Thread 82180327

"Heres my non-utilitarian philosophy, you can tell its a good philosophy becuse of all this utility it provides"

>>82180327 (OP)
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Dumb bro

Utilitarian - noun
"the doctrine that actions are right if they are useful or for the benefit of a majority."
"the doctrine that an action is right insofar as it promotes happiness, and that the greatest happiness of the greatest number should be the guiding principle of conduct."

I don't think every philosophy wants the maximal outcome for the majority.

Maybe what you're actually talking about is consequentialism or deontology or you're using the word utilitarian so vaguely that your point is obvious and didn't need to be made. The only people who would agree with your strawman would be people who misunderstood what they were saying.

>>82180327 (OP)
Communitarianism is distinct from utilitarianism in that it is not nearly as hedonistic as utilitarianism is, it supports the common good, even if it's unpopular.

>>82181127
I don't understand how they're different. They have the same goal of doing what's maximally good for the maximal amount of people. You can be utilitarian and unpopular. Seems like a conservative flavor of utilitarianism. If the popular opinion would lead to a negative outcome for the public then it would be utilitarian to ignore the popular opinion. Unless you have a practical reason to believe more harm would come from going against the popular opinion, in which case you're still utilitarian.

>>82181180
Because the way they gauge morality is inherently different even if they look the same. Utilitarianism is hinges upon the consequences of actions and creating maximum happiness, which naturally trends towards hedonism as a result. Whereas communitarianism is far more focused on the common good through shared values/rules/virtues and doing what is right even if it is not immediately gratifying. One focuses on the ends and the other the means, for instance take the famous refutation of utilitarianism where you have a group of people in need of organs and one fully healthy but depressed person. Pure utilitarinism states that the best solution would be to harvest the depressed man's organs and spread them throughout the group since that would increase overall happiness, while communitarianism would rebuke that seeing it as immoral and against the dignity of the depressed man.

>>82181259
Why is that a refutation though?

If the person is depressed and wants to unalive themselves, then we allow them do medically assisted suicide and take the organs. Everyone wins

>>82181300
Because a scenario like that is carefully curated to be as appealing as possible (kinda like the trolley problem where most would pull the lever to save many at the expense of one while most would not push one in front of a trolley to save many). Reality is never so clear-cut, what if the depressed person could be helped with treatment? People who are mentally ill are not considered in the right state of mind, giving them the choice of elective suicide is a very slippery slope. That's not even considering the fact that you would still end up with more net happiness if the healthy man didn't want to die and you killed him to harvest his organs anyway.

>>82181322
I mean like give him a chance at treatment, if it doesn't work, womp womp.

And I am not sure killing a healthy person who doesn't want to die to get organs to save others is a realistic scenario either. Because there already exists organ donors so you don't need to go after healthy people. And I am not exactly sure how would you weigh the harm of killing a healthy person to save someone who is not healthy and will have reduce quality of life anyway (or maybe even that organ isn't crucial for survival just for better quality of like). Though for example what imo would be a perfectly valid thing is that you don't get to opt out of organ donation if you die, you are dead anyway so you happiness doesn't matter really

>>82180327 (OP)
>Philosophy
lol
lmao even
You guys really think its a cure-all? A bandage that'll fix everything wrong with your life and make things right in the future?

t. Experiential Existantiolist
Nothing is true except what I've been through, and nothing works unless I've tested them in my exact situation that involves me and me alone against the world