Thread 82434131

Why do kind men almost always turn out to be manipulative?

I thought they were a better alternative to nice guys, but now I'm wondering if they're worse. Nice guys tend to be superficial and simple, while kind men are often great at lowering your guard and easing you into whatever abuse they have mind. Kind men are often better at floating under the radar, at making people feel safe and free from worry, and better at subtlety and self-efficacy, which is what makse you lower your guard.

And this is what so often makes the inevitable abuse so much worse. How it slips in over time before you can react, how you can never pinpoint when it started exactly, and how by the time you finally notice, the damage has already been done (and never leaves you)

Kindness, genuine kindness, seems to be another facade

>>82434131 (OP)
I'm kind to people who are kind to me. People who are unkind to me are most likely fat sacks of shit :)

everything aside why do you think you're going to find sympathy here

>>82434131 (OP)
I'm a kind man
Are you nice or kind, anons?

>>82434131 (OP)
Most people are passively manipulative or are being manipulated. That's unfortunately how the world works. Broadly speaking I wouldn't consider myself a "nice" person, but I highly value moral consistency and act within a stable moral framework that mostly functions around the Golden Rule. That's about the best you can do.

actual kind people are not trying to flex their kindness 24/7. you are gullible and letting yourself get tricked

>>82434131 (OP)
You'll say this, cast aside someone who does want to be kind to you and go get railed by an actual manipulative asshole

>>82434131 (OP)
ive found that both are awful and manipulative, just in different ways. theres genuinely no point dating anymore

Hey guys, is it "kind" to ghost someone? Anyway have fun sending nudes to all your orbiters douchebag, go fuck yourself

>>82434156
>actual kind people are not trying to flex their kindness 24/7
And these kind men don't do anything of the sort. They are sincerely kind, which is how many of the abuses and manipulations go unnoticed for so long

>>82434131 (OP)
i get manipulative when women dont do what i want, and they never do, so im always manipulative. maybe act normal and i wont have to react in kind

>>82434192
>kind
>but also a manipulator
you're tripping lol

>>82434225
jesus christ cope you sniveling retard, say what you mean and mean what you sat erm im so heckin manipulative xD shut up faggot
when women call a man "manipulative" it means he says what he's thinking and what he wants and doesn't give a shit whatever bullshit rationalization retard foid might try to concoct, she is NOT describing someone who tries to fuck with her head to get in her pants she's describing someone telling her to FUCK OFF

>>82434243
chat is this really true

>>82434131 (OP)
We've all been abused by at least one bpdemon or similar mentally ill women so we either quit the dating game or start playing selfishly. Sorry nona

>>82434284
Don't worry, she is the worst bottom of the barrel type whore you could imagine.

>>82434233
sadly she's not making anything up. being kind and manipulative aren't mutually exclusive, and happen quite common actually. being kind to people is one of the most utilized methods in controlling them

>>82434131 (OP)
Because you're falling for male manipulators and you're too dumb of a whore to see it
It's been like 10 minutes and I forgot to post this lol

>>82434332
>male manipulators
Kind men, basically

>>82434243
why did my little post make u so mad fella

>>82434354
>Kind men, basically
Not true, you're just either too ignorant or turning a blind eye for their actions.

>>82434312
Speaking from experience, two-timey?
>>82434361
Because women are blind to the actual way you faggots act, but being upfront and in the open is a bad thing compared to being cutthroat and subversive as you are. Because women are blind surface level retards with no self awareness, they'll see you as less of a threat because they have no threat perception.
>>82434354
Kindness: Friendly, generous, considerate
Manipulative: scheming, devious, slick
Ok now tell me how the two fit together, please, go on. All of you retarded gaslightling delusional cunts are welcome to answer.

>>82434376
It is true, you just lack social experiences to recognize such men and their commonality

>>82434309
Has this chick posted here a lot before?

Hint: If a man is abusive, he's not a kind man.

Your issue is you go after toxic abusive men and think because they pet a dog once they're a kind man, but they're just a toxic abusive man that's sometimes less toxic. 100% a you problem, your price is above your value and this is how the difference will be paid.

>>82434404
Nah of course not, I'm pretty sure OP is trans

>>82434396
Nice fallacy of definitions, but
>Kindness: Friendly, generous, considerate
And also
>: scheming, devious, slick

>Manipulative: scheming, devious, slick
And also
>: Friendly, generous, considerate
And also

>Ok now tell me how the two fit together, please, go on
Because they overlap quite consistently in practice, and are the most common forms of abuse outside of the physical

>>82434428
Retard logically there is absolutely 100% no overlap. Like that other anon said, your BLINDNESS to people does not change the DEFINITIONS OF WORDS. Retard!

>>82434396
log off and have sex immediately ,

>>82434419
Most abusive men are kind individuals and vice versa, and the idea to the contrary is simply an incel's idea of how kindness and abuse works

>>82434442
Okay anon I'll report back in 30 mins, wish me luck, last time I accidentally busted one of her ovaries and we had to go to the hospital...

>>82434404
It's just the usual

>>82434445
Pig whores be like
>I only ghosted you for a week while I was getting my pussy stretched out by other people, why are you being so mean?

>>82434445
No, they absolutely are not. When judging how good a person is you do it not by what good they've done but by how little bad they've done. If someone is kind and helps old ladies across the street but it also a serial killer, the man is just a serial killer.

You seem to have difficulty understanding this to the point where I doubt you have ever actually interacted at length with someone that is truly a kind intelligent man, you seem to purely go for low quality men that you find pretty.

Sad in it's own way, but this is how the gene pool fixes itself, you're meant to be phased out. It's just nature.

>>82434131 (OP)
you mean dark triad sociopath chad that you think is kind fembot. I'm a kind man and women ignore me because I'm 30 and past my prime

>>82434131 (OP)
>Why do kind men almost always turn out to be manipulative?
By what definition do you mean kind? And by what definition do you mean abuse? It sounds to me like you've tautologically asserted everyone is an abuser. If both the kind and unkind are abusive, who else is left? Do you make the distinction that women fundamentally cannot abuse?

>>82434441
>there is absolutely 100% no overlap
then you're an incel who doesn't know what he's talking about. abusers using kindness as part of their technique is an extremely common practice and how most abuses take place. it's literally how they're able to accrue victims in the first place

>>82434131 (OP)
Let me guess, your sample size is the 2 men you dated. And the man your friend dated.

>>82434480
IF
THEY
USE
"KINDNESS"
TO
MANIPULATE
YOU
IT
ISN'T
KINDNESS
RETARD!

>>82434471
>but by how little bad they've done
This is more common in abusive men than non-abusive

>If someone is kind and helps old ladies across the street but it also a serial killer
Then it still means they're a kind person doing kind things

>You seem to have difficulty understanding this
The pot calling the kettle black

>>82434474
>It sounds to me like you've tautologically asserted everyone is an abuser
1). That's not what a tautology is; 2). It certainly seems like all men are abusive

>>82434401
I am a kind man nigger, I've never hurt anyone and I'm a victim of this earth. Those men are evil, they approach you Nz don't care for their consequences which is why you love them, because they're risk-takers and you love that, and you fall for their fake kindness because you're a dumb slut who doesn't understand men. I'm too innocent for any of you, you all use, lie, cheat, steal, and I, along with my meek brothers, deserve a better place than this

>>82434494
>if they use kindness to manipulate
Then it's still kindness, Anon

>>82434507
holy fuck you are one dumbass nigga

>>82434131 (OP)
You must realize, kindness IS manipulation, they are one and the same. The sole exception is when someone is kind because of a moral code of ethics they live by. If you want genuinely kind men, you will find them at church. But there are a lot of manipulators there too. If you want to see which someone is, look at their actions. Are they kind to people, or kind in general? What do they stand to gain?
I once knew a dude who would stop to pick up trash in the street. He never made a big deal out of it. He would brush it off when asked about it. That dude was doing that purely because it was the right thing to do. That's a kind man, not a manipulative man. He was not just kind to people to get what he wanted, he was kind when nobody was looking. Look for the people who quietly do things that are of no benefit to them, purely because it's the right thing to do. You have to look hard, because if they make it obvious, they aren't kind, they are performative and manipulative.

>>82434471
>When judging how good a person is you do it not by what good they've done but by how little bad they've done.
Not that anon, but suppose a person would, given the chance, commit a crime upon another, but are in a powerless position to act on their bad intentions. What then?

Another example, suppose you kill a person for the purpose of saving two, a classic utilitarian dilemma, your position as you've stated follows a deontological position, that acts are wrong not for the consequences but for the act itself is evil and degrading regardless of the expected consequence, did you mean it that way, or are consequences factored into it?

Further, consider instead an opposite position in which inaction actually leads to 10 people dying when you could have stopped a train car from hitting them with only the press of a button. Is that inaction when you know you could have helped equal to a bad act?

>>82434504
>I am a kind man
Truly kind people never identify as such

>nigger
Disproving yourself

>I've never hurt anyone
Pathological lie

>and I'm a victim of this earth
Pretending to be the victim of anything

>and you fall for their fake kindness
Fake kindness is easy to spot, sincere kindness is often sophisticated abuse

>I'm too innocent for any of you
Basic narcissism

>>82434499
1). That's not what a tautology is;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tautology_(logic)
> In mathematical logic, a tautology (from Ancient Greek: ) is a formula that is true regardless of the interpretation of its component terms, with only the logical constants having a fixed meaning. For example, a formula that states "the ball is green or the ball is not green" is always true, regardless of what a ball is and regardless of its colour. Tautology is usually, though not always, used to refer to valid formulas of propositional logic.
>If both the kind and unkind are abusive, who else is left?
That IS in fact what a tautology is. Full disclosure: Your need to correct me on something you're actually wrong about makes me think you might just be obnoxious and people don't abuse you. I'm skeptical of your outlook and think there's probably something deficient in your behavior. My pessimism about you and this thread makes me feel almost ready to leave it and forget you exist.
> 2). It certainly seems like all men are abusive
Just to you or also others? Are women abusive or just men?
>By what definition do you mean kind?

Men are shit, they don't know what kindness is.

>>82434597
>they don't know what kindness is.
Well, if you were truly kind you would educate us all and share with us the true definition of kindness.

>>82434587
yeah, and that's not at all what she did, so i'm not sure how you managed to associate tautology with her arguments. even the examples you gave have nothing to do with tautologies or anyone's arguments itt

>>82434587
>That IS in fact what a tautology is
And you're clearly misreading your own citation.

>>82434631
>>82434647
You are a mentally ill brainlet, good luck with your thread. I'm going to go play videogames.

>>82434494
>>82434504
>>82434520
>>82434587
>>82434609
lot of "nice guys" outing themselves rn

>>82434687
I'm good to people who deserve it BIETCH

>>82434731
nice guys always claim to be nicer than they really are
>BIETCH
not kind or nice

>>82434687
Retard, kind men aren't just mindless ants afraid of confrontation.

>>82434131 (OP)
Stop categorizing people and placing them under a label. Judge others as individuals based on themselves. If you label someone as a nice guy, kind guy, whatever you were then applying all of the stereotypes to those labels to that person that are not true, they become assumed and you know what happens when you assume

>>82434739
I'd say you can't take a joke but then I looked at your life and you seem to be taking it pretty well ;)