Thread 82564368

>uh yeah well they will just outsource if you don't let them bring H1Bs here
Why can't libtards stop taking Ls? Why choose to die on the hill of big corporations, slave labor, and undercutting the American working class? This is something I never understood about them.

>>82564368 (OP)
Our economy is more dependent on immigrants than our transportation is on motor oil.
They'll figure out some way to keep foreign slaves in those positions.
Until you actually start shutting down corporations for trying to sneak their way around US working condition standards, Raj and Remirez are not going anywhere.

Uhhh the free market is achtually le bad?

>>82564567
>>82564368 (OP)
Why do you hate the global poor?

>>82564578
Yeah actually. It's extremely Jewish

i don't really care who does the job karen from hr would never hire me to do
i don't really care how big the class is
i don't really care that you're a doctor in real life, this is the apprentice

>>82564581
>>82564578
India and Modi always stands up for Indians, stop being entitled to think we would never stand up for our own

>>82564683
yeah of course you hate your job. it's a 3 hour The Voice audition

I've always said that taxes should be a punishment rather than just something everyone is compelled to pay. America really doesn't even need your tax dollars. They can just print money and they do. Taxes should be about controll.

>>82564567
shalom

>>82564578
Always has been.

>>82564720
>America really doesn't even need your tax dollars.
What are you talking about

>>82564720
>They can just print money and they do
MMT is pseudoeconomic fanfiction

>>82564368 (OP)
>self described communists going from heil Marx to anarcho capitalists just because trump did something against free markets

>>82564683
See the western leaders hate their population and wants them replaced. That is the norm that a western leader to not hate their population is a massive departure and threat.

>>82564578
Never has been a thing since globalization. People don't have free movement for labour like companies do, and get stopped by laws, DRM, tariffs, or regulations from purchasing goods significantly cheaper. Companies got the benefits of free market labour and resources, but are always shielded from the drawbacks of consumers having true free market access. Corporations are the biggest welfare queens on earn.

>>82564578
Where have the claims of globalist capitalism ever come true?

- massive and growing national debts everywhere
- worse living standards
- locales filled with semi-savages that rape, murder and plunder and uhh you're a racist if you notice and object to it while the governments that imported them cover it all up

>>82564874
National debt doesn't matter as long as coverage is there which it is for most governments.
Living standards are up, not down
Crime rates are down, not up

>>82564578
>free market
>same corporations control 90% of everything and have for decades
Lmfao

>>82564368 (OP)
Idk these morons always seemed like useful idiots to me. They pretend to care about the working class but when push comes to shove, they always fight for the rich establishment that manipulates and exploits them. I think they do not actually believe any anything, and just do what the media tells them to do.

>>82564977
Sounds like those voluntary associations of people using their money how they like need some State Intervention, the true sign of a free market

>>82564977
>free market
>corporations bring in slave labor and the state is forced to subside the lifestyles of immigrants via money printing (inflation) and entitlements.
>native workers are squeezed into shrinking sectors leading to downward pressure on wages in those sectors as well
>state is forced to float them too.

>>82565038
>not inflation adjusting your debt chart
NGMI

>>82565047
It is measuring it in trillions it's a fine scale they don't need to be inflation adjusted trillions

>>82564888
>I'll just invert reality and claim you're a dumb-dumb
Kill yourself shill

>>82565263
It's not a fine scale. Debt should be measured as % of GDP preferably or at least in real terms. Inflation eroding the value of the debt is an actual mechanism that needs to be taken into account. Over course the actual thing that matters is the cost of the debt relative to GDP but it's not like retard doomers are going to understand that.

>>82564888
>national debt doesnt matter as long as we keep infinitely growing and importing niggers :)))
>and if it does matter, we'll just bail out megacorporations with your tax dollars

>>82564368 (OP)
At this point wouldnt it be cheaper for companies to set up somewhere else?

>>82565284
Real incomes are up
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q
Violent crime is down
https://www.statista.com/statistics/191219/reported-violent-crime-rate-in-the-usa-since-1990/
US interest payments are not at all time highs
https://fred.stlouisfed.org/graph/?g=iEiV

>>82565304
The economy is meant to grow, is that controversial now?
Bailing out megacorps has nothing to do with the debt what an irrelevant thing to say.

>>82565312
>local law enforcement stops reporting after George Groid riots made everything even worse and country is rapidly third-worldizing
>crime down lol
No.

>>82565308
Go ahead. Good luck peddling your products to America (largest consumer market) with all the tariffs in place.

This nigger wants us to believe crime is down when we live in places where major violent crime was almost unheard of 30-40 years ago and now we see reporting of it every single day and it's almost entirely brownoid foreigners doing it

>>82565323
That was 2020 retard. The downtrend in crime has been happening since 1990. Explain the prior 30 years dipshit.

>>82564368 (OP)
N-nandesyo??
First the H1B shit? Now targeting outsourcing? Are we finally being thrown a bone that isn't some ephemeral shit like bitcoin? God? Is this you?

>>82564683
>The Indian fatcats caring about anything but their bottom line
It might be changing as of late but historically modi and his cohort of fat gujrati billionaires havent really cared about their people at all.
>>82564739
Stop playing the victim lmao India is a garbage dump precisely because the government just funnels money into the pockets of corrupt people instead of providing basic public services like Garbage removal and working public transportation

>>82564368 (OP)
They're not actually leftists, they were bought our by neoliberals during the civil rights era. Now they talk about race and nothing else, while corporations rape the working class with a DEI mandate.

>>82565321
It has everything to do with it, don't you remember? We bailed out the big banks in 2008 because "if we didn't the economy would have collapsed and we would have befaulted on our debt".
Also, no. The economy doesn't have to go up infinitely. Just stop deficit spending. The only reason GDP needs to keep going up is because our government is constantly going into greater and greater debt. Cut spending.

There is no point in outsourcing jobs to foreigners if there are more workers than jobs. In the near future the average american will be so desperate to have a job that they'll put up with miserable wages and conditions to get one, and then have no choice but to work more than one job if they want anything beyond surviving. This is by design. The age of exploiting third worlders is over, the government has turned to exploit its own citizens.

>>82564802
They're also protected from other companies. Giant Chinese corpos can't open here and put them out of business.

>>82565455
much easier to make people fight for their rights when they speak english and havent just moved here from india
in the long run i think this is a good thing

>>82565325
>bring H1Bs
get raped
>try to outsource
get raped
>try to move your company
get raped

He is cornering them like rabid dogs. Just pay the fucking wage, greedy bastards.

>>82565451
>if we didn't the economy would have collapsed and we would have befaulted on our debt
You added the last part, that was not the issue at the time. We had a massive liquidity crises and many businesses would have failed to make payroll as a result. The counterfactual would be complete economic devastation that we would still not be recovered from.
>The economy doesn't have to go up infinitely
If you want QoL to improve, yes it does
>Just stop deficit spending
Heterodox retardation
>The only reason GDP needs to keep going up
Is to give us better lives. GDP per capita is everything good in the world. Denying that is absolutely ignorant.

>>82565531
GDP per capita by itself doesn't give people a better life. To improve standards of living, the wealth produced actually has to be redistributed in some way, usually through wages. There's not much of a point in expanding GDP if all of it just goes in the hands of a few billionaires and foreigners.

>>82564368 (OP)
>Why can't libtards stop taking Ls?
they are just literally fucking evil. their celebrating of charlier kirk has finally woken everyone up to that these people are just truly evil and want to see the world burn. i figured this out years ago but i guess normies needed an innocent man to die and for everyone to dance on his grave to see the truth. i'm glad the right have finally found their balls and are pushing back hard on liberalism in every way. you reap what you sow. i dont know who thought it was a good idea to challenge the people who like and embrace guns but this is not a war you're winning

>>82565566
>GDP per capita by itself doesn't give people a better life
And yet there has never been a time where higher GDP per capita has not resulted in better living conditions

>>82565599
Yes, there has. We're living through such a time right now. GDP per capita has never been higher, but most people feel poorer than they did in the 90s.

>>82565612
>most people feel poorer
>feel
But they aren't actually poorer. I don't care about their stupid feels, the fact is that we've never been richer.

>>82564368 (OP)
This isn't a lib thing, republicants do the same by hiring illegal mexicans to work in all their blue collar or manual labor positions.

>>82565685
Rich people have never been richer. Other people are relatively poorer than in the past because, even if income is higher than it was, inflation has outpaced income, and so purchasing power for most people has actually gone down. Pretty much the only exception to this rule in the past decades has been electronics, those are objectively cheaper than back then.

>>82565712
>even if income is higher than it was, inflation has outpaced income
Real median income is up though. The primary pain point is real estate which is why everyone feels poorer, but they are not actually more poor.

>>82565730
Having a roof over your head is a necessity, not a luxury, so if housing takes a bigger portion of your income than before, you become poorer. It's not just housing, though. Food and transportation are more expensive as well, so is education. Pretty much all the basic necessities are relatively more expensive now than before.

>>82565761
>you become poorer
If everything else is cheaper then it balances out
>Food
Given how popular UberEats et al are, I don't buy that food is somehow more expensive than in the past. People eat out more often than ever before and get their stupid private burrito taxi all the time.
>transportation
Cars are still cheaper in real terms now than in the 90s and given that everyone sees the 90s as a golden age I'm a bit confused as to what they actually want.
>Pretty much all the basic necessities are relatively more expensive now than before.
You can't have higher real incomes and have everything be relatively more expensive

>>82565814
>If everything else is cheaper then it balances out
Not if you can't afford everything else because your basic goods are too expensive.

>Given how popular UberEats et al are, I don't buy that food is somehow more expensive than in the past. People eat out more often than ever before and get their stupid private burrito taxi all the time.
They also eat out in restaurants in general much less, which is why they're going out of business at a high rate.

>Cars are still cheaper in real terms now than in the 90s
Definitely not.

>You can't have higher real incomes and have everything be relatively more expensive
Right, and that's why people are poorer now. Real income hasn't gone up, that's just a lie.

>>82565910
>They also eat out in restaurants in general much less
No, they eat out more
https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2024/october/u-s-consumers-increased-spending-on-food-away-from-home-in-2023-driving-overall-food-spending-growth
>as more individuals opted to buy food from restaurants or other eating-out establishments rather than prepare food at home
>Real income hasn't gone up, that's just a lie
Oh, well if you're going to dispute the actual numbers then there's no reason to even have a conversation about it

>>82564368 (OP)
>proposed
Yawn, tell me when it passes.

>>82566603
It's rare that the jew tells you how you're getting jewed

>>82564578
>free market
>goverment interfering by creating a program to bring in pajeets
Pick one