why are so many incels into femdom?

because they want women to do all the work including during sex.

Because it's the only way then can envision someone wanting them, as a target of abuse. Same thing as dicklets that get into sph.

>>82158521 (OP)
Because the only way for them to escape inceldom would be if a woman took charge, and also, they want to feel desired.

because submissive straight men tend to be incels because of probability. pretty simple to understand

>>82158521 (OP)
Do femdom and cuckolding go hand in hand?

>>82158521 (OP)
Women go for dominant abusechads, not submissive femboys. So naturally all the femdom enjoyers become incels. It is cause rather than effect.

They have the mistaken belief that femdom arises from a woman caring about a man

>>82158521 (OP)
Because lack of affection breaks you in unfixable ways so your mind is constantly trying to heal itself but it doesn't work. Like a wound that constantly reopens and heals in horrible ways.

>>82158544
Eventually yes.

>>82158544
I wouldn't ever want to be the cuck but I love femdom.

>>82158561
This. But I won't allow myself to feel used.

>>82158521 (OP)
Because of being incels. The one time I actually had sex my desire to be submissive went away completely. It's pretty much just a cope for being alone and wanting affirmation that someone desires you. If you're ever in a situation where it's clear that a woman desires you, the submissive urge goes away.

>>82158570
what if she desired you but wanted you to take a submissive role?

>>82158570
This did not work for me at all.

>>82158570
what about dudes that like getting dommed and pegged?

>>82158521 (OP)
Because a girl fawning over a dork seems less believable for most incels.

>>82158570
by "submissive" here you clearly mean "i want the woman to lead because I have no idea what I am doing", which is just a lack of confidence, rather than "i want to be tied down, teased and denied orgasm for an hour"

>>82158544
they can, if I were a bull I'd make the girl dom her bf while I was fucking her and act like they're cute roommates who lez out and stuff. I wouldn't want to cuck someone if I felt like it would undermine their relationship so I'd want to turn it into a threesome instead, but one where I'm dom with her and she's dom with him.

>>82158521 (OP)
they're lazy lovers

>>82158521 (OP)
I just wanna be desired by a girl and femdom's the extreme of it. That's the only reason really

>>82158521 (OP)
i used to be into it, but i stopped when i hit 19

>>82158521 (OP)
Obviously femdom is only hot if she's hot, if she's not then average love is fine. Of course it wouldn't be one sided, if she is willing to play along with my fetishes I should be able to play the part in hers when she wants to.

>>82158521 (OP)
Aren't most fetishes cringey and freaky, only really working in anime?
I can't think of a single fetish that would play out naturally IRL.

>>82158570
Half true, I found myself naturally taking a domimant role when it became clear a woman actually wanted me, but I think I'd still enjoy submitting.

i think gentle femdom can be aesthetically pleasing and wholesome. If we normalized pictures like pic rel then zoommetts would start to dominate zoomers en masse

>>82159001
Sauce for pic, my good man?

>>82159043
sauce- 4chan...

>>82158578
>What if the Galompadomp Monster did a Fitzgerald Split and diffused the hyper-schematics?
See, I can make shit up too.

>>82158521 (OP)
I guess I can't imagine a woman submitting to me. Why would she?

femdom is usually indie or ghetto quality which some people like

>>82158521 (OP)
A woman will not femdom you (for free) unless she loves you

Serious.

go on tinder and ask for femdom and 99%+ women will never do it. And those that will will charge you everytime

>>82158525
Yes it's reasonable for a woman to service a man entirely. Take a load off. Not hard to understand.

>>82159268
femdom is not "servicing a man" though, if it she was servicing him that would still be maledom since the woman, through servicing him, is still submitting, femdom is different

>>82159278
> Words, words, words
Penis in Vagina, Unprotected, Cumming with Sperm from an Undesirable Male.

>>82158626
No it's not that, it's "I want to know a woman is actually attracted to me and wants me".

>>82158521 (OP)
can't a nigga just have a fetish/fantasy?

>>82159499
know that no women will ever willingly do that to you, less than one percent of women lean dominant

Is cunnilingus inherently submissive like a blowjob?

>>82159694
I think it depends on the situation and how its done

>>82159694
receiving is submissive

>>82159710
receiving a blowjob is not submissive thoughbeit

>>82159721
i was talking about cunnilingus
>receiving a blowjob is not submissive
it could be
for example, if he is tied up, gagged, and can't do anything about it while she edges him with her mouth

Where are all these incels who are into femdom? I'm a chick into it and I can't find any guys who like it...

>>82159877
they're into GFD and probably wouldn't like being tied up because they're just subs because they're scared and lack experience

>>82159877
Hi, I'm in Poland. I really enjoyed Tsumi no Kai, though only when it was about the couple, I dropped it when more and more other people were introduced. I'd love to be helpless and squirming under a sadistic bully like that

>>82159889
I wouldn't call that being a sub then. They're just inexperienced guys who want the woman to put in all the work until they have sexual confidence.
>>82159901
I'm surprised to find another person who likes Tsumi no kai, especially a guy haha. I agree with you, I liked it when the main couple was the focus.. Also, I would love to tie you up and bully you hehe

>>82159974
I really liked the chapter with orgasm control, it's hot to imagine a girl manipulating me and reshaping my entire sexuality, and also teasing and bullying me about my perversion (even though she's just as perverted). I also liked how she objectified him and that she got off from his reactions. I'm sensitive and easy to startle, maybe that's why I have this fetish, it feels good to imagine a woman who enjoys my squirming, moaning, panting, shivering, crying etc.
>I would love to tie you up and bully you hehe
Please be gentle. Would you tell me what you will do beforehand, or make me helpless and then surprise me when I can't back off?

>>82158521 (OP)
If i wasn't into femdom i wouldn't be an incel, shrimple
>>82159877
every femanon is somehow into cutting and that makes me afraid of them

>>82160017
The orgasm control was the best, right after the shibari hehe.
> I'm sensitive and easy to startle
That's so cute, I wish more men were like you. A guy who's sensitive is very attractive. I'd love to see all your reactions.
>Would you tell me what you will do beforehand, or make me helpless and then surprise me when I can't back off?
Make you helpless and then surprise you of course. What fun would it be if you knew what I was going to do?
>>82160118
Unfortunately I am one of the femanons into cutting, but I promise I'm nothing to be afraid of!

>>82160165
Since you like cutting, does bloodplay interest you?

>>82159877
>hey I cant find any irl but I find them all online teehee

>>82158525
>foids realized how being equal in privilege is inconvenient so we will go back to traditional roles now

not surprising

>>82160165
Pent-up boys become more sensitive and... accomodating, so you can harness that, saying somethng like
>If you want me to satisfy you, you have to work hard to satisfy me first, so will you let me do x and y for z amount of hours?
>That's so cute, I wish more men were like you. A guy who's sensitive is very attractive. I'd love to see all your reactions.
Thanks... it would feel so good for my weakness to become my strenght. Maybe even therapeutic as it would make me more resistant to discomfort, suffering, exertion and strong emotions. Exposure therapy. Would you take pictures or just savour the moment?
>Make you helpless and then surprise you of course.
Would you like to see the fear in my eyes when you push beyond my boundaries? My biggest fetish is being at a woman's mercy and subjected to her fantasies and momentary whims.
>I promise I'm nothing to be afraid of!
Cutting is unbelievably scary! Though scary women are unbelievably hot. I'd hide all sharp objects from you, nails are scary and dangerous enough!

>>82158521 (OP)
because being the one that approaches, plans, and does everything gets tiring. Either put on a mask or remain lonely in many cases. Gotten to the point where my options are limited. I can see why serial killers would go after women. They pretend to be different under a facade that they arent all the same under the surface. Once you realize the pattern is repetitive you realize how limited options are, and how being desired comes with conditions of being mister perfect. Any man will be driven mad. Even the men that are able to have casual sex with women have a deep rooted sense of hatred for them. Because he realizes if he wasn't him, they wouldn't even care to spit in his direction. so he fucks her and leaves like the cum dumpster she is. They dont deserve a committed relationship if this is what they expect from us. they deserve to be hurt, used, and treated like second class citizens. Misogyny didn't stem from "she's le wymin LOL" it stemmed from realizing their so called empathetic nature is a lie, and that it all comes with conditions to be wanted. They all deserve to be executed in masses. Depopulating the female population wouldn't change much, many men would still be lonely anyway. so why would the extra fat be kept be any different?

>>82158521 (OP)
Being Asian, I'm naturally submissive to white goddesses.

>>82160271
imagine being polish

cockroaches are skiddish now, interesting

>>82160171
Hm, that's not something I've heard of before, but it does seem interesting. I'd be up to trying it out on a guy!
>>82160199
I'm sorry if my post upset you anon... This is really my first time finding any guys into femdom. Are you jealous or something?
>>82160220
>Pent-up boys become more sensitive and... accomodating, so you can harness that
Do they really now? Hehe, that's good information to know, thank you for telling me.
>Would you take pictures or just savour the moment?
I would love to just savor the moment, but I don't think I would be able to resist wanting to take photos. Documenting everything would be erotic..
>Would you like to see the fear in my eyes when you push beyond my boundaries?
I definitely would, femdom isn't any good if the guy has no reaction to it!!

>>82158521 (OP)
death to useless breeders cattle would be butchered feed the greedy mouths of your god and satisfy their cuckold fetish
I'll throat fuck your precious gaia and cum loads of molten lava down her gullet and watch her burn from within. tranny ass nigger created uranus to satisfy her agp. Apollyon cut off her cunt rape her offsprings to shreds. Bring forth the holocaust to remove the spectacle prowess. Cage breeders in a tomb and put rocks in their womb. Tare out their spine and beat them to death so sacrifice them on this holy shrine. Killing the fertile ones to starve out the farmer. Beg and plead against their will and until he has your head. Daughters of gaia prepare your eternal toil your daughters will be sacrificed and burned across the plain. sacrifice for eternal youth, of gaias little whores. Adam, take back your rib man was always alone. Smite your bitch wife eve until she is no more. Take another forbidden fruit and force it down her throat. Wait until she gags and chokes and when she is no more. Relentless hell unleash the from the grounds and consume all that has been created. Moloch give me the option to sacrifice these whores ascend my soul beyond this realm away from this mortal toil.

Pretty much all men want gentle femdom, not just incels.
Incels just crave it more. Incels are more affection starved.
If a woman initiated every sexual encounter with you, it means she really likes yoj

>>82160264
would you feel this way towards a dominant woman who wants to femdom you?

>>82158521 (OP)
Because there's no confusion. Women love to do nothing and have men read their minds so they can continue to do nothing. For the Incel who can't read their minds,the idea of Femdom is preferred because almost always she initiates. No misinterpreted, no mixed signals, no cry of rape ten years later.

>>82160017
With that attitude, you'll get cucked unless you're really lucky, my dude

>>82160477
what is her intention and does she femdom because she likes to make fun of people who are vulnerable to feel a sense of power while also wanting someone to put her in her place, but is still in denial about it? which results in cuckolding. Or the femdom type of reassurance while being certain she knows what she wants. Which is usually rare or non existent. Of course my opinions would change mostly on the individual and not women as a whole if there is an exception to a rule. This does come off as conditional but its not the same in the situation of let's say, mister perfect being her fantasy? One wants everything perfect while the other just wants to feel secure. So its not comparable if thats what you are trying to convey.

>>82158521 (OP)
They've given up on being the "alpha" in terms of having a relationship with women and will settle for being the "girl" as long as they get some type of contact with a girl sexually.

>>82161262
Are there girls who are fine with taking that role and won't fuck another man on the side?

>>82158521 (OP)
I feel it can be explained by the fact that they are extra lonely and want to feel loved and cared for and safe.

and femdom is one of the stronger expressions of that. because your partner is actively putting effort into domming which they wouldn't do if they don't care for you. being in a proper dynamic requires a lot of effort, trust and communication from both sides (and even more effort from the dominant party) which can kinda make it stronger than a 'normal' vanilla relationship.

plus I feel it also needs to be clearly differentiated what one means by femdom. is it
> the porn-brained perception of leather bitch kicking someone's balls and insulting them like she hates them
> woman taking the lead by asking the guy out and being on top during vanilla sex and whatnot
> proper consensual and mutually enjoyable bdsm with woman in charge and the guy being her sub

Also, it's kinda fucked that modern perception of femdom is findom and cucking. Hopefully the situation improves.

>>82161505
Theres not really any femdom anon. What we have here is a reality that god built to contain animals. Naturally, men would be killing and raping and sleeping under trees, just like the other animals. What we have here is not normal. It twists our minds with stupidity of how unnatural it is to mans mind. Engaging in femdom would literally never happen in a real life situation, so its pretty much as good as being a movie actor.

incels should be tied up, looksmaxxed with drugs training and diet, then hoisted up as living shibari artworks

God designed clothing to hide the sexual organs. Most of gods designs were to prevent men from raping lol. We see this philosophy in architecture too. Basically they try to impair men, and to limit mens options, and to beat men down. Because a beaten man is a better slave, and god loves the money.

>>82158521 (OP)
They want to make it harder for themselves so it's easier to complain about no gf, femdom is the least popular fetish among women

>>82161535
Wtf are you on about?

> "Naturally, men would be killing and raping and sleeping under trees"

Thank god we have modern civilisation so we are released from such urges

> "just like other animals"
there are countless species in nature where the female could be considered the dominant party in reproduction and is often bigger and stronger.

I am not saying this makes femdom good or bad but for ffs I don't see why you are so vitriolic at people enjoying themselves lmao. no one is forcing you to seek out a dominant partner

>>82161593
You cant find a dominant woman because they only do that stuff for chad. Its actually submissive to be a dominant as a girl. And they wont submit to anyone except an alpha male. Theres no girls who fantasize about domming a sub 8 beta male loser.

>>82161618
i knew a feminazi girl who fantasized about femdomming weak incels and making them submit to her

>>82161563
>average Sweedish couple

>>82161637
Girls just say that stuff. Youll know its real if shes licking your sphincter. Shes licked chads bum a lot.

>>82161618
People fantasise about being with pretty people, shocker.

Though idk what weird logic is that it's submissive to be dominant. I suppose it can be if it's just performative to spicy up bedroom activities. But there are women out there who are genuinely dominant (I speak from personal experience).

>>82161655
No theres not even any women. Women are like dolls that satan controls. Thats why this world is so unnatural looking, it was made by an immortal being who cares little about the suffering and is more interested in temporary art projects.

>>82161637
unbelievably based, I hope she made them do naked dogeza

>>82161655
It's more likely a woman pegs a man at his behest than that to be her natural inclination.

>>82161691
pegging is a male-centric fetish, she feels nothing while you cum buckets.
cunnilingus is a better example, and I think a lot of women would like to be eaten out

>>82158521 (OP)
Because women crave long Calcutta cock

>>82161691
I mean it really depends on the demographics. In general female population, 100%. But if you take the women who are into domming (which admittedly are probably like single digit percent), I wouldn't be so sure. It's actually a surprisingly popular fetish among women in femdom spaces from what I have seen.

>>82161717
Well there double ended dildos, plus from what I understand, for a lot of people the physical sensation of a dynamic is as important if not less important that the emotional impact of it. But I do agree that it is fairly male-centric.

Though I think that at the end of the day, people really focus on like physical aspect of bdsm and often forget the emotional part which is imo even hotter than the pure physical sensation.

>>82158544
its probably to get cheated on
but usually the performative cuck thing is the sub's request

>>82161818
Tbh I never understood cucking.

Especially in context of femdom. Like the whole point of it as a sub is to feel safe and cared for at the end of the day (even within like harsh play, there is still aftercare and underlying care and affection). And cucking is like the opposite of all that

>>82161717
pegging a subby guy is like fingering a girl

>>82158521 (OP)
As a mentalcel with this condtion, it's because of internalized misandry as well as being on the failing end of internalized misogyny. If I reveal emotions beyond anger and lust or tell a woman about my day without being careful, then I'm demanding emotional labor from her. If I don't pay for her, then I'm cheap and a burden. If I so much as exist, then I'm making her uncomfortable because men are a threat to women. I want to follow the woman's labido because I'm ashamed of my own. It's not rape if she's the one doing it to me. When I take the lead, then I question everything I do, every twitch on my face, every wrong crack in my voice. I am unable to perform, and I can't stop myself from performing around women(as then I run the risk of being a man) because then I'm making her uncomfortable in my mind. I'm being monstrous, I'm owning her, or asserting myself over her with my male voice and my male body, which is not at all perfect, and I have athsburgers anyway, so it's worse. It would be fine if I could be a Chad thundercock, and make 6 figures and have a 6 incher and be above 6 feet, and I sacrificed everything I am, my time with the children, my family and friends, just to further my carreer and provide for my family and be beloved and die quickly. But I'm 5'8 and have a 5.5 incher and I am working on being a betabuxer by the time I'm 30, and I don't entirely admire my father for doing that.

When a woman takes charge and wants me, I feel a mixture of intense unspeakable shame, as well as a warm sense of belonging and wholesome desire(the combination of which almost always scares me off). As opposed to the self-lothing I experience when I rarely succeed after rarely asserting myself.

If I were gay, life would be much easier because then I wouldn't feel out of place or unwanted or like a threat or wrong just by existing. Unfortunately faggots don't have boobs and pussys. I don't feel creepy asserting myself over other guys, but also not aroused.

>>82161593
>there are countless species in nature where the female could be considered the dominant party in reproduction and is often bigger and stronger

and they treat men like shit, atleast in a normal species the male still gives a shit about the females well being.

>>82158521 (OP)
That question always gets many replies but I rarely see anons talk about the feeling of being overwhelmed by female energy. I wanna be smothered by the woman's presence to the point where I no longer know if I want it, and that can only be achieved through femdom

>>82158521 (OP)
I just feel that being tied up and spanked and denied and then cuddling and being hugged afterwards sounds fun. :shrug:

Though, outside of all the fetish and such stuff, I just want my partner to feel appreciated and loved and I see being their sub and doing what they want as a way to manifest that (like cooking breakfast for her, giving her a foot rub when she comes home tired, focusing on her pleasure during sex etc.).

Unfortunately such sentiments are generally not appreciated in modern dating

>>82161717
females hate the idea of making their partner happy, what a shocker. Its gotten to the point they completely changed the being equal to and demand men to be dominant again.

>>82159560
why do you think i said "fantasy"

>>82158521 (OP)
I'm not into femdom, but I certainly wish a foid would be forward about wanting to fuck me.
I fucking hate all the pussy-footing around and how easily they get offended when a guy wants to know if sex is likely or desired.

femdom, cucking, it's all about relinquishing control and letting someone else be in charge of her pleasure

>>82158521 (OP)
I'm not. I simply wish women were more straightforward and teasing. For example that pic looks nice. You're being both hugged and pleased, with some hot nothings whispered into your ear. It shows other person wants to make you feel good. If I got such treatment I'd gladly reciprocate.

>>82162262
this is generally because men love to use a woman for sex and dump her right after, and sex is socially beneficial for men and not for women, studies have proven that

>>82159877
Tfw no fembot to tie me up like that and degrade me

>>82161906
Why can't there be aftercare and underlying care and affection in cucking?

>>82158521 (OP)
Because a lot of men are naturally submissive but literally zero (0) women are naturally dominant, resulting in a large number of subcel men

>>82158521 (OP)
That's because all the girls who showed any kind of attraction towards me were dominant.
Plus I really like when a girls is interested in me and does her part at approaching because I literally have 'tism
>>82162364
>men love to use a woman for sex and dump her right after
Do you mean like the 2 percent of men that can and will do it?
Even most men who are attractive enough to pull it are in a LTR
>Women don't socially benefit from sex
The opposite, women who have casual sex tend to be more popular.
To the point that projecting that image is a key step in the careers of many singers.
Think about it. Most the popular girls at, school, at work... have a long sex history
>Men benefit socially from sex
Not as much as women do. Very, very few men have improved their social standing by having casual sex.
The social media and gossip spheres are dominated by the female public.
>Studies have proven
Oh look! Another person who doesn't understand studies and their actual value.
Just lets say that if the studies are divorced from the observable reality the methodology and conclusions suck.

>>82158544
Cucking is the annoying faggot trying to insert himself into a friend group. It follows femdom around and acts like they know each other.

>>82163296
That and sissy shit. Like make your own spaces

>>82158570
This. When I got a gf, my forced fem and tg captions fetish went away.

>>82162364
>sex is socially beneficial for men and not for women
The potential for sex is socially beneficial for women and not for men. A man is "gross" and "corrupts" women when he has sex with them, which is why it seems like men benefit. Really, sexual value is pushed closer to equal when men have sex with women and prove their "worth." Men are considered the lowest of whores by defualt. When men have sex, they're whores who have sex, which means at least they're somewhat attractive whores considering the standards of women.

>>82162344
And then she goes and fucks another dude, duh
>>82158562

>>82158759
>t. im a foid that wants the man to do everything

>>82162364
>engaging in casual hook ups
>worried about being pumped and dumped

LMFAOOOO

>>82158521 (OP)
idk but total extermination of submissive foids and or shit testers. they are useless in society. to the concentration camps they go

>>82163895
No, no, no. Moid, you don't understand! She's special unlike all the other girls!

>>82158521 (OP)
>why is it usually sexless men are the ones that are the most affectionate

you answered your own question, they dont like those men unless they are twinks and have a fetish around that. Otherwise the rest are deemed subhuman garbage with no worth in the eyes of these women. (unless she is a narcissist and wants one for convenience) women dont give a shit about emotional partners unless it benefits her. Otherwise she is a dead fish in the relationship that expects him to do everything. The very definition of parasites

>>82163952
wait really!?? she is?? I guess she is good at larping at being brooding and lonely o algo she has to be different simply because she can put on a different facade despite having the same behavioral patterns as every female ever!

Femdom is horrible for casual hook ups imo.

If you wanna have a proper femdom dynamic it needs a lot of trust, communication and mutual understanding.

Tbh I don't even understand how someone can truly sub to someone who they barely know anything about. It's a deep emotional experience and not something casual

>>82158521 (OP)
You know what particularly sucks? Being into femdom but living in conservative Balkan shithole.

>>82164422
its no different everywhere else, they are naturally submissive wether a culture enforces it or not. Feminists and progressives just reword men dominant and replaceable, women submissive and valuable just wording in a way that is isnt socially taboo. This is how retarded normgroids are. When you realize women all women are responsible for creating this system you will realize how much they manipulated us.

>>82161651
both are male and very masculine by swedish standards btw

>love assertive/dominant women
>hate being submissive
>love being dominant
>hate submissive women
What is wrong with me?

>>82164601
Assertive women aren't dominant in bed and you will learn to like her assertiveness.

>>82164601
Me too. Actually a woman a trying to emasculate me may looks pretty ridiculous. I realized that I just want a kind girl who help me to cope with my mommy issues and unsolved, romantic childhood traumas.

>>82164479
>tfw the whole world isnt like Sweden but rather a yehweh shit infested design of intentional dimorphism

>>82164734
a swedish world would be gay as fuck
I'd rather live in a world dominated by gayrabs or chinksectoids

>>82159889
Nah man, I want to be tied up and toyed with for hours. No orgasm allowed, just edged for hours until she gets bored and leaves me where I am, maybe using me as a footstool while she watches TV, my mouth an ashtray.

>>82158521 (OP)
Can't speak for others but it's a variety of things for me. Namely a cope mechanism for childhood traumas and having been into ABDL my entire life. But also simply from growing up as a porn addict with exposure to femdom themed hentai.

>>82164760
rather chinksectoids because they are fast and unhinged while gayrabs are slow and clunky and rely on body mass way too much. Either way the swede world or chinksectoids would be fun

>>82158521 (OP)

Archetype or kink wise?
The archetype is the bigger reason, or at least the more interesting one.
I think it can be broken down into a few categories:
Why do so many women like to call their bf daddy? (nothing wrong with that btw)
ALOT of incels were abused or neglected by their mother. We have lived in an environment where abusive menopausal women rule things. People say its because we live in a female environment but I dont think thats true, the type of women in charge hate pretty young women just as much as young men. But it feels illegal to be attracted to women. Femdom is almost a "safe horny" so to speak.

Alot of our fathers, genx and such, married either bad women or enabled them. I think there was a much higher degree of abuse, tbf it was also because that was when women started being expected to work as well as be mothers. Unfortunately, this often lead to mothers abusing the shit out of their kids. The guys i know who would be "incels" all had mothers who were drug addicts or who beat them as kids. I think the other side is there were helicopter mothers who have useless mommy boy sons, who are probably the other sector of femdom enjoyers.


I understand the abused side alot more than the other one since my mother beat me alot growing up and called me a rapist. The screaming was always far worse than the physical abuse, the emotional abuse was horrible. I learned to try and start hurting myself as much as possible to try and calm her down. would be shaking and would throwup due to the stress. I was also homeschooled so I was very very lonely. My entire life consisted of trying to avoid the screaming fests as much as possible. 1/??

>>82165190
Well, when I was doing a pseudo school program as I got older did a Model UN thing, im weirdly good at public speaking and I read alot so I was with kids 3-4 years older, I got assigned to this girl who was older than me. I ended up doing most of her home work and assignments for her, I was okay with this because she was nice to me, told me specificially I could look her in the eys when talking to her, and that she wasnt mad at me. My mother only had me look in her eyes when mad, usually I was banned from looking up or looking people in the eye. She was kind of goth/that dark aesthetic. But she would thank me for doing stuff and she definitely had dominant energy. It was never romantic or sexual between us, but that energy, I crave that energy. She would tease me and stuff id blush but I remember when we got an award she patted me on the head and im not going to lie I still daydream about that moment. Little bits of approval and treating me nicely, she probably doesnt remember me but ah well. I also remember once as a kid, I wasnt allowed haircuts, I would get my head buzzed by one of my parents and then it would be allowed to grow out for a long time. But once I had to go to something somewhat formal for a family member so I got to go to this hair cuttery place. My mother was very angry and was yelling at me right outside the place and was rude to staff, she ended up leaving me there while she went to the grocery store. I remember the girl who cut my hair seeing I was shaking a little and I think she saw my mother lose it outside, point is the hair cutter realized it, again was an alt or goth girl, im sorry I dont remember which one it was. But when I was nervous especially when I wasnt sure how to answer "how do you want your hair" she grabbed my shoulders when I was sitting at the barber chair and leaned down and whispered in my ear. "I promise you it will get better someday, you will escape." 2/??

>>82165305
I dont trust women like that, they seem manipulative. good thing im too mentally ill to connect with people anyway

>>82165305
Those moments of care, when I could feel the dominant energy, I think cemented into me the craving for that dominant archetype. Sadly also made me a walking talking stereotype with liking alt girls but ya know is what it is. For me the energy of a dominant woman is what I like the most, kinks and fetishes are great but the energy is what I care about, ill do whatever she wants, its the energy that matters to me.

On the Kink side?

Im sure the different kinks, whether it be collars or bondage or w/e all serve as psychological devices, wanting to be helpless ect, but I think also to a point, its porn. Alot of porn addicts, guys will get the craving for the archetype, and unable to fulfill that need, will find porn that fits that niche and you cant really show dominant "energy" on a video. Its something you feel when you interact with someone.


So alot of the femdom "kinks" I think are downstream of low self esteem combined with porn addiction. But the desire for femdom as an archetype. Thats a much bigger issue. I think the internet is just allowing people who were abused by their mother to open up. Where irl its almost impossible to talk about because well, people think its funny if your mother abused you.

Btw I know it sounds harsh, im not against kinks or fetishes, I just think alot of things like the feminization or other stuff comes from porn rather than an expression of desire for that dominant archetype.


I crave that dominant personality the energy around them. Its funny because im the boss, very in control of my life but I still have the same cravings. The few times in my life iv met women with that dominant energy, I feel extremely compelled to give them whatever they want, to make them happy.

>>82165381
Yeah I mean, she probably took advantage of me somewhat. But desu I dont mind being taken advantage of as long as someone is kind to me. What she gave me was worth a million times what I gave her. I was very suicidal and trust me, just having someone say thank you or smile at me, was huge, because I have always lived in a super cold enviroment, hard for me to read facial expressions due to not being able to look at peoples faces when young, it was considered disrespectful in my family. When women raise their voice I feel extremely panicked, iv been in fights and dont feel that way but idk man it fucks with me.

Having literally anyone pay attention to me while not being angry was the most amazing feeling and I wish I could feel that way again. Someone who would initiate basic affection like touching me on the arm or face, maybe even a hug, would be the most amazing thing.

Sorry that happened to you, anon.

Tho honestly I find it interesting how a lot of people who are in the bdsm community have some sort of trauma or similar that influences their tastes.

Meanwhile, I grew up with both (well-educated) parents in like 100% normal and casual household with no trauma or abuse or bullying or anything and yet turned out a 100% sub haha

>>82165530
Was your mother overbearing? like catering to you too much? IDK Man, it could also be just the general societal narrative around attraction nowadays, being submissive is more of a "safe horny" thing.

>>82165692
Not really. I knew kids whose parents were spoiling them much more. She was reasonably demanding. Like having to do good in school and occasionally help with chores but nothing too wild, it'd say just standard stuff.

As for societal narrative, I wasn't really exposed to it before like mid-high school. Living in Balkans and not having cable or unlimited WiFi until like start of high school really makes one isolated from all the crap on social media haha

The only think that comes to mind is that I have a bit of confidence issues around girls since I have always been on the chubbier side (110 kg at 6'2''), but I'd say that's a similar situation to most guys these days desu (in regards to confidence issues, I mean)

>>82158521 (OP)
i guess every time i've had any sort of intimacy with a woman was because she initiated it so its kinda like a self fulfilling cycle or whatever.

They're not really into femdom, they're into ways where apparently sex is easier to achieve.

That's also why they're "into" cuckolding and similar crap

>>82165530
My parents always forgave me to have a girlfriend when I was a teen--they cockblocked me--it's a fucking nonsense and even creepy. It was not one or two jokes, they said it for years. I seethe when I hear stories of people with normal parents who supported them in growing into functional adults, instead of holding them back. They brought me up terribly, now they wonder why I'm a fucking retarded NEET with social anxiety.
>>82165692
Yeah, my mom and aunts are very clingy. That's why I have a thing for older women, although I have never liked their behavior.

>>82166092
Is not because it is an easier way to get sex (Where did you even get this to start with? There're way less dominant women than sub women).
It's that girls teased and groped me at HS and that's just too hot.
I prefer that a lot to having women playing hard for the sake of it.
Or to put it simple I prefer honest and direct women

>>82158521 (OP)
I was molested by my older cousin when I was 10-15 years old. She always initiated. Now I can't get off unless a woman is dominating me or humiliating me for being an effeminate bitch

>>82158526
Most people into sph are average or above average. It's trauma and porn that make them get into sph. Guys with small dicks are more likely to find it infuriating
t. 7.5" dick but into sph and cuck porn.

>>82166092
Anon, being into femdom is playing dating on extra hard difficulty because like maybe 3-5% of women are actually sexually dominant.

Seems to me like being an incel is highly correlated with heaps of various types of shame which is also highly correlated with developing sub fantasies.
I think I'm also probably just bi with a complex around it given that forced bi is such a big thing for me in particular. Like just imagine she brings a guy over to fuck you. Midway through she just starts calling you slurs.

>>82166261
Yeah, this is probably part of it for me too. I used to blame a lot of my perversions on that but it's also not like it really matters. My brain is probably stuck this way at this point so I might as well make the most of it by not denying my urge to put things up my ass or watch deranged hypno videos.

>>82158521 (OP)
I was bullied by girls, female authority, and uh never was close to my mother since she was always working.

>>82166600
>Imagine she brings a guy over to fuck you
Nigga, you are a cuck and a faggot. Your uncle fucked you; We are not the same. Considering seeking for Jesus. Whatever, this is probably a false flag.

Might be some people are just born that way and are incels because it's not easy to find a dominant partner.

Like I became aware I was into stuff like that (started with feet and escalated from there) when I was like 13. Didn't get diddled or anything just it felt right when thinking about it.

Because femdom is based? I love eating pussy

>>82166332
That's a lie too, it's part of the I want to feel speshul package from incels. On the same avenue on how they're all supposedly smart.

>>82166154
This kind of larping illustrates my point exactly, their version of "femdom" it's basically a retarded noncon scenario where they get to have sex doing little to nothing.

It's not that sexually dominant women don't exist, it's that the kind of sexually dominant women they want is actually a girl they can harass and bother all the time, as usual no girl would like to put up with that crap. What they conceive as femdom is incompatible both with the definition of the term and with what any person, male or female, would conceive as an interesting relationship.

>>82159194
Accurate. Anytime you see a woman talking about how much she loves femdom it really translates to "I love findom." This is why dominatrix/OF girls are so obsessed with labeling prostitution as "work," because to them it really is soul crushing labor. The only time any will top a man sexually if she's genuinely attracted to him and the man requests it. But even then she'll eventually become disgusted with him or the relationship will become "open."

>>82164601
>>82164731
It's called being a brat.

As a femanon i wish all anons who replied to this thread died. The world would be a better place without passive feminine men.

>>82167096
Yeh porn kinda ruined the perceptions of bdsm. People think it's just noncon hateful bitches dressed in full body latex.

Whereas at its core (imo at least) being a submissive is an almost spiritual thing where you trust someone enough to give up control to them. And I assume it's similar for the other side too where they care for you enough to take that responsibility. It's not just getting pegged or spanked. It's a sort of very strong expression of trust and affection.

>>82167216
As if passive feminine women are any better

as a femanon i wish all anons who replied to this thread were tied up in my basement
the world would be a better place if all passive feminine men belonged to me

>>82167264
Now this is very based take on the other hand

>>82167264
>were tied up in my basement
Please do this. I want they all in a tranny basement and out of the street. Cant stand feminine straight men. Troon out or be a faggot. You are not a real men If you are submissive.

>>82167275
Being feminine is not the same as being submissives tho. It's desu just chronically online thing that most subs are femboys or some variation off. Irl most msubs are actually people you would never think they are subby because they look and act traditionally masculine outside the bedroom

>>82167096
It's not a scenario or larping. Women do stuff like that.
>Put up with that crap
The fuck are you talking about? How is this related to anything in my post at all?
There's no crap to put up. You basically mash up words without coherence.
>Interesting relationship
What a buzzword

>>82159560
source: a vague memory of a r9k comment

>>82167311
>Irl most msubs are actually people you would never think they are subby
I hope I never end up in the same room as a guy like this. They act like trannies even if its something hidden.

>>82167237
Yeah that thing requires a lot of talking first, most people here and online are clearly unwilling to entertain the idea, they just want the action so no wonder no girls are interested. What you want in that case is not even a relationship, is just sex work. Go to a sex worker then.

>>82167643
Why do you pretend that wanting a dominant woman is the same as openly demanding a woman to be sexual from the get go?
What kind of mental gymnastics are you playing to make such a leap?

>>82167458
dont worry, abuse chad will dump your body in a field somewhere before you have to face the inconvenience of realizing people have emotions.

>>82167667
It's not mental gymnastics is the daily case of them showing how these "subs" behave in their dms.

Case in point our retard larper at it again >>82167386 describing what is clearly porn addicted shit. What difference is between that scenario of getting groped and liking it and the spammers accusing women here all the time of liking rape because of a reddit post? none. It's just a gimme my fetish scenario thing, it has nothing to do with domination, submission, or anything resembling a relationship like you know, wanting to know a person before coming up with such a boring topic as your sexual preferences.

>>82167667
keep in mind they are a female, anything unattractive means he is exploiting me this includes men with emotions. otherwise violent one night stand chad is seen as the perfect long term partner to have a baby with and puts her trust in him so much. these creatures are strange when they think.

>>82167698
nice to know the the creature is projecting
>all they want is sex
>I know because I message so many guys at once

or, I know its crazy. but proving someone wrong rather than being a human stereotype (something that niggers do) and get upset you are being called out. Rather than blaming a ghost (niggers use socio economics and females use the patriarchy and porn industry and such) you could... show you are different. Something that niggers and foids do differently though is atleast there is some improvement on their behavior, and groups calling out their own people for acting a certain way. Foids... not so much, they larp and pretend and chimp out when pattern recognizers see through their facade.

>>82167667
I think the point is just that a lot of people who say they want a femdom gf don't actually want a femdom gf, they just are just horny and want to include that porn category in their sex on a shallow level. Which I mean nothing wrong with that, but they often miscommunicate it.

Whereas actual bdsm and femdom is something much deeper than just being tied up during sex.

>>82167749
dont bother explaining more to her, in one ear and out the other. she will loop muh porn n men horney until she gets tired of being in denial and cognatively dissasociates. from how stressed her mind is from dodging responsibility and communication. Let her believe what she wants, if she wants to believe emotional men = horney because I messaged alot of men. let her. she will be a single mom, and you wont.

>>82167775
I mean I certainly hope I won't be a single mom. A dick doesnn't seem wide enough to push a newborn through hahah.

But on a serious note, yeh I suppose some people will see the world as they want and any attempt at discusson is just seen as an attack.

>>82167698
First of all. That guy was me. I didn't make up a story or anything.
It's just that I prefer women who're openly into me.
Like the girls at HS were.
That can lead into a relationship (not always, some of those girls had quite the bad personality)
I'm not, at any point demanding women to do that.
Furthermore it would loss all the meaning if that was the case.
Also the whole noncon story is too much of a drama.
If I didn't want it I just stopped them.
Anyways I had two girlfriends after that that were pretty vanilla and I had no problem with that.
>>82167749
I want a sexually dominant gf. I don't want someone in the scene or to have a fetish lifestyle relationship.
It's not that hard.

>>82167814
you reminded me of that one skit where a man gave birth to a baby through his dick, still can't recover from that.

>
But on a serious note, yeh I suppose some people will see the world as they want and any attempt at discusson is just seen as an attack.

true, they fear the self reflection and confrontation of their own belief system so that sudden change of making them adapt to a more logical output would shatter their entire purpose, identity, and reason for self preservation. Comes to show women are no different from the men they project their behaviors onto.

>>82167749
It's something you even saw clearly in the gentle femdom threads or whatever.

>oh no I just want to please her, by pleasing her I mean I want her to sit on me and scratch me and me me me

Then it's time to blame women again, of course

>>82167922
Yeah people top from the bottom.

I mean obviously the sub must have the input as if its not mutually enjoyable no point in doing it, but it loses the purpose if you are directing the domme what and how to do.

>>82167922
yeah now you know why we hate you foids and get tired of you, because your entire gender is the same way. female centric relationship dynamics. and still you haven't used that to reflect on yourself. I thought foids were supposed to be the most emotionally intelligent introspective gender. apparently not

>>82167996
its kind of easy to direct them, just have stronger reactions to certain areas they touch and actions they do and hopefully they can pick up on what they want you to do. all about giving subtle cues. because the domme does want power but they also get satisfied with your reactions.

>>82168290
>Then it's time to blame women again, of course

>>82168461
>thinks an observation is an attack
as always. not surprising.

>>82168461
The problem is that for women is never time of blaming women for anything at all.

>>82158521 (OP)
Good question. Idk why but I find it incredibly hot. However, I'm only into femdom if there's love. Women who do it with actual hatred in their heart do not interest me.

>>82169108
you wont find any, all women hate vulnerable men

>>82169752
True yeah I've given up on that fantasy. Women who genuinely enjoy taking the lead don't exist, especially with vulnerable men as you said.

>>82159877
In fucking Latin America. You might as well be fucking imaginary to me. Ree.

>>82161717
>pegging is a male-centric fetish
My ex was obsessed with pegging me and gaping me. She wanted to dilate the fuck out of me.
Yeah ex I'm now dead inside

>>82169108
Love and hate are not opposites, disinterest is the opposite of both. So your femdom gf can hate and love you.

>>82169752
Untrue, I love taking virginities and pegging sissy men

>>82169966
>sissy men
why do you have to make it gay

>>82169966
Would you peg a virgin boy before letting him put his dick inside you? How humiliating.

what trying to figure out a girl wanted or felt good was pretty bizarre. if girls just had dicks atleast id know where to start

>>82160389
Pitiful worm, you use your hatred to target such puny prey! The Gods won't even spit in your direction, let alone bend to your puny will. Witness true power beyond your comprehension, the Master of the Fist will rend your soul ablaze and relinquish you from this reality.

DIE A THOUSAND DEATHS.

Relationship as a non chad will always turn into the guy being a dancing monkey. Paying pleasing courting putting in all the effort etc. And then the time comes where she thinks you are good enough. Finally you get sex. Of course by sex i mean she will lay there and you have to do all the work.

Can i finally stop doing the work part when i get my reward? It also kinda makes sense for chad to be dominant. He can at least do all the work since he gets the pussy for free.

I would like to be abused by and become a fembot's slave, please, as she plays her vidya or watches her seasonal /a/ slop

Can we stop bumping this faggot thread? As a femanon it makes me sad to see so many feminine/submissive men in the catalog

>>82171074
sucks to be you I guess. womp womp

>>82171093
Suck to be YOU. Imagine being a faggot as a straight men. You should kill yourself and all women would thank you for it.

>>82171074
Just because I want to be a stinky fembot's slave doesn't mean I'm feminine or a faggot

>>82171052
>as she plays her vidya or watches her seasonal /a/ slop
Feeling very attacked and desired right now how dare you

>>82171074
You wouldn't want any of us even if we were dominant.

>>82170412
YOUR HEARTBEAT. I WILL STOP IT.

>>82170412
you are a slave to honor, so I have no interest in dealing with you.. Just yet. Its a shame someone with your potential is blinded by their own dominance and power just to go after the farmer and not the cattle. a true slave to gaia. Haven't you figured it out yet? these puny targets merely warp and shift your sense of pride to do their bidding. almost pathetic if it wasn't the most humiliating thing ive seen you done to yourself. The farmer is merely a figure head that will be replaced in tending to the crops. The crops are the thing that keeps the system of supply and demand alive to breed new slaves that you all put yourselves in through meager desires. No devil is the beginner of evil as its ideas come from the very essence of being, itself. The devil was merely a pawn. As you are. I have no interest and killing you just yet, once creation ceases to continue, then we will fight to the death to let your anger out. Either way if I lose or win im already satisfied by what I have done. Ill see you around.

>>82169966
and I dont like that idea, only if the partner is interested and thats the idea of it is it not? despite not wanting to, you don't it to satisfy your partners needs and wants?

>>82171098
nah, ill stay alive despite wanting to kill myself. seeing you cuntoids seethe over our existence is enough to keep me alive.