work in theory. its completely retarded.
it worked in China (most prosperous country in the world) and USSR but then you lie and say they're ackchually capitalists because they trade goods or that they slaughtered 100 billion people for being white
> Academia is literally filled with jewish communist proffesors.
most of them are white faggots. not sure why fascist subhumans are so obsessed with jews as if your life would be better if your landlord and bankers were all white (which they probably are anyway)
>Considering you'd kill everyone in the working class because of their beliefs I don't think you know what it means either.
communists believe in following the wisdom and interests of the working class people, unlike fascists and liberals who think it's their job to impose their retarded worldviews and convert them to their side

>>82143527
>everyone I kill is a fascist collaborater
see how here >>82143485 was accused to be a nazi by thousands of people for merely having a white child and nice clothes? As a communist would you kill pewdiepie or strip him of all his wealth?

>they share nothing in common
Common beliefs you actually hold
equality
women are equal to men
gender war is fake and women deserve better
being a whore is acceptable
the rich should pay their fair share
universal basic income
universal healthcare
chinks and shitskins are equal to white people
jews are white
the workers of the world should unite
capitalism is evil
rich people are evil unless they support my doctrine

I'm probably missing a lot.
>most of them are white faggots
Jews are vastly over represented in academia. No jews are not white.
My life would be objectively better if my landlord and banker was white

>following the wisdom and interest of the working class people
>by sending them to the gulag the second they threaten or question to great glorious communist party

>>82143794
>As a communist would you kill pewdiepie or strip him of all his wealth?
communism is not a racial ideology. only naz-libs like you care about that. it is a false consciousness

>>82143961
but pewdiepie is a nazi and communists kill nazis according to you. So yes or no? Should the state kill pewdiepie or strip him of all his wealth and send him to a gulag?

>>82143961
Also please explain how labor = value. Or you know address any of the other hundreds of points brought up that you're intentionally ignoring because they're inconvenient to your ego's narrative.

>>82144120
what makes pewdiepie a nazi?

>>82144132
>read fascist literature and recommended it
>casually called someone a nigger in a video game
>super pro privacy from government spying(communists hate this)
>dressed up as a nazi for a joke
>likes traditionalist aesthetics
>moved to Japan to escape ethnic diversity
>promoted a racist fascist content creator on youtube
>used 4chan frequently

>>82144132
Also please address any of the many points about communists killing farmers or prove that its capitalist lies.

>>82144128
for the reason that the value of anything is as much as the labor required to create it. if you spend your time making one product, the amount you create would be of equal value if you spent the same time creating another product. for example, an AI generated image is worthless since it takes nothing to make

>>82144201
>for the reason that the value of anything is as much as the labor required to create it
But its not. This entirely assumes the value of a particular product is static. Say for example beef. Not all beef is as valuable as others even though it took the same amount of labor to grow each one.

Sometimes its not even the labor of an product that makes it valuable. Take for example a meator crashing from the sky. Zero labor involved and yet if people want to own it, it becomes valuable.

>>82144201
More examples include restaurants, how about beanie babies or labuboos. What about prostitutes?

A prostitutes value is not her labor but her genetics. The value of food is not how long it took, but the quality of the food. You can spend an entire day making a stew vs spending 30 minutes making a pizza, a good chunk of people would pay more for the pizza.

>>82144175
i don't see anything that's inherently fascist (like using 4chan? you're retarded) it can be easy for a normal person to get duped into leaning fascist with all the lies being spread about jews and hitler nowadays and that's the only solution outside the 2 party system that people are really being exposed to so it's naturally where many end up if they're not content with the current system. the fascists also stole the military and traditionalist aesthetics from communists. so I don't think these things make pewdiepie a serious fascist like Kamala or netanyahu

>>82144312
Its all inherently fascist and no communist are not traditionalists at all, the fucking despise tradition hence their attempt to eliminate christianity.

You've very very retarded and brainwashed. Also yes, using 4chan before 2020 makes you highly likely to be a fascist. You know before retarded newfags like you showed up to do your historical revisionism of 4chan.

>>82144312
Oh but I see you've already conceded that communists killed the working class and that labor isn't equivalent to value.

Its very nice that you can admit when you are objectively incorrect. I must say it does make you look like a complete retard.

>>82128679 (OP)
>thinks capitalism = meritocracy
i'll explain it when you grow a brain, bootlicker.

>>82144443
>thinks communism = meritocracy
>bootlicker
Imagine saying this after literally licking the boots of niggers across America
>inb4 I'm not heckin liberal
explain one single core belief you have that differs from antifa and where these supposed huge real communists parties gather and congregate to spread ideas. I'm going to go ahead and guess you won't because its going to be filled with trannies.

>>82144486
infrared and the american communist party

>>82144510
>CPU
>truggle for the unity of the working class, against all forms of national oppression, national chauvinism, discrimination and segregation, against all racist ideologies and practices, ... against all manifestations of male supremacy and discrimination against women, ... against homophobia and all manifestations of discrimination against gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transgender people.
So basically they're exactly identical to liberals. They even hate men.
>infrared
So popular it doesn't even come up with a search using key terms like communist. Unless you're referring to a shitskin muslim twitch streamer who is 100% a liberal.

LMFAO. At least it confirms my suspicion that most communist are actually mentally retarded shitskin scabs who get their news from glowniggers on twitch.

>>82144562
the cpusa is a liberal democrat organization and not the same as the American communist party
https://acp.us/program

>Unless you're referring to a shitskin muslim twitch streamer who is 100% a liberal.
he has nothing in common with liberals. plus his organization does local community service and joins workers on strike and meets world leaders. this is more than any fascist does which amounts to shitposting on twitter and interviewing other fascist mongs on their stupid podcasts.

>>82144486
>communism is when you're not nazi
the bar is not that low

>>82144629
>ACP
>Marxists who support Trump
Holy shit its even more embarrassing than I thought. its leaders are the twitch streamer faggots I mentioned earlier kek.

but yeah, you're still liberal. You're attempting to subvert the right wing like the bested of good goyim you are. You see the right wing is the only actual threat to global powers(jews) and they desperately need you diverting attention away from white genocide.

>>82144663
>antifa is purely an anti nazi organization
why communists such dishonest jews?

>>82144684
it's you who is diverting white people from real class consciousness so they feud with random black people and jews instead of the actual ruling class parasites. it's sad. your entire worldview is a product of whatever agenda the elites are currently pushing

>>82144663
>nazism is when you're not a commie

I really love that the best the ACP has to offer when shilling 4chan is posting mentally retarded and hoping people will not realize they never address any arguments against marxist theory or marxism in practice.

Its pretty much pic related.

>>82144723
Thats fucking hilarious considering every major movie ect ect ect for the last 40 years has been anti-capitalist class conscious retardation.

No, the reality is race is real and far more important than class.

>>82144727
marxism has worked everywhere it was tried while fascism failed

>>82144740
>if I outright lie hopefully people will believe my bullshit.

>>82144737
>No, the reality is race is real and far more important than class.
you think this because you are an out of touch loser NEET who is afraid of brown people. but not al people definitely feel more kinship with their brown coworkers than a white faggot banker or CEO. also, fascism is being heavy astroturfed on social media and any claims about being censored and persecuted are a complete lie

>>82144740
Wow, there you go again not making a single real argument and ignoring all of the previous critique of your mentally ill ideology

>>82144755
it's true. the USSR defeated the Nazis and lasted far longer. the Chinese communist party is currently the most powerful in the world. where has fascism ever been successful?

>>82144774
>you are out of touch
Nope, I specifically became racist when I worked in a black neighborhood. You're actaully out of touch. You unironically watch twitch streamers and follow them in some obscure cultist political party with nonsensical positions and views.


oh btw Marx was racist too. Literally the only thing he ever got right

>>82144797
>the USSR defeated the nazis
kek, America defeated the nazis.

Americans also defeated communism as well but you're too delusional and brainwashed to ever admit that.

>>82144809
Marx and ordinary people may be racist or prejudiced in ways like everyone is. but the difference is they don't make an ideology about it and try to impose their racial vision on the world. a racist working class guy who doesn't like black people doesn't talk about preserving white genes and bloodlines and worshipping hitler like some faggot fascist would do. they don't go around trying to convert people to being "racially aware"

>>82144819
the majority of us aid arrived late in the war so the USSR would have definitely won regardless

>>82144834
>racism is le heckin wrong
Funny just earlier you were celebrating the idea of killing fascist and now you're relating fascist to constrction workers after claiming the real working class aren't fascist.

You said I was out of touch yet all of the polling inidicates zoomer men are more right wing and authoritarian than ever before and its only going to go further in that direction. All you can do is try your best to shill a dying old millennial image board to try and get support for leftism. Not only are you wasting your time, looking like a fucking idiot and probably pushing people further right but you're not making any effective change at all. Pretty much sums up being a leftist in general.

>>82144849
No it didn't. The moment U.S. aid arrived the soviets launched their counter offensive.
Capitalism defeating fascism. Capitalism defeated communism 20 years ago.

How do you reconcile the fact that the last great hope for communism is known across the capitalist world as the place you get shitty products from cheap practically slave labor? Whats it like to know communism failed so hard that you have to pretend that working for pennies a day at a factory to make an American a labubu doll is the pinnacle of achievement that communism has to offer.

>>82145054
>Funny just earlier you were celebrating the idea of killing fascist and now you're relating fascist to constrction workers after claiming the real working class aren't fascist.
I'm not sure what this word salad meant but all I said was normal people may be prejudiced, they just don't believe in paganism and bloodlines and creating a white nation like the creepy hitler fans do. this is why whenever you greentext me you just do some incoherent rambling because what I actually said was much more agreeable than whatever gibber you're saying

and I fully believe the trend of fascism going on will fail since all you loser NEETs do is shitpost on twitter about jews, and your "leaders" spend all their time interviewing each other on their streams, talking about their stupid ideas but never having anyway to implement them or appeal to the masses where the true power of the country lies

>>82145112
>normal people are prejudices
Normal people, as in the working class
>they don't believe in paganism
Nice strawman there. They are however starting to believe in racial segregation.

>i believe it wall fail
Its not. You would know this if you weren't out of touch despite claiming to be a champion of the people
>the masses
kek, the masses have fully rejected communism already. its literally over for you. You're political party isn't even as large as small minor white nationalist groups like patriot front that are almost certainly honeypots.

You're attempt to subvert 4chan is the funniest failure of communism yet. You seek the power 4chan had years ago yet you're incapable of realizing that power ceases to exist the moment it becomes leftist. Its a denial of reality that holds you back such as your views on race or economic theory.

>>82145092
China is prospering and heading in a good direction currently which you can't say about the United States which has stagnated for decades and life is only becoming more unaffordable for average people. communism is alive and well, if only we had it here.

and I don't see what's wrong with cheap products that are useful for their price. is there something wrong with buying a $1 porcelain coffee mug? Americans also complain about their $1000 iphones being manufactured in China. maybe America should reindustrialize like China and make their own products instead of forcing everyone to work at Starbucks and restaurants.

>>82131081
Conveniently the plain truth lmao

>>82145184
>forcing
does starbucks have special nets to prevent their workers from jumping off the roof?

the main thing my parents remember of the USSR is that everyone was forced to live a certain lifestyle and work in specific industries based on aptitude or family status. China was much worse at this, and some people prefer the predictability and stability of forcing people to get a job (no able bodied person is homeless or unemployed), but quite literally if you don't like being forced to work a shitty job then you should never follow communist propaganda.

>>82145184
>China is prospering and heading in a good direction currently
In what metrics you retarded brainwashed pinko faggot?
>low birth rates
>extreme poverty
>speculative markets
>extreme pollution

>muh united states
Wow, as the U.S. becomes less white and more brown it turns into a brown third world shit hole. What a shocking discovery!

>communism is alive and well
Where? At this point I'm going to have to ask you to actually define communism and capitalism because I believe you are a retard that has a religious devotion to the color red rather than any understanding of economic theory.

>I don't any issue with cheap products
The issue is how they're cheap. You are a complete fucking retard. Why do you think products made in China are cheap despite being made across the country and shipped to America?
>maybe America should re-industrialize like China
That would be great, unfortunately leftists don't believe doing that is a good idea.

>>82145211
>Shut up serfcuck, you're just wish you were a lord and could fuck men's daughters. But instead you're inferior trash and your daughters are the lord's cocksleeves as God and Nature intended!

>>82145335
What a wild strawman. Ignoring all critiques of your arguments again I see.

>>82145387
You're literally just saying anyone who hates the boot is just upset they're not the one wearing it. That or you're too stupid to enjoy the privilege of stepping on others. Hell, the anon admitted he agrees with it and that says everything about your ilk and what you champion.

>>82145184
Xi Jinping's messages feature large amounts of nationalistic pride for china and the chinese people. Their policy isnt' globalist, but China First. They're the closest thing to natsoc at this point.

>>82143247
Mostly everyone on this website is a total fucking loser. 90% of those who claim otherwise are lying. Only losers spend their life arguing about this shit on an anonymous forum while others spend their lives with friends, family, and their jobs that aren't straight up tard labor like being a retail associate who thinks they're the powerhouse that makes the world go round.

>>82145826
All Communist countries have been very conservative and patriotic. hitler appealed to popular communist sentiments in his speeches but in practice he just sold the country to capitalists

>>82145914
yes and that's why hitler is so popular here

>>82145938
communists are generally fascist in that way.