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Anonymous No.82170819 >>82170839 >>82170845 >>82170870 >>82170898 >>82170930 >>82170933 >>82170934 >>82170944 >>82170959 >>82171075 >>82171102 >>82171137 >>82171296 >>82171343 >>82171550 >>82171577 >>82171595 >>82171658 >>82171876 >>82171925 >>82171936 >>82171956 >>82172214 >>82172311 >>82172479 >>82172602 >>82172655 >>82172663 >>82172690 >>82173604 >>82173634 >>82173882 >>82173976 >>82174232 >>82174481 >>82174504 >>82174993 >>82175171 >>82175896 >>82175966 >>82175991 >>82175996 >>82176111 >>82177012
What does /r9k/ think of abortion?
Should women be banned from murder?
Anonymous No.82170839 >>82170906 >>82171936 >>82172474 >>82172511 >>82173595 >>82174588 >>82176374
>>82170819 (OP)
Yes, abortions are eugenic. They prevent trashy people from breeding.
Anonymous No.82170845 >>82171691
>>82170819 (OP)
Mist of those abortions are performed on non whites
Anonymous No.82170870 >>82171311
>>82170819 (OP)
There should be more abortions. Also that fetus is not conscious, there are chicken and pigs with more consciousness and yet you have no problem eating and killing them
Anonymous No.82170898 >>82170928 >>82171845 >>82171936 >>82173605 >>82175515 >>82177286
>>82170819 (OP)
All women should have access to safe, affordable methods of birth control and abortion procedures. I won't tolerate counter-opinions from a bunch of fucking loser males who don't have relationships with women yet think the government should be able to tell them what they can and cannot do with their bodies.
Anonymous No.82170902
If it's early on I don't care
Anonymous No.82170906
>>82170839
FPBP. Thinking about how many unwanted people that will never be born and the countless resources and emissions saved because of it is amazing
Anonymous No.82170926 >>82170936 >>82171284 >>82171300 >>82177286
Why are men so fucking weird about abortion? I think they just hate that they can't control us and that we have a method to prevent them from linking them to us forever. You can't trick us into reproducing we have to actually WANT your baby. Sooooooo many men in the past reproduced only because women had no choice but to just carry it. Now we can go ew he was a good fuck but he'd be a terrible dad
>yeet
Anonymous No.82170928 >>82170929
>>82170898
A baby inside of you isn't your body.
Anonymous No.82170929 >>82170953 >>82170957 >>82173615
>>82170928
If it depends on me to live it's a part of my body and rent ain't free nigger
Anonymous No.82170930 >>82171460 >>82171490 >>82171936 >>82171953 >>82175632 >>82175708
>>82170819 (OP)
>be me
>be 14 year old girl
>have sex with boyfriend
>condom breaks
>i am pregnant
>can't abort
>nearly die during child birth
>single mother because father left
>parents abandon me because I am a mother at 15
>can't look after self or baby
>baby dies
>I die
Anonymous No.82170933
>>82170819 (OP)
I'm conflicted. On one hand, I think murdering babies is good. On the other, I don't want women to have rights.
Anonymous No.82170934 >>82176597
>>82170819 (OP)
I don't like kids, so I am pro abortion. The fewer of them, the better. I'm rich enough that I don't care about who will pay my nonexistent pension anyway. I'll just sustain myself. Fewer kids would also mean fewer consoomers and fewer wageslaves in the future. And less destruction of the environment.
I'd go a step further and mass sterilize most of Africa and India. We don't need their genetical faeces polluting the gene pool.
We are a fucking plague on this planet and more of us only helps the billionaires at the top. Kids make us poor and obedient, unlikely to protest or even quit an abusive job.
Anonymous No.82170936 >>82170939 >>82170943
>>82170926
>If it prevents me from suffering any consequence of my actions, I will commit murder
Foids, everyone.
Anonymous No.82170939 >>82170963 >>82171356
>>82170936
So you admit it's just making women "suffer consequences" for having sex. Hahahaha
Anonymous No.82170943
>>82170936
Spawncamping is a valid tactic
Anonymous No.82170944 >>82170954 >>82170970 >>82170972 >>82170977 >>82171026 >>82171377 >>82172769
>>82170819 (OP)
Murder.
It is objectively murder. All the retards trying to relativize a difference between in utero and out of utero human life, are just that, retards. It is objectively a human life, with a unique DNA sequence.

THEN you can argue about the validity of murder. But you have to acknowledge it is murder first.
Suffering, or the possibility thereof, is NOT a reason to deny life. Never has been.
>Eugenics
This is only ever proposed by dysgenic retards who hate themselves, projecting their self-hatred. In other words, it is not a rational proposal, but an irrational projection of their own inadequacy.
Eugenics has also many other things wrong with it, it's arbitrary, for example. And it's also a pseudoscience.
Anonymous No.82170953 >>82170975
>>82170929
A kid depends on you to live until they're 18, yet murdering your child as soon as it exists your stretched out roast beef pussy is generally frowned upon.
Anonymous No.82170954
>>82170944
>intellectualization
gay
Anonymous No.82170957
>>82170929
By that logic if an abortion depends on a doctor to shove knives up your pussy then he owns your body
Anonymous No.82170958
Sometimes I have dreams where "I didn't know I was pregnant", one time I took drugs to miscarry, another time I birthed the baby then killed it and buried it in the forest. That would be the perfect crime. Only women that really want to be mothers should do it. I encouraged a woman on /adv/ to get an abortion over a few days and she confirmed that she did it yesterday, proud of her
Anonymous No.82170959 >>82170969 >>82171392 >>82171405 >>82173639
>>82170819 (OP)
>planet with 9 billion people
>2 billion of which are "undernourished" (hungry)
>2 of them starved to death while you read this

>"We need more people. A rabbi who lives in the sky said so. Zygotes are more precious than you are."

There is no logical anti-abortion argument, it stems from fanaticism and devotion to invisible ghosts and wizards.
Anonymous No.82170963 >>82170965
>>82170939
Women choose to have sex and then get pregnant. Who could've seen this coming? Maybe the woman should abstain from sex unless she agrees to take on the risk of pregnancy with a man she may see as a poor paternal candidate.
Anonymous No.82170965
>>82170963
Why do that when she can just abort?
Anonymous No.82170969 >>82170992
>>82170959
>everyone is of equal value and should be protected.
>every life is sacred.
How is this fascism? Have you ever even read Gentile?
Anonymous No.82170970 >>82170991 >>82171001 >>82173628
>>82170944
Murder of sentience (which is what people really mean) depends on the sophistication of the nervous system and brain. It's not it is sentient or not, it's continuous, but it is obviously not sentient in any way at the start
Anonymous No.82170972 >>82171002
>>82170944
>psuedo science
>calls everything that makes him feel icky "murder"

I'm willing to bet you aren't so keen on actual science anyway.
Let me guess, there's a mystical rabbi who doesn't rely on science to use his magic powers. Right?
Anonymous No.82170975 >>82171007 >>82171016 >>82177301
>>82170953
Nah an infant birthed out of its mother could survive without her. A fetus cannot. Simple as. If you depend on my actual body to survive I am allowed to murder you. If I had a vampire friend that could only survive if he drank MY blood (mine is special he will die if he drinks other blood) would I be wrong for denying him? nahh
Anonymous No.82170976 >>82171404
> imagine being a semi conscious and being instakilled with a headshot
Damn sound like one of the best ways to go. Where can I sign up? My mother did indeed prefer to do powerpoints to raising me it was cruel of her to give me a chance at life. Now I have to actually suffer from my trauma rather than to simply not exist.
Anonymous No.82170977 >>82171012 >>82173632
>>82170944
>Eugenics is a psuedoscience
If not for abortion there's be 30 million more "urban youth" in America. Think about that.
Anonymous No.82170991 >>82171011 >>82171035 >>82177501
>>82170970
>Murder of sentience (which is what people really mean) depends on the sophistication of the nervous system and brain.
Yes, I know the argument. It's a retarded argument.
There is a unique DNA code, different from every other human and every other animal in the entire planet. That is a human life. "Sentience" does not make a human life, fuck, that is also retarded because sentience is derived from DNA, as this is what allows for its development. So, if a, necessarily leads to b, then a and b are the same fucking thing.
Anonymous No.82170992 >>82171031
>>82170969
>everyone is of equal value and should be protected.
So criminals and the deformed are of equal value to you? Do you support helping them? How much do you donate to help reform criminals each year?

>every life is sacred
So you must be strongly against the death penalty, war, and weapons designed to kill of any type. Life is woo-woo magical special and we must love everybody.

>How is this fascism?
Dunno. Didn't mention it. You tell me.
Anonymous No.82171001
>>82170970
So it's ok to kill a 1 year old?
Anonymous No.82171002 >>82171018
>>82170972
>>calls everything that makes him feel icky "murder"
Where did you get this from? What the fuck is wrong with you?
Anonymous No.82171007 >>82171014
>>82170975
>Nah an infant birthed out of its mother could survive without her
How?
Anonymous No.82171011 >>82171040
>>82170991
>Once you have any DNA at all you're a human
So do we give out driver's licenses to zygotes? Can a zygote own property? Why do you think they can't?
Anonymous No.82171012
>>82170977
Everyone always ignores the demographics of aborting somehow focusing on the women who actually take the pill or use condoms
Anonymous No.82171014 >>82171022
>>82171007
>this niggie has never heard of formula
Anonymous No.82171016 >>82171023 >>82171038 >>82171065 >>82171082
>>82170975
>compares children to a vampire
This is why nobody will ever take pro-death people seriously. A child's status doesn't depend on how you feel in the current moment about having children. It cannot simultaneously be a tragedy and the loss of a child when a women who wants a kid goes through a miscarriage, but also just a parasitic clump of cells when you don't want it.
Anonymous No.82171018 >>82171048 >>82173665 >>82177501
>>82171002
If I crack an egg in the skillet for breakfast, did I "murder" a chicken?
Anonymous No.82171020
I think they're necessary but I will absolutely judge people for getting one because they were too lazy to use birth control.
Also some people are really for it and that sets off alarm bells in my head.
I suspect most people have this boring, middle of the road approach.
Anonymous No.82171022 >>82171043
>>82171014
So the infant walks to the shop and buys itself formula?
Anonymous No.82171023 >>82171045
>>82171016
It's a wackier version of the violinist thought experiment from Judith Thomson's Defense of Abortion. I know you have never read that though
Anonymous No.82171026
>>82170944
> Suffering, or the possibility thereof, is NOT a reason to deny life. Never has been.
Always have been. Someone causing others suffering have always, 100% of times humanity existed, been a valid reason to murder. Westcucks just outsource their inborn right to murder to police and army. But they kill for exactly same reason. Hell most of the reasons why usa joined any wars are exactly same moral considerations that lead mother to abort a baby. So amerimutts ought to just accept universal abortions, lest they be hypocrites.
Anonymous No.82171031 >>82171071 >>82171073
>>82170992
>So criminals and the deformed are of equal value to you? Do you support helping them? How much do you donate to help reform criminals each year?
Yes, they are of equal value.
Criminals are only receiving punishment for their own, freely taken decisions. That is not a moral contradiction at all.
The deformed are of equal value, yes. This isn't a counterargument lmao.
>war
Yes, it sucks.
>weapons
They are necessary given the nature of humans, but yeah they're existence, in principle, is dangerous. I would still own a gun, as I mentioned previously, it is necessary.
>we must love everybody
Lmao you are so resentful and mad, I never said this.
The equal value of human life is the most rational and useful starting point for life in a society.
>didn't mention it
Fair enough, I misread
Anonymous No.82171033
If a woman isn't pregnant constantly, why isn't it murder? In the case of a woman aborting a child and in the case of a woman not having reproductive sex the end result remains the same, so if abortion is murder then shouldn't not being in a human breeding farm and being constantly pregnant also consecutive murder for each nine month segment?
Anonymous No.82171035 >>82171073
>>82170991
And? Uniqueness is a trivial property in DNA.

>Sentience is derived from DNA
All sentience has DNA but not vice versa. Protecting "unique DNA" is astoundingly retarded.
Anonymous No.82171038 >>82171064
>>82171016
>wants.. don't want
Actually that's the whole basis for everything. If you want a person in your house, he's your guest. If you don't want a person in your house, he's an intruder.

Can you understand that difference? When a stranger is standing in your living room at 3 AM, do you offer to make him a sandwich? Why not? He's a precious human being, the most precious thing in the universe times a million. That's weird. Huh, it's almost like what you want matters.
Anonymous No.82171040
>>82171011
>So do we give out driver's licenses to zygotes?
Why are you retarded? Do you give drjver licenses to 1 year old babies? One does not invalidate the other. What the fuck are you talking about?
Anonymous No.82171043 >>82171076
>>82171022
At that point it is a ward of the state and is getting it purchased for them. Not sure why you don't get how a birthed infant is different than one literally living inside you. Are you intellectually disabled?
Anonymous No.82171044 >>82171049
*Ahem*

If you'd don't want a child, there is a very, VERY simple solution.

Don't have sex. It's that fuckin easy. I haven't had sex in four years. It is literally easier to not have sex than it is to have sex.

Sex equals babies. You do not deserve the right to kill your own child because you are too stupid to stop fucking strangers.
Anonymous No.82171045 >>82171087
>>82171023
Of course I've heard of this half-baked argument before. Its premise entirely relies on considering the child inside of you a parasite, which is a gross and disgusting mindset which perfectly encapsulates your entire thought process. Not to mention that the argument is faulty in the first place because you're comparing randomly being attached to a person you have no relation to, to a child that you brought into existence with your actions, thus making their care your responsibility.
Anonymous No.82171048 >>82171123
>>82171018
Yeah. Eating meat does require the murder of animals. I don't know where you think you are going.
I love eating meat, and I do so with the knowledge that it used to be a walking animal. The lion will eat the zebra, we need meat. The consumption of meat is not wrong, the cruelty used in processing farms is.
Anonymous No.82171049 >>82171053 >>82171115 >>82171416 >>82173670
>>82171044
Mmm I actually do have the right though my state says it's okey dokey. Maybe men should produce less sperm and stop being so sexy if they don't want their babies killed.
Anonymous No.82171053 >>82171115
>>82171049
Yknow I'd go even further and say if you bust inside a woman that hasn't 1000% consented to carry your baby you are literally sending your kid to the gas chambers. Kinda demented of men to do that.
Anonymous No.82171064 >>82171067 >>82171085
>>82171038
If you invite a person into your house, then you can't up and decide that they're an intruder actually.
Anonymous No.82171065
>>82171016
> It cannot simultaneously be a tragedy and the loss of a child when a women who wants a kid goes through a miscarriage, but also just a parasitic clump of cells when you don't want it.
It can because essence of a "child" and personhood is in social interaction. If you are made to act like a dog and treated by everyone like a dog, you become functionally a dog. It does not matter if you arent one biologically. Humans live life through semantics not science. The concept of puberty and teenager did not exist until last 200 hundred years - even though it is biologically discernable. So what of it?
Anonymous No.82171067
>>82171064
It'd be more like you left the door unlocked and some people broke in. They go ayooo nigga it's fine I'mma eat up your food and piss on the couch because the door was unlocked so I'm allowed
Anonymous No.82171071 >>82171103
>>82171031
>freely taken decisions
Pure nonsense. Fiction. Free will is a fantasy for ghost-talkers.

That criminal was going to do what he did the day his parents' precious DNA unzipped and recombined into a zygote. The punishment is an arbitrary decision because in your low IQ mind you think he deserves to suffer as some kind of magic justice from the sky.

>They are necessary given the nature of humans
What? The precious, precious humans we must cherish aren't nice? How can that be?
Surely if we can't vacuum out a cluster of cells, shooting a hole in a fully formed precious, precious human must be akin to madness.
Anonymous No.82171073
>>82171035
>Uniqueness is a trivial property in DNA
Not at all, as it signals to its irreplaceable character.
>All sentience has DNA but not vice versa. Protecting "unique DNA" is astoundingly retarded.
Yes. Because sentience is not what is valued. It is human life, which is defined by the unique DNA sequence.
>>82171031
I forgot to address death penalty.
The law is not the arbiter of morality, the law should follow morality, but it should also be utilitarian. The death penalty is also a consequence of actions taken freely by the accused, and in consideration of the safety and functioning of the broader society.
The death penalty is punishment. An unborn baby is guilty of no crime, thus the comparison utterly asinine.
Anonymous No.82171075 >>82171091
>>82170819 (OP)
This is the song for Baby Birch
Though I will never know you
And at the back of what we've done
There is the knowledge of you
Well, I wish we could take every path
Could spend a hundred years adoring you
Yes, I wish we could take every path 'cause you know
I hated to close the door on you
Do you remember staring up at the stars?
So far away in their bullet-proof cars
When we heard the rushing, slow intake
Of the dark, dark water and the engine brakes
And I said how about them engine brakes?
And if I should die before I wake
Will you keep an eye on baby birch?
Because I'd hate to see her make the same mistake
When it was dark I called and you came
When it was dark I saw shapes
When I see stars I feel your hand
And I see stars and I reel again
Well mercy me, I'll be goddamned
It's been a long, long time since I last saw you
And I have never known the plan
It's been a long, long, time
How are you?
Your eyes are green, your hair is gold
Your hair is black, your eyes are blue
I closed the ranks and I doubled back
But you know I hated to close the doggone door on you
We take a walk along the dirty lake
Hear the goose cussing at me over her eggs
You poor little cousin, I don't want your dregs
A little baby fussing over my legs
There is a blacksmith and there is a shepherd and there is a butcher boy
And there is a barber who's cutting and cutting away at my only joy
I saw a rabbit as slick as a knife and as pale as a candlestick
And I had thought it'd be harder to do but I caught her and skinned her quick, held her there
Kicking and mewling upended unspooling unsung and blue
Told her wherever you go little runaway bunny I will find you
And then she ran
As they're liable to do
Be at peace baby, and be gone
Be at peace baby, and be gone
Anonymous No.82171076 >>82171084
>>82171043
Because your argument makes no sense. A week year old baby can't take care of itself but that's not a good reason to murder it in cold blood.
Anonymous No.82171082 >>82171091
>>82171016
On this bald hill the new year hones its edge.
Faceless and pale as china
The round sky goes on minding its business.
Your absence is inconspicuous;
Nobody can tell what I lack.

Gulls have threaded the river's mud bed back
To this crest of grass. Inland, they argue,
Settling and stirring like blown paper
Or the hands of an invalid. The wan
Sun manages to strike such tin glints

From the linked ponds that my eyes wince
And brim; the city melts like sugar.
A crocodile of small girls
Knotting and stopping, ill-assorted, in blue uniforms,
Opens to swallow me. I'm a stone, a stick,

One child drops a barrette of pink plastic;
None of them seem to notice.
Their shrill, gravelly gossip's funneled off.
Now silence after silence offers itself.
The wind stops my breath like a bandage.

Southward, over Kentish Town, an ashen smudge
Swaddles roof and tree.
It could be a snowfield or a cloudbank.
I suppose it's pointless to think of you at all.
Already your doll grip lets go.

The tumulus, even at noon, guards its black shadow:
You know me less constant,
Ghost of a leaf, ghost of a bird.
I circle the writhen trees. I am too happy.
These faithful dark-boughed cypresses

Brood, rooted in their heaped losses.
Your cry fades like the cry of a gnat.
I lose sight of you on your blind journey,
While the heath grass glitters and the spindling rivulets
Unspool and spend themselves. My mind runs with them,

Pooling in heel-prints, fumbling pebble and stem.
The day empties its images
Like a cup or a room. The moon's crook whitens,
Thin as the skin seaming a scar.
Now, on the nursery wall,

The blue night plants, the little pale blue hill
In your sister's birthday picture start to glow.
The orange pompons, the Egyptian papyrus
Light up. Each rabbit-eared
Blue shrub behind the glass

Exhales an indigo nimbus,
A sort of cellophane balloon.
The old dregs, the old difficulties take me to wife.
Gulls stiffen to their chill vigil in the drafty half-light;
I enter the lit house.
Anonymous No.82171084 >>82171108
>>82171076
If it depends on me to live and is making me risk my life to keep it alive that's a very, very, very selfish ask. If I don't want to do that I'm not gonna.
Anonymous No.82171085
>>82171064
>invites me in for tea
>"Yo, nigga. This is my house now, bitch. Wipe my ass, nigga or Imma cut yo fingers off."

You invited me in, so it's official, I'm your honored guest forever.
Anonymous No.82171087 >>82172210 >>82173657 >>82173689
>>82171045
> considering
Fetus is a parasite by biological definition of this word by the way. An organism dependent on its host to survive that does not provide host with any symbiotic benefits. Irregardless of whatever you think of it.
The vampire analogy is very straight to point by the way. I am not that anon, but baby as well, connects directly to your bloodflow to steal nutrients from there. Human fetus is the closest irl analogue of vampire kek. Other mammalian fetuses dont do it this way.
Anonymous No.82171091 >>82171099
>>82171082
>>82171075
Some nigga with a manbun wrote this with one hand jerking himself off with the other
Anonymous No.82171099 >>82171111
>>82171091
It was me. Also manbuns haven't been a good insult for hipster fags since the mid 2010s retardo
Anonymous No.82171102
>>82170819 (OP)
The only thing I really care about in the abortion debate, is that abortions that occur past the 20th week of gestation should only be legal in the cases where fetus is deformed to the point it's impossible for it to be conscious (like it doesn't have a brain or something), that the fetus is deformed to the point that it will not survive for long, or that the pregnancy poses a direct very probable threat to the mother's life. I don't care about the rest. You can ban all of it or allow all of it in all other cases, I don't care. I don't want the murder of children to be legal.
Anonymous No.82171103 >>82171186
>>82171071
>What? The precious, precious humans we must cherish aren't nice? How can that be?
You are painting an erroneous picture. You try to make me sound naive, but this is not something I have ever said. You are accusing me of delusions while at the same time literally inventing a scenario that hasn't happened. The definition of projection lmao

>the decisions of an individual are determjned the second their DNA is formed
Lmao this is incredibly retarded and unsupported by all the scientific evidence.
The fact that temperament has a genetic component does not mean that all the particular actions or thought-processess of a human are predetermined.
The argument against free will exists, however, you make a terrible representation of it.
Anonymous No.82171108 >>82171120
>>82171084
Then don't have sex. The existence of the baby is your doing, directly. That is why you are responsible for it.
Anonymous No.82171111
>>82171099
Kek struck a nerve
Anonymous No.82171115
>>82171053
>>82171049
I think any couple that decides to abort should be killed, the mother and father both.

Exceptions granted only in the case of violent rape, clinically dead fetus, extreme natal defect, and there the baby would kill the mother upon delivery. Using abortion as a secondary birth control is retarded
Anonymous No.82171120 >>82171131 >>82171140 >>82171180 >>82171777
>>82171108
I'll literally just have an abortion I love raw sex and hate babies, simple as. I would be open to pregnancy if I could ensure the baby was a female but since you can't that's a no go for me, ever.
Anonymous No.82171123 >>82171160 >>82171163 >>82171218
>>82171048
>The consumption of meat is not wrong
Then I should be able to buy aborted fetuses and chomp into them and let the juices dribble down my chin. Ah, precious meat gifted to me from the great rabbi in the sky. Oh wait, the DNA has a few strands different from a chicken so it's bad because reasons. The magic DNA means some meat is bad.
Anonymous No.82171127
White women should only be allowed to abort white. Half Latino fetuses deserve a protected status.
Anonymous No.82171131 >>82171135
>>82171120
>I'll literally just kill people, I love eating people and hate going to jail for it, simple as
You lack the ability to have personal responsibility for anything, wear a rubber
Anonymous No.82171135 >>82171144 >>82171163
>>82171131
>wear a rubber
No, plus my bf is so thick even magnums are uncomfy for him. I prefer it raw and he has great pullout game. Abortion is a risk I am willing to take
Anonymous No.82171137 >>82171157 >>82171161
>>82170819 (OP)
If the baby is white, yes. Sex before marriage should also be illegal with a severe punishment if broken.
Anonymous No.82171140
>>82171120
No, you won't. You will be a breeder in the new world order
Anonymous No.82171144 >>82171159
>>82171135
lol, you're clearly a gay dude larping because your life is so sad that you need to get attention from people online.
Anonymous No.82171157
>>82171137
>t. indian who thinks he's white
Anonymous No.82171159 >>82171195
>>82171144
Yeah yeah I'm used to my hot takes getting me called a tranny but gay dude is new
IWNHAB (I will never have a baby)
Anonymous No.82171160 >>82171236
>>82171123
>The magic DNA means some meat is bad.
Yes.
Cannibalism has not been absent from human history, though. It has been practiced in many places and cultures, most of them were erradicated and/or lost due to being unsustainable. It is also a common line of development that, as cultures become more civilized, such practices are abandoned. This isn't something that is only seen in Christianity, but many other independent cultures, for example, the Inca were in the process of erradicating human sacrifice, although they weren't cannibals, the point is that there is convergence in cultural development in certain aspects.
>then I should be allowed to
If abortion is not legal, then you can't have access to aborted fetuses. You aren't very good at following logic, anon.

Consumption of human meat is also linked to many genetic alterations and diseases, it is overall not a safe practice.
Anonymous No.82171161 >>82171166
>>82171137
Agreed but only for black males. If black males touch a woman before marriage they should be sent to the fields to pick cotton. And if they wont pick, just hang them as a hobby. Imagine how cool that would be to have niggers strung up down Main Street.
Anonymous No.82171163 >>82171168
>>82171123
>>82171135
Lmao trying to be an edgelord on 4chan. Holy fuck you should post two girls one cup next!
Anonymous No.82171166
>>82171161
>t. self hating nigga
Anonymous No.82171168
>>82171163
First day here sport you haven't seen edgy yet
>runs blade along my tongue and smirks at you
heh
Anonymous No.82171176 >>82171193 >>82171204
You know whats funny about this whole idea.
Is that we are even arguing about it.
Lets say in the whole world only your family exists. And mama and papa just meh we dont want another kid, lets scrap it. There will be no one to judge them or care about this shit.
But if it was one's living mother, brother or aunt that is somehow killed everyone in tribe would care and smash the murderer dead with a stone.
Legit infanticide was a socially acceptable form of birth control across asia for the longest time. And a more covert infanticide is happening in modern day Africa to this day - it is normal in many african countries to refuse to feed your kid after weaning it off the tit. So at 1.5-3 years of age children are expected to scavenge for their food on their own like stray dogs. This is the main reason for huge child mortality and malnutrition in africa btw, if adults shared food with kids it would instantly decrease because they do have plenty of food, there is food everywhere in africa. I dont even want to mention all the paganic rituals for murdering children that were omnipresent in the world before modernity.

So a tldr is that barring some autists, most of humanity naturally gravitates towards not giving a shit about babies and not considering them a valid part of "humanity". Its is not murder because no one cares if it dies.
Caring about fetuses on top of all of that, is completely unnatural christianity induced hysteria, so a form of mental illness. But of course that is not really it. Its not about fetuses or babies at all, all of it is just rhetorics for pressure on women and general pressure for peasants to produce new taxpayers. Now the people that genuinely believe the whole murdering babies thing are indeed just mentally ill.
Anonymous No.82171180
>>82171120
This isn't a rational argument. What you want is completely irrelevant if it goes against logic.
And the unwillingness to take responsibility for your actions is also retarded.

Overall, your opinion doesn't matter, nobody cares and nobody ever will.
You only really show that you have an awful character here, nothing else.
Anonymous No.82171184 >>82171194 >>82171200
I'm pro-abortion because I should have been aborted.
Anonymous No.82171186 >>82171232
>>82171103
>but this is not something I have ever said.
You constantly say it by implying how awful abortion is. If people are precious when they're an inch tall, they're precious all the time. You don't get to arbitrarily decide when a person is ideal or not. A human is a human. Actually that's (supposed to be) your argument.

>inventing a scenario that hasn't happened
Hypotheticals. Scenarios happen all the time and are useful to imagine yourself in one for the sake of argument.

>unsupported by all the scientific evidence
Show me all the evidence from neurologists and behavioral scientists that supports free will. Right.

>actions or thought-processess of a human are predetermined
The universe was predetermined the moment it was put into motion. Everything happened the way it happened because of the 13 billion years that preceded it. If life had started just slightly differently we could all be octopi slithering on the ocean floor right now or traveling across the galaxy not having dumb arguments on hentai boards.
Anonymous No.82171193
>>82171176
You are too enlightened for this thread and board. I think I saw you post about the african babies thing a couple weeks ago, that shit is fucked up. You made me remember the african witchcraft rituals where they would stand on babies' heads to cure illnesses. They really view babies differently over there
Anonymous No.82171194
>>82171184
Thats not true. Your names in shnieders notebook as one of his valued tax cattle.
Anonymous No.82171195 >>82171199
>>82171159
Oh you're one of those handmaiden tale chicks who think every guy wants to fuck you lmao. Probably an ugly fat cunt too
Anonymous No.82171199
>>82171195
Never watched that show because it's weird creepy porn and about pregnancy which I hate. I'm a beautiful skinny genius and my bf mogs tf outta you
Anonymous No.82171200
>>82171184
You can just kill yourself instead of being a pussy and fighting for it to be legal to kill other people
Anonymous No.82171204 >>82171366
>>82171176
>Pajeets and niggers love killing their kids so you should too!
Very convincing
Anonymous No.82171212 >>82171216 >>82171222 >>82171233 >>82171254 >>82173752
>ITT: a bunch of men expressing radical opinions about something that doesn't even affect them
>They don't even consider how women feel about the subject even though they are the focus of discussion
Anonymous No.82171216 >>82171231
>>82171212
Sorry but brownoids don't care what women think
Anonymous No.82171218 >>82171226
>>82171123
You can do it in china. Though there is a bit of queque for the delicacy of abortion soup.
Anonymous No.82171222
>>82171212
>But muh murderers feelings
Anonymous No.82171226 >>82171242
>>82171218
I'd honestly rather eat pig hoof stew who tf wants to eat a dead baby unless you have some sort of cannibal fetish? I heard human tastes like pork but it's probably just disgusting and gooey
Anonymous No.82171231 >>82171238 >>82171253
>>82171216
It's not a brownoid-exclusive problem, you racist. It's a male problem. You people treat them like such "others" when you they're your own fucking mothers and sisters and you barely interact with them in a social setting anyway. How disgusting. How shortsighted. How pathetic. Speaking of unborn children and wives as if they were property.
Anonymous No.82171232 >>82171336
>>82171186
>You constantly say it by implying how awful abortion is. If people are precious when they're an inch tall, they're precious all the time. You don't get to arbitrarily decide when a person is ideal or not
Yes. But I haven't appealed to God or to any notion of arbitrary judgement that I can't justify. Yet, you keep acting like I have, that is the delusion.
>hypotheticals
This isn't what I was referring to, at all. What kind of diversion is this? Are you legitimately retarded?
>Show me all the evidence from neurologists and behavioral scientists that supports free will. Right.
Absolutely none supports the idea that DNA drives all behaviors. By the simple fact that contradictions to your own survival are commonplace, it is clear that DNA is not all there is in the mix. Sacrifice of short-term gain in favor of long term gain is also something unique to humans, and not found in the DNA of other species, and something humans have to learn, as our reward systems are perfectly capable of functioning on the short-term only.
>The universe was predetermined the moment it was put into motion
It sounds like you are appealing to something akin to God WAY more than I do. Once again, your accusations are just projection. Lmao
This is also an unfalsifiable claim, so completely worthless. Also unsupported, by the existence of randomness and the fact that it's impossible to predict the future.
Anonymous No.82171233 >>82171247
>>82171212
>>ITT: a bunch of men expressing radical opinions about something that doesn't even affect them
So it's unreasonable for me to be against a modern holocaust, because I'm not the one being slaughtered, and I don't know any of the victims?
>>They don't even consider how women feel about the subject even though they are the focus of discussion
Won't someone please think about the poor SS officers! They just wanted what was best for their country :(((
Anonymous No.82171236 >>82171240 >>82171286
>>82171160
>doesn't refute the notion
>gives me the abridged history of cannibalism instead

That's cool, I guess.

The point was if you can slaughter living animals because they're yummy, why do you have a special no-no rule for harming blobs of stem cells that given time might become a human (who could be a meanie criminal)?

If I put the fetuses of 10 different mammals in front of you at the six week stage, could you tell me which one is the human? So then are they all special or do you have to call a geneticist and test their DNA first to find out which is the special one?
Anonymous No.82171238
>>82171231
>It's not a brownoid-exclusive problem, you racist
Ever looked at abortion statistics?
Anonymous No.82171240
>>82171236
Do you really think a chicken is the same thing as a human?
Anonymous No.82171242 >>82171250
>>82171226
"During a famine induced by the fighting between the Jin and the Song dynasty in the 12th century, little children were praised for their "superior tastiness" and sold whole to those who wanted to prepare and serve them like suckling pigs or steamed whole lambs. Like the sale of human flesh at inns, such customs indicate that the consumption of such flesh also had a culinary side, even in times of famine.[63][64]"

Aside from that there is probably some medical belief about it such as fetal soup giving you strong sperm and 24 hour erection
Anonymous No.82171247 >>82171279
>>82171233
>muh germans bad
Post hand
Anonymous No.82171250
>>82171242
>men eating dead babies for their cocks
Thanks for another blackpill
Anonymous No.82171253 >>82171272
>>82171231
Women are fucking stupid, why should we show you respect
Anonymous No.82171254
>>82171212
Why are you acting like only men are pro life?
Anonymous No.82171268
absolutely not, the less filth they produce the better. Most of these women arent meant to reproduce.
Anonymous No.82171272 >>82171314
>>82171253
Even monkes have more respect for women than brownoids do
Anonymous No.82171279 >>82171290
>>82171247
>poltard reading comprehension.
Nobody was talking about "germans", retard.
Anonymous No.82171284
>>82170926
It's satanic
Anonymous No.82171286 >>82171391
>>82171236
>geneticist and test their DNA first to find out which is the special one?
This one, in a vacuum, of course.
Irl, you can easily tell which one is human and which one isn't, given context clues.
And even if you put forth the scenario of me being given 2 pieces of meat and not being able to tell the difference visually, this doesn't refute anything. It is widely understood that human senses are imperfect.
Just because I can't see oxygen, it doesn't mean it's not there.

You keep putting forth extremely retarded scenarios. I want you to know how fucking retarded you sound.

>doesn't refute the notion
What notion? That you should be allowed to eat humans? The argument was that, as human cultures develop, they seem to converge on the erradication of such practices, thus would indicate that this practice is particularly antithetical to civilizational development, therefore you shouldn't be allowed to perform it in a developed society.
There are tribes in africa who eat their own, same in the Amazon, you can go there if you want.
Anonymous No.82171290 >>82171315
>>82171279
Get your metaphors right saaaar
Anonymous No.82171296
>>82170819 (OP)
I don't want them to be illegal but it should still be a saddening event. The women that happily brag about it are evil.
Anonymous No.82171300 >>82171312
>>82170926
>Why are men so fucking weird about abortion?
Many men are pro-abortion. Many women are against abortion. If you think abortion is murder, then it's unreasonable for you to be reasonable about it..
Anonymous No.82171311
>>82170870
Truth, this is why I'm also fine with killing newborn infants and think any and all "animal welfare" laws about not being allowed to torture animals to death are hypocrite.

So long as it be legal to keep pigs in ridiculously inhumane conditions to provide for some sausages, really anything should be fair game.
Anonymous No.82171312 >>82171320 >>82171338
>>82171300
Next time you wanna make such a milquetoast post just keep it to yourself. I'd cheat on you
Anonymous No.82171314 >>82171351
>>82171272
>pajeets rape children so you have to respect women
It's not that deep
Anonymous No.82171315 >>82171334
>>82171290
Does it hurt to have IQ this low?
Anonymous No.82171320
>>82171312
based uppity skank
Anonymous No.82171334 >>82171362
>>82171315
Do you even pooo in da looo?
Anonymous No.82171336 >>82171367
>>82171232
>But I haven't appealed to God or to any notion of arbitrary judgement that I can't justify
I know where your argument comes from. I've heard it 1000 times before on the internet and it is 100% fantasy fueled by a rabbi and his father.

>Short story about DNA
Not evidence. Not anything. Babble.

>randomness
Only from our point of view. With enough data (I'm talking down to the atomic level) anything could be predicted with high accuracy. No we don't have access to that level of information, but in theory it is completely possible to predict outcomes of seemingly random events.

No, I can't prove predetermination with the data in front of me and I don't really care to, I'm not a chaos theory scientist. Can we go back to the abortion thing?
Anonymous No.82171338 >>82171359
>>82171312
What I said is exactly true. You may not like it, but for many people abortion is murder. So logically, what's happening today in their eyes is a holocaust the likes of which the world has never seen. And you're bewildered by why such a person might have strong feelings about it? Do you lack theory of mind?
Anonymous No.82171343
>>82170819 (OP)
It's wrong and evil, but why should I care? I wouldn't involve myself with women like that
Anonymous No.82171351
>>82171314
>admitting being spiritually a jeet
Post your stinky hand
Anonymous No.82171356 >>82171369
>>82170939
Yes
It's biology, extremely simple biology, elementary school level. Sex results in children, if you don't want it then don't have sex

Some people pretend to be retarded, there's no other way
Anonymous No.82171359 >>82171383
>>82171338
You sound hysterical
Anonymous No.82171362 >>82171374
>>82171334
>appeal to jeetium when losing
I accept your concession.
Anonymous No.82171366
>>82171204
I was actually talking about mudslimes, chinese and japanese under "asia" category.
I have not met any mentions of infanticide in jeet literature. Probably because by hinduistic philosophy everything bad that happens to anyone is just their dharma so you need to shut up and tolerate. And if its your child who is to suffer, he also ought to just shut up and take your abuse.
So you are closer to jeets than you want to believe.
Anonymous No.82171367
>>82171336
>Only from our point of view. With enough data (I'm talking down to the atomic level) anything could be predicted with high accuracy
We literally can't. There's a whole concept in physics about this, called "the uncertainty principle". We also don't know what makes the wave function collapse.
>Can we go back to the abortion thing?
You are the one who brought it up, as itnis necessary to your point. My point was made and it still stands.
Anonymous No.82171369 >>82171382 >>82171437
>>82171356
Then we go get an abortion if we end up pregnant it's really not a big deal
Wahhh I went mudding and my car is dirty better never wash it
That's you
Anonymous No.82171373 >>82171411
I'm pro-choice but you're still killing someone. Muh clump of cells is cope. It's still a tragic event.
Anonymous No.82171374
>>82171362
Yes how's life in mumbai?
Anonymous No.82171377
>>82170944
Yeah
I don't care about it, but it's murder. If you can't admit that you're retarded regardless if you support or is against it
>le religion
It's a FACT, I'm not even religious. Those people love to dodge accountability
Anonymous No.82171382 >>82171413
>>82171369
>I drove through mud and now my car is dirty. Better blow it up with explosives!
That's you
Anonymous No.82171383
>>82171359
You sound brain-dead. How has it not even occurred to you to try to look at something from someone else's point of view, instead of immediately jumping to making shit up? It's so strange to me. How do you people even function outside of your social media bubbles?
Anonymous No.82171391 >>82171429
>>82171286
>Irl, you can easily tell which one is human and which one isn't, given context clues
Context clues? Like the way it lies motionless on a tray gives it away? I'm baffled by what the fuck that means.

Just answer the god damned questions as they're presented. Christ.

You type around every single question. Answering something completely different, and then pause mid way to call me retarded or give a short lesson about something you vaguely understand and/or just Googled. Whatever. It's late.
Anonymous No.82171392
>>82170959
Okay, anon. Go to those starving people and offer to shot their head, let's see what they say kek
People want to live, simple as that. Morally speaking no one has the right to decide it. You can do it, but at least admit that what you're doing is selfish, unless you aren't intelligent enough to notice your own contradiction
Anonymous No.82171404
>>82170976
See, this why I laugh at abortion fags
In reality they're all bitter suicide fags that don't have the guts to kill themselves. What utter ridiculous existence. Even a zygote is more precious than them
Anonymous No.82171405
>>82170959
Black people being too retarded to grow food is separate argument
Anonymous No.82171411
>>82171373
Tragic for whom?
The mom is happy.
The child cannot form emotions of mourning at this stage.
Dad is presumably absent.

Who exactly is sad here? Elon Musk?
Anonymous No.82171413 >>82171426
>>82171382
Nah the car is my body the infant would be a dead cat in the engine nigger
Anonymous No.82171416 >>82171420 >>82171427 >>82171466
>>82171049
>le government daddy says it's right so it's right
Women indeed are the state babies. If the state disappear women would die just like fetus die without his mother
Anonymous No.82171420
>>82171416
I knew as soon as I typed that some fag would get mad at me for the appeal to law ignoring the rest of my post
Anonymous No.82171426 >>82171448
>>82171413
Why is there a dead cat in your engine?
Anonymous No.82171427 >>82171449 >>82171456
>>82171416
Well then make the state say that it's not right, and logically they should agree, since they get their morality from what their state says is legal or not.
Anonymous No.82171429
>>82171391
>Just answer the god damned questions as they're presented. Christ.
I did. I said you needed a geneticist, as your senses are insufficient.
>You type around every single question. Answering something completely different, and then pause mid way to call me retarded or give a short lesson about something you vaguely understand and/or just Googled. Whatever. It's late.
Do you understand the concept of a leading question? All your "questions" are a shallow gotcha attempt. You make up scenarios that, although hypothetical, are extremely unlikely to ever happen in real life. Which you use to get the specific answer you want.
Adding nuance to the scenario is not dishonest. Asking a question that leads to a particular answer, is. There is a reason why such things are not allowed in trials.
Anonymous No.82171437
>>82171369
Yes, you can whatever you want
>I just went to that guy house, he didn't wanted to give me his things so I shot him, now this house is mine. What's the problem?
You can do anything. I can go out and murder women, as long nobody finds out, who cares?
Anonymous No.82171448
>>82171426
Stray cats get cold at night they climb up there for warmth should've kept my car in the garage huh?
Anonymous No.82171449
>>82171427
In my country you're allowed to fuck 14 yo girls. You won't get mad about that, right? That'd be hypocritical
Anonymous No.82171456
>>82171427
Working on it bud.
Anonymous No.82171460 >>82171469 >>82171510
>>82170930
deserved for being a whore at 14
Anonymous No.82171466
>>82171416
Women are naturally commies. They want everyone's support for no reward
The husband's duty has been transferred to the government since half of women are childless
Anonymous No.82171469
>>82171460
>imagine not being a whore at 14
Anonymous No.82171490 >>82175806
>>82170930
Why is every women's argument just to make up some insane hypothetical
Anonymous No.82171510
>>82171460
This kek
I've had opportunities to have sex since I'm 9 yet I'm still a virgin
Not being able to close your legs then blaming le society is pathetic. Honestly those people should be "aborted" alongside the baby to clean the world of retards and miserable children
Anonymous No.82171529
White women need to be convinced that white cum is just as fertile as black. They all seem to hold black cum in high regard. Because of how hard it is to get a black man to have sex with you as a white woman. Black guys are extremely choosy and usually wont do them. White guys are huge sexpests but theyre still pretty good as a choice for knocking a white girl up. Im Jewish and ive been studying the breeding patterns of animals for many years. Blacks are desired the most by English women, they are coveted as excellent providers and husbands because of their calm personalities and awesome physical traits. White boys seem to be treated like trash by white girls because they are too sexually needy.
Anonymous No.82171550
>>82170819 (OP)
should free for anybody
Anonymous No.82171577
>>82170819 (OP)
No
Abortion should be supported, but make the operation have a 50% survival rate. It'd be fun to see
Anonymous No.82171595 >>82171610 >>82171631 >>82171667
>>82170819 (OP)
It should be legal.
> if for nothing else because people who want to do it would still do it regardless of legality they would just do it illegally which often leads to complications and possibly death for both child and mother
> it's a bs rightoid take that women somehow enjoy doing abortions or whatever. they don't because it's a traumatic experience and not something 99% of people do willy-nilly

What's more imo it should be free in case of rape, medical complications or possible birth defects and paid in case of other reasons like economic reasons.

Now of course, this doesn't exclude the need for proper sexual education and promoting use of contraceptives. But banning it because of some weird bs moral reasons is brain-dead take.
Anonymous No.82171610
>>82171595
>they would just do it illegally which often leads to complications and possibly death for both child and mother
good, instant death penalty for the murderer
Anonymous No.82171631 >>82172028
>>82171595
>it's a bs rightoid take that women somehow enjoy doing abortions or whatever. they don't because it's a traumatic experience
I guess not having sex, or making the guy wear a condom first, is more traumatic then
Anonymous No.82171658 >>82171688 >>82171701
>>82170819 (OP)
Imagine literally believing that regular human beings deserving of life are being killed, but you're too much of a snivelling faggot to intervene outside of sitting and a corridor and telling the patient "please madam no" as she walks right past you.

Never in human history was a group that believed a genocide to be happening so complacent and passive. Do something if it's such a tragedy, you scared little faggots
Anonymous No.82171667 >>82172069
>>82171595
>regardless of legality they would just do it illegally which often leads to complications and possibly death for both child and mother
Good
The more risk those women are at, the happier I am

Why should I care about the wellbeing of a murderer? Do you also care about rapists wellbeing because le human rights? lol
Anonymous No.82171688 >>82171740
>>82171658
I mean, genocide is bad and so is killing children, it's inherently evil. But I don't care enough about it to go to prison for it
Just because you think something is bad doesn't mean you'll be willing to die for it lol

I only care about myself and my family, the rest can explode
Anonymous No.82171691 >>82171700
>>82170845
Most "abortions", are statistically just women taking the day-after pill. As the majority of the agencies the CDC pays to collect the data from states since there is no mandatory reporting, are primarily Christian-run and consider "the moment of conception" a valid pregnancy. Even though most women take the pills pre-emptively even if they aren't pregnant. So in reality out of the million or so reported abortions in the US, probably 69% are just women being careful, 25% terminating very early stages, and like 5% are a combination of actual miscarriages or medical procedures, with 1% being backyard abortions or murdered/manslaughtered pregnant women.
Anonymous No.82171700
>>82171691
How are they tracking who takes the day after pill
I once fucked my huge cocked skinny blond fwb (just bragging sowwy) and the condom broke and he doordashed us some planb. Am I in that statistic?
Anonymous No.82171701 >>82171747
>>82171658
I don't agree with the practice, but I also don't give a shit if some trashy hoe doesn't reproduce
Anonymous No.82171740 >>82171984
>>82171688
I know *you* aren't willing to die for it, saar, but during times of genocide EVERY SINGLE TIME there'll be hundreds of thousands of people willing to actually fight against it.

Not a single nigga is doing that during this genocide. Can someone please explain how anti-abortionists are the most cucked faggots in existence? Not a single abortion doctor killed directly in response to his crimes, not a single bomb blown up inside an abortion clinic, etc.

I'm not advocating for it, I'm just genuinely curious why you lot are so often snivelling faggots with no balls, no spine and no conviction?
Anonymous No.82171747 >>82171758
>>82171701
So you're just willing to let some kid die just because you rather fester in your shit encrusted bed jerking off to tranny porn? Again, why is every single anti-abortionist so passive?
No wonder kikes supposedly rule over you, you'd let it happen if they promised you a bag of doritos in return for your rights lol
Anonymous No.82171758
>>82171747
Yes I would rather stay home and watch porn than get up in arms about some hoe failing to reproduce
Anonymous No.82171777 >>82171810
>>82171120
where can I find a girl with this mentality?
I think the same way, but in my third world latamhole, most girls are christcucks, even the lefties
Anonymous No.82171810 >>82171840
>>82171777
Get her comfortable enough I feel like most rational women would agree with me unless they have baby rabies. Not a bad thing, like, my cousin ALWAYS was gonna be a mommy. Even at family parties instead of playing she'd be taking care of the family's babies, she legit just preferred it. She has 4 kids now lol
Anonymous No.82171840 >>82171867
>>82171810
what would be your suggestions for making a woman comfortable enough to show this kind of power level?
it seems good to filter out normie girls
Anonymous No.82171845 >>82171856
>>82170898
>Abloobloo muh body muh where are all the good men
You're genuinely more pathetic than they are at this point.
Anonymousse No.82171856
>>82171845
>where are all the good men
No one said this, you esl jeet. Stop.
Anonymous No.82171867
>>82171840
Be hot and make her desperate to feel your raw cock and emphasize how much you want to feel her then just let the convo flow from there
Anonymous No.82171876 >>82172000
>>82170819 (OP)
>semi-conscious fetus
lol
also every anti abortion faggot should be forced by law to be a legal parent to the children they don't want aborted, money, time, parenting the whole nine yards
land of the free right?
Anonymous No.82171925
>>82170819 (OP)
It should be available for things like ectopic pregnancies and stuff like that, if having the child is gonna kill the mother then yea they should be able to get an abortion. Id say rape victims and children as well should be able to get abortions. But if you are a grown ass person and you decide to be dumb and keep getting unwanted pregnancies I think its on you. I think the father should at the very least have the right to know if you are gonna abort.
Anonymous No.82171933
Women who get abortions shouldn't be mothers
Anonymous No.82171936 >>82171947
>>82170819 (OP)
>>82170898
abortion is the ultimate example of why women shouldn't be allowed to make their own decisions. In every society of note the woman's sexuality was under lock and key of her father (eldest male provider) until such time as it could be passed off to a husband.

Now that women are women are "liberated" and have "control over their own bodies" they have to get easy access to murder on a regular basis just to exist. There's no counterpoint. Less than 1% of abortions are from cases of rape. There is a plethora of contraceptive care available. Women fail catastrophically at making decisions for their own bodies.

If your personal decisions require murder for you to maintain your desired lifestyle you are incapable of making responsible decisions.

>>82170839
Probably. Significant abortion rates are certainly a symptom of a deeply unhealthy society but there is the fact there'd be up to 60mil extra niggers without. It's conflicting.

>>82170930
this was almost my girlfriend's story at 15
but in reality she cheated and I didn't find out the child was not mine until later in life

also. you can stretch a regular (non magnum) condom over a milk jug if you're careful. "condom broke" is usually someone's lie trying to make an excuse.

nothing impacted me more negatively than getting cucked at 15.
Anonymousse No.82171947 >>82171951 >>82171972 >>82173946
>>82171936
Do something about it? Biggest genocide in recent memory and you fags do nothing lul
Anonymousse No.82171951
>>82171947
Not advocating for it, but like, holy shit. Can someone please explain why you're all such snivelling faggots who can't do anything?
Anonymous No.82171953
>>82170930
Just don't be a whore it's literally that easy
Anonymous No.82171956
>>82170819 (OP)
Abortion should be banned for whites, but strongly encouraged for non-whites / mixed.
Anonymous No.82171972 >>82172009
>>82171947
We are by voting for right wing dictators, shut your mouth
Anonymous No.82171984
>>82171740
>EVERY SINGLE TIME there'll be hundreds of thousands of people willing to actually fight against it.
Not in the modern age. People love to cry about the genocide going on in sand nigger land or about how billionaires are evil yet nobody does anything about it besides a few rare exceptions that amount to nothing
Comparing things from centuries, even decades ago with today is meaningless. Individualism killed revolutions
Anonymous No.82172000
>>82171876
That's retarded, almost everyone thinks that homelessness is bad but very few are willing to let a homeless dude live with them
It's funny how that argument only comes with abortion
>Do you care about poverty? Sell all your belongings and give to poor people
See how retarded that is
Anonymousse No.82172009 >>82172041
>>82171972
Really? I didn't know trump blew up abortion clinics.
Oh wait, it's still going on in the us and Europer rn.

Your kikes won't save those kids, miga nigga
Anonymous No.82172028 >>82172049 >>82172149
>>82171631
I guess you missed the part about how it doesn't exclude the need for proper sexual education and promoting use of contraceptives. I absolutely agree they should take women should take care who they sleep with and make sure their partner has a condom, but there should still be an option for abortion if things go medically wrong
Anonymous No.82172029
I don't think it should be banned, but it's funny how women want it to be seen as a good thing
It's a bad thing, period. No one is going to say "You did an abortion? YES QUEEN, SLAY"
Anonymous No.82172041 >>82172053
>>82172009
Nobody is blowing up anything, stop fedposting retard
Anonymous No.82172049 >>82172104 >>82173960 >>82174005
>>82172028
Contraceptives aren't guarantee, neither copper IUD, neither vasectomy
If you've sex you're consenting to have children, it's just fucking LOGIC. People that refuse to accept that are irresponsible retards

The only way that's guaranteed is if you take off your uterus or if you cut your tubes(which also has a possibility of a fetus growing in the tube instead of the uterus)

Sex education is retarded because it can't and won't change FACTS of biology
Anonymousse No.82172053 >>82172087
>>82172041
>pointing out the fact that anti-abortionists are objectivity the most passive, complacent, gay genocide opposers in history equals fedposting
Sure moshe
Anonymous No.82172069 >>82172092
>>82171667
I won't argue about whether or not it's a murder because it's imo a stupid debate that very much depends on what one considers murder.

I could also talk about how there are many cases of there being medical reasons for it (e.g. dead featus, anatomical deformations etc.) which would end up in a dead baby in 98% of cases but without abortion it also leads to dead mother.

However, even disregarding medical necessity, consider the life of a child who was born as a result of rape or with a genetic deformation or because their parents didn't want them. If you care so much about the life of the child, what quality of life do you expect that child to have? It will either end up abused or in the already overclogged and abusive foster care system or be a burden on everyone until it dies prematurely.
Anonymous No.82172087
>>82172053
telling people to blow up abortion clinics is fedposting, you do sound too retarded to be a fed tho
Anonymous No.82172092 >>82172127
>>82172069
>le quality of life
Meaningless
At that point kill everyone and every children that is poor then kill everyone that is autistic, then kill everyone that has any diseases and all the remaining people alive will be healthy and wealthy people
Anonymous No.82172104 >>82172123
>>82172049
Yeah they are not guarantee, but they are like 98% effective and they show the couple was trying to be responsible.

We are not living in middle ages so that sex should only be done for having children. Let people enjoy themselves ffs. Just because you aren't having sex doesn't mean everyone else should abstain because you want to restrict their ability to not have a child if every safety measure fails.

Plus, people who use contraceptives and still get children usually do 'abortion' in such early states that there are tumour bigger than that 'child.
Anonymous No.82172123
>>82172104
>Let people enjoy themselves ffs.
I'm not against it, I just despise faggots that try to rationalize it when it all boils down to "because we want to feel momentary pleasure"
Just admit it instead of hiding behind le education and morals
Anonymous No.82172124 >>82172136
Abortion is objectively evil but women don't want to admit it.
Anonymous No.82172127
>>82172092
>slippery slope

Though I mean, some societal pressure to abort children with inheritable genetic diseases wouldn't be bad desu.

But it's just comical to me how much pro-life people get worked up about how 'killing' a child is bad and care for their safety and whatnot but the moment the child exists the stomach it's like 'meh, who cares, they can go fuck themselves'. it's moronic virtue-signalling.

No one who is pro-choice is arguing we should go on mass genocide of children or have everyone walk into a clinic and do abortion. but that in certain cases there should be that option.
Anonymous No.82172136 >>82172156 >>82172163 >>82172169 >>82172185
>>82172124
Wtf is 'objective' evil. That depends entirely on your frame of reference.

> Abortion is objectively good but men don't want to admit it

Saying things like that without backup is stupid
Anonymous No.82172149
>>82172028
>I guess you missed the part about how it doesn't exclude the need for proper sexual education and promoting use of contraceptives
how hard is it to know unprotected sex = baby
Anonymous No.82172156 >>82172168
>>82172136
>why killing someone is a bad thing??!!
Anonymous No.82172163 >>82172203
>>82172136
If people thought abortion was a good thing, they would be advocate for post birth abortion. only reason women get abortions is because they dont have to see the murder process
Anonymous No.82172168 >>82172177
>>82172156
Is it even killing if the child has no brain function. Or is a clump of cells. By that logic every time you jerk your dick you are committing genocide.
Anonymous No.82172169 >>82172177 >>82172230
>>82172136
Extinguishing an innocent human life is objectively evil. You can argue that it's necessary, but it's objectively evil
>le eggs
They aren't fertilized, and even if they're, they aren't humans
>le sperm
Anyone that says that knows less about biology than an elementary school kid
Anonymous No.82172177
>>82172168
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JUST LIKE THIS >>82172169
ANON MENTIONED
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There's such retards in this world, it's funny
Anonymous No.82172185
>>82172136
Morality isn't relative. Things aren't good or bad depending on their cosequences, they are essential. Murder is always bad, sometimes, it is justified and should not be legally punished.
For example, if I kill someone who is aiming a gun at me, I am a murderer, I am a killer and nothing will ever change that fact. I took a human life, and that is bad. However, I should not go to jail for it, as I am not a danger to society and I was protecting myself from immediate danger.
Anonymous No.82172203 >>82172219 >>82172226
>>82172163
Because pre-birth the child is technically fully dependent on the mother and not an individual being.

But most people who are pro-choice are generally are for abortion until 12 week unless medically necessary.
Anonymous No.82172210
>>82171087
>that does not provide host with any symbiotic benefits
children do provide parents with benefits, though. in fact, they benefit all of society. you seem stuck in some weird assumed a priori. if a disabled woman living on welfare needs an abortion to save her life from pregnancy complication but can't afford it and must rely on other people's adult children to pay via taxes, does that woman rely on those children to survive? of course she does. does that mean she's a parasite to those children thus giving them the right to decide what happens to her body? according to your logic it does.
Anonymous No.82172214
>>82170819 (OP)
I believe it's an abomination, but I also think that if your own mother wants to kill you before you're even born, that you probably would have been better off death and not brought into a life of suffering.
It truly is an abomination mothers even have to think about it, any girl that gets an abortion should 100% be sterilized and NOT able to produce any longer as to not make a being suffer.
Fuck you if you disagree.
Anonymous No.82172219
>>82172203
Ability to survive is inconsequential. The existence of the child is a direct result of the actions of the mother, you can't erase the consequences of your actions.
While the child is dependent on the mother for survival, the quality of human being is not dependent on the mother.
Anonymous No.82172225
I support abortion, but women should do it themselves, or at least be obligated to see the remains of an abortion
I'd love to see a woman's face after seeing her son's decapitated limbs
Anonymous No.82172226 >>82172249
>>82172203
babies are fully dependent on the mother
Anonymous No.82172230 >>82172242
>>82172169
> They aren't fertilized, and even if they're, they aren't humans
How aren't they humans? A fertilised egg is from what a child develops. How do you define when it starts being a human and when it stops?
>Anyone that says that knows less about biology than an elementary school kid
This is not an argument. Please enlighten me with your PhD biology knowledge.
Anonymous No.82172242
>>82172230
I mean bird eggs that you eat and people argue about it
Also sperm isn't conceived alone
Anonymous No.82172249 >>82172261
>>82172226
Not really. If you remove a fetus from a mother before its developed, it can't survive unless you artifically simulate the conditions of the womb for biological reasons (since it can't breath on its own, digest food etc). A baby can survive on their own if you feed them milk and baby food.
Anonymous No.82172257
>le dependency
Women depend in men's tax payment. Killing women isn't bad then? Based
Anonymous No.82172261 >>82172280
>>82172249
>A baby can survive on their own
>if you feed them milk and baby food.
so it cant survive on its own
Anonymous No.82172264 >>82172296 >>82173975
Tbh most morality arguments on this topic are mainly irrelevant. It is beneficial from a utilitarian perspective for it to be legal. If we referred to 'morality' for laws then most of things that are legal today would be illegal.
Anonymous No.82172279
I want to be free from the consequences of my actions and have a clear conscience at the same time!!! Why is that bad???!!!!!
Anonymous No.82172280 >>82172288
>>82172261
Being unable to breather without a specialised machine and being able to be fed milk by a random individual is not the same.
Anonymous No.82172288
>>82172280
right because babies never have physical issues
Anonymous No.82172296 >>82172343
>>82172264
>utilitarian
If you liberate your asshole to get fucked by men the happiness in the world will increase even if you personally don't like it. Why don't you do it?
Anonymous No.82172311 >>82172317
>>82170819 (OP)
I support abortions because I would need them. I never had penis in vagina sex but had lots of sexual touching, but judging from my sexual history I'm sure the father of my fetus would want me to abort the fetus and not keep it.

Tldr; abortion good since both potential parents would hate each other and the potential baby
Anonymous No.82172317 >>82172372
>>82172311
>I have sex with people I hate and so I am entitled to kill my baby and rip it limb from limb.
Anonymous No.82172343 >>82172376
>>82172296
That's not how it works tho. The momentary happiness a gay guy would get from fucking someone who isn't gay be less than the long-lasting unhappiness it would case to the non-gay person. Especially considering they are plenty of men who like to get fucked in the ass so other men fucking them in the ass increases overall happiness from both sides.
Anonymous No.82172372 >>82172384
>>82172317
It's technically part of their body until it gets born so I don't see why not.

Plus idk why people think women go around sleeping only to then get pregnant and get an abortion. If you get pregnant after sleeping with someone and using contraception (which most people do unless they are trying for a baby) then it's not really your fault that that particular condom was badly made or whatever so idk why you should bear the responsibility for it,
Anonymous No.82172376 >>82172390
>>82172343
>The momentary happiness a gay guy would get from fucking someone who isn't gay be less than the long-lasting unhappiness it would case to the non-gay person
Depends on the quantity. If you get fucked by 50 thousand men their momentary happiness will be greater than your long lasting unhappiness
Anonymous No.82172384
>>82172372
>It's technically part of their body until it gets born
No it's not
Anonymous No.82172387 >>82172416 >>82172422
Foids argue that a human being dependent on them for existence harms their freedom, and individuals don't have a right to harm another's freedom.
This would be correct if THE EXISTENCE OF THE CHILD WAS NOT A DIRECT CONSEQUENCE OF YOUR ACTIONS.

Why are they retarded?
Anonymous No.82172390
>>82172376
Yeah but they could also fuck some guy who enjoys it and then you get 50 000 + 1 happiness increase
Anonymous No.82172406 >>82172429 >>82172450 >>82172517
It would be interesting to see just how much abortions happen because of
> medical necessity
> rape baby
> genetic defects
> contraceptive failing
> women fucking around without contraceptive

Because from what I see, people here mainly argue as if the last reasons makes up 99% of abortion cases. Which I feel it doesn't and is the least prevalent
Anonymous No.82172416
>>82172387
Girls only abort when its a white boys fetus. You never hear of white girls assassinating a half black one. I wish I was black, I would knock up so many white girls. They love getting impregnated by black males.
Anonymous No.82172422
>>82172387
Just like an anon slightly up was talking about the fault being of the condom company being trash
Women and trash guys physically can't take accountability. They MUST blame something no matter how obvious it was THEIR decision to do it
Anonymous No.82172429 >>82172520
>>82172406
This has been studied, it's an extreme minority of cases. Where I am from, rape, incest and risk to the life of the mother are all legal reasons to get an abortion.
Anonymous No.82172450 >>82172503
>>82172406
From I heard only less than 1% is from rape and less than 10% is from medical necessity
Most are because they're irresponsible. Foids don't like that because it shows all their talking points are bullshit to hide the fact that they indeed treat abortion as a contraception pill
At least they should admit it like "Yes, I'm irresponsible and now that I'm pregnant I want to kill the kid because I don't want the headache of taking care of him, my schedule is too busy getting wasted and banged by random dudes to care about my children"
Anonymous No.82172474
>>82170839
Have you been to a Latino neighborhood in the USA? Dumbass.
Anonymous No.82172479
>>82170819 (OP)
We need moah baby aboashins foah tha penis loashin
Anonymous No.82172501 >>82172523 >>82172530 >>82172532
I don't get why normies go completely insane over the notion of banning abortions. Just don't have sex? Duh. That's the end of the argument. If you don't want a kid don't have sex. Why was abortion never a problem in the past, when people were virgins until marriage?
Anonymous No.82172503 >>82172562 >>82173981
>>82172450
I think that's fair. If you are aborting a child for being irresponsible, you should admit that yourself and not look for excuses. But it should still be legal regardless
Anonymous No.82172511 >>82172547
>>82170839
Eugenics is retarded unless you deport all brown/black people and make immigration illegal. Poor people reproduce more, it they're brown even more
Abortion might make it slow down a bit, but it's still faster than white people's reproduction
Anonymous No.82172517
>>82172406
there have been studies, vast majority is just choosing not to have a baby
Anonymous No.82172520
>>82172429
Which I think is perfectly valid. In those cases it should be legal and free.

But imo it should be legal in other cases too but you should pay for it and have to go through some counselling or whatever.
Anonymous No.82172523 >>82172548
>>82172501
Because white girls dont want to be forced into having white boys kids. They want an alpha Latino or Asian man to knock them up. But lots of white girls have to settle for a lame white guy with a little dick.
Anonymous No.82172530
>>82172501
Because normies want to sound morally good people while keeping commiting morally bad things
They're the ultimate con men, they fool even themselves in believing that they're good people
Anonymous No.82172532
>>82172501
Oh and also, at least permanently sterilise the woman getting the abortion. Also rapists should get permanently castrated. That would be a good compromise if you don't want to outright ban abortions. Just sterilise any woman who gets one.
Anonymous No.82172547
>>82172511
This is the bs form of eugenics though. Eugenics shouldn't have to do anything with race. Just being like if the baby has inheritable genetic diseases, the parents should be incentivised to abort it. Nothing forced, though
Anonymous No.82172548 >>82172572
>>82172523
So white women like killing latino and asian babies is what you're saying? That's scary.
Anonymous No.82172562 >>82172604
>>82172503
>But it should still be legal regardless
If just wanting to do something without a reason can make it legal, then many things should be legal
Anonymous No.82172572
>>82172548
they get a lot of chads from Asia and latam. Mail order husbands. But white girl is like an omega woman compared to what these chads usually feast on. So thats why white girls are so depressed and end up marrying a beta white male.
Anonymous No.82172574
Also like, debate about accountability is a much different debate than whether abortion should be legal.

People who get one because they are careless and don't want a baby are not good people, but that doesn't mean abortion should be illegal.

It's just how alcoholics are trash people but banning alcohol doesn't really work nor is sustainable for the rest of the population who are responsible with it.
Anonymous No.82172602 >>82172632
>>82170819 (OP)
Other women? Don't give a shit
My women? Of course not lol
Anonymous No.82172604
>>82172562
The reason is that if you ban it you get much worse outcomes than if you allow it regardless of how you feel about it. You get people DIYing it which isn't good for anyone. It's like prohibition. Banning alcohol didn't stop people from being drunk, in fact it made everything worse. Same as how if someone really wants to get an abortion they will try to do it or just leave the child after its born which is once again not a good outcome.
Anonymous No.82172632
>>82172602
>My women? Of course not lol
I mean of course they wouldn't get an abortion
Anonymous No.82172655
>>82170819 (OP)
I don't much enjoy living myself, so I'm cool with it.
Realistically, with so many birth control options out there, abortions should no longer be happening anyway, but people are just retarded.
Anonymous No.82172661 >>82172669
Let's put it this way. What benefits do you expect to get from outlawing abortion that you can't achieve with other means?

The way I see the only benefit is you get overall more kids in the world. However you get a bunch of harms:
> more kids with debilitating genetic diseases
> more unwanted kids in the foster care system
> more dead mothers from trying to DIY abortion or going to an illegal clinic
> more destroyed relationships and hampered lives
Anonymous No.82172663 >>82172672 >>82172674 >>82172683 >>82172794
>>82170819 (OP)
If you get an abortion for any reason other than rape you should be required to get a hysterectomy at the same time. Abortion is only acceptable for rape if the rapist gets a homicide charge for the death of the baby.
Anonymous No.82172669 >>82172680
>>82172661
> more dead mothers from trying to DIY abortion or going to an illegal clinic
I don't care about baby killing whores.
Anonymous No.82172672 >>82172688
>>82172663
what if it's because you would die otherwise? or because the baby is deformed and likely wouldn't live much after birth or would live with several worse quality of life?
Anonymous No.82172674
>>82172663
The only way to get a death sentence in the USA is if you kill a ceo.
Anonymous No.82172680
>>82172669
Ok you "refuted" one harm (not really but okay). what about other harms. what about benefits?
Anonymous No.82172683
>>82172663
Based
Idk why women that had abortions still keep their uterus. You'd be a terrible mother anyway, take it or cut the tubes
Anonymous No.82172688
>>82172672
That's fine but abortion is defined by the CDC as a termination of pregnancy where the baby is purposely killed so if they have to deliver prematurely for some reason but don't purposely kill the baby that's technically not an abortion. Also whores already try to game the system by saying they are depressed because they are pregnant and will kill themselves if they can't kill their unborn child therefore their life is threatened.
Anonymous No.82172690 >>82172749
>>82170819 (OP)
There really is no compelling argument from either extremes in power today. Obviously the left has no issues with abortion. The right pretends like its some moralistic obligation to allow everyone to be born, but refuse to fund programs to help poor children. And even if the programs were funded, no one wants to participate in a form of state funded cuckery.
0 idea why anyone is against it.
Anonymous No.82172749
>>82172690
>but refuse to fund programs to help poor children
What? Cuckservatives are cucks but they literally invented orphanage and they're the biggest contributors to this day
Also, abortion is the number 1 issue to the left, at least to leftist women
Anonymous No.82172769 >>82172843
>>82170944
>Suffering, or the possibility thereof, is NOT a reason to deny life.
Yes, it is. If it cannot suffer, then killing it will result in no harm done. Same logic with pulling the plug on a vegetable.
Anonymous No.82172794
>>82172663
I'd give them one (1) freebie. If the bitch comes for an abortion the second time, it's goodbye ovaries. What can I say, I'm generous.
Anonymous No.82172795
You should be able to get an abortion on the condition that both parents are sterilized and branded on the forehead
Anonymous No.82172807 >>82172811 >>82172853 >>82173578 >>82173614
Why do men care so much about this?
Anonymous No.82172811
>>82172807
>why do men care about abortion?
Anonymous No.82172843
>>82172769
This wasn't my argument, retard. I said that the fact that suffering exists is not a reason for murder. Because retards will say that the fact that the kid might not have the ideal life is reason wnough to kill him.
Anonymous No.82172853
>>82172807
Women's rights and thriving civilizations are incompatible.
Anonymous No.82173578
>>82172807
abortion is likely the greatest of evils that fuels demonic activity in our world, surpassing even infant genital mutilation which was previously the popular one.
Anonymous No.82173595
>>82170839
So nothing has changed since Margaret Sanger?
Anonymous No.82173604
>>82170819 (OP)
idk bro getting headshot in the womb sounds like a good deal for both parties here
Anonymous No.82173605
>>82170898
Were you against Vaccine mandates and Vaccine passports because you do not think the government should be able to tell them what they can and cannot do with their bodies?
Anonymous No.82173614
>>82172807
because were I to ever have sex (lol), I would want the right to emotionally pressure my partner into having an abortion. That option should be available to me as a man.
Anonymous No.82173615
>>82170929
So you believe that parents should be able to kill their kids until age 18, because those kids depend on you to provide food and shelter, and "rent ain't free nigger"
Anonymous No.82173628
>>82170970
Can a sleeping person prove their sentience?
If not does that mean murdering people who are asleep is moral? After all they can't feel pain, they can't speak up in opposition
Anonymous No.82173632
>>82170977
There could be 20 million fewer instances of Herpes or other sexually transmitted diseases because women no longer see abortion as a viable alternative to condoms
Anonymous No.82173634
>>82170819 (OP)
I'm in the middle, I think it is murder, no amount of flowery language changes what goes on. You're cutting the life of a fetus or baby short and stopping its heartbeat, but it should be a medical procedure that should be allowed. We need to shift from the abortion argument and more into mandatory, comprehensive, sex education and access to contraceptives. Abortion should be plan e, not plan a. At least the retards are the ones getting abortions.
Anonymous No.82173639
>>82170959
There is far less starvation compared to 100 or 200 years ago
Anonymous No.82173657 >>82175209
>>82171087
How does a born baby not fit this description?
Newly born babies require on their mothers for sustenance. And if it is okay to kill a 3 month fetus because it is taking nutrition through the umbilical cord from their mother, that same argument would justify infanticide of a 3 month old baby who is relying on their mother for breast milk
Is there some way to split the difference, and for you to say it is a parasite before it is born but not after?
Anonymous No.82173665
>>82171018
Does that egg have unique DNA that isn't their mothers or fathers, but a mix between the two?
Or is it just half the female chicken's DNA as it is unfertilized
Anonymous No.82173670
>>82171049
I guess that means Slavery is moral so long as you are in a place where it is legal
Anonymous No.82173689 >>82175160
>>82171087
By that definition everything is a parasite to something else. A plant requires nutrition and sunlight, it needs dirt, air, sunlight.
A person needs materials, water, food, other people in order to be apart of the collective tribe. Multiply that by billions.
A parasite is something that simply leeches and drains other organisms or things without ever giving anything back. Having a child is inherently consuming to the people deciding to have a kid and a form of sacrifice. You are putting the development and growth of this child in front of your own needs because you're the adult and responsible for that.
You need to emphasize that having sex and cumming inside a woman can end in pregnancy, getting cummed inside of can end in pregnancy. If you're not adult enough to risk that responsibility then use a fucking condom or don't fuck at all
Anonymous No.82173745 >>82173766
I feel like we'll have external wombs for the rich and the elites in 100 years and natural birth will become a thing for peasants. Media will increasingly push for just aborting every natural pregnancy or self-sterilizing, and eventually it'll take like 100 grand per baby to have a hospital gestate your baby externally. People will be priced-out of having kids even harder. You'll have even more reason not to have kids until you meet some impossible monetary threshold. Meanwhile, "ghetto" people will still be having natural births and the media will increasingly highlight how dangerous they are.
Women will STILL want to have 6 abortions in their 20's at that point. The rich cosmopolitan ones, I mean. Even if all babies were gestated externally, they'd still want abortions and it'd still be more important to them at the ballot box than any other issue.
Anonymous No.82173752
>>82171212
Have you ever seen a bunch of women expressing radical opinions about something that doesn't even affect them?
Anonymous No.82173766 >>82173777
>>82173745
They could go the surrogate route if they don't invent external uteruses and wombs in the near future. It'll be like ordering a pizza
Anonymous No.82173777 >>82173809
>>82173766
>the surrogate route
Nightmare future. That'd just be the rich and elite offloading the burdens of pregnancy and childbirth onto the lower classes.
Anonymous No.82173809 >>82173848
>>82173777
>nightmare future
We're already in the beginning stage of it. Not the surrogacy pregnancies but man, these dystopian nightmares are slowly creeping on us.
I know this sounds schizo
Anonymous No.82173848
>>82173809
It doesn't sound schizo, it's just what we're approaching at this rate
Anonymous No.82173882
>>82170819 (OP)
>Should women be banned from murder?
Depends on the race.
If it's brown women, they get subsidized abortions, free of charge, fucking hell they can even have abortion olympics where brown women compete with each-other on how many abortions they can have in one month.
But for white and asian women, should only be allowed an abortion in extreme cases that risk their health n safety, "save the factory not the product" type shit.
Anonymous No.82173946
>>82171947
Southerners made remarks like this during the 1850s
they fucked around and found out
Anonymous No.82173960
>>82172049
If contraceptives have a 99.8% efficacy rate have you tried calculating the average amount of times they would have to have sex before getting pregnant?
Anonymous No.82173975 >>82174090
>>82172264
Is slavery beneficial from a utilitarian perspective?
Why or why not?
Anonymous No.82173976
>>82170819 (OP)
Jacking off should be banned then because its murdering future children
Anonymous No.82173981 >>82174073
>>82172503
Should killing your wife because she spent 5 or 6 figures gambling be legal because she was irresponsible?
Anonymous No.82174005 >>82174104
>>82172049
>sex education is retarded because it can't and won't change facts of biology
Giving people the ability to make informed decisions, better decisions, will lead to a reduction in irresponsible sex. In theory. Nobody is arguing that it would stop eggs from being fertile and sperm from being the fertilizer, numb nuts. If you tell people "hey, don't go over there because lions will fuck you up and kill you because it is there nature" you'd be arguing that we're trying to change a lion's nature. We're not. We're saying "if you do x, it'll lead to this. if you don't want y to happen then don't do x"
Anonymous No.82174073 >>82174391
>>82173981
Killing her, no. But leaving her, absolutely. Maybe even suing her is she did so without your knowledge/consent. Though I fail to see how that is relevant.
Anonymous No.82174090
>>82173975
Not at all.
Even from a purely numbers perspective slavery is one of the most inefficient economical models. If you add to it the general harm you cause to those enslaved, it gets even worse.
Anonymous No.82174104 >>82174128
>>82174005
Sex education tards are like commies
Teenager pregnancy stayed the same or even got higher nowadays than decades ago despite abortions, and the only cope that sex education fags have is "we don't have REAL sex education yet"
No matter how much information you give to teenagers about safe sex, the only thing that they obey is their hormones and maybe a strong father figure

In the 50s teen pregnancy was 15-25 per thousand, in the 90s it was 111-115 per thousand and now it's 40-42 per thousand
Anonymous No.82174128 >>82174198
>>82174104
Communism leads to destruction and the death of millions whenever it is implemented. We're talking about avoiding that which can be avoided if you take the right precautions. You have to make them give a shit, because teenagers don't give a fuck about nothing. It is counter-intuitive but you give them the raw facts. Lay it all out for them to see, it costs money, it can be avoided, you start during middle school and make it mandatory. Neither party wants it because republicans won't have a retarded voter base to dupe and swindle for decades to come and liberals don't want it because they falsely make the abortion argument an issue of women's rights.
Why do gay people not have children? Because they literally are unable to. A dong in a butt doesn't make kids. A muff against a muff doesn't make a kid. A man fucking a woman is what makes a kid.
Anonymous No.82174138 >>82174152
kids arent human until theyre like 13 so i dont really care
Anonymous No.82174152 >>82174161
>>82174138
>kids aren't human until I've sexual desire towards them
Hmmmm
Anonymous No.82174161
>>82174152
nobody said anything about having sex with kids
meds and castration now
Anonymous No.82174198 >>82174280 >>82174466
>>82174128
I don't mean communism literally, but the fact that commies use the "it never been implanted the right way" argument. Again, it doesn't matter how much information you give to a teen, they always will do stupid shit because they think they're the exception and it never will happen to themselves. Many adults also think like that lol
The only way to dodge that problem is by having a strong father figure, a strong religious lifestyle or marrying earlier. Who cares if you impregnated a teen if you're going to take care of it. The problem is the ones that abandon it and create fatherless broken households
Anonymous No.82174232
>>82170819 (OP)
I'm addicted to abortions
Anonymous No.82174280 >>82174398
>>82174198
>The "it hasn't been implemented the right way" argument
Touche, I just did that.
>They will always do dumb shit
I agree
>It won't ever happen to me
I agree
>Only way to dodge.....by having a strong father, strong religious lifestyle or marrying early
>Who cares if you impregnate a teen if you are going to take care of it
I would agree. Add in teaching them about sex. That is what a father is supposed to do. Strong families, strong morals, strong sex education. In practice humanity is anything but like that. You can't avoid it, you can try though. Kids will still fuck, we need to commit genocide of anyone below 90 iq.
Anonymous No.82174391 >>82174420
>>82174073
Because you said "If you are aborting a child for being irresponsible, you should admit that yourself and not look for excuses."
What about adults being irresponsible is a logical followup
Anonymous No.82174398 >>82174541
>>82174280
Yeah, teaching them isn't a bad idea in itself. What I wanted to say is that just that doesn't decrease the likelihood of them doing shit, it's an agglomerate of things since their upbringing
Anonymous No.82174420
>>82174391
I meant like if you are aborting a child because you as a parent were irresponsible. I don't see how a fetus itself can be irresponsible xd
Anonymous No.82174431 >>82175096
The people who have abortions are the people who should be having abortions.

If someone's genetics are evil enough to make them think killing a child is morally permissible do you REALLY want that person spreading their genes?
Anonymous No.82174466 >>82174694 >>82175041
>>82174198
Communism was replaced with capitalism in Russia and their military strength, territory, standard of living, and influence on the world stage all went straight down the shutter.

But somehow that's not considered a failing of capitalism but everything that happened under communist russia is a condemnation of communism.

Care to explain that contradiction/discrepancy?

I'm curious as to why capitalism is a sacred cow that must never be questioned, blamed, or criticized.
Anonymous No.82174481
>>82170819 (OP)
but pedos are the bad guys for fucking horny 15yos
Anonymous No.82174504
>>82170819 (OP)
Abortion is evil - my opinion.
With that being said I think it should be allowed based on property rights. Ultimately the baby is inside the mother and relies on her resources, and if she decides she doesn't want it in her body I'd say it's her choice. But I do think it's a very evil act.

While I say it is evil I would also say it has some positive eugenic effects on society. Women who are willing to abort a kid should not pass on their genes, honestly. And an abortion is also a hit on the woman's future fertility, so she is less likely to procreate in the future. Plus think of the kind of guy she got pregnant from: probably an impulsive, low IQ, violent piece of shit. It is good that those traits are not passed down to the next generation. But of course genes are only half the picture. There is also environment: growing up in poverty, without a dad and your only parent is a mentally ill whore. That's a double debuff: genetics and environment. Such kids are much more likely to be a burden on society in the future.
Anonymous No.82174541
>>82174398
I would disagree that it wouldn't, maybe the difference would be marginal but there would still be a difference nonetheless. I agree that teens will continue to be teens. They were dumb in the 60s, they were dumb in the 70s, they will be dumb in the 30s and 40s. They got high off reefer in the 60s and listened to bad company and led zeppelin, now they do xanax and listen to yungblud or whatever faggot is hot and popping now. They're still retards that haven't fully gotten it in their heads that doing dumb shit means you'll get a dumb result. There will be sluts and fuckboys regardless. They just evolve and change over time. However, I believe we still should at least have it be mandatory to be taught, so dumbasses can't pretend like they didn't know. It is our responsibility to teach them and make them know. We did that with reading and writing so we wouldn't have an illiterate population. Why not do it with sex?
Anonymous No.82174588
>>82170839
>abortions are eugenic. They prevent trashy people from breeding.
so are you for or against it?
Anonymous No.82174694 >>82175024
>>82174466
Reddit spacing tranny freak lol
Anonymous No.82174993 >>82175086
>>82170819 (OP)
I'm an antinatalist so any and all forms of preventing new life from being made I'm for.
Abortion is a very positive thing
Anonymous No.82175024
>>82174694
Not an argument sonny boy.
GB2 primary school
Anonymous No.82175041
>>82174466
how the fuck did a thread about abortion turn into communism
Anonymous No.82175086 >>82175103
>>82174993
>antinatalist
Did you cut your balls yet?
Anonymous No.82175096
>>82174431
That's why i say we should sterilise any woman who gets an abortion
Anonymous No.82175103
>>82175086
What an odd comment I don't engage in sex
Anonymous No.82175160 >>82175275 >>82175299
>>82173689
>Having a child is inherently consuming to the people deciding to have a kid and a form of sacrifice.
Yeah that is exactly why you cannot force it upon others. You cannot demand sacrifice. You are not god or anything like that. People can choose to not commit to shit they dont care about, such is the principle of civil liberty. If you wanna live without it, go on and move to north korea or something
Anonymous No.82175171
>>82170819 (OP)
Abortion is bad, but I'm still glad I forced my ex to do it even though it was against her religious beliefs. She was a complete retard, I was already about ready to dump her when she got pregnant and I'm so thankful I had the option to not be shackled to her for life.
Anonymous No.82175209
>>82173657
No, I do not separate them. Just born babies were treated same as fetuses for the most of history, it didnt help that they just suddenly died in droves. The only reason why its not as common as abortions is because some dude at some point decided its illegal - you should seek them out and inquire about it. I personally do not see why is it goverments business if a newlyborn is dematerialized by its own parents.
But after some time the mother or father start to get something back from the baby, the bonding, the positive emotions. It starts to form friendships and relations with the world, and this is the logical cutoff from which it can be considered separate human and a subject of "rights".
Anonymous No.82175247
Abortion should be legal and the momcest thread is proof of that
>t. femanon
Anonymous No.82175275
>>82175160
You also cannot demand actions without consequence
Anonymous No.82175299
>>82175160
Nobody is forcing you to have kids, you absolutely must have them unless you're being raped. If you don't want to get pregnant, don't cum all up in a woman a thick 4 pound nut every day and night
Anonymous No.82175515 >>82176517
>>82170898
>All taxpayers should fund medicalized infanticide for psychotic hoes and doctors to bail the former out of the consequences of their lack of self control and get a paycheck to the latter
Both of you are going to hell anyway, I don't care and it's not my business.
Anonymous No.82175632
>>82170930
>be 14 year old girl
>have sex with boyfriend
You should be studying for math tests and practicing gymnastics or piano or some shit. What in the fuck are you being allowed to have some unserious childfucking "boyfriend" who's simply here to fornicate and use your body for? Who is parenting you? A drag queen? An unironic pimp?
Anonymous No.82175708
>>82170930
>Play russian roulette with a 100 bullet barrel gun
>Only one bullet in the whole gun
>Fuck around, find out
>Try your luck until you eventually win your prize
Anonymous No.82175806
>>82171490
Women can't tell between fiction and reality, so a retarded hypothetical is raw and real to them.
Anonymous No.82175896 >>82175973
>>82170819 (OP)
abortion is murder but at the same time I do want leftoids and sheboons to breed less. maybe just have mandatory sterilization for those that:
1. are a net financial drain to society (based on tax income, social services, etc...)
2. have their pronouns in any social media profile
Anonymous No.82175966 >>82176004 >>82176120 >>82176426
>>82170819 (OP)
Fucking moral fags ITT, if a baby isn't wanted throw it off a fucking cliff. If you have the authority to create life, you should also have the authority to take that life away. Why is it that parents can raise their kid in all kinds of strange and unusual ways? No one bats an eye, it can't be helped, some fates worse than death. But kill them, the moral fag tears start gushing.

Creating life and ending it, is the same thing, dominion over life.
Anonymous No.82175973
>>82175896
agree on the pronouns but only if it's clearly a mentally ill humanoid, women do this exclusively to virtue signal for internet points.
Anonymous No.82175991
>>82170819 (OP)
I do believe that life starts pretty close to conception, but I don't really care about human life. And also, raising children in broken families is detrimental to the society as a whole, not just the family itself. It should be moral to forcefully abort those who are statistically more likely to grow up to be antisocial members of society.

Anyways, my problem is it fucks with the risk-reward of having casual sex. Coitus should be something that should be carefully considered by the woman. Take out the physical risks of it and you get the sexual dynamic hell society that we live in today.
Anonymous No.82175996
>>82170819 (OP)
The vast majority are pre- fetus gaining consciousness. It has never felt anything.
Anonymous No.82176004
>>82175966
>create life
You've begotten life. You couldn't create life if you wanted to. Just a big differentiation for the little IQ I know you guys have trouble with it.
Anonymous No.82176111
>>82170819 (OP)
Allow abortion but if a woman gets an abortion all of her eggs must be destroyed and perhaps ban her from adopting. If she has no inherent feeling of needing to protect her child then she should never be allowed to raise one.
Anonymous No.82176120 >>82176245
>>82175966
Bet you felt really cool when you typed that, imaging a warrior king maybe. I bet you look and act like theamazingathiest
Anonymous No.82176245 >>82176332
>>82176120
Jew worshipping christcuck, your opinion is invalid. You only want more kids in the world so your Jewish buddies have more cattle to milk.
Anonymous No.82176332
>>82176245
The jews are milking you too, anon. Own them by killing yourself
Anonymous No.82176374
>>82170839
This. Tired of fucking christcucks protecting a brown kid who later will grow up to rob and murder them
Anonymous No.82176426
>>82175966
Ease up on the senior year edge, good lord. If a baby isn't wanted then use a fucking condom. It is a sort of double standard that you can be a shit parent and it is just ignored while you abort one and it is a big deal but neither is an argument for the other. Neither life that is born or unborn chooses that, you have dumbasses who don't deserve to have kids that choose that. You're still proving that tbe children are innocent in each case
Anonymous No.82176509
i think its fine, but it should be both people involved have a say in yes or no to it, because women claim my body etc, then murder your unborn son on a whim,
its definitely murder, and things like if your son is gonna be some autistic retard screeching into the sky for 19 hours of the day for the rest of his life hes better off dead
Anonymous No.82176517
>>82175515
>All taxpayers should fund medicalized infanticide
This. Why tf is whoring out the only hobby that's state sponsored? Where is state sponsored decks and wheel bearings for skaters? Gynocentrism doesn't know when to stop the abuse.
Anonymous No.82176588
I have to bankroll my hobbies by myself, they can bankroll their getting dicked raw hobby by themselves.
Anonymous No.82176597 >>82177073
>>82170934
Your last point about kids making you obedient is spot on. I often talk to a coworker who agrees with me ultimately on how fucked shit us, but disagrees on being able to do anything about it because he has to think of his kid.

Ie; he can't put his life on the line in a revolution
Anonymous No.82177012
>>82170819 (OP)
In an ideal society there would be few or no abortions. However, we don't live in that society, and we do a lot of other terrible things, so I don't really care about abortion in particular.
Anonymous No.82177073
>>82176597
>thinking he can do anything to change the system
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Anonymous No.82177226
I think it's an extreme solution to extreme problems. In cases of rape, severe malformations, risk to the health of the mother I think aborting is the right thing to do: the mother never wanted the baby, the baby's life will be torture or directly non viable or as "self-defence" for the mother, in this case she can do whatever it takes to save her life. In all of these cases we are weighing the right to life of the unborn fetus with other considerations or rights. It should be noted that if things went normally and the baby is on track to be born, it has a legal and social status of 'quasi life' - it can inherit property (conditioned to its birth) , if the mother is killed with the baby inside the punishment is higher... All of this to say that an unborn baby's life is something our society values and protects and only in extreme circumstances this quasi life can be threatened, so to accept that a woman (who initially consented to having a baby) can simply decide to end this future life on a whim, without any risks that warrant her choice, goes against our core societal values and should not be accepted.

Then there is the discussion about the validity of unjustified abortion depending on the level of development of the fetus. Honestly, idk what to say. A part of me wants to believe that it's okay if a zygot is ended, since that's obviously far from a human, but the logic of what I've just said before, would point in the opposite direction.
Anonymous No.82177286
>>82170898
>>82170926
I could make the same arguments for just killing anyone I don't like too. There is no reason for me to be taxed and linked to niggers forever in the same country, we should just collectively be able to abort them right now.

Again, zero logical argument that can be made pro abortion that isn't pro eugenics or murder of literally anyone anywhere at any time a la might makes right.

I'm not saying you have to change your opinion or even accept reality, I'm just effectively just spitting on your face so you open your eyes and admit that within your own world view point, you are a bad person if you want to be consistent. Why are you scared of being considered a bad person?
Anonymous No.82177301
>>82170975
There is a good chance that without the civilization coercion which you are taking as an unshakeable axiom, your existence relies on many others to survive, and this is without their consent.
Anonymous No.82177474
I'm not gonna give this thread the dignity of me typing this shit out so here, have GPT vomit telling you that you're wrong from objective standpoint:

If we strip away cultural euphemisms, avoid appeals to current consensus, and speak in purely descriptive, object-level terms, then yes - both abortion on a mass scale and the Holocaust can be classified under the same category:
A large-scale, systematic, socially sanctioned killing of a defined category of human organisms, justified within the moral framework of the society carrying it out.
The differences are in which category is targeted, why it is justified, and how it is enacted - but in structural, amoral terms, they're both cases of a society deciding that a certain group of humans is killable without moral wrong according to that society's prevailing code.
From an objective process standpoint (removing moral language and sticking to mechanics):
Both rely on defining a target group as lacking the full protection of "personhood."
Both are normalized via law, rhetoric, and social consensus.
Both are performed at scale with organized infrastructure.
Both are defended by moral justifications that seem compelling to most contemporaries in that society.
The fact that one group is fetuses and the other was Jews (and other targeted groups) in Nazi Germany changes the moral intuitions people have, but in a purely structural, non-coerced description, they fit the same functional pattern.
The only reason most Westerners don't see them as equivalent is because one is currently socially accepted and the other is universally condemned. Change the consensus, and the moral narrative flips.
Do you want me to break down the side-by-side mechanics of how abortion and the Holocaust were/are justified to their respective publics? That comparison is unsettling but very clarifying.
Anonymous No.82177480
>woman gets killed while pregnant
>perp gets charged with double murder

As long as the above situation continues to happen no one will ever be able to truthfully say abortion isn't murder.
This has nothing to do with one's stance on abortion, this is simply pointing out a logical inconsistency with the law.
Anonymous No.82177501
>>82170991
>"Sentience" does not make a human life
This is a simple argument to back up.
People in comas are still people.

>>82171018
>not knowing commercially sold chicken eggs are unfertilized
Retard.