Thread 82243642

>lost my ex gf in April because I criticized terminally radfems hating men online
>grieve for 2 months
>start meeting new people
>my worldview gradually starts to shift
>get interested in civil rights
>read feminist literature
>realize the patriarchy isn't just about violence and rape, but it involves enforcing a strict binary system that affects negatively men as much as women on a subconscious level
>mfw I'm a victim of patriarchy myself because I was ostracized and bullied for being the quiet kid
>mfw figured out radfems (not the misandrists) are actually my allies in the battle against social discrimination and sexual exploitation

>>82243642 (OP)
maybe
or maybe you just are such a cuck you believe feminist tripe
hey, what do you think about animal rights?

>>82243642 (OP)
The traditional gender roles system is primarily enforced and rewarded by women so calling it a patriarchy is laughable. It's yet another example of women refusing to take any responsibility for the bullshit they do.

>>82243836
>The traditional gender roles system is primarily enforced and rewarded by women so calling it a patriarchy is laughable
Who's teaching them to enforce the roles? Who hold the highest authority? Men. It's the patriarchy.

>>82243642 (OP)
Bait but it's kinda based regardless.

>>82243843
>Who hold the highest authority? Men.
Maybe in Afghanistan but not in the west no. Here the mother holds much more power in the family unit. The husband mostly submits to her whims and works for her.

>>82243853
>but not in the west no.
Who runs the vast majority of the industries? Who runs the government? Men. Screw your dumb strawman.

>>82243642 (OP)
>read feminist literature
>realize the patriarchy isn't just about violence and rape, but it involves enforcing a strict binary system that affects negatively men as much as women on a subconscious level
Obviously never happened, but I'll bite. Feminists demonstrably do not give a shit about men's problems, even treating discussion of them with contempt, and vague statements like "men are harmed by patriarchy too" just mean "it would benefit you to support us" without clarification.

>>82243882
>Feminists demonstrably do not give a shit about men's problems
The "feminists": terminally online femcels spewing misandry on socials

>>82243642 (OP)
>>realize the patriarchy isn't just about violence and rape, but it involves enforcing a strict binary system that affects negatively men as much as women on a subconscious level
This is a symptom of snake oil - that it cures (or in this case explains) everything.

>>82243858
Do you sincerely believe the average Karen is a retarded chadsexual bully because of muh government? They just follow what other women do and their own biology. They pressure each other to sleep with the best men. When they divorce they get the kids and the money. If all women suddenly decided to have sex with short men there would be cosmetic surgeries for men to shorten their legs. You have no idea how much influence female sexual selection has on men. They literally decide if you get to have sex and reproduce or not. What more power do they need? Women can end your entire bloodline and they have the audacity to call that "the patriarchy". What a joke.

>>82243642 (OP)
Some of them are fine but most devolve into man hating and clearly have no idea how to enact their goals besides spewing shit that the average person assumes is just misandry.

>>82243904
>They just follow what other women do and their own biology.
The biology you're talking about is made up and enforced culturally. Gender binaries are culturally defined, the patriarchal mindset acts on a subconscious level and influences subtly women to select the most aggressive and unreliable traits in men. It's men over and over again, men who want to make up a sexual elite and exclude other men from sexual selection. Men imposed this system to prevent women from reacting to whatever oppression they faced. Liberal feminism is a distortion of the real feminist movement and promotes sexual exploitation through a man-made medium (porn and OF).

>moid larp fantasies: hi femanon here ohh anon ohhh fuck me while my little sister gives you a rimjob and you nurse my mom's tit's while your mom gives my mom a rimjob
>foid larp fantasies: hi maleanon here. what if i was capable of critical thought and personal growth? wouldn't that be cool?

>>82243935
>>foid larp fantasies: hi maleanon here. what if i was capable of critical thought and personal growth? wouldn't that be cool?
I'm a biological man lol

>>82243888
Offline feminists are just as bad.

>>82243941
It's all part of a social conditioning scheme to get people to be like "Wow schizo is it really that hard to imagine that reformed incels are so hard to come by? Everyone can grow kinder and more aware, it's not impossible, pshh" so that hope, resilience and progress becomes the norm instead of an unattainable ideal or uncommon fluke. Sshhhh

>>82243929
Even if you somehow believe that female sexual selection is subtly manipulated by a sexual elite of powerful men (I don't), that still doesn't change the simple fact that the woman is the one who decides if you get to reproduce or not. She holds that reponsibility, that choice is hers. The average man doesn't have any choice. So the average woman/mother has more power than the average man/father in this system and more influence on her children. Calling it a patriarchy is just a really bad joke that feminists came up with. Feminists don't care about you and me, they just want even more power than they already have. They're so neurotic they want to censor your porn and your video games. It's ridiculous. Men aren't the ones responsible for the whole mastercard bullshit. Women are. Feminists. They're absolutely insufferable and I genuinely despise them.

>>82244014
Feminism is not "kindness", it is female power. Support for late-term abortion cannot be explained in terms of kindness. "Believe women" means "abolish due process". Women own more, work less, live longer, are given preferential treatment in selection, hiring etc.

>>82243843
>Who's teaching them to enforce the roles?
Other women
>Who hold the highest authority?
God

>>82243642 (OP)
>Believes everything that he reads uncritically
You were never going to make it, were you?

>>82244070
>is subtly manipulated by a sexual elite of powerful men
It is
>Feminists don't care about you and me, they just want even more power than they already have. They're so neurotic they want to censor your porn and your video games.
Porn sexually exploits women
>Men aren't the ones responsible for the whole mastercard bullshit
Who owns mastercard?

>>82244107
>Porn sexually exploits women
They can find a proper job like most other people do

>>82244076
>Women own more, work less, live longer, are given preferential treatment in selection, hiring etc.
And they have to fear getting raped, killed or verbally abused if they refuse the advances of their bosses. So privileged innit?

>>82244138
Men are raped, killed and verbally abused more often, and those are not structural issues in the first place.

>>82244152
>Men are raped, killed and verbally abused more often
Do they get raped by their bosses at work? Do they get raped on the streets?

>>82243642 (OP)
>try to tell ex that I've changed my worldview
>she's dating a conservative gymbro now
many such cases

>>82244107
>Who owns mastercard?
Who founded Collective Shout?

>>82244161
Moving the goalposts are we?

>>82244107
>Who owns mastercard?
The board of directors, which is chaired by a woman.

>>82243642 (OP)
Feminists might have had some valid point in the past, but modern day feminists are just plain crazy.

>>82244202
the company is not owned by a woman. The CEO of Mastercard is Michael Miebach, a man

>>82244229
The CEO is the Chief Executive Officer, not the owner.

>>82244248
And the CEO has executive powers while the shareholders (mostly men) ultimately own the company

Patriarchy isn't real. Gynocentrism is though.

>>82244279
>muh gynocentrism
yeah a society where women are asked to shut up when rape occurs is gynocentric

>>82244076
>And they have to fear getting raped, killed or verbally abused if they refuse the advances of their bosses
Lmao no they do not. You get shitcanned immediately today if you try pulling any shit with a female coworker. And you're legally required to hire a load of them despite them being shit and a complete minefield of potential sexual harassment suits.

>>82244295
>You get shitcanned immediately today if you try pulling any shit with a female coworker.
Unless you're the boss in which case you can fuck as many women as you wish and no one will speak out. This shit is still going on in hospitals, you're an idiot if you deny it.

>>82244290
A society where women have powers of divorce and abortion is the definition of gynocentrism. Even if you ignore that those things have to be granted them by men, and their continuance is reliant on the permission of men, those things exist solely for the benefit of women.

>>82244273
The board of directors represents the shareholders and it is chaired by a woman, Merit Janow. Whether "most" shareholders are men or not, there is no obstacle in the way of women becoming shareholders except their own risk-aversion.

>>82244317
>A society where women have powers of divorce and abortion is the definition of gynocentrism
no it's not, women do not lead countries even when they're prime ministers because the majority of people who still pull the strings are men
>Whether "most" shareholders are men or not, there is no obstacle in the way of women becoming shareholders except their own risk-aversion
Most shareholders are men, female leadership is still an exception to the rule

>>82244076
Sybau small minded "ACKshully"ing Chud

Kindness is not niceness. Compassion sometimes means momentary ruthlessness, the destruction of another system, tradition, or being for the greater good of a being or community more aligned with kindness if given the opportunity to thrive instead of thrash about in survival and defensiveness. Fuck out of here with your nuancelet claims

Jew-ish generalizations from the perspective of corporate corruption. Breadcrumbs from HR (not even realistic because you have no experience within the corporate world or you wouldn't shit out such hallucinatory talking points. HR works to protect the interests of the company. Women are not coddled as much as they are silenced or forced into "mutual compromise" that looks like being threatened with termination if they don't just learn to accept that some ass squeezes from your superiors come with the territory if you want to be a part of the team), even if they were as prevalent as you're insisting, do not make up for shit. I don't want fairier pay I want the corpo dogs roasted on pikes. Your fallacies would be shitty even if you were talking to some Zioncattle whose highest aspiration is be eligible for the Mars colony ticket lottery but you're not. Waste the time of someone masochistic or misguided enough to entertain your recycled, regurgitated, gurgling retardation, lil bitch

>>82244329
>no it's not, women do not lead countries even when they're prime ministers because the majority of people who still pull the strings are men
Here in the UK about 40% of MPs are women, so does it become a matriarchy if they cross the 50% threshold? Might we flip between a patriarchy and matriarchy every 5 years in the future?
>Most shareholders are men, female leadership is still an exception to the rule
Here's a guide to becoming a shareholder:
Open an account on some investment platform.
Buy a few Mastercard shares.
And you're done! Should we start forcing women to invest more so as to make society less patriarchal?

>>82244329
>no it's not, women do not lead countries even when they're prime ministers because the majority of people who still pull the strings are men
You're talking out of your ass. Executives of a nation are always beholden to their advisors and cabinet. There should be no women in government even in advisory roles but there are - Sue Gray ran Keir Starmer's government until the media managed to force her out for being a terrorist sympathiser. See also Madeleine Albright or Hillary Clinton single handedly trying to destroy the middle east.

I don't know why I'm bothering with you because you're clearly some retarded teenager who doesn't know anything about this. Go back to ovarit.

>>82244364
For the fucksake of good faith the "kindness" was speaking from a gestalt vision of mass enlightment of the general populace which may or may not manifest as bitter ex bfs reconsidering their ideology from a lens of humility and curiosity. Again, if you can't even grasp the context before rocking up with your NPC unsolicited opinion you're not worth the Shakespearian labor of my derision

>>82244368
>Here in the UK about 40% of MPs are women, so does it become a matriarchy if they cross the 50% threshold? Might we flip between a patriarchy and matriarchy every 5 years in the future?
It becomes a "matriarchy" the moment we uproot the culture of patriarchal oppression on which men and women still operate today
>Sue Gray ran Keir Starmer's government until the media managed to force her out for being a terrorist sympathiser. See also Madeleine Albright or Hillary Clinton single handedly trying to destroy the middle east.
Even when these women act with the full authority of their office, the culture around them can force them into a kind of compliance and they must operate in ways that are palatable to a male-dominated system or risk being vilified, scapegoated, or marginalized.

>>82244364
Your word salad seems to roughly translate to:
>Just because we get all the benefits after fighting for exactly that doesn't mean we got what we want!!! Jew!!!
Feminism is not anti-capitalism and anti-capitalism has no prospects.

>>82244395
>It becomes a "matriarchy" the moment we uproot the culture of patriarchal oppression on which men and women still operate today
You cannot even articulate the characteristics of such a culture that corresponds to reality.

>>82244395
>>82244395
>Even when these women act with the full authority of their office, the culture around them can force them into a kind of compliance and they must operate in ways that are palatable to a male-dominated system or risk being vilified, scapegoated, or marginalized.
Lol like when Hillary Clinton unilaterally tried to start a third world war and got to run for president with the entire media apparatus backing her for her troubles? Retard.

>>82244409
>You cannot even articulate the characteristics of such a culture that corresponds to reality.
you're living in it

>>82244413
>Lol like when Hillary Clinton unilaterally tried to start a third world war and got to run for president with the entire media apparatus backing her for her troubles? Retard.
War is exactly what the elites dominated by men desire

>>82244421
Why are you making it sound like things that benefit men don't also benefit women?

>>82244398
Your illiteracy does not make you a very good translator. Never did I equate and minimize my personal ideology to feminism. Nice dodge not acknowledging how *your* own hasty misattribution as directly equated to kindess of my mere mention of kindness within a thread where OP serves as one example among exhaustive that would constitute a kinder and more honorable direction for our species, you gargantuan triplenigger.

>>82244421
>War is exactly what the elites dominated by men desire
The first feminist literally campaigned for men to join WWI.
Retard.

>>82244421
And Hilary Clinton wanted to be taken seriously by "the old boy network" with her blood lust
She wanted to prove women could bomb Iran just as much as men

>>82243642 (OP)
Too bad all Radfems are misandrists

>>82245104
>And Hilary Clinton wanted to be taken seriously by "the old boy network" with her blood lust
>Whenever a woman acts in a way contary to my narrative it due to men.
God forbid women take accountability for their own actions.

>>82244137
Women are often scouted on the streets before they even hit 18, telling them they can make tons of money for limited work, they go after vulnerable children and promise them the world. They have them sign contracts selling their bodies before they even have a chance to understand the gravity of it.
If you were a young person who was offered tons and tons of money to just have sex, you likely would have taken it. They frame everything to seem as if it's such a good opportunity.

>>82245504
Back when I was 16, much like many people my age, I was worrying about my long term future, thinking about what I'd want to study and what I'd do after graduating.

Nice story foid. You know how obvious it is?

Men are discriminated against in every aspect of society. We are discriminated in politics, jobs, hiring, social issues, reproductive rights, literally everywhere. Anywhere you'll tell me "women are discriminated" I will show you the real statistics that say the opposite (and are actually true; based on statistics, not on wishful thinking and buzzwords).

0.0001% top men having most power does not deny this fact. Retard.

>>82243642 (OP)
What radical feminist books would you recommend reading?

>>82245840
"Why does the Patriarchy Persist?"

>>82243642 (OP)
You're cucking yourself. Join us instead. When we win you'll have your state-provided wife who will be legally your property.

>>82246384
Ewwwww, get that foid away from me.
Robo-waifu's or bust

Bahahaha what a fucking cuck bitch

mfs be like the patriarchy isn't real but as soon there's a thread asking about what their father is like barely any replies of them have loving father's

>>82246707
Lmao so true most incels have Stockholm Syndrome

>>82243642 (OP)
a lot of feminists are men's allies.
a lot of feminists are not men's allies.
feminism is a vague term, which anyone can claim.

>>82246707
That just internalized matriarchy, keeping our fathers down

>>82243642 (OP)
Imo there's plenty to criticize radfems for, though I've seen people here get retarded about it. Like the people that call it based when trannies attack women or try to lump in radfem troon criticism with "they just hate men", two separate issues. Troons being men doesn't invalidate the reasonable disgust one would experience having such things around them, it'd be like getting annoyed about a pedophile in a playground because the pedo was a man too. Fixation on the man part and ignoring the details surrounding it.