Thread 82226778

For the purpose of this post the word "leftist" includes social progressives, egalitarians, socialists/communists etc.

The main driver of leftist/progressive psychology is low self-esteem. This is why women, racial minorities, and LGBTQ people tend to be more left-leaning than their counterparts (men, Whites, and heterosexuals). These groups resent their more successful counterparts which causes their ideological beliefs (there are almost certainly other causes for these specific groups but a lack of self-esteem is a major one.)

This low self-esteem causes progressive egalitarian beliefs. There's decent evidence of genetic differences in races when it comes to intelligence and behavior, same with genders and physical robustness and interests. The leftist is completely averse to these facts because it supports the notion of natural hierarchies (i.e. whites are born smarter than blacks on average), and because the leftist has low self-esteem, they seek to destroy hierarchies where present. They sympathize with the lower groups due to their low self-esteem.

For an example of this, you may have seen women proudly showcasing their misandry, mainly in the form of accusing men of being more violent than women (true fact). However, the average women would never say this about racial minorities compared to whites because racial minorities are "lower than whites on the hierarchy" while men are above women.

This post is already long enough so I'll cut it here and follow up if I remember anything important.

>left/right shitpost
>posting ted next to it
ngmi

The sad thing is he didn't even use AI to write this, but it still came out as slop.

>>82226795
Because he explained the problems with leftist psychology in the first section of his manifesto

>>82226807
Cry tranny

>>82226778 (OP)
>people take over ideologies that align withtheir interests

No shit Sherlock. Why would someone being lower in traditional hierarchy support it anyway? You xall it low self esteem, but why should someone who dont profit from existing hierarchy support it? Because its natural? Everything is natural, even rebelion. If it can be torn down, it mean that it outlived its natural phase.

There are some washed up people (who are actually considered and are principled), but outside opportunism in form of virtue signaling or perceived shared interest with liwer groups (tearing down existing hierarchy), most of them dont give a fuck. Or they are actually inclined to egalitarism and hate hyerarchies.

>>82226937
>Why would someone being lower in traditional hierarchy support it anyway?
Because it's just the order of the world. I'm White and I have no problem with acknowledging Asians higher IQ.

>Everything is natural, even rebelion.
You spelled rebellion wrong but that's actually another trait of leftists. They want to rebel but they're too weak, so they find problems to complain about (i.e. police being racist when there's plenty of evidence to the contrary).

>If it can be torn down, it mean that it outlived its natural phase.
Well it can't. The gender interest gap is larger in more egalitarian countries, and we've been giving racial minorities handouts for years to no avail.

>>82226937
>>82227206
pathetic attempt at samefagging, boooring

>>82227218
>incoming cope about photoshop or inspect or two devices

>>82227206
Im not a leftist, i consider taking any ideology too seriously and identifying wit it retarded, as they are simplistic explanations for complexity of the world. But english is not my first language and im phoneposting.

>muh IQ

Nobody cares. Its a measurment, nit hierarchy, because nobody care or would subject himself to other person/race because muh IQ.

>they are too weak
>it cant

How? Big part of discourse on the trad right is how they destroyed western society, to me it seems they are quite sucessfull.

Larger interest gap is not a sign of strong hierarchy but a weak, transitional one

>>82227218
Im not OP, faggot

>>82226937
You should support it, because it gives value to serve something greater than yourself, even if it causes personal suffering.

>>82227703
>nobody cares about IQ
Yeah let's pretend that it's meaningless despite all evidence to the contrary.

>they are too weak
To rebel against society in a legitimate way (i.e. murdering someone). The leftist form of rebelling is complaining about imaginary problems.

>>82227723
I dont feel it giving me any value. I may dont feel the need, or didnt find the right greater then myself thing, but dunno what it could be as I find all of them retarded, at least to a degree.

>>82226778 (OP)
PLEASE remove yourself and go back to /pol/. Leftoids and rightoids are absolute normalfag low intelligence goyslop. There should only be the elite who run the world vs the average person but we are so obsessed over this stupid left vs right shit that they created to keep us from seeing the real issue

>>82227757
I changed the world as much with this post as Uncle Ted did by chimping out.

>>82227765
>I may dont
good morning saar

>>82227766
What's the "real issue"? I hate when people say this, there are 1000 real issues

>>82227819
The real issue is that we are pigs set out for slaughter. The elite control our finances, our choices, what we learn, what we feel, and what we see. And it does not matter if you are left or right. All the ones at the top secretly love eachother and are all in a club which the average person like you and me will never be able to access. We are pawns on a chess board. Left vs right are the pawns but all the others are on the same team

>>82227757
It measures inteligence, so its usefull for that. But worshipping IQ is meaningfull only in context of techno-industrial society.

>legitimate way
Kek. Legitimate way is the one that works. And apperantly it do, as even right is starting using those methods.

>>82227819
none of the top 10,000 real issues have anything to do with left/right ideology or class consciousness slop. most real issues are boring and have nothing to do with "muh beliefs" or bullshit semantic arguments, they have to do with real, objective tradeoffs where some people have to lose and some people may win.

>all american politicians are far right wing fascists!
>no, american institutions are far left socialist hellholes!
these concepts LITERALLY do not matter in the real world.

>>82227766
>the elite who run the world vs the average person but

Partly true, but a lot of those average people would fuck you over or try to enforce their delussions onto you if they got power. Even if the elite is overthrown, the new bunc of fuckers will take their place.

>>82227799
Im a slav not a street shitter

>>82227944
its not about overthrowing, it's about acknowledging your place in the hierarchy and that they are also just human. in the past, wars were fought between groups of people who fundamentally lived different lives and often looked very different in general. now, you're being convinced to fight someone who has practically the same life and set of circumstances as you do, only because you were brainwashed to "believe" in side A instead of side B of the same advertisement about trans rights or housing affordability. in effect, it's the same destabilizing force that the US had in South America and the Middle East, and it doesn't end well for average people on either side.

>>82228061
>or housing affordability
yeah that's just a nothingburger issue, for sure! NOBODY AKSHUALLY cares about the cost of houses!

>>82227925
So leftists trying to free violent criminals and defund the police isn't a real problem caused by political division? Fucking idiot.

>>82226778 (OP)
>The main driver of leftist/progressive psychology is low self-esteem
not really, main driver of all ideology is life conditions. ideology is a theoretical articulation of a given group's conditions of life, and their subsequent interests.
>resent their more successful counterparts which causes their ideological beliefs
no, both result independently (though can be linked) from their societal position. you can have leftists who don't resent privileged groups (eg, principled communists), and people who resent privileged groups but aren't leftists (eg, black supremacists)
this also takes as a given that there are more or less successful "groups", either putting it up to chance or innate qualities
>decent evidence of genetic differences in races when it comes to intelligence and behavior
care to share it?
>The leftist is completely averse to these facts because it supports the notion of natural hierarchies
I'm not averse to them, I just believe they're better explained by other means. it makes perfect sense to me that IQ correlates with socioeconomic status, because not having access to education means you're not being taught and trained in things like pattern recognition, something IQ tests measure. we aren't all born at the same level and then rise or fall to our "natural state", we're born at a given level and that affects what and how we think.
>you may have seen women proudly showcasing their misandry
which is of course wrong, and ignores the real world causes of patriarchal structures. this is common in liberal circles because they ignore economic factors, which are key to understanding why society is how it is, and how it can be changed for the better
(cont.)

>>82226778 (OP)
I learned something about psychology recently that pertains to this quite a bit.

If you can do things, you're okay with a system that requires things to be done. If you can't do things, that system is a major problem for you.

For example, if you can come to work reliably and meet productions quotas, you won't have a problem with the job. But, if you can't come to work and you can't meet quotas, you will have a problem with the job.

This is why leftist are always about "being someone good" as opposed to "doing something good".

It was better when Uncle Ted wrote it.

>>82228554
>care to share it?
Any transracial adoption study, MAOA gene distribution

>we aren't all born at the same level and then rise or fall to our "natural state"
Wilson Effect

>patriarchal structures
Name some. Males are probably more violent because of genetics, no one disagrees with this.

>IQ correlated with socioeconomic status
Smh where do I begin, even if most of the variation in IQ is due to environment and only about 40% is genetic then that would still have an impact between groups.

Frankly I'm bored of arguing and busy right now so I apologize for the out of order and short responses

>>82228554
>mainly in the form of accusing men of being more violent than women (true fact)
yes, this is true, but it's because men are more mentally ill and don't get help due to gender expectations, they're more likely to be breadwinners, therefore turning to crime and therefore being incarcerated, and they're taught by society that they're a failure if they don't act in such and such a way
>However, the average women would never say this about racial minorities compared to whites because racial minorities are "lower than whites on the hierarchy" while men are above women.
average libshit maybe, but recognising violence and crime levels is just the first step to understanding why they're like that, which leads to studying socioeconomic factors, which leads to seeking systemic economic change, which libshits do not want.
>>82227723
>it gives value to serve something greater than yourself, even if it doesn't give you value
right got it
>>82227766
>left advocates abolition of class society
>right advocates its maintenance
>"guys it's not about left vs right its about top vs bottom"
if by "left" you mean the controlled opposition in your country then sure, but the actual left position is literally what you just wrote
>>82227872
it's good you recognise the two party system is a farce, because it is. but I think what you understand as "left" is different from what the left itself understands. the left is against both main parties because they're really one party with two faces, both of which are owned by the ruling class
>>82227925
>some people have to lose and some people may win
it is drilled into our heads that there simply isn't enough to go around, and that's why poverty exists, when that is complete and utter bullshit. the UK (where I live) retail sector throws away 200,000 tonnes of food each year, mostly because it's a day over its expiration date, or it's been dropped or something. None of that has to do with its edibility, just its saleability.

>>82228643
I agree he could explain it much better than me

>>82228706
>but it's because men are more mentally ill
It's actually probably due to sexual dimorphism. Not everything has to be le society fault

>but recognising violence and crime levels is just the first step to understanding why they're like that, which leads to studying socioeconomic factors
Muh socioeconomics

>>82226937
>Why would someone being lower in traditional hierarchy support it anyway? You xall it low self esteem, but why should someone who dont profit from existing hierarchy support it? Because its natural? Everything is natural, even rebelion. If it can be torn down, it mean that it outlived its natural phase.
You really make a good argument for rape

>>82228706
>>left advocates abolition of class society
Lmao no they dont. Leftists (except Marxist-Rodgerists) love hierarchies.

>>82226778 (OP)
>permanently vilifies a based ideology with murder
thanks Ted

>>82226937
Because hierarchies that align with the natural order are good. And by nature I don't mean the wilderness but truth. As long as we live in a differentiated world there will be superior and inferior, the question is by what do you measure superior and inferior? Do you measure it by natural order, that those who are most the most virtuous are also the highest status, or do you measure it by untruth, that those who are the richest materially, those that are the most cut throat, have the highest status? In this sense I understand where the sentiment from leftists come from, they see that the greediest are also the highest status and think that's wrong, which they are correct about, but the solution isn't to get rid of inequality, which isn't possible, but to reorient the hierarchies in society towards natural order.

>>82226795
If you actually read Ted you would know he covers the problem with this line of thinking very early on

>>82227766
Why do you support unaccountable experts running the world?

>>82228156
They don't, or else they would be removing the red tape behind new developments or relocating to areas that are cheaper.

>>82228316
1. you fell for literally one of the dumbest memes in history. you might as well say that right wing fascists are trying to exterminate all the working class and disabled people, caused by political division.

2. you can have a local, serious conversation about the size of the police budget and law enforcement policy. it will almost never be defined by how "left" or "right" you are. leftism would historically encourage a larger government i.e. a larger police budget and more government intervention.

>>82229101
Yeah have any of these retards actually listened to or read his stuff? He explicitly begins with the problem with leftist psychology because it helps explain other parts of society. He doesn't like conservatives but he acknowledges the existence of these groups.

>>82228988
The ideology required murdrr anyway so who cares ?
>inb4, we can actually feed 8 billion people through hunting and gathering!

>>82229128
or you're retarded and can't comprehends the simple fact that if you OWN a home you bought in the 1990s you want the price to go up

and that people who DO NOT OWN a home want the price to go down and they don't want to live in the ghetto

>>82226778 (OP)
this is just a wordy adhom. what a waste of time

>>82229197
>a larger police budget and more government intervention.
We wouldnt need that if we just genocided all niggers
It would cost much less in the long term, very good for the planet

>>82229251
anon doesn't know what adhom is, sad!

>>82229251
Cope faggot

>>82229253
Or just deported them to Africa and cut all help to Africa. They won't make shit and libs will cry out even though we'd have significantly less crime and national debt. They get an ethnostate which benefits them because they don't have to be around us, although they're parasitic (mainly because they're promiscuous and want access to different races of females and want tax dollars in welfare to go to them) so they'd probably prefer to stay in White countries.