Thread 82458163

i truly don't understand how people can cheat on their partners and not feel like killing themselves

Because a lot of people are immoral and have numbed themselves to being a piece of shit. They will justify their actions and make themselves out to be the victim despite knowing that what they have done is a direct violation of another human being's trust.

There's a reason we used to stone these people.

>>82458163 (OP)
normies lie to themselves 24/7
their spineless psyche is constantly reajusting to keep a precarious balance

>>82458163 (OP)
I feel the same with men who watch porn while being in a relationship. There's something so disgusting about your partner jacking off to other women, while being in a committed relationship.

>>82458251
>this is totally equivalent, says the whore who springs another man's baby on you

Imagine if your gf did something really, really terrible to you, but in a way where it wasn't directly her fault, like accidentally totaling your car or losing you thousands of dollars, and the resentment and inner turmoil builds for months and months. You feel guilty for resenting her so much so think cheating will help. And it actually does and you are able to move forward because you don't feel cucked by her accidentally fucking you over.

>>82458255
I'm always faithful to my partner and I expect my man to do the same for me. But I wouldn't expect a dopamine-fried coomer with a micro-peen to grasp basic human decency. Stay mad, scrote.

>>82458251
I don't see it as the same person se, but I can understand the sentiment and I do think it opens the door for thinking about other people. And of course, thoughts lead to actions. Hence why I gave up porn when I was with my ex.

>>82458255
Would you not feel insecure if you caught your girlfriend looking at porn of other men?

>>82458284
>a man fell in love with a r9k whore

men are such simps even if you told him where you browse he wouldn't care as long as he has access to pussy

>>82458303
>Would you not feel insecure if you caught your girlfriend looking at porn of other men?
NTA my gf looks at women models in her solo times. It is fine

>>82458251
are you going to suck my dick everytime i'm horny?

>>82458163 (OP)
you're very noble bro, i'm sure your wife or gf really appreciates how honorable you are... oh wait

>>82458344
>looks at women models
Is she bisexual?

Regardless, it is natural to be jealous and protective to an extent. When your partner actively desires others and begins to act on said desire (masturbating to the idea of having sex with others) it is fully understandable to feel hurt and upset over it.

>>82458251
>>82458284
This is a perfectly fine standard to hold assuming monkeybranching and transactional whores don't exist.

However, any spiritually damned "relationship" deserves to be drowned in porn addicted chaos

>>82458303
So many people used to gaslight me... they'd call me insecure, like my feelings didn't matter. But thank you for not doing that. I wish my ex boyfriend had your mindset. I tried so hard to be okay with things that really hurt me. I even ended up gaslighting myself just to keep the peace. But eventually... I couldn't take it anymore. I opened up to him, told him how uncomfortable it made me feel... but no matter what I said, he kept choosing porn over me. That broke me. So I let him go. I realized I'd rather be single than feel that kind of emptiness ever again. I'm really sorry things didn't work out with your previous partner. You deserve someone who sees your worth someone who truly loves and appreciates you for everything you are.

>>82458311
I did everything my ex asked of me and he still looked at porn behind my back. Men cheat even when you give them all of you.

>>82458163 (OP)
Monogamy is unnatural, you horny human

>>82458251
i think theres some truth to this, but you need communication
you need to talk about it
you need to tell the guy "no porn"
if he agrees, and he watches porn, then he's cheating
but this is a very restrictive way of life for men, because men are sexually attracted to lots of females
if you tell him this, it means you dont love him and dont want whats best for him, because if you loved him, you'd be okay with him lusting for other women
but tecnically i think you're right

>>82458373
>Is she bisexual?
No, she says she imagines herself wearing the lingerie and stuff and that gets her off. Then she buys the ones she likes

>>82458405
>we are natural
>we created cultures with monogamy
>monogamy is natural

>>82458405
Chemotherapy is unnatural. So are antibiotics, make up, shoes, and soap. So if you wanna go back to being a caveman move out of your apartment and into a hole like the ancestors you are trying to emulate. Stupid scrote logic.

>>82458405
Something being unnatural isn't an argument, we do "unnatural" things all the time and they're very cool. Your fat smelly gay poly relationship is the exception, not the norm!

Cheating is usually a symptom of a bigger problem, like resentment or feeling dis-empowered in the relationship. I've never cheated out of pure lust there was always some reason that couldn't be talked through that was making me feel suffocated.

>>82458395
>people used to gaslight me
Kinda just the state of the world, anon. Sadly a lot of people don't value loyalty the way they should and everyone gives into depravity bit by bit and calls you crazy when you point out its origin.

>A time is coming when men will go mad. And when they see someone who is not mad, they will say "you are mad, for you are not like us"

Regardless, I am sorry to hear about what happened with you and yours. Hopefully you'll find a man who will be a better fit for you.

>You deserve someone who sees your worth
I appreciate it, but I'm a bastard in a lot of ways. I'm also a divorced dad now so women look at me like I have the plague. But again, thank you for the sentiment

>>82458430
>>82458424
>>82458422
I'm not even moralizing or demoralizing, just saying it's no surprise that people deviate from a contrived norm which runs contrary to their biology.

>>82458163 (OP)
I am of the opinion that nothing done to women can be considered morally impermissible due to their inherently ontologically evil nature. I support cheating on women as much as possible for maximum emotional damage and have cheated in every relationship I've ever been in. I do not feel any remorse or guilt about this whatsoever because women deserve to be cheated on and don't deserve loyalty or fidelity.

>>82458462
LARP and bait. Get better material.

Ehh you get used to it, and then it becomes addicting.
I've cheated on all my partners at least 50 times. I've slowed down a lot though, and haven't done anything this past year.

>>82458527
Question. Would you be okay with your partner if she cheats on you? Be honest.

>>82458462
>I am of the opinion that nothing done to women can be considered morally impermissible due to their inherently ontologically evil nature

this frail logic breaks when it comes to child torture
is it okay to torture and kill women children?
how about 14 year old virgins? how about 20 year olds? 40 year olds?
it would seem wrong to do so, which would make your statement wrong

and the second counter arguement to this line of thinking, is that this is a two wrongs make a right line of thinking
so like, "if someone killed my child, its okay for me to kill their child", which to me seems wrong on reflection

even if we grant that women are evil, it doesnt seem right to abuse them endlessly

another argument against this is the "i didnt ask for it argument" basically, even if they are evil, theyy didnt ask to be born and cant be blamed for their nature. you are abusing their nature, but they are inherently innocent, no different than a tier, who is also cruel

also, i think females are just incompetent,not evil. females account for 80% of vegans, after all
but i also look down on them for being largely lying whores who do nothing but deceive and abuse power, even if they are incompetent spoiled children

and i think if ur girl doesnt tolerate you being with other women she doesnt love you

>>82458538
Nah it's happened a few times. It's not great. Why?

>>82458578
>It's not great.
And you're okay doing it to other people?

>>82458584
theres plenty of people that are just hypocrite pieces of shit who abuse power and dont care
lying, cheating, stealing, this and that. they just like doing it, dont care, and have the power to do it
theres plenty of people like that. who betray trust like its nothing and dont care about it

just how it is. people are really shitty garbage. i dont understand how anyone can like people

>>82458584
>women
>people

>>82458584
Yes, I'm okay with it. It's exciting.

>>82458163 (OP)
have you ever watched porn?

>>82458251
I didn't get this and deeply upset my ex (first gf) when we were dating and she saw me looking at porn. And not even really hardcore stuff, it was just images of scantily clad women with big tits because that's my thing.

I didn't even try to hide it really, because I didn't think it was a big deal. She had a complete meltdown and cried, her face turned red and she shouted at me. She asked me if I wasn't satisfied with her size (she is a titlet). It triggered all her insecurities.

I apologized and stopped looking at it for the most part... never looked at it in front of her, but when I felt sexually frustrated, I still would in private.

>>82458303
>Would you not feel insecure if you caught your girlfriend looking at porn of other men?
Personally, I wouldn't care that much. But that's because porn is so normalized to me. I've been looking at it since I was a kid, all my friends did it, and I seriously didn't understand that some people like my ex weren't into it and had different views about it. I was adaptable to her views and tried to make her happy. But there was a big mismatch in opinion, and you might not understand mine when I say that I genuinely don't see it as a big deal if you look at guys on the internet, because they aren't people you know in real life. If you were staring at a naked guy right in front of you, yeah that would bother me because you could cheat. But if it's on a screen, I just don't really care - and if it makes you horny but you fuck me with that energy, it's actually a good thing.

>>82458739
>If you were staring at a naked guy right in front of you, yeah that would bother me because you could cheat
I've always looked at it like this; if you're staring at a thin and pretty girl with big boobs on the screen, or she's staring at some bodybuilder with a foot long dong, that points to dissatisfaction either your partner. There is an ideal that they aren't fitting and as such you are now outsourcing your sexual gratification. Like I said, actions begin with thoughts, and opening the door to thinking about other men or women is the first step to cheating.

I want someone who satisfies me in such a way I don't even want to look at other girls. And I want to be that guy for her too. Anything less would be a well of insecurity for us both whether we admit it or not.

>>82458798
This really just goes against some built in nature of us. You can't control what you find attractive, yet you're thinking you can.

OK, so you're in a relationship with someone and you just happen to see someone else that catches your eye. You can't control that appeal. You don't HAVE to act on it, but it's just the way it is.

Naturally, there is a distinction between the aforementioned and consistently seeking out material.

i think the problem is that, for me atleast, if i were to cum, im always thinking about another girl

even if i told a girl ill be loyal, then i will be loyal. i really hate the idea of lying to someone who presumably loves me. so i delete all porn, delete all pictures of the beautiful asian girls i have, but still, in my brain, i still want to lewd every hot sexy girl i see

i cannot stop my fantasies, and i cannot change what i find sexually desirable, and presumably after fucking my gf a hundred times, her ALONE wont be enough for me. even if id be pumping her, id be thinking of another girl

this kind of relationship is quite miserable, and i think i would have to be honest and say it. i would say "im so miserable being sexually loyal to you. even in my fantasies i want other girls, but i am true to my word. it feels like you dont care if im happy"

i think saying anything else would be lying. i think many relationships are built of lies, like people pretending "shes the only girl who i ever found attractive" is just depressing lies. i dont think its "growing up" to build a life on lies. thats what normies do, and normies are despicable filth who no self-respecting person ought immitate

and to me, if she cant accept me for who i am, then its better id not be with her
"better to be hated for what you are, than loved loved loved for what you're not"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_g5zb5GDmWc

>>82458798
Most couples just think it's fun to watch porn together and fantasize, you lil goofball :3

>>82458839
>You can't control what you find attractive
You can control what thoughts you entertain. When I was married I didn't allow myself to think about other women. I would still think some girls looked nice, but the wife was the only one I let myself think about it that manner.

Like you said, the difference is whether or not you entertain the idea and seek it out. Passing thoughts are one thing; I get passing thoughts about shooting the people that cur me off in traffic. But if you fantasize about being with someone other than your partner and do it consistently it will hurt the relationship

>>82458251
Agreed, it's sad this is controversial.

>>82458942
>You can control what thoughts you entertain.
no you cannot. i literally cannot think about hot sexy girls and creampieing them
if i see a hot sexy girl i instantly get flashes of my pumping her raw in the first 3 seconds of me seeing her, and shell be on my mind for hours after that

i literally cannot change how my brain works. if im cumming its of her or her friends or the degenerate shit i see on 4chan. otherwise i am not going to have a orgasm

>But if you fantasize about being with someone other than your partner and do it consistently it will hurt the relationship
ok. in theory, i dont necessarily mind denying myself all sexual pleasure to be with someone i love. but it is miserable, and i dont think a girl can say she loves me if im sexually miserable because her preferences on what i cum to must override what i find sexually attractive

>>82458163 (OP)
After 2 decades of trying to fit in with Normies, I can easily answer that:
They are narcisstic sociopaths, all of them, every single sex haver is a morally bankrupt bad person and this is why they get women and this is why they have the ability to cheat on them.
Every single positive characteristic is shut down by women as "not ACTUALLY this or that" or described as toxic and controlling, so women only let actual bad people fuck them, so those exact type of men then cheat on them, obviously.

>>82459110
>literally cannot change how my brain works
Look into the term "neuroplasticity." You absolutely can. Kind of like how you have wore yourself to be a coombrain which is abnormal outside of 4chins.

>dont think a girl can say she loves me if im sexually miserable
I don't think you can say you love a woman if you are unwilling to be exclusive with her

>>82458251
>I feel the same with men who watch porn while being in a relationship. There's something so disgusting about your partner jacking off to other women, while being in a committed relationship.
you'll give up the erotic novels for your man right?

First time i did it i got soft mid sex from guilt and that feeling eventually went away the more i did it

>>82459129
>Every single positive characteristic is shut down by women as "not ACTUALLY this or that" or described as toxic and controlling
Wow, crazy to think that you of all people would be pussyless.

>>82458163 (OP)
Women are dumb cheating whores just by genetic default, and I don't really care too much about the cheating manwhores because the women that always go for that type of man get what they deserve. Just not worth thinking about altogether, as far as I'm concerned.

>>82459152
Eventually it's the only thing that really gets you hard. Bonus points if you do it in front of your partner.

>>82459177
Incels are Incels because they are morally just and good people, which women despise more than anything.

>>82458163 (OP)
If you Make me want to cheat then you probably deserve it. But also if you don't find out it doesn't matter.

>>82458251
you say this but most women are posting themselves half naked or posting vocaroos and art for attention. And a lot of you are reading smut or using ai to sext with so that's even worse than porn.

>>82459192
>Incels are Incels because they are morally just and good people
eermmm...thats not true. incels are incels because they have no power

no power to be confident, to talk to sexy girls, to pull hot sluts, to be attractive and slay hot cunny after cunny

incels dont really have morals. many times if you bring up veganism to them, they will mock it and throw meat in the trash to spite you. most people on like incels.is are like this, same as this place. incels dont care about morals, they are usually nihilists and embrace might-makes-right philosophies

i dont think you can reasonably call yourself a good person if you inflict needless suffering and death to animals. i always have to remind this to people. most people are moral trash, including incels

>>82459232
Fuck off vegan tranny.

>>82459141
>I don't think you can say you love a woman if you are unwilling to be exclusive with her
good i dont want to love anyone. i think love is for the weak and willfully blind. not to mention women arent even worth your love in the first place. i aspire to love being with her, but not loving her. id love things of her, like her body or her sex or whatever, but never love her, or anyone, because love is for the weak and vulnerable, and i never aspire to be weak or vulnerable. i think thats a horrible thing to aspire to

average men dont cheat only chad. but all roasties chaet, because they are evil and cant feel true love

>>82459241
sorry i know im super annoying, ill stop, but i always have to remind people with the undeniable facts whenever they get so arrogant as to think of themselves as good people
sorry ill stop, but i had to

>>82459247
Hmm. Sounds like a real healthy mentality, anon. Can't imagine why it didn't work out with your ex.

>>82459291
oh i never had an ex im a loser virgin wizard. but thats irrelevant. i cry because i cant pull hot sluts or a girl who loves me, just like any other incel here, but still i think to fall in love with someone just gives them all of your power, which is a very depressing thing to think about

>>82459192
Okay.

>>82459247
Love is pretty much the greatest thing, though. Takes big balls to love and be loved, but the rewards are well worth it.

>>82459232
Nta but I only became vegan for Morrissey. It's not that hard to do imo when you're an incel living alone. The last time I consumed meat was 3 years ago. The last time I consumed diary products was a year ago. Nowadays the smell of meat has became very unbearable to me.

>>82459354
>Takes big balls to love and be loved
see, i dont really believe in that
i think two way love doesnt exist. love is only one way
either you love her or she loves you
thats it. i dont believe in two way love. i think it doesnt exist. and i think its better that she feels love because then im not vulnerable

i dont believe it exists

>>82459354
Love is just a biological impulse that forces your guard down so that you breed. Then eventually in inevitably wears off and you either A) stick in a boring but stable relationship until you're old or B) cheat. Humans are trash, (romantic) love isn't real.

>>82459327
My bad, thought you were the other guy I was talking to.

Yes, love means vulnerability. If you aren't willing to be vulnerable you don't get to be loved. I've been bitten in the ass by it but some of us are willing to face the music and try anyway.

You don't get to complain about being unloved if you aren't willing to meet the bare minimum requirements.

>>82459374
yeah, but i think the point still stands. you see how easy it is, and you see how most people, including incels dont care, and smugly brush it off. people are a plague on this world

>>82459403
>If you aren't willing to be vulnerable you don't get to be loved
bro what are you talking about
lots of guys have girls falling deeply in love with them, while feeling nothing for the girl
there are girls that fall in love so deeply for a guy, she would kill herself to make him happy. she'd hang off a bridge by his hands, and say "ill let go just to put a smile on your face" and she'd do it too. and the guy would feel nothing for her. this happens all the time

>>82458163 (OP)
They see partners as tingles source and nothing more

>>82459375
Right. Well, I could not believe in the moon, but my nights are still brighter and tides still occur.

>>82459458
yeah thats ok. lots of people believe in all sorts of fantastical stuff, like ghosts or aliens or two-way love. sure. they believe in the bible and all of its fantastical things like moses splitting the red sea or whatever

people believe in all sorts of magical things

>>82459436
>lots of guys have girls falling deeply in love with them
Those are the same BPDemons that will fuck off on him the second they smell an opportunity. People don't "fall deeply in love" with random assholes they barely know. They develop an infatuation. Those chicks are the female version of male simps that give money to e-girls. Instead of getting findommed they give up their snatch. They don't really care about him they have low self esteem and see him as a vehicle to build it whether they consciously acknowledge that or not.

And (You) are a midwit that can't see through the bullshit.

>>82459487
You sure you didn't get lost from r/asianmasculinity or something?

>>82458163 (OP)
The laziest read of history or just watching your local news should teach you that empathy is not really a necessity (in fact, it can provide a huge advantage).

Women are attracted to the same small percentage of men, so men in those circumstances get tempted (and often act on said temptation) to spread their seed without caring about anything beyond their own pleasure.
Women know this and get mad and complain about it, but they still choose the same type of men (especially when they are in their most desirable years) so nothing will ever change probably.

>>82459488
>Those are the same BPDemons that will fuck off on him the second they smell an opportunity.
who cares if you never loved her
>They don't really care about him
sure they do. you are coping so hard its unreal. girls can love a guy for years (in theory). not to mention, everything comes to an end eventually. but her love is very real, you are coping. these girls will get hit by a car to make you smile, or pay for whatever you need, or tolerate anything. when a girl is in love, she really has no limit

>>82459505
why do you have to bullying asian guys for. i dont get it. very rude
why even hate asian guys? they are polite, their girls are hot, they make tasty food, their memes are funny, they make great music, they dont litter (except chinese ppl. wtf chinese people)

>>82459529
>who cares if you never loved her
Nigger you just said they fall in love with those guys. You are shifting the goalpost you colossal faggot.

>girls can love a guy for years (in theory)
Simps can love an e-girl for years. They'll pay for her shit and be a door mat and an emotion puching bag blah blah blah.

But they don't actually care about that woman. They care about the elaborate fantasy they have concocted in their head and if the nasty whore decided to actually try and settle down with him he would eventually realize that and leave to go pursue the fantasy again.

What you don't realize is that often times these people deserve each other. Sometimes they don't. Sometimes a girl or guy really does get taken for a ride by some predatory asshat. But it is neither the rule nor is it relegated to one sex or the other. Most often bad people hurt one another and refuse to see the part they play in their own misery.

Again, (You) are a midwit that fails to conceptualize this.

>>82459522
I literally cheated on my ex with 20-30 other girls and she got mad but still stayed with me. She knew about 10 and must've suspected quite a few others. Sometimes I'd do it in front of her and same reaction. Mad, and complain to her friends, but she didn't leave.

>>82459542
I didn't, Chang. I asked if you're lost from r/asianmasculinity. It's a particular cesspool.

>>82458251

I had a porn addiction since about 11 and continued watching porn through my last relationship and regret every second of it. I could have asked her to do literally any of the degen shit I was watching and I still couldn't stop idk I feel more ashamed as time goes on. Haven't really been able to look at porn since we broke up. I'm more ashamed of those few years than the entire decade+ prior. I was juggling a few addictions but I might regret that one the most. I can't imagine how it made her feel. It sucks to realize how much you did wrong after the fact and it feels too late to make it right. Going to AA now and getting some help with things and just going to pray she contacts me again and I'll be better. I never would have wanted to make these changes before her, I didn't change enough while we were together, but it planted the seeds of how garbage I am and that I really need to change if I want any genuine enjoyment out of this life. My category 5 shid and piss storm after it ended will follow me forever. I am such a simp for her it's absolutely unreal and I treated her like shit I can't explain it. Between this website and my family idk who rubbed off on me more and for worse.

>>82458251
once a gooner always a gooner sadly thats 99% of guys. good luck trying to mitigate that.

>>82459787
What is this picture, anon???