Thread 82410477

You guys love anti immigration sentiment, but when it comes to jobs immigrants do, such as Roofing, Construction, Farm work, and Lawn services, it seems like you prefer working anything but that. How do you reconcile that?

>>82410477 (OP)
this argument never made sense because yes that twitter faggot would probably never work construction but there's plenty of natives who will

>>82410477 (OP)
The majority of construction jobs in America are still held by white men btw.

>>82410477 (OP)
100% of the time posts like that are a self report.

>>82410520
except they don't. the argument is that they want higher wages to work construction, but then they just work other, easier jobs whenever minimum wage is increased. immigration as a solution to labor shortages is literally a tale as old as time, every country in every civilization had to do it whenever things started getting better and the children of native born citizens were raised to be "above" manual labor.

>>82410477 (OP)
We want to work those jobs but the corpos don't want to pay us a living wage so they hire immigrants and illegals to cut down costs and wages.

>>82410520
>plenty
>white guys with stories about applying to work in a retail store: 500,000,000
>white guys with stories about meeting with a foreman: 0

>>82410623
Since stories we saw on reddit count as evidence, I have seen plenty of people there say they dont get hired on construction. looks like you lost.

>>82410477 (OP)
White people want to have their cake and eat it too. Nothing new. Since whites are descended from indo-aryans they have that same Uber caste system mentality that brown indo-aryans have. Its like white people all view themselves as high caste Brahmin who are simply above doing such base manual labor. But at the same time they can't stand having brown people and their cultures anywhere near them so without a system of literal slavery they are caught in an unsolveable dilemma where they need brown's to do the shit work but they don't want browns to live near them thus preventing browns from doing the shit work.

All of this could be avoided if they were either a bit more tolerant or checked their ego enough to do the shit work themselves. But they can't because they are incapable of introspection or change.

>>82410593
Has nothing to do with corpos. Even communist China and the USSR had to rely on migrant labor. If you raise education standards or have any improvement in quality of life locally, people stop working those jobs.

>>82410477 (OP)
Literally no one is complaining about latinos, I just hate jeets for infesting every single sector of society and breeding like cockroaches.

>>82410477 (OP)
I don't want immigrants doing any of those jobs, because they'd do it at a far sub-par standard which is extremely dangerous and contributes to the downfall and degradation of my society, turning it more into a third world country like the ones they come from. In fact, I don't want non-Europeans to perform any jobs at all in Europe, ever, because it's not safe.

>>82410638
Lost what? I have never heard of one of these soft white retards actually talking about trying to work a job in construction, because you get hired immediately. You could argue that there is a massively wide spectrum between what you would consider unacceptable or exploitative to the kinds of cushy project manager jobs that white people do often get, but you're just not a serious person if you think it's hard to get the kind of job that illegal migrants just walk into without the language, skills, documents, or education.

>>82410477 (OP)
I am a professional lawn serviceman though I just got out home from work (4:57 pm, I leave for work 5:30 am) and I work tomorrow. dubs checked.

All those jobs would pay twice as much without mass immigration.

>>82410730
If people cared about getting paid twice as much they would have learned to code.

>>82410477 (OP)
we would for the right price and in the right working conditions. this is just a veiled capitalist dick sucking argument. sickening. and it comes from "leftists", give me a fucking break

>>82410743
They did. Computer science has one of the worst degree to unemployment ratios

Those jobs used to pay more before the glut of scab labor. Do you think we have the memory of a goldfish OP?

>>82410774
"Computer science" degree doesn't mean you learned to code.

>>82410730
JFL at this bullshit. If all jobs paid twice as much then you would also have to pay twice as much for stuff.

>>82410743
Normies can't learn to code, because it can't be learned by repetition. The "learn to code" meme, with high coding salaries despite it, should've made that clear by now.

>>82410815
Normies can't do physical labor either

>>82410776
How do the North Koreans do it? I bet they get paid a lot!

>>82410661
People stop working those jobs in communist nations because of you're getting paid the same for anything you do, why not do the easy work? Pay us enough to afford a family and home and we'll do those jobs

>>82410827
They literally can. What you mean is they don't want to, which is fair. But they would if they had to. Coding is different, they can't learn it.

No one is saying "I can't learn to code" but it is obvious that there's many people out there who are happy when they believe (mistakenly) that software devs are replaced by AI, and that the high market price reflects a shortage that is not being resolved by everyone trying to learn to code.

>>82410848
i paid enough for someone to afford a family and home and he did the job, but the only people who were willing to do the job were immigrants. a lot of them have like 4-5 kids.

>>82410477 (OP)
Im anti immigration because the first time a bunch of people moved here they brought diseases, jewish greed and acted like the land was their right. Everyone that looked like me was replaced by a bunch of narcissistic pale inbreds that think theyre perfect, all of the lands desecrated, cultures and languages forgotten. And then they brought in every other race to act like they belong here too.

>>82410477 (OP)
How did western countries make buildings and grow crops for the 2000 years before mass immigration then?

>>82410868
>replaced by AI
meme. it's like being replaced by excel. tech companies can be leaner but there are also an infinite number of problems that tech can solve.

i was just talking about incentives. high pay doesn't really matter to people if the overall culture is anti-work. every western teenage kid is thinking about athletes, entertainers, influencers, crypto, gambling, entrepreneurs, etc. and almost 0.0000% of them are learning traditional home ec, manual labor, how to make something. When I was in Seattle they had a period of time where starting salary for plumbers was advertised as 100k and they still couldn't find enough plumbers for a few years. Many/most of the software engineers making 300k+ were coming from India and Russia. If I went to a party almost every local guy was trying to become a "businessman" or real estate agent, nothing actually in demand.

>>82410903

less industry and more young people.

industry creates highly productive jobs that compete with other jobs for labor. this is why rich countries have a higher cost of life, since people such as bartenders have to be paid more.

these days, western countries have highly productive industry that competes with agriculture for labor, and less young people, thus making immigration necessary.

with no immigrants, the wages for those jobs go up, making them more attractive to regular citizens.

Case in point: I used to work a construction job during the summers up in Alaska where there are no immigrants to do those jobs. Got paid 52$ an hour for unskilled labor, and that was 10-12 years ago before the massive inflation we've seen recently. I'd work 4-5 months up there, stack up about 50k per summer, and then take the rest of the year off.

>>82410903
They didn't. They either used slaves from other countries, or they were the immigrants themselves building up new nations.

>>82410477 (OP)
if you like immigration, you love capitalism, capitalists are nigger lovers, the reason communism is based is because we'd kill every non white, and jobs like "prostitute" and "influencer" would get banned, in fact we'd send people like that to labor camps.

>>82410958
fuck off no they didnt

>>82410973

that is such a stupid take, because commies think private property is theft, which makes white people evil by virtue of being wealthier than niggers

in fact that is the root cause of the soft on crime politicians, who think niggers stealing is comeback

>>82410981
>guy says they didn't
>"no they didn't"
they didn't.

>>82410995
no they didnt use slaves

>>82410946
So the solution is to increase birthrates, got it

>>82410958
You are literally just making shit up. Up until the late 60s basically every western country was completely ethnically and nationally homogenous. Do you live in a western country? Ask your grandparents. The obly possible exception cpuld be the US, since it's a very young country. France, Germany, Poland, Russia, Italy, etc were built by the French, Germans, Poles, Russians respectively.

>>82411016
name 3 countries.

>>82410875
Because you only hire immigrants who's cost of living is low

>>82411017
>So the solution is to increase birthrates, got it

Yes but white women keep taking birth control. It is a fact that they don't want to have children, and any politician blaming the left for low birth rates, promising to increase them, etc, is just bullshitting simpletons. Because literally every country has low birth rates once they become developed, and even Hitler failed to increase them.

>>82411021
germany, france, spain

>>82410589
What a retarded argument. Immigration on the sheer scale it is today is nothing like what it was in past centuries. For example, more people have entered Britain from other nations in the last couple decades than ALL OTHER CENTURIES COMBINED including the Romans, Vikings, Anglo-Saxons, Normans, and Huguenots. Yes the populations in general in the world have gone up but this is an unsustainable rate. And this same rhetoric applies to most Western countries.

>>82411017
>18th to 20th century Russia
>ethnically homogenous
Are you mentally retarded?

US isn't the only exception, most of western europe had to deal with the same shit for at least 200 years.

>>82410477 (OP)
I'm a garbage man, where do I fall in all of this?

>>82410477 (OP)
I love immigration because the current administration would call me an immigrant even though I'm technically not. Infact I bet I will get deported soon, given that ICE is active my state now.

>>82411047
1. yes there are too many immigrants.
2. the argument about migration solving labor shortages is valid and verifiably true for most countries both publicly stated and privately acknowledged.

>>82410477 (OP)
The "immigrants" get paid like shit and get abused for the job, so they can go back home to their country where they speak the language and know the culture and live like kings. It's especially ridiculous with the work visas. "Immigrants" are a large part of the reason why there are so many ghost jobs, because companies are legally required to at least pretend to be hiring people who live here and paying a fair wage.

Why else do you figure there's all these "help wanted" signs everywhere and yet nobody can land a fucking job and have to go through 1000s of applications before even one acceptance?

>>82410477 (OP)
I literally do lawn service and landscaping as a living.
Fuck immigrants.

>>82410477 (OP)
A ton of other people love doing all those things and they were born here though. How do you reconcile that? You're on an obscure internet image board for sad virgins... of course no one here wants to do any of that. How does that prove anything other than you're asking in the wrong places?

Immigration is used to devalue labor. You are a dumb nigger who supports rich kikes making your life worse because you're an ignorant self-hating faggot.

>>82411040
>france has the longest history of immigration
based. indentured labor and slavery is a big part of spain and france's history, buckeroo. but if you want to talk about guilds specifically and the government of the time maybe you can answer the question of how to force people to work construction jobs today.

>>82411179
>how to force people to work construction jobs today
promise them virgin wives

>>82411123
>a ton of people love doing farm work
yeah they are immigrants though. saying farmers or roofing companies are rich is funny thoughever.

>>82411207
They could just do what the communists / leftists did:
>those who don't work, don't eat.

>>82410989
wrong, we just nigger and whore votes because its easy to appeal to them since they are bottom feeders, but they are not productive members of society and so they will be sent to labor camps.

>>82411272

well the thing is, as long as capitalism is in place, commies will probably be supporting crime because they think it's justified

if they are in power and managing all the means of production, then i suppose they would actually try to stop crime. who knows though. they wouldn't really have to.

>>82410640
I don't know where you retards come up with this shit. I live in a 95% white area.
Do you know who lays the scaffolding?
White niggers.
Do you know who maintains the water pipes and electricity lines?
White niggers.
Do you know who works on the construction site?
White niggers.
Do you know who drives the buses?
White niggers.
To say that white peope "refuse" to do blue collar work is gigacope and literally just not true because somehow there are white countries and white areas that function just fine without mass immigration.

>>82410477 (OP)
Make convicts do it

>>82410477 (OP)
I work a manual labor job. Today it was raining. My gloves got soaked, my boots got soaked, and I got completely covered in debris after weedeating brush. I make $20 per hour, and I'm White. No, I don't want more fucking immigrants taking my job. One immigrant is enough. (My workplace has one non-white guy, a Filipino-American who doesn't work anywhere near as hard as I do.)

>>82411563
This
It's only the soft dorky city faggots who need brown slaves to do their dirty work. And guess what? They vote for mass immigration.

>>82410640
its so blatantly obvious that the new brown immigrants on 4chan have never interacted with a white person in real life
what next? white people shit rainbows and glow in the dark?

so many third world scum post here now it's unbelievable, I wish you people were banned from using the internet (a white people invention) forever

>>82412004
why not just wish that you should go back to your retard caves and go be retarded there?

>>82410520
>there's plenty of natives who will
The mythical American worker that is willing to do shitwork for shitpay and be treated like a slave surely must exist. Not me tho.

>>82412822
>for shit pay
Ahhhh yes and now they admit it, the whole point of immigration is wage suppression. Without cheap labour you'd have to pay more for the work.

>>82412841
>for shit pay
you wouldn't pay for $10,000 iphones lmao

>>82412841
If farm workers got paid what they're actually worth, you'd be paying $20 for a pack of strawberries. What do you expect to happen when:
>Consumers are already struggling to afford food
>Farming as an industry has very low profit margins already
>There's no browns to pick your food before it rots because Trump deported them all
>American workers won't do farm work because the hours are shit, it's terrible for your body, and the pay is shit
Genuinely what do you expect to happen? Because unless we go full China "collectivized farming" mode where white Americans are plucked out of their homes and forced to live on farms who the fuck is gonna grow your food?

>>82410477 (OP)
I'm not anti immigrant, Im against mass immigration. The elites use mass immigration to keep wages in those fields down, which is why Americans don't want to work them. Americans want to make good money if they're going to do grueling labor.

>>82410477 (OP)
I would but being in a foreign crew is not fun.

>>82412888
>If farm workers got paid what they're actually worth, you'd be paying $20 for a pack of strawberries. What do you expect to happen when:
that would only happen because most Americans work in bullshit service jobs at this point. if we could actually unleash the forces of production again instead of working at mcdonalds, we could create real, vast wealth. but everyone just works in time wasting unproductive bullshit jobs while only like 20% do jobs that produce value

>>82412963
>if we could actually unleash the forces of production again
sure but then we'd have to achieve full communism or at least socialism in the US which might unironically be harder than reviving the USSR at this point. Americans are too cucked and too stupid to attain class consciousness.

>>82410815
>If all jobs paid twice as much then you would also have to pay twice as much for stuff.
There are two options.
>They raise prices to maintain the same profit margins as before.
OR
>CEOs and various middle managers take a massive paycut, all the useless bullshit jobs like Chief Diversity Officer are let go.
If we had a real economy the latter would happen because businesses who didn't do it wouldn't be able to compete, the ones who did would outcompete them on prices. Unfortunately, we don't have a real economy.

migrants =/= immigrant

Migrants get payed shit wages because they can't legally bargain for it. Why would any of the locals do em when you can get payed more or chill doing white collar. Some immigration is fine imo but it's always corpos who advocate for mass immigration cause they also want to pay shittier wages through increased labor supply from 2nd tier countries.

>>82412923
the elites don't give a fuck about wages or Americans, as long as they make a consistent profit. most roofing contractors are self-employed. Most americans do not want to do any work, we have an anti-work culture in every socioeconomic level of the country, and they also don't want to pay more money for important products or services. sports gambling is bigger than ever before in history but you retards want to talk about "wages down"

>>82412977
the elites do everything they can to prevent Americans from achieving class consciousness, including the political theater they put on where people think voting actually matters and it's not just the same capitalists running everything all the time, and subverting marxism to be about transgenders and race and feminism

>>82412888
>>Consumers are already struggling to afford food
This is literally a direct result of mass immigration and monetary expansion... both caused by kikes. Solving the Jew problem naturally leads to other problems disappearing.

>>82412989
>CEO of farming
>chief diversity officer of self-employed electricians
the problem is that every time leftists talk about a "real economy" they just mean slavery. you could be more strict with private equity but only the first option you mentioned would actually make a noticeable difference. people don't work difficult jobs unless they are forced to. the wages don't really matter.

>>82413013
The problems are caused by men. Just deport all the men.

>>82413013
>This is literally a direct result of mass immigration
I don't know how you can possibly blame immigrants for America's economic problems. Do you know how much of America's wealth is just sitting in some rich faggot's bank account? Do you know how many houses in America are owned by some giant multinational firm to make it completely out of reach for normal Americans to buy a house? This shit isn't on the minimum wage immigrants working farm jobs bro.

>>82413062
A real economy means an economy that is directed by consumer demand, not by the government picking and choosing the winners ahead of time with subsidies, bullshit regulations, corruption, etc.

>>82413099
Liberalism failed in 1929 get with the times Hoover.

>>82413091
its not a bank account if it's in stocks or private business equity. also if they start to sell that stuff which they probably will be forced to as boomers have retarded kids, 99% of that "wealth" is worthless.

>>82413113
If Elon Musk spent a million dollars a day he still wouldn't even get close to running out of money before he dies. If his 15 kids each spent a million dollars a day he STILL wouldn't get close to running out of money before they all die.
This is a complete nonsense excuse. Wealthy people are not job creators, they are not stimulating the economy with their spending. They are parasites hording wealth at the expense of the middle class.

Stop falling for Jewish propaganda.

>>82413091
Part of the reason they are so rich is they pay people as little as possible which mass immigration enables them to do. It makes their profit margins massive when they might be teeny tiny otherwise. If they had to pay their workers more that would be coming straight out of their own paycheck.

>>82413136
>stop falling for propaganda
>posts retarded communist propaganda
if you ate the rich you would get around $20 each, at best. eat the rich all you want, they are a tiny fraction of the population. if you still think money is the power, may you forever be a retard.

The reality is Americans are lazy as fuck. We have people who unironically want androids to be their slaves.

>>82413152
>Part of the reason they are so rich is they pay people as little as possible which mass immigration enables them to do.
This is not wrong but the wealthy wouldn't change their behavior without immigrants. They'd just continue lowering the standard of living until regular Americans become desperate enough to do those jobs. Unless you attack the problem directly you'll never fix America's economy.

>>82411121
OP conveniently ignores all the posts saying things like this

the issue isn't the jobs it's the pay. you're damn right i'd drive a fucking e-bike to delivery stacy her food if it paid $25 an hour, but no it's piss poor wage that relies on tips. you're damn right i'd flip burgers and clean toilets if it was actually worth my time. if everyone wants to have their cake and eat it to, why would i be fine with having no cake and not eat any of it? "living" life just to lose/lose is not worth it so i wont do it for min wage. simple as that.

>>82413185
90% of the posts are from people who are greedy suburbanoids who would have a mental breakdown on the first day of a real job.
>my fee for climbing up on a rooftop is 1 million dollars XD

>>82411047
It's not supposed to make sense, it's just supposed to flabbergast you while they pipe in retarded 80 IQ morons who cost more than they put into the system and then they'll additionally thunderstrike you by saying this is "good for da economy lol." When arguing with these people just remember it's always going to be whatever is maximally anti-white and harmful to you.

>>82413170
Americans have Mexico. Lol, do you know how funny Mexico is. Mexican minimum wage is like a dollar a week. And they trade a ton of stuff with American because of how close they are. Thats like an actual slave encampment bro, but its an entire country. If Mexico got paid the same as Americans, American prices of everything would go way up. America is still pretty shit even with like 100 million slaves though. Its just a hard world bro, we cant worry about every little thing.

>>82410477 (OP)
How is a normal person supposed to do any of those jobs when you have to speak Spanish to do them?

>>82413152
Nah they would still be rich. Henry Ford proved this. They just want virtual slave labor to be richer than any kings ever were and the anti-white neogommunists go along with it because midwit faggots take beliefs in sets.

>>82413205
I have a real manual labor job and I want immigrants to be gunned down at the border.
They drive down the value of my work and drive up the housing prices

Wages are the issue. People with a brain don't want to break their backs doing menial labor.

And, yes, inflating the labor pool affects wages. Wages are affected by supply and demand and people still have issue accepting this.

>>82410589
back then it was called slavery, same difference. People come here, get paid shit to do hard labor. Basically can't do anything else since the price of living keeps rising every year, so they're stuck listening to corridos while working in 98 degree weather.
What if instead of automating the fun jobs like coding and art, we tried automating the shit jobs that no-one wants to do?
This isn't a house of CEO's, politicians, or social engineers, not the users at least. You're blaming the wrong people.

>>82413258
Interesting that you didn't get brainwashed into ignoring all the real jobs like every other american, but you still got brainwashed into being xenophobic. You must absolutely hate your life.

>>82413262
Another thing to consider is if these jobs paid well enough people could get by doing 20 hour work weeks. Would probably be far less damaging to your body.
>>82413281
The reason (many) white collar jobs are getting automated first is because they were fake jobs all along. It was all fake and AI finally blew the whistle on it. Of course not all of them are fake, the really real, hard ones might not even be automateable ever because we'll reach a hard cap on how smart AI can get and you need actual intelligence for the hard shit.

>>82413285
>brainwashed into understanding basic economics

>>82410477 (OP)
>You guys love anti immigration sentiment, but when it comes to jobs immigrants do, such as Roofing, Construction, Farm work, and Lawn services, it seems like you prefer working anything but that.
Probably because I paid my dues doing it.
Some nigger can do it, I make more money sitting on ass in a month then most of them do in five.

>>82413262
Correction. I'm willing to break my back for my family, I'm not willing to break my back fo mr shekelman's 13th yacht downpayment.

>>82413314
>labor shortages are covered by migrant and seasonal labor, this is basic economics in any country.

>>82413317
This thread is about migrant workers picking strawberries, not about Zuckerburger building a new nuclear bomb to be dropped on Somalia. Yachts are not part of the equation, Americans are just too greedy and proud to be doing manual labor.

>>82413329
>labor shortages are covered by raising wages to poach workers, this is basic economics in any country not ruled by Jews

>>82413300
>any job that requires the use of your brain is fake
>coding
>art
>finance
>law
>real-estate
>historians
>writers and authors
>mathematics

>any job that requires the sacrifice of your body is real work
>poopeater
>poop shoveler
>grass cutter
>cutting trees for rich people
>scrubbing the floors of rich people
>carpenter
>brick layer
>toxic gas inhaler (welder)
>coal inhaler
A lot of these, I can imagine a trained arm can do, let alone an AI trained via P2P interface with a real [for this example, welder's] arm going through the motions. It was trained easier because a lot of the 'fake jobs' were copy-pasteable.

>>82413356
>muh religion
A labor shortage has nothing to do with wages, dumbfuck. 1 person cannot work the job of 10 people, even if you paid him 10x

>>82410477 (OP)
Migrants are the oligarchs' scab labor. Until the leftoids acknowledge they're working against the working class on that front, they will make no progress.

>>82413390
There is none, unemployment has skyrocketed. Oligarchs say there is to import scab labor.

>>82413378
The actual research into automation talks about white collar being where the cost savings are. It's easier to manipulate symbols on a screen than it is to interact with the real world.

Cerebral elitists make out that cognitive work is harder and more difficult in some sort of platonic sense. They don't realize that it's harder because the human brain isn't wired to care about or handle that shit. A calculator from the 1970s is able to compute faster than a human mind, but it requires much more complex circuitry to and processing power to weld a myriad of patterns. There's dumbshit crackhead welders that can do the latter, while completely fail at the former. Just as an example.

>>82413404
>unemployment
Is the unemployment in the room with us now?

>>82413378
No, they have to make prefab houses for automation, and that's just the basic laying part.

>>82413390
Sounds like you don't know what "poach" means in this context. That's OK, I'll explain. To "poach a worker" means someone who was engaged in another field leaves his job to come do this job because the wage increase changed the situation, it is now a more attractive proposition than the current job he is doing.

Let's say a wagie is working in some office. The pay is shit, it's boring as fuck, but at least the room is air conditioned, at least he can sit on his ass. Suddenly, the wagie finds out they just TRIPLED the wage they are paying people to pick the crops in a nearby field. The wagie says, "Damn, this sounds like hard work but the pay is much better than what I'm doing right now. I could really use the money, I think I will give this a try."

In reality, it isn't one wagie that is attracted from his current job, it is many. Some may even be unemployed, but seeing that juicy wage is too tempting, they get off their ass and they apply. Shortage is now filled.

>>82413420
>durrrr
They're imported for non-compete positions, natives can't even apply. Sometimes they lay off entire plants of a pre-existing workforce.

>>82413437
>american
>doing hard work
lol. you're forgetting that people are far more comfortable being comfortable than they would be if they made a few extra dollars breaking their back, moron.

>>82410695
Lol the absolute amount of bullshit your kind spews. You can just tell this is some faggot under 25 that spends all his day reading brainrot tier bullshit online. This is basically the "white man's burden" type shit. You're not special or unique cocksucker, other races can perform menial tasks just as well as you can (except maybe blacks and abbos). Pretty much every other race can learn and be trained to the same standard for basic work that doesn't require a master's or PhD.
Settle down kid, stop basedraging

a lot of my cousins work construction, roofing, and farm work. they are legal latinx. all the legal latinx males would rather blue collar than go to uni

>>82413445
Everything has a price. You would get on your knees and suck my cock like it's a 5 star meal if I paid you enough money.

>>82413443
most of these jobs are for contractors that can be self-employed. it has literally nothing to do with anyone "applying," tell me how i know you've never seen a real job without telling me.

>>82413452
>all the
meant a lot

>>82410477 (OP)
I'm not against doing any of that though, not any more than other waging.

>>82413454
Quite literally not. This is the entire history of using foreign labor to cover labor shortages. Do you think you're the first person to think of increasing wages, retard? Some countries went so far up their own asses they had hyperinflation for years and the jobs were still not being done.

>>82413456
The contractor hires the migrant labor, these people aren't internationally certified with tickets, they're underpaid laborers.

>>82413472
You're regurgitating think tank babble. They literally fire people already working to replace them with migrants regularly.

>>82413481
the contractor is the migrant, he just does the job for what's worth to the client

This board really REALLY badly needs a "/pol/shit outside of /pol/" report option. Actually every board that's not /pol/ needs it too.

>>82413472
Which ones? If you're talking about some place like Venezuela, it was a South American shithole to begin with and never stood a chance of competing with us on any level. Their true problem isn't governance or economics, their problem is that they are low IQ and brown, same as every other similar shithole. We have no lessons to learn from them except not to accept their people into our countries.

>>82413418
>They don't realize that it's harder because the human brain isn't wired to care about or handle that shit.
I agree, but we're actively dumbing down the next generation by taking away STEM.
Ask any teacher, these kids are dumb as hell. If they have a question, they ask chatgpt and parrot what it says, not really absorbing anything from it. Most of them don't even know how to spell or pronounce words.
People are going to become retarded drones, because there's no longer any incentive for them to do anything else.
When your options are streamer/entertainer, drug dealer, wageslave, or coal miner; you're going to pick the easiest of the four, and they don't have anything to do with your cognition; but that's part of a greater problem, which is the dumbing down of the species and the natural progression into its total annihilation or slave dystopia.
We could have been aliens someday, but we won't be.

>>82413495
You don't even know what you're talking about, while accusing me of it. What the fuck, lol.

>>82412888
They're already charging as much as they can for food, you retard. Cheap labour did not and has never led to cheap food. If the cost of labour goes up they'll just have fewer mansions. Most farmers around here have giant mansions because they make money hand over fist.

>>82413504
Shut up, newfag oligarch bootlicker.

>>82413494
>muh H1B
Are you mentally retarded or do you just not understand what this conversation is about? What does firing anyone have to do with anything? Do you think most migrants have an H1B?

>>82413507
There is a sea of unemployed tech people and they're importing more non-compete H1Bs than ever.

>>82413508
You aren't talking about anything in this post. It would just be funny if someone in this thread actually worked a job that most americans refuse to do and while also blaming the people willing to do it.

>>82413420
Unemployment sucks so bad, I wish I could work but I have chronic pain problems in my penis and cant handle getting out of my shell.

>>82413520
I didn't mention that.
You're arguing a (think tank pushed) hypothetical, while those opposed are talking about the actual situation.

>>82413533
I accept your concession on the matter. If you aren't a migrant yourself, you are just supporting making oligarchs exponentially wealthier.

>>82413504
What are we allowed to talk about on /r9k/? Femboys? Where is our "/lgbt/ outside of /lgbt/" report option? That would clear out like half of this board.

>>82413555
a truck driver that gets fired simply drives his truck to a different client. you're yapping about tanks and hypotheticals without even having a basic understanding of the subject.

>>82410477 (OP)
>we need slaves to pick our not cotton

>>82413565
>oligarchs
>someone who knows how to put up drywall
tell me how i know you don't know what an oligarch is, without telling me.

>>82413571
>white people just don't want to pick the cotton, you see, they're plain lazy
This is what progressives would be arguing, for the plantation owners, in those days.

>>82413586
the left is insane.

>>82413596
They're not even really leftists. The Left was always opposed to mass migration because it's scab labor. Even as recently as Bernie himself said open borders was a Koch brothers' proposal. They've just been completely manipulated and corrupted by neolibs.

Immigrants/migrants/refugees in Canada abuse our social safety nets while taking hard labour jobs. Theyre gaming every social support while doing cash jobs to undercut citizens, that view social assistance as a last resort and not a wage subsidy, that want to be fairly paid enough to support a family. The country doesnt care if its hurting its birth citizens in the long run, or how familys will be forced to sell their homes to REITs/Negrorock to rent to 20 member jeet households, they see them as replaceable like their business lobbyists do.

If nothing is being done to stop this abuse, gen z/a should just NEETmaxx. Immigrants already assume every birth citizen are abusing/getting free money and deeply resentful of birth citizens cause of their ignorance.

>>82413645
yeah just in general leftists are terrible people.

>>82410815
all jobs wouldn't pay twice as much, only the ones done by immigrants currently. it wouldn't make things cost twice as much, it would make things slightly cost more. life would be the same for the rich but substantially better for the lower and middle classes.

>>82413670
If it did, everything would have cost twice as much before mass migration. It's a ridiculous notion.

>>82413670
I don't think life would be the same for the rich, I think they would be vastly less rich in comparison to the rest of us and that would be a good thing. It would be much harder for them to buy out politicians if they only had 4x as much money as the average person instead of 1000x. Of course, the fact that they are so easily able to buy out politicians now is exactly why it's so hard for us to change things.

>>82410477 (OP)
Pay a living wage and it will get done. If your economy can't afford to get by without slave labor then it should collapse.

well like hitler said the German people simply weren't based enough to survive. Same here with American whites many have never had a job now it's alien to them and it's like slavery to them. I can't imagine an edgy /v/irgin doing lawnwork even without killing himself and murdering his mom in the process. Labor would actually make them empathetic too so that's not happening, modern right is guff, ban trans having guns, not like he was like "i'm a neo nazi" in russian.

>>82413730
>most incoherent slop post in thread award
Must be that high empathy you posses, not for ``whites'' though, apparently.

>>82413711
Our economy is not designed to pay living wage for menial work. If fruit pickers had to be paid minimum wage in California, you'd have food riots.

>>82413749
no you would just have to pick your own fruit. americans aren't ready for that however, they feel it's difficult just to go outside and touch grass.

>>82413785
If you hate Americans so much, go make your own site. This is an American site, made by an American, hosted on American servers. You're capable of that, right? Whatever country you're from, you guys are such hard, resourceful workers.

>>82410952
that's absolutely true, wages do go up. But so do costs for consumers. And at some level of cost increase, people just stop consuming the things produced with cheap immigrant labor that they used to buy.
>Fresh strawberries for $6 a craton, sure. For $20 a carton... no only rich people eat fresh strawberries, I'll make due with imported straw- (no wait there's a tarif on that cause of the trade imbalance) I'll make due with raisins.
So you don't keep the same number of strawberry picker jobs, just at a higher wage. You have a small number of high wage straberry picker jobs to service rich people. Most strawberry picker jobs just go away.

For nearly everything that illegals do for cheap, it gets more expensive, and people change their consumption habits to make due with less.
>I'm not gonna renovate my house. I'll just keep it as is.
>I'm not gonna eat at a restaurant anymore. i'll just eat groceries (although fruit, veggies, dairy, chicken, and meat will be more expensive, cause they work in those industries a lot).
>I'm not gonna pay a gardener. I'll just get rid of most of the plants in my yard
>I'm not gonna stay at a hotel... the only affordable ones are disgusting because own few or no maid staff.

>>82410477 (OP)
the only reason immigrants do jobs such as roofing, construction, and farming is because there are no laws preventing corpos from hiring cheap foreign labour
if you just had laws in place saying "you have to hire american citizens and pay them a fair livable wage or you go to prison" we would have a better overall quality of life for our own people and we would have less disgusting migrants running around
literally the only people benefitted by the presence of these people is the corpos and you lefties can't seem to ever get that

>>82413808
>strawberries didn't exist before the 00s
Damn, that's crazy bro

>>82410477 (OP)
>since we removed the slaves, will you do the slave labor
Not the point you think it is
Also mid bait

>>82413808
Hilarious. Your green text is how most of us are already living nowadays. Only boomers can afford to own a house, let alone renovate it, eat out, pay a gardener, stay at hotels, etc.

>>82410589
The wages are shit because immigrants, no imigrantes, need makes wages rise, higher wage, more people willing to work, dumbass

>>82413842
crazy how even this ESL understands basic supply and demand and yet libtards pretend they don't get it.

>>82413842
there aren't enough workers. the wages make no difference.

>>82413873
of course there are, unemployment is through the roof right now

>>82413835
boomers are literally your own parents. most of us have houses and a nice job because of our parents.

>>82413879
there aren't enough workers to do those jobs.

>>82413825
Shills think no one remembers how things were before we "had" to have millions of brownoids shitting in the fields taking siestas between picking fruit or whatever.

>>82413894
then prove it already cause it seems like you're making a ridiculous claim especially as we move into the age of robotics

>>82413899
we had billions of immigrants from italy and china instead.

>>82410477 (OP)
Sounds like you should pay more for that stuff to get done then, homo
>hehehe chudcel you wont do this for peanuts while brown people with no rights will, CHECKMATE
Like alright nigguh, in a scenario you are forcing to deny basic economic principles of supply and demand and rig it in your favor this stands. But the pay for such labor will continually need to be raised until either it becomes unfeasable for the payer or is high enough for prospective laborers to undertake it. In the case of the first youll either do it yourself(you never ever EVER will because you view it as beneath you and a waste of time) or will leave it undone

>>82413907
yeah but mostly from Europe and not very many from China

>>82413905
nta but there is a lot of underemployment thats probably more important to look at. You're not going to get a bunch of USC CS grads to suddenly start picking oranges for a living.

>>82413882
The average boomer is a retard that watches Fox News and has watched TV all his life and is quite literally brainwashed as a result. Most of them think things are still as easy economically as when they were young because that's what Fox News tells them. Many of them want to leave their kids as little as possible, because they think leaving an inheritance is coddling their kids. "They need to pull themselves up by the bootstraps like I did." If you have one of the few that isn't retarded and understands the situation as it really is, congrats, you're lucky. Most aren't in a position to hook people up with jobs either. My family are retired teachers, for instance, absolutely no useful connections from that.

>>82413905
prove what? this "claim" has been the basis of every major economy in the last 50 years. even china has worker shortages.
https://news.agc.org/workforce-development/workforce-shortages-delay-projects/

>>82413919
peak retard because every city has a chinatown but not every city has a little italy or little hitler

>>82413926
Most of us have boomer parents, the boomers had all the money, and they gave it to us. Only migrants and LGBTBBQ morons who got thrown out of the family don't have a house.

>>82413399
In the modern diseased leftoid mind, just being brown means you're the working class somehow and being white the opposite.

>>82413943
you are indeed a peak retard. there aren't very many chinatowns at all

>>82413969
so TRUE! also there are no white people either.

>>82413943
Because Europeans integrated, they didn't form ethnic enclaves, they became "Americans" full stop.

>>82410477 (OP)
The best thing about immigrants is they are poor and desperate so you can treat them like shit, force them to work long hours in shitty conditions for low pay while violating all their rights and if they get uppity you can just fire them and deny their unemployment benefits.

>>82413974
that is true, you sound pretty fucking stupid my guy

>>82413990
i know that's why i said its true.

>>82413994
glad you agree you're a retard faggot

>>82410477 (OP)
Wages would be higher without immigrants, more white people would take it up and the quality of the work would be higher because high IQ, high trust, law abiding, et cetera... We managed in the 1950s without modern power tools and people were happy back then. The Amish managed it. It would take some adjustment but it wouldn't be the end of the world.

Also, you hate us. We all saw the Mexicans burning LA to the ground, burning white people's cars and businesses like BLM. You consistently vote to drag down white people and impose DEI and get special privileges and entitlements for yourselves. You scam white customers specifically because we don't get violent just disappointed and the police will do nothing, of course, you being a special privileged special snowflake "oppressed" group. Latin- Americans have not actually made a net contribution to the US economy, you pay less in taxes than you receive in government spending. And, you know, I'd be chill if you didn't hate us, you can be useless without being malicious, but that's not the case clearly.

It was a huge mistake treating you as equals and inviting you to our countries. Just fuck off.

>>82413977
Europeans will never be american no matter how much you cope.

>>82413997
I think we already agreed earlier on what I said.

>>82413399
What to expect from retards that worship corps the millisecond they make an ad saying rainbow le good

>>82413999
this is very true and trips confirm

>>82413999
>the amish make a lot of money
lol

>>82413999
I work the trades, and the quality of work done by previous generations is pretty hit and miss, but lately, the work turned out by immigrants is pretty poor. Cheap labor is what landlords use to maintain their properties but will hire domestic labor for their own houses.

>>82414043
many amish become millionaires because they have such low expenses, accumulate a lot of farmland and raise its value

My dad worked in manufacturing, and was able to raise 5 kids with a stay at home wife... and was able to get a mortgage

My dad actually got me a job where he works. When he got his mortgage 25 years ago the house was 115,000 dollars. Now even the cheap homes near me are 400,000 dollars. I can't afford to have the same life as my parents if I got stuck doing a shitty job in a factory so I had to go back to school or be stuck living at home forever

the point is that nobody will work in these types of jobs if they can't even support a family off of it. They need to pay a living wage and stop the importation of scab labor

>>82414070
yeah when i think of high wages, i'm thinking of the amish lifestyle.

>>82413999
It was US whites who created the circumstances for mass immigration under the guise of defeating communism. You have yourselves to blame

>>82414084
no we didn't. Don't lie.

>>82414095
how much would you pay for a new roof?

>>82414108
Depends on how much I am getting paid for my own labor

>>82413978
The progressive dream.

>>82414084
>erm yes, you're directly responsible for not only the oligarchs selling you out, but us allying with them to do it. Yes you, personally!
gtfo

>>82413566
>Where is our "/lgbt/ outside of /lgbt/" report option?
/lgbt/ is a sfw board so its the mods own fault really

plus we belong because we are cute CUTE! unlike /pol/cel redditor scum

>>82414273
Oh, is that why you guys get to colonize this board? In that case /pol/ should be allowed to colonize one of the blue boards, it's only fair.

>>82410695
There's some truth to this. Lived in a house previously owned by spics with a DIY mindset and most of the shelves, doorways and paneling they did was complete dogshit. Another time i bought furniture when I moved in, paid a small fee for assembly on my dresser. I get two spics or baltic idk some foreign accent with poor english and they were tan BUT when they leave I check their work and they didn't use nails to hold the two halves of my dresser together. Ended up just reassembling it with my brother and fixing the crooked shit they fucked on the interior too. Funny enough the niggers who assembled my nightstand around that time did way better than the spics.

The only real criticism I have for the anti-immigration crowd is that they don't blame the people incentivising the problem enough. They make it all about the migrants themselves which is stupid because they're just desparate pawns in all of this.
I don't think I have ever heard a right winger say that corporations should be severely punished for employing large amounts of migrants. If they pushed for that rather than whatever idiocy ICE is currently engaging in I could get behind it
Otherwise, it's just kind of a fact of the matter that importing outsiders to fill in the gaps in our economy is just not smart and not stable. It's something that necessarily must be done away with. The encouragement for people to migrate to the US in large quantities has always been about exploiting them. Even in the days of "gimme your huddled masses".

>>82414432
Mainstream rightwing politicians are just controlled opposition, they don't want to actually do anything about this situation because they directly benefit from it. They are wealthy business owners, they own stock, they want big funny number to continue going up at any cost. There is probably no voting our way out of this. Mind you, I keep voting red anyway just in case. If democrats ever change their mind and decide to get based I will start voting for them. We're probably fucked though.

>>82410623
I have applied to become a welder, roofer, gardener etc... but these require years of experience plus plenty of certs for 1500 euros max.
So yeahi never got these jobs but now i make more than twice that amount for doing fuckall with a computer.
Employers dont want to hire whites, simple as. They rather pay a shitskin 150 euros per month even if it means botched work

>>82410696
For us yes because employer only hired shitskins and actively reject white candidates

>>82410477 (OP)
I'm imagining a world where the jobs to work within my country are not under challenge all the time by infinity foreigners who agree to work for pennies and will suffer any treatment.

>>82410477 (OP)
Those jobs were originally taken up by lower class whites. The main problem with mass immigration is national security, depressed wages and an influx of a large pool of workers who will gladly take low pay, keeping those wages down because they're will always be another sucker who'll take it regardless. It incentives exploitation and for businesses and employers to never have to pay more because they are in a position where they won't ever need to. Not to mention the crime and culture differences. It was 16 year olds, 17 year olds, 18 year olds doing stuff like dishwashing, roofing, working at mcdonalds because it was their first job and they're figuring things out. Now you have 40 year olds trying to support a whole family on mcwages

>>82415159
The supply of laborers exceeds the demand so that fact alone caps wages at a low point

and then the employers have preference for foreigners because they're not interested in building a life here, they're interested in sending remittances of like $100 back to their families in Mexico, China, India, etc. Plus then with the diversity of employees, there is no possible chance for them to unionize and demand better working conditions or pay.

And so there is no place for a low-skilled laborer that's a native to a first world country. The average homer simpson american is fucked if he doesn't have a family to rely on.

This is happening everywhere the conditions for it allow it to go on. United States, Britain, France, Japan, etc.

>>82412822
Well, let's get those 25% who would be better off into a factory then.

>>82410477 (OP)
Because corps hide them from US citizens

>>82415318
Sounds like that h1b job site thing I read about a week ago

>>82410477 (OP)
The issue is the shit wages (and perhaps living nowhere near the damn job).
Of course, the immigrants drive down the wages anyway, so everyone suffers.
Same thing with outsourcing to slaves. The White man is fucked over, no matter what.