Early 20s sperg foid who recently joined the dating scene for the first time. I found a wonderful person who has treated me with nothing but respect and kindness. We have gone to dinners, had excursions, and we have even started watching a series at his apartment together.

The first time I went to his apartment, he tried to initiate sex. I stopped him and told him that I'm a virgin, and that I wouldn't do that with someone who hasn't even asked me out yet. When he didn't take the hint, I asked him plain and simple: am I your girlfriend? Are you my boyfriend?

He told me that it doesn't work that way, and that the typical thing is that two people just hang out, they like each other, they have sex, and things get serious from there or you break up.

Is this the norm? People don't formally ask each other to be your girlfriend/boyfriend? Am I wrong in feeling like this is weird? Is this common? Is this how it goes down in the dating world nowadays?

>>82178617 (OP)
It's probably common among sexoid normies

>foid getting pump and dumped by 'respectful' chad

>>82178617 (OP)
>is this the norm
People are generally retarded, uncaring and impulsive so yes its the norm nowadays. Doesnt mean you have to give in

>>82178617 (OP)
that is not normal, usually its after you are dating

he just wanted a relationship free fuck

don't let other retards on here convince you otherwise

>>82178617 (OP)
this is why i refuse to get into the dating scene because most moids only want to fuck straight away with no real commitment. i cant lose my virginity like this and neither should you

femanon, get the fuck outta there, hes not treating you with the kindness and respect you pretend he is. he will not give you comittment, hes buttering you up for sex. leave now and do not fuck this disgusting subhuman faggot moid

>>82178636
We didn't have sex. Literally wrote in the post that I stopped it from happening.

>>82178654
well worded and insightful post, basically this

>>82178657
this is the correct take here

I wouldn't say most moids, but there are definitely a few cunts out there that just use kindness and respect to get what they want. Just to leave after.

>>82178617 (OP)
From what I understand with zoomers, most zoomer relationships start from casual sex.

>>82178657
Most men would be happy to wait for sex IF the following things were true:

1. We didn't know most women are fucking other guys on the side.
2. We didn't know that not fucking a woman immediately is a good way to get rejected.
3. We didn't know that casual sex is the ONLY way to tell if a woman actually finds us attractive or is just leading us on.

Women created this environment and if they want to change it, they can. Blame yourselves.

>>82178657
lol shut the fuck up you retarded concern trolling cunt

>>82178668
well regardless, women have absolutely awful judgement so it's probably going to happen. you seem to think that a guy capable of reciting that spiel to you is "kind and respectful," so you're obviously mesmerized by his appearance which is the only thing that matters to whores and from there it's a gentle nudge to get you to take off your clothes and start being a whore in bed

>>82178657
Correct and based take.

>>82178617 (OP)
It's normal for normalfags. Don't do it if that's not the type of relationship you want. You can find someone who is serious and will wait.

>>82178617 (OP)
It's the norm with people who actually don't care for you. None of the nice things he has done to you has been out of love or wanting to see you happy, it's just been transactions for him, to get sex from you.
Do what you wish, but know that he does not care for you and only see you as someone to satisfy his sexual need.

>>82178696
as a zoomer, no I don't think they do

also victimizing is cringe

>>82178697
man you are seething. make up more scenarios in your head

>>82178617 (OP)
He just wants to pop your cherry and get his and then he'll dump you.

>>82178617 (OP)
You are right in wanting to clarify if he's willing to stay with you. Don't fall under pressure.

>>82178694
im probably exaggerating with "most" but it also depends on where you live and what the local dating scene is like, theres still a lot of men like this out there, its horrifying

>>82178696
sorry we cant control other women's actions, you cant act like this is the ops or my fault for how other women act. maybe if you treated us all as individual entities rather than "females" we wouldnt have these fucking issues

>>82178697
someones mad that im right

>>82178743
>sorry we cant control other women's actions, you cant act like this is the ops or my fault for how other women act. maybe if you treated us all as individual entities rather than "females" we wouldnt have these fucking issues

I can and will act like its your fault because... it is. Police yourselves. Police other women. And I don't really see the problem here, anyways. Most women ARE sleeping with other guys when they go out on dates with us and most women ARE happy to string men along in order to get what they want. I do treat women as individuals but just because they are individuals does not mean their behavior is impossible to predict.

If you don't like it, don't date, but as I said women set the rules for dating and sex so everything that happens in that arena is the fault of women as a collective. Again, blame yourselves.

>>82178775
Women are competing for Chad's attention. That's why they put out easy.

>>82178816
Correct because it is the party with less value in a transaction that has to compete and since Chad is rare and women who desire Chad are not, it means women have to compete. That means women have to have sex with Chad immediately because if they don't, another woman will. Again, however, this is the fault of women. They could go after other men but they choose not to.

>no kotonoha gf
Why even live
Anyways, your "bf" is using you for sex it seems. Jump ship now or face the consequences.

>>82178696
This. Its the culture. Its not about the sex itself, its what the sex communicates

Now if a woman is a virgin or NEVER engaged in casual sex of any kind (obviously pretty hard to verify), then its okay to wait a bit. But if she has a past of hooking up with men and refuses to do so with you, its a hard no.

>>82178730
>lngrep

>>82178617 (OP)
do not redeem the sex

>>82178617 (OP)
No he's just trying to use you. Once you put out he'll get board and move on.

>>82178617 (OP)
You need to leave r9k. The men here aren't going to help you. I'm not sure why you thought this was a good place to ask but it's not. You sound vulnerable and you should be careful out there. See if you can meet some women who you can trust, and some men you can trust, and ask them for advice rather than asking a bunch of bitter spergs on r9k

What she is describing is how it should be and what I find ideal. If my girl told me that then I would feel more comfortable with her and be more committed to her because it's just as special for me

>>82179405
You're projecting your only confirmed source of information (you) on the entire board of random people, just because you're a sperg with bad advice doesn't mean everyone is, little spergling.

>>82179569
Nah I am looking at the replies itt nigger
Yes I am a sperg but I'm not going to wilfully misguide people out of spite