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Anonymous No.82419705 [Report] >>82419746 >>82419799 >>82419836 >>82419845 >>82419860 >>82419903 >>82421548 >>82421559 >>82421605
Why should anyone believe in God?
Anonymous No.82419739 [Report] >>82419809 >>82420000 >>82420045
Because he loves you so much that he will sent you to hell if you don't use the free will he gave you to love him back.
Anonymous No.82419746 [Report] >>82419809 >>82419874 >>82419891 >>82420000
>>82419705 (OP)
Hmm, gonna try to give a real answer. Was an atheist my whole life then I watched videos about Jesus, realized that basically every reputable historian agrees that he did exist, and that there is more evidence for his existence than other historical characters too. So, he did exist. Then you have to grapple with the book. All the apostles also did exist, and they all died gruesome deaths because they believed he was god. Boiled alive, chopped into pieces and that kinda stuff. Then you have science backing the earthquake and the eclipse at the time of Jesus' death.

Then you can look at what's around you, and if you think, "where did all this come from?" The air, your chair, the materials that make up. It couldn't come from nothing. That's impossible.

Overall, there is way more evidence and credibility behind Jesus than any other religious character. It's scary, I still don't go to church and I still do bad things. He is God though, that's for sure.
Anonymous No.82419799 [Report] >>82420009
>>82419705 (OP)

the elite and powerful believe, why not you?
Anonymous No.82419809 [Report] >>82419853
>>82419739
Your cat is cute
>>82419746
>Then you can look at what's around you, and if you think, "where did all this come from?" The air, your chair, the materials that make up. It couldn't come from nothing. That's impossible.
God of the gaps fallacy
>He is God though, that's for sure.
How so?
Anonymous No.82419836 [Report]
>>82419705 (OP)
Its logical. Math and physics agree that higher dimensions probably exist. Imagine how a 2D flipbook compares to the 3D object itself. Now extend that to a 3D space + time.
If you went up another dimension, everything that is and was would exist in one single object. This is where we experience reality, but it is not ultimate reality. So essentially, all of our actions are subject to external analysis and judgement. When our body dies, our life does not cease to exist.
The way we choose to think and act has significant consequences.

Basically, it is perfectly logical to me that there are invisible higher dimensional beings who can observe and even interfere with our lives.

Christianity is mythology, and has become an enslaving institution, and the teachings of Jesus are generally misunderstood, but the story is still important.

As to whether or not the people in the bible and the events described happened as they did, its unlikely a man named moses literally split a sea, its probably a symbolic description of something. Jesus speaks in metaphors always, but for some reason, people take the book literally.

Furthermore, was there a human named Jesus who taught, healed, performed miracles, and then died and rose into heaven? Anyone who says they know for sure I think is lying. me personally, I could imagine it to have actually happened, as miraculous as it is. I believe the world really is strange.

If you read the 'Holy Bible' through a lense of mysticism, it makes 100% more sense.

But that is just one culture, and not the only interpretation of 'God', a concept that nearly every single culture across time and space recognizes.
Anonymous No.82419845 [Report] >>82419942
>>82419705 (OP)
Because atheists can't give a justified account for metaphysics, ethics, and epistemology.
Anonymous No.82419853 [Report] >>82419870 >>82419942
>>82419809
>God of the gaps fallacy
Science can explain what the stars are made of, but not who put them there.
>How so?
So he did live, then you have 4 different accounts writing down events like healing the sick, walking on water and the resurrection. On top of that you have some crazy things like a roman soldier suddenly turning 180 and preaching Jesus and getting beheaded for it in Rome. Faith takes... well, faith, a leap of faith. But if you look at Jesus' life from an objective viewpoint, then He is the best answer you got.

By all metrics possible, He has got to be the most perfect man to ever live on earth, he promised things, and i think its very unlikely that he lied.

If you want more insight I recommend you watch Sam Shamoun. He also showed me how Islam is fucking wicked and evil at its core. Hopefully I can become more like him and steadfast in my faith.
Anonymous No.82419860 [Report]
>>82419705 (OP)
Because they will kill you if you don't
Anonymous No.82419870 [Report] >>82419878
>>82419853
>you watch Sam Shamoun
Sam Shamoun is good for watching Muslims get rekt but he is mogged by The Lord High Jay Dyer Peace Be Upon Him
Anonymous No.82419874 [Report]
>>82419746
What eclipse? The only eclipse I have heard of was a partial lunar eclipse, which does virtually nothing in terms of illumination
Anonymous No.82419878 [Report] >>82419905
>>82419870
Both are good. I just have a lot of respect for Sam for making me semi-equipped on taking Muslims on. A muslim woman at work said she had to shower 7 times if a dog licked her face and that it was in the Quran - it's not. It's some fucked Hadith. Not gonna debate her on it but its nice knowing I can sense bullshit
Anonymous No.82419891 [Report] >>82419901
>>82419746
>Was an atheist my whole life then I watched videos about Jesus
You got brainwashed.
>there is more evidence for his existence than other historical characters too
Only books with Jewish tales and nothing material.
>All the apostles also did exist, and they all died gruesome deaths because they believed he was god
There were a cult which members comitted mass suicide because they have believed aliens will take them to heaven. This doesn't prove aliens exist. The cult founder could've instead make them believe he is God.
For Jesus, some Jews believed he will come back in their lifetimes to destroy Roman Empire (Revelation is actually a Jewish copium about how Roman Empire will be destroyed in future).
>Then you have science backing the earthquake and the eclipse at the time of Jesus' death.
It was a partial eclipse, they might happen quite often compared to full eclipses. This is coincidence and not a proof.
>Then you can look at what's around you, and if you think, "where did all this come from?" The air, your chair, the materials that make up. It couldn't come from nothing.
>That's impossible.
Who said that? Ancient people believed that it's impossible for Earth to not be supported by three elephants and a turtle.
>there is way more evidence and credibility behind Jesus than any other religious character.
I assume you just didn't looked up evidences from another religions.
Anonymous No.82419901 [Report] >>82419914
>>82419891
Thing is, I base my opinion on historical facts while you are entirely driven by emotion.
Anonymous No.82419903 [Report]
>>82419705 (OP)
so you can attack him
Anonymous No.82419905 [Report]
>>82419878
>It's some fucked Hadith.
Many such cases.
Anonymous No.82419914 [Report] >>82419944
>>82419901
You base your opinion on gaps and emotional assumptions, while I am just skeptic.
Anonymous No.82419942 [Report]
>>82419845
Theists can't give a justified account for metaphysics, ethics, and epistemology.
>>82419853
>Science can explain what the stars are made of, but not who put them there.
Neither can you
Anonymous No.82419944 [Report] >>82420207 >>82420318
>>82419914
Jesus' existence is confirmed by non-Christian historians like Tacitus and Josephus, which is more than many ancient figures have. The apostles didn't just believe, they were eyewitnesses who wo uld have known if they were lying, yet they died for that truth. The earthquake at the crucifixion is supported by geological data. Physics confirms the universe had a beginning and requires a cause. This isn't about ancient myths; it's about historical and philosphical reasoning leading to a logical conclusion.

Now, please, refute me without resorting to emotions. Can you do it?

The truth claim of Christianity rests on a specific, testable and historical event: a man claiming to be God being executed, THEN RETURNING TO LIFE. Witnessed by hundreds of people.

My conclusion wasn't reached lightly, I wasn't "brainwashed", it was by looking at the historical method and the evidence itself.
Anonymous No.82420000 [Report] >>82420058
>>82419739
This.

Yahweh of Judea is a low IQ vengeful narcissist that sets humans up to fail so he can have fun punishing them. The only reason to believe in him is because you've been indoctrinated to fear his imaginary wrath. He literally does no good besides creating the universe that one time. His own fan-fiction is full of him murdering millions and destroying cities. He's a miserable ass fucker.

His "son" is a useless illiterate cult leader that just made a bunch of big promises with nothing to back them up.

>>82419746
>there is way more evidence and credibility behind Jesus than any other religious character
There is exactly the same evidence for Jesus as Thor, Krishna, and Ra. Words in books. Literally zero evidence exists of anyone named Jesus/Yeshua in Roman occupied Judea aside from cobbled together fan-fiction from 70 AD.
Anonymous No.82420009 [Report]
>>82419799
>the elite and powerful believe
because they're coping with mortality salience, they can't accept that no matter how much resources they extract, they're still going to rot and die like everyone else
Anonymous No.82420045 [Report]
>>82419739
>He just came in and told the truth
fpbp is at it again
Anonymous No.82420058 [Report] >>82420207 >>82420280
>>82420000
>There is exactly the same evidence for Jesus as Thor, Krishna, and Ra. Words in books. Literally zero evidence exists of anyone named Jesus/Yeshua in Roman occupied Judea aside from cobbled together fan-fiction from 70 AD.
I gave you sources, can you back up your claim like I did?
Anonymous No.82420207 [Report] >>82420248 >>82420265
>>82420058
>can you back up your claim like I did?
I made no claims. I am stating there is a total lack of evidence. You claim there are magic boys casting spells in the asshole of middle east 2000 years ago.

>>82419944
>they were eyewitnesses
Utterly meaningless. Ask 10 eyewitnesses to a crime what happened and you'll get 10 different stories. There are millions that claim to have "eyewitnessed" UFOs.

>Tacitus
Born 25 years after Rabbi Yeshua was supposedly executed. If a ten year old started lecturing you about the 90s, would you listen?

>Josephus
Jew turned Roman backstabber. Also born after the supposed god-rabbi's death. His claim to fame is convincing his surrounded garrison to commit "assisted suicide" (they took turns killing each other) until only he and one other guy was left then he surrendered like a bitch and joined the Romans. Yeah, I trust this asshole to be honest.

>Physics...
Has nothing to do with the spirits of ancient mystics. Those cocksuckers didn't know where the sun went at night. The study of physics is so far divorced from sacrificial altars for boogiemen it's like comparing stone tools to a chainsaw. Quit that.
Anonymous No.82420248 [Report] >>82420265 >>82420274
>>82420207
>There is exactly the same evidence for Jesus as Thor, Krishna, and Ra. Words in books. Literally zero evidence exists of anyone named Jesus/Yeshua in Roman occupied Judea aside from cobbled together fan-fiction from 70 AD.
Prove it with sources.

Here are some more people that wrote about Jesus: Pliny the younger, Sutetonius, Thallus, Lucian of samosata, even the Babylon talmud mocked Jesus' existence years after.

So, you said there is EXACTLY the same evidence for Jesus as Thor, Krishna and Ra. Back. it. up. with. sources.
Anonymous No.82420265 [Report]
>>82420207
me again : >>82420248
just put your shit into deepseek because im going to sleep
Anonymous No.82420274 [Report]
>>82420248
>Only adressing that point because the rest B you TFO
kek
Anonymous No.82420280 [Report] >>82420295
>>82420058
>I gave you sources
You gave him word of mouth from historians as if people aren't falliable or have ever lied for their beliefs before.
You gave him no actual, practical, observable evidence.
Anonymous No.82420295 [Report]
>>82420280
>You gave him no actual, practical, observable evidence.
I gave him the writings of people and he gave me emotion. I asked for sources many times and he can't give me. Nothing truly supports his standpoint. It's the ramblings of a scared shitless skeptic.
Anonymous No.82420303 [Report]
now imma schleep.
Anonymous No.82420318 [Report] >>82420348
>>82419944
>resorting to emotions
>no im not cryin its u cryin!!!!!!
>Jesus' existence is confirmed by non-Christian historians like Tacitus and Josephus, which is more than many ancient figures have.
As much evidence as Allah, Krishna, Zeus and Odin have.
>The apostles didn't just believe
>they died for that truth
People can be brainwashed to die for anything, for example, that woman setting herself afire because some palestinian monkes getting purged by Jews.
>The earthquake at the crucifixion is supported by geological data.
How earthquake and partial (why an almighty God didn't set full eclipse for his death scene to be more dramatic?) eclipse.
>Physics confirms the universe had a beginning and requires a cause.
Atheism doesn't claim there is no starting event in universe. And why a starting event obligated to be divine? It can be a random quantum event. How can you prove the cause is exactly a personal God exactly from a particular holy book of an exact particular religion or sect? Why doesn't a personal God require a cause himself? Beginning of the universe is an uncharted area for now, anyone can claim anything and it would be impossible to disprove because of a lack of information.
>This isn't about ancient myths; it's about historical and philosphical reasoning leading to a logical conclusion.
It's purely philosophical, no one knows exactly.
>a man claiming to be God being executed, THEN RETURNING TO LIFE. Witnessed by hundreds of people.
Hundreds of witnesses is from a single passage by Paul who didn't even meet Jesus himself. Apostles can't even agree on the crucifixion time and was the cave with Jesus's body already empty when two Marys came or they actually saw him.
Secondly, Jesus was a popular name in Judea, there were thousands of Jesuses. He also had a regular haircut. And you could get crucifixed for any reason. There is a high chance of multiple Jesuses getting crucifixed. I don't claim Jesus didn't exist, there absolutely was an [too long]
Anonymous No.82420328 [Report]
Does anyone go to church here? What is the status of NEETs?
Anonymous No.82420348 [Report] >>82420360 >>82420519
>>82420318
...there absolutely was an cult led by man named Jesus who claimed he is the son of Yahweh. By the way, the early church figured out he is supposed to be God in their religion hundreds of years after. And another hundreds of years they argued of he was equal to Yahweh or not.
>I wasn't "brainwashed", it was by looking at the historical method and the evidence itself.
No cultist is brainwashed in their own opinion until they realize they are.
Anonymous No.82420360 [Report] >>82420385 >>82420387
>>82420348
>an cult
Anonymous No.82420385 [Report]
>>82420360
I am non-English and was typing quickly this to continue my post.
Anonymous No.82420387 [Report]
>>82420360
holy fuck you got his ass....
Anonymous No.82420519 [Report]
>>82420348
Addition: there are Canaanite scrolls that suggest Yahweh is actually a pagan god of storm and war from the Canaanite or Jewish panteon. He had a father, called El (the first god who created others), and a wife. He was also the head of gods conquil. This is why the word Elohim (plural of God in Hebrew) is used in Genesis, they were writing about the gods concuil. Later, Abraham, the landlord and a businessman, probably figured out monotheism is more useful to control people, so he unified all gods in Yahweh, claiming that he had talked with God and made a covenant. The New Testament is most likely an extension to rule over the Gentiles.
Anonymous No.82421548 [Report]
>>82419705 (OP)
I'll answer the question as an ancient emperor did.
You should live your life as if God existed because:
1) if he truly exists, you'll bask in eternal glory and happiness in the afterlife for conducting a good and just life
2) if he doesn't exist, you'll still have conducted a good and just life, which is the best thing you can do for yourself and others
Anonymous No.82421559 [Report]
>>82419705 (OP)
why not? it's not like you lose anything. it's the safe path to take
Anonymous No.82421605 [Report]
>>82419705 (OP)
If a god exists he clearly despises me, so I would rather not do him the service of worshipping him.