Thread 82425697

Is OCD neurodivergence or mental illness?

both
in an original fashion

>>82425697 (OP)
I think mental illness, but I'm a little biased since I collect mental illnesses like they're Poemon.

>>82425707
*Pokemon

Fuck me daddy :0

>>82425707
>>82425713
Kill yourself tranny

With a rope :0

>>82425697 (OP)
>Is having violent fucked up obsessive thoughts 24/7 and switching the light switch on and off exactly 43 times before leaving the room a mental disorder

Gee I don't know anon

>>82426139
OCD is just an exaggeration of normal human traits (much like ADHD and autism). Everyone has intrusive thoughts or double checks things, it's the frequency and intensity of these behaviors that cross the threshold into disorder.

>>82425697 (OP)
>does this concept
>fall under this other concept
>or that
I wonder how many levels of abstraction you must think upon to justify sticking to your weird ways

>>82425768
Wow, based!!

B^)

Everything considered "neurodivergent' is really mental illness and used as an excuse to act like a shitty person.

>>82426342
"Neurodivergence" is just autism or ADHD, and sometimes dyslexia or whatever. The difference is autism isn't a mental illness. You can't "catch a bad case" of seasonal autism like you can with depression or even OCD.

>>82425697 (OP)
I have OCD. It's both. It's also hell on Earth. I can't imagine how much better my life would be if I didn't have OCD.

>>82426371
Did it start in childhood? Mine started in early adolescence but hasn't been as bad lately. It's episodic, it waxes and wanes. That's why it's not really neurodivergent. But my life is still a complete mess which is why I eventually revisited an ADHD diagnosis and sure enough that's the real issue.

>>82425768
You've got the obsessive part down

>>82426175
what is this, state the obvious thread

>>82425697 (OP)
It's hard to say because I didn't develop the full-blown disorder until I was 14 but I've always had "obsessive-compulsive" tendencies like sticky thinking, constant introspection, and neurotic overanalysis among other things, as well as just being generally "spergy" to the point where several teachers and peers alike assumed I was autistic. I feel "neurodivergent" in the sense that my cognitive style has always been very different from most people to the point where I feel like an alien. But it's not as clear-cut as ADHD or autism. However it's hard to imagine a "neurotypical" seemingly developing OCD out of the blue in adulthood with no prior tendencies.

>>82426407
I have ADHD and Autism as well as OCD. I don't know why, but different varieties of mental retardation often come in groups.

>>82425697 (OP)
What a dashing chap

>>82426503
Which one is the worst for you?

I had a friend who had worst OCD ever. If you touched him you had to touch him again to untouch. He would freeze and his face would show discomfort until he was "fixed".

When I was a kid I had to touch thing's 11 time's. Everything, even closing app's I had to open and close them 11 time's.. Then it kind of went away and now I am back touching thing's 4 time's. Which is better than 11 but still hell. Everything I touch gotta touch 4 time's.

I was even aware of not having to do this and one day deciding to touch sink handle 4 time's knowing it would set off OCD. Still did it anyway and now i can't control it. Fuck this shit.

>>82427520
I wish I had that kind of OCD instead of the "what if I'm actually a pedophile murderer and killed a child last week but forgot" or "what if the universe doesn't even exist and everything around me is fake" kind of OCD

>>82427708
I still have the feeling's of everything is fake and does not exist. I dissociate every day. Nothing feel's real. This can't be real.

>>82427743
For me it's more depersonalization. I look in the mirror and see a stranger. I recall memories that feel like dreams. When called by name it takes me a second or two to even register it because I forget who I am

>>82427836
I feel like my brain and thought's are the true me and my body is just a vessel. Sometime's I don't recognize my self and then think. Oh yeah, that is me. But not as bad as your's.

I feel like a flesh robot. A machine. IDGAF about myself.

>>82425697 (OP)
Neurodivergence.
If someone has severe OCD and no one to help them get through it, they won't know what to do and will be living in torture. That's not intelligence...

If you have OCD, I hope you're okay. I can give advice if you need help, I get through it decently well compared to when I was a tortured child.

>>82425697 (OP)
Mental illness. It's not genetic and is typically the result of forming and reinforcing the wrong neural pathways. Also it doesn't come with any "strengths" the way autism and ADHD do, so it's not really a neurodivergent experience and is more of just a net negative.

>>82425697 (OP)
It is a mental illness according to wikipedia, but it is not uncommon to be diagnoses alongside neurodivergent disorders. Like with any mental illness or disorder if you have one you usually get a few more added on.

>>82429643
>It's not genetic
Wrong
>Also it doesn't come with any "strengths"
Perfectionism, extreme attention to detail, and persistence aren't strengths?

>>82425697 (OP)
As someone with OCD, it's mental illness.

>>82427520
I can relate to a lot of this, both the "double negative" thing that your friend had and the "do thing x times to be sure".
The only way I've been able to fight back against it is to either:
a) Force myself to stop doing it. Even though that's stressful, usually the obsession will fuck off eventually
b) Condition myself to not do it with light negative reinforcement. I'll say "last time" or "no more" to myself, and if I do it again anyways then I'll do a really light but time-wasting "punishment" like lightly bonking myself on the head several times.
c) Just keep doing it if it's inconsequential, like occasionally saying something under my breath 11 times, or if it's beneficial, like checking my pockets every time I leave somewhere (saved my wallet once this way).

Captcha: 2RAD0

its a mental illness and a deep curse and no matter how much i clutch and claw at my head i cannot scrape it out of my skull

>>82428925
Please give advice. Orhejen

>>82429832
Why does OCD "feel" neurodivergent if it's not, especially with those born with it

>>82425697 (OP)
Its a mental illness not neurodivergent because sometimes its not as bad. Meanwhile autism or adhd are always how they are. You dont really have a good autism or adhd day, its just kinda how your brain always works no matter what

>>82429917
It probably just has a high comorbidity rate with autism and ADHD. I have them too, after all.

>>82425713
what's worse than ''daddy''?