Life isn't about what's natural or instinctual anymore. It's all about the rules of the game. Every single interaction you have is part of the game we've created as mutated apes. That fact is unacceptable to me and causes me suffering every day of my life. I'm unable to give up though because I'm a fighter. So I deal with the suffering as best I can in this degenerate world we live in and think about what once was and what could be if we only allowed nature and reason to dictate how we form our society

>>82202059 (OP)
That sucks to think about, but sometimes you just gotta go outside and appreciate stuff. In the same way it's all rules of the game, it is just another form of escapism, but at least this one gives you better health benefits and feelings from hormones.

>>82202059 (OP)
>devolve instead of transcend
grim

>>82202096
The worst part about going outside and appreciating nature is when it ends, and then you have to go back to the game full of dumb humans that think that believing something makes it true. How do you relate or reason with someone that lives in their own fantasy world and creates a space in their mind where logic and reason can't touch? And we live in a society where people like this are given the highest positions of power. How do you just accept this when you know humans are capable of so much more, but are blinded by emotion and arrogance? What happened to the great philosophers of old? We have devolved.

>>82202059 (OP)
Sometimes I wonder if it is totally 100% over and I should just give up and troon out or something.

The rules and the game itself are still driven by our instinct and nature. Literally everything we do and ever will do is "natural".

>>82202612
Honestly it's never 100% over but I believe it's up to the individual to decide how much suffering is worth living. I mean, if you were in a horrible accident that left you in pain for the rest of your life, is that really living?
>>82202622
>The rules and the game itself are still driven by our instinct and nature
No, the rules of the game are driven by our higher emotional state, which we have deluded ourselves into thinking is logical and natural. We think because we are able to feel deeper emotions than other animals that we are greater and no longer subsequent to the actions of our behaviors. We are barely a step above shit-flinging chimpanzees and think we are literally divine beings chosen by the universe or God to belong here. That is far from natural, and if you think it is, you have a lot to learn about life.

>>82202726
>higher emotional state
Yeah, that's literally a part of our instinct and nature, retard.
>We think because we are able to feel deeper emotions than other animals that we are greater and no longer subsequent to the actions of our behaviors
Who thinks that? Are there not international initiatives in place to literally mitigate the things we are fully aware we are causing?

Literally everything you have said is a natural process. Kek.

>>82202763
>Literally everything you have said is a natural process
No, it is an abstraction of natural process. Do other animals group up and create societies? Or do they live in harmony with their environment? At a certain point, humans developed a higher emotional state that made them "feel" like they were better than the other animals, and should "naturally" kill all that oppose them and become rulers of the entire planet. This is not natural as far as we have observed in the natural universe, because we have no other examples, so it's a matter of speculation. What we don't know could fill a mountain of books, but here we are, destroying our own planet and then arguing about these things that we invented called right and wrong when the reality is so blatantly or "naturally" obvious that we refuse to accept it because our emotions are so highly developed that we lose our sense of reason and logic. Just my thoughts. Don't really care to argue or care for emotional discussions in general

>>82202726
I don't beleive it's over by any stretch, not entirely at least, but when I say "over" I mean as in, that it doesn't even really matter, and I wouldn't be able to live life reasonably well as a man, but I don't know.

>>82202059 (OP)
that has basically always been the case outside of war or when people were living a nomadic lifestyle

>>82203249
The hard truth, anon, is that we are lucky to live at all. We make the best of what we are given. Even a miserable life is better than eternal blackness, unless that life is pure suffering. Because we are such emotional creatures, feeling empty or depressed can sometimes feel like pure suffering, but I believe it's up to the individual to decide how much of that is worth tolerating to enjoy the gift of life. Don't ever listen to anyone that tells you otherwise. It's your life, not theirs.
>>82203283
So we are currently living somewhere in the middle of those two extremes? I feel like sometimes I crave war and sometimes I crave being isolated from society. Finding balance or the middle ground is hard for me. Do you have any advice for someone like that?

>>82203302
My advice is to stop being a faggot.

>>82203306
Any original advice?

>>82202147
>devolve instead of transcend
sums up our evolutionary timeline

>>82202059 (OP)
It sucks that it exists and it's good to be aware, but we don't have to play by those rules, screw them

>>82203456
We have to play by those rules. We are animals and animals don't survive alone, not for long.