Thread 82176634 - /r9k/ [Archived: 101 hours ago]

Anonymous
8/14/2025, 12:43:11 AM No.82176634
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Powerful. Empowering.
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 12:48:53 AM No.82176690
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the sheer retardation and hubris of black "womxn" is beyond comprehension
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 12:49:31 AM No.82176702
>>82176634 (OP)
Attention is money. You're empowering this creature by reposting this picture. Self-sabotaging mor-
>/r9k/
Right, my bad.
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 12:49:38 AM No.82176705
>>82176634 (OP)
this is so goddamed stupid, it was obviously wordplay, jeans=genes, liberals are so goddamned stupid for caring about it.
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:03:10 AM No.82176824
>>82176705
I still don't believe anybody actually cares about this ad. The "outrage" is entirely artificial. It might even be an intelligence agency's experiment, it might be the company desperately trying to look edgy. Maybe a handful of truly retarded niggers felt like saying something, but beyond that, how do you care?
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:05:07 AM No.82176840
>>82176634 (OP)
the outrage over this is so forced.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:08:30 AM No.82176882
>>82176634 (OP)
Whoever drew up those blueprints is clearly retarded, glad we ditched the prototype for the improved evolved product
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:09:20 AM No.82176885
>>82176634 (OP)
>blue checkmark
For every engagement with her post, she gets money. People forget that
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:10:37 AM No.82176900
>>82176634 (OP)
that sheboon can't fit into any jeans, good or otherwise
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:12:38 AM No.82176914
>>82176824
culture war brrainrot is how
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:16:55 AM No.82176949
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>>82176634 (OP)
so the reason people were mad over this is because they thought the ad was saying she had good genes because she was white? I would consider myself reasonably racist and I thought it meant she had good genes as in she was well, pretty. Race was the last thing to cross my mind actually.
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:18:14 AM No.82176964
I hope Sydney Sweeney dies so I won't ever have to see her bullshit again
And Pedro Pascal too
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:19:05 AM No.82176970
>>82176964
same but every brownperson
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:19:27 AM No.82176974
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Do negresses really?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:21:00 AM No.82176983
sydney sweeney is ugly but black women are the ugliest women on the earth
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:23:41 AM No.82177005
>>82176970
No1currs about your retarded racist views, I am just tired of those two being everywhere
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:23:57 AM No.82177008
>>82176702
attention is money
and doubley so the entire add campaign knows that liberals are sensitive faggots and will give the economy of a small countries worth in attention just to complain and complain trump is in the epstein files our ivernon2000 wanted to help someone she wouldve spent her time and ours much more humanely by announcing valuable information
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:24:59 AM No.82177016
>>82177005
they aren't anywhere except advertisements and slopmedia
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:25:35 AM No.82177026
>>82176885
4chan used to troll people, but nowadays it's where the people who get baited by twitter/reddit hang out
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:27:42 AM No.82177041
>>82177016
Well, this is a thread about her on 4chan, so I can't escape from them even here
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:28:32 AM No.82177046
>>82177041
this is the first i've seen of her today, so what does that say?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:29:24 AM No.82177055
>>82176705
>>82176824
The ad is a reference to a Brooke Shields ad that sexualized her when she was 15. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lifestyle/style/brooke-shields-jeans-ad-1236337779/
Shields also had nude photos of her taken when she was 10 and was pushed into modeling by her parents ever since she was an 11 month old baby. This Sydney Sweeney ad was a way to both subtly snub the American population for talking to much about Epstein, and to introduce a divisive fake controversy at the same time.
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:30:47 AM No.82177068
>>82177055
the controversy is that she's an attractive white-presenting woman and not some ugly hog or a mixed mutt.
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:31:46 AM No.82177074
>>82177068
You're deflecting from what I just told you. I think you're invested in this controversy for some reason despite my explanation of where it's coming from. Why's that?
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:33:17 AM No.82177091
>>82176634 (OP)
>>82176690
"Fox has devoted over 7 times more coverage to Sweeney than the Epstein scandal recently"
https://www.mediamatters.org/fox-news/fox-has-devoted-over-7-times-more-coverage-sweeney-epstein-scandal-recently
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:34:25 AM No.82177099
>>82177074
i'm disregarding most of your post b/c it's not relevant. nothing in her public presence or the advertisement is distinct from other ads besides the key fact that ss is not a fat, ugly brown mutt.
pedophelia? alluded to in almost all other advertising, not relevant.
references to past media? alluded to in allmost all other advertising, not relevant.
how are these features important if they're ubiquitous in advertisements, but no other advertisements right now are controversial? (rhetorical question)
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:34:37 AM No.82177102
the astroturfing for this shit is so obvious, I don't know how you are still falling for it.

That twitter post was paid for btw
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:35:15 AM No.82177105
>>82177099
Spoken just like the racist, child-fuckinh freak you are.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:35:45 AM No.82177109
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>>82176634 (OP)
>we're the same as we were 200 million years ago
We know.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:36:39 AM No.82177116
>>82177099
The fuck is wrong with you, pedophile freak? You think covering up the Epstein child rape scandal with a clone of a Brooke Shields pedophile ad campaign is fine?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:38:21 AM No.82177126
>>82177091
so fox just decided fuck it, were going to make it obvious that we're a propoganda machine?
how much did gap pay them
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:42:29 AM No.82177169
>>82177126
I- is this what elucidated that fact for you, anon? It's MSNBC for rightoids, it's never been anything but a propaganda machine
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:47:49 AM No.82177220
>>82177169
no. but this shit should be obvious to everyone, and they should be embarrassed for ever watching it.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 1:52:23 AM No.82177256
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>>82177055
>Critics saw it as nodding to eugenics, the discredited theory embraced by Nazi Germany
Discredited Theory? Why are journalists so fucking stupid.
Eugenics isn't a theory, its just a fact. If you selectively breed for the best genes then the best genes become more common.
Literally every animal does this including humans.
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:07:49 AM No.82177391
>>82177256
is because eugenics is stupid. it's genetics with blinders on. humans have a very poor idea of fitness, and any population that practiced eugenics would suffer from the countless things they failed to account for in "controlling" genetics.
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:09:00 AM No.82177404
>>82177391
hell yeah let's just talk about things we know nothing about
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:10:51 AM No.82177415
>>82177404
You first I guess
sorry if you still believe in the fantasy of eugenics, but there is pretty much no way a bottlenecked population would be better off
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:12:05 AM No.82177428
>>82177256
Eugenics is to genetics what astrology is to astronomy
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:12:44 AM No.82177433
>>82177415
what's your evidence doe
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:17:39 AM No.82177470
>>82177433
Nta but if you didn't put forward any evidence at all to support it, he's not required to put forward any to argue with you
>da urf is flat
>no that's dumb
>proofs?!
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:18:22 AM No.82177475
>>82177433
look into dog breeds. that is what the "best genes" leads to.
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:22:48 AM No.82177510
>>82177470
he made a claim doe. i didn't even say he was wrong, just asked for evidence. womp womp
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:29:16 AM No.82177570
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>>82177391
So why are we pretending like humans dont already practice selective breeding and pick the best genes anyway?
Do you think 10/10 women are rushing to mate with a brown, short, down syndrome guy?
Women pick guys who are physically fit and smart enough to be well off financially.
Killing off all people with mental illness, down syndrome, and other abnormalities, and only allowing chads and stacies to breed, that would help the population surely.
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:35:12 AM No.82177619
>>82176705
People are jumping in on it for the clout. They know it's ragebait but willingly play along for the social currency. Liberal articles like the MSNBC one rightfully called out the ad as "meme stock" but still used language that could be construed as being 'triggered' by it. That's because the reaction to the ragebait puts eyeballs and clicks traffic and whatnot making it too lucrative for them to not care about it. It's the same deal to the fat chicks on tiktok pretending to make a fuss about it
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:46:13 AM No.82177710
>>82177570
that's called sexual selection and it's not quite the same. You aren't selecting for genes, you're selecting for phenotype or behaviours.

Doing that would still lead to people with illness and defects. These abnormalities are just that, out of the ordinary and results from flaws in DNA from irradiation, oxidizing, poor diet... and so on
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:51:18 AM No.82177745
>>82177710
still no evidence doe
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:56:28 AM No.82177796
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>>82177710
Being tall and attractive is genetic. Women pick tall and attractive guys, they are picking genes.
Sure, a tall guy and a tall woman could produce a manlet, but that is unlikely. There are abnormalities like that in every species.
But even then, that manlet would carry the genes for tall children, and if the manlet had siblings, it is likely they would be tall like their parents.

If every person below 6ft tall was killed off, and everyone above 6ft tall was forced to breed, then the human population would become 6ft tall and eventually even taller.
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:17:05 AM No.82177958
>>82177796
this simply isn't true. there are more factors involved in height than you are imagining.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:24:29 AM No.82178010
>>82176634 (OP)
I love that little game they play
>we're all equal unless we're superior to whites :)

And by "I love that" I mean "it's really fucking gay"
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:25:50 AM No.82178024
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>>82177475
>buhhh I'm going to pretend we're all inbreeding if we're not race mixing
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:06:59 AM No.82178329
>>82178024
who said that? she asked for evidence that selecting for quality can have unintended side effects
nobody thinks that dog and humans are the same
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:10:33 AM No.82178353
I love having blond hair and blue eyes. I feel really special when I walk around big cities and see 0 people who look like me.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:10:54 AM No.82178354
>>82176949
Well yeah it's no surprise niggers don't know the difference between jeans & genes, give them a chance their average IQ is 50
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:17:45 AM No.82178406
>>82178354
i think the key thing here is that it's percieved as a dog whistle

all they had to say was "wears our great jeans"
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:26:19 AM No.82178462
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>>82178406
>wears our great jeans
What, up her body covering her tits? Just because monkeys don't understand shit doesn't mean we should cater to their retarded monkey brains
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:29:22 AM No.82178483
Everything about White privilege is just a smokescreen to hide the fact that browns are envious of White beauty and innovation.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:30:40 AM No.82178494
>>82176949
non-Whites are super insecure so it set them off.
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:36:30 AM No.82178540
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>>82176634 (OP)
You ask 100 dudes, 25 white, 25 black, 25 asian, 25 latino, 99 percent of those dudes are going to fuck sydney over this wildebeest. Take adult honey boo boo and nia nacci, 99 percent of those dudes will pick nia nacci.
Why? Cause it is who is attractive and who isn't. This black buffalo is what makes men turn gay
>picrel
>nia nacci
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:38:47 AM No.82178554
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>>82178540
I would rather kill myself than fuck a black desu.
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:42:49 AM No.82178576
>>82178554
There ain't nothing wrong with that, but even racists would still fuck an attractive (insert race they're not attracted to) if it was paired against an ugly ass woman
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:43:44 AM No.82178579
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>>82178540
I can't stand to even look at a nigger let alone fuck one, even when I'm watching something I fast forward if a nigger starts talking.
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:47:15 AM No.82178597
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>>82176824
It was a good distraction to EPSTEIN
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 4:49:02 AM No.82178607
>>82177091
OH WOW EPSTEIN AGAIN WHY ARE LIMBERALS SO OBESEED ABOUT EPSTEIN
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:27:37 AM No.82178896
>>82176634 (OP)
>insecure poop balloon gives the middle finger to a picture
how embarrassing
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:28:59 AM No.82178904
>>82178579
based pedoracist
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:40:26 AM No.82178964
>>82177008
SHUDT UP ABOUT EPSTEIN ALREADY
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:49:15 AM No.82179024
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Why are you guys only asking for the Epstein files after Trump got elected?
They could have been released any time since 2019
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:51:14 AM No.82179044
>>82177091
Now show the polling about how much fox news viewers care about Epstein.
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:53:17 AM No.82179063
>>82179024
Because liberals want something to cling on to against Trump.
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 5:58:53 AM No.82179101
>>82179063
Why do people who never watched a trump speech or trump rally presume to know what he ran on, as if he was ending every speech with "release the list" like his crowds would chant "lock her up" or "build the wall".
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 6:17:23 AM No.82179197
>>82179024
That's a good question. More reason for Trump to release the Epstein Files really, those dumbocrats surely are hiding something me and my gran gran thinks so. But why won't Trump release the Epstein Files right now?
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 6:23:39 AM No.82179233
>>82179197
There is no lis t you moron, there is no pedophile ring stop talking aabout EPSTEIN
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 7:03:03 AM No.82179430
>>82176634 (OP)
Niggers, especially fat niggers are a special kind of narcissistic.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 7:12:37 AM No.82179487
>>82176634 (OP)
I have no idea what the big deal is about this. The only person making it about race is the black woman.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 7:16:51 AM No.82179508
>>82179233
I'm not the one who brought up Epstein dude chill I am just responding to the Epstein posts
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 7:46:07 AM No.82179686
>>82178579
Your attention has no value
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 7:48:38 AM No.82179699
>>82177055
>This Sydney Sweeney ad was a way to both subtly snub the American population for talking to much about Epstein, and to introduce a divisive fake controversy at the same time

MEDS. NO ONE CARES ABOUT EPSTEIN
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 7:50:00 AM No.82179709
>>82176634 (OP)
lmao black women are fucking insufferable
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 8:31:15 AM No.82179955
>>82179699
Calm down dawg you're the one that keeps bringing up this Epstein shit
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 8:52:28 AM No.82180104
>>82179197
So the answer as to why Biden didn't release the files is you saying "trump release the files why won't trump release the files?"
Is that the gist of your answer?
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 8:56:45 AM No.82180128
>>82180104
No he is saying "Trump release the files if you voted for Trump you are stupid why doesn't Trump do what I say?"
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 9:58:32 AM No.82180424
>>82180128
No the answer is THERE IS NO EPSTEIN LIST. Stop talking about the EPSTEIN LIST that Trump still won't release
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 10:01:43 AM No.82180441
>>82180424
That's cool and all but why won't Trump release the files?
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 10:12:30 AM No.82180500
>>82178607
Stand back and stand by patriots, Israel is in control.
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 10:13:31 AM No.82180507
>>82180441
Same reason Biden didn't. They're ALL implicated.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 10:20:29 AM No.82180536
>>82178494
As I grow older, how much the white race does make the brown turds seethe does become more apparent, and honestly I also think its justified because us whites really are just better. I mean without us this discussion could not even take place. Without brown people we would be lacking in what? Subpar music? Thats fine lol.
Honestly deep down I do think us whites and Asians should run the world and that probably is whats going to end up happening. Which is already true so I should say itll be acknowledged as such.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 10:22:45 AM No.82180548
>>82180441
Why didn't Biden huh?
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 10:24:13 AM No.82180555
>>82180548
Trump won't release the files because "why didn't biden huh"?
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 10:26:34 AM No.82180564
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>>82180500
Amen *blows shofar*
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 10:27:59 AM No.82180569
>>82180555
There are no Epstein files to release you moran
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 10:28:33 AM No.82180570
>>82176634 (OP)
What the fuck is a womxn?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 10:35:52 AM No.82180594
>>82176705
Shitlibs are butmad because they assume everyone is as subversive as they are. The beauty of irony is that it is impossible to tell.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 10:48:51 AM No.82180641
>>82177619
> It's the same deal to the fat chicks on tiktok pretending to make a fuss about it

Of course womxn are creatures who live on clout more than bread.

It makes sense that they would be willing participants in this farce to cover up for the Epstein Files
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 12:41:39 PM No.82181153
>>82176634 (OP)
leftists support eugenics like that poisonous vaccines of bill gates who makes flint michigan waterslop fake butter while sydney sweeney has nothing to do with eugenics. leftists support 6 gorrillion different ideologies and policies that support eugenics
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:29:02 PM No.82181650
>>82176634 (OP)
Why don't liberals ever cancel black people being racist like this black woman?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:33:39 PM No.82181668
>>82177710
Phenotypes are expressions of genotypes, dummy.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:43:25 PM No.82181732
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>>82179024
I have been asking since 2019. You just didn't think of me as "you guys" because you are a directionbrained faggot.

>>82179044
Over half of Republicans think the government is hiding the Epstein list.
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:48:14 PM No.82181759
>>82176634 (OP)
ash filled buckets?
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 2:53:00 PM No.82181791
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>>82179024
They hate Trump because he wants to make America great and they want to destroy it because the jews told them.
The sheer fact that they didn't seem to care about Epstein files when pedo biden had 4 years to release them shows/proves it's nothing but hate & misguided propaganda towards trump.. I mean they were pissed off & angry at trump because he wanted to stop hundreds of millions of dollars being sent to other countries for absolutely nothing other than a money laundering excersize for the jews to gobble up
..... Shit they even gave that money obama a noble peace prize even though he dropped bombs since World War 2 for suck sake
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Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:05:08 PM No.82181869
>>82176949
>so the reason people were mad over this is because they thought the ad was saying she had good genes because she was white?
Pretty much. I swear some people forgot ads (fashing ads especially) used to primarily just show hot men and women and not just fat slobs all the time. And because she's also white and blonde, they were able to dogwhistle Nazi eugenics messages over it as well, so they inflated a cheeky fashion ad into
>OMG This white bitch and her masters wants brownies to disappear.
It's just dumb current-year bullshit. Give it a week or two, and twitter fags will have already moved on to the next offensive thing to complain about
Anonymous
8/14/2025, 3:16:40 PM No.82181961
tranny
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>>82181791
*monkey obama
*dropped more bombs than any other country since WWII
That MONKEY GORILLA Obama also promoted transgender across the US & subsequently the world, getting it into schools & everywhere else shitting on everything that's good all because his husband mike likes to wear a skirt n call himself Michelle.
Faggots are the closest things to niggers when it comes to jews pets they control & manipulate into doing things that actively go AGAINST their interest because both are brain dead & retarded.