Thread 82964749

>women really traded being taken care of and provided for by the men in their life, venerated as the homemaker and mother, and getting to stay at home with their children teaching and inspiring the next generation for one-night-stands with drug-dealers, student debt, numbing the pain with pills, working at Burger King and supplementing their income by selling pictures of their blown-out holes on the Internet.
Holy fucking shiiiiiiittt is there any group in all human history that fumbled this fucking hard? But they get to control their own numbers on a screen now, so I guess that's more free? TOP KEEEEKKKKKKK, hope destroying your mind, body, and the economy was worth it so one billionaire woman can tell you you run the world.

>>82964749 (OP)
Idgaf anon. I will be educated. Not because I need to. But because I want to. See back in the days, we couldn't make that decision. But now we can

There is a blessing in the fact that we can choose. I am saying this as an immigrant from a 3rd world country. My mom couldn't choose. She couldn't go to school. She was only there to take care of children, get married and have children herself. She fled, so that I could choose. And I will forever cherish the fact that my moma fought so that I could choose. Now I'm on track to become the first woman to ever be educated in my whole lineage. And you may say its a loss, but to me, its a vicotry for all the women before me. We can finaly choose.

They can still find incel it nerds if they want. No need to work if don't want to. If want to study and work then can. Idk if that's a loss

>>82964749 (OP)
The 50s tradwife was just for middle class and above families. 99% of women worked on top of taking care of the family for all of history.

>>82964849
>Now I'm on track to become the first woman to ever be educated in my whole lineage.
Statistically you will also be the last woman in your lineage.

>>82964849
your post is lost on the retards on this board. this is a temple for the losers of society to worship their hatred of everybody else

>>82964849
>I'm an educated woman so that means I'm better or something
"Educated women" have brought us to where we are, I don't think that's a good thing.
Since you're so educated, you should try reading this
https://www.compactmag.com/article/the-great-feminization/

>>82964849
Why is "choosing" such a victory though? Men don't get a choice. They're all destined to that life of wageslaving or early death, and women believe it's empowering to be able to willingly choose that over a less stressful lifestyle kek
>b-but muh taking care of children
Taking care of a home and looking after kids really isn't the same as working your ass off for 60+ hours a week to provide for a family

>>82964849
based choosing femanon

>>82964881
Women always worked women jobs and raised families at the same time. Modern women got memed into thinking it's either or. No matter, their choice has led it so they dont have the choice anymore, often enough.

>>82965022
>>82965004
>>82964950
You guys are very dim. When did I ever talk about wokeness? Or the abandonment of domestic chores? Or about worker rights? Ugh.

I was talking about the fact that I can become educated, unlike the women before me. I also find int peculiar that you talk about men working; all women before me worked too. As farmers and traders. I on the other hand, can spend my time learning, simply because of my love for it. I can become educated, because I yearn for it. And i hope that i can make education more available to the poor and women.

>>82965022
>oy vey, why would goyim care about having free will?
Lmaooo

>>82965004
>get educated
>magazine article
>helen andrews
holy kek

>Women really wanted to stop being beaten, raped and financially shackled to men unable to exist in the world without existing as a commodity to be traded and sold

Not even a woman but why are zoomies falling for blatant PragerU tier arguments?

>>82965143
>Does not apply

>>82965161
Dassa strawman thoughbeit

>>82965095
did you even really read the OP? you painted the domestic housewife as a bad thing ("She was only there to...") and said "Idgaf anon" when the idea of homemaker and mother was put into question

>>82965170
So is OP. Are you stupid?

>>82965192
>Ok im retarded but what about him
Ok

>>82965183
Did you read OP? It was about how women fumbled the bag because they now have the ability to choose to not lead a domestic life. I brought up my moms story, not because I am against domestic housewives, but because my mom COULDN'T CHOOSE. Did you even read my post anon? I said i wasn't talking about wokeness, but the ability to CHOOSE. Ugh.

>>82965211
I'm NTA. I didn't make that argument. Just saying you can't pick and choose what's a shit argument based on what confirms your biases, because again, that would make you stupid.

>>82964749 (OP)
A plurality if not majority of women would be bad mothers anyway, be glad.

>>82965224
Im not continuing this convo anymore because I dont expect you to have a lightbulb moment but Im just letting you know I didnt read your last post.

>>82965150
>>get educated
>>magazine article
>>helen andrews
>>holy kek
>didn't try to disprove anything
>instead tries to argue with semantics
midwit fatigue
>>82965214
>I brought up my moms story, not because I am against domestic housewives, but because my mom COULDN'T CHOOSE. Did you even read my post anon? I said i wasn't talking about wokeness, but the ability to CHOOSE. Ugh.
>Be glad that not only am I choosing not to do my duty as a woman and harbor kids, but also that I'm hecking educated enough to cope myself into thinking that I'm somehow right!
>>82965242
>Im not continuing this convo anymore because I dont expect you to have a lightbulb moment but Im just letting you know I didnt read your last post.
>I don't want to read your post but just know I'm right
lol, lmao even
>>82965230
>be glad that you're declining in birth rates and immigrants are coming to replace you, goy
It's all so tiresome

>>82965095
All the people responding to you are either retail wagies or NEET shut in schizophrenics. Good work getting an education and being able to forge your own path and I hope you do something nice for your mum when you've finished your education

>>82965473
When did I say I didn't want children? Kek. Robots are so insufferable. I will be educated, and have kids. And my kids will be educated too.

>>82965170
>That's a strawman

lmao no, it was legal within living memory to rape your wife and a woman could not open a bank account. These are real things that happened

>>82965473
>You must engage with my slop opinion piece seriously

Lol no, no one has to do that! Calling someone a midwit while posting gossip magazine tier articles is genuinely hilarious

>>82965549
I will anon. My mom is such a hard working woman. Not to mention my father, who was orphaned but worked hard to raise his siblings and later on raise us. Both of my parents suffered so much, i cry at the thought. I wiln repay them. Hopefully

>>82965578
Im sure being educated and living a good life and giving a good life to your kids will be reward enough for them

>>82965560
>It happened to all women
>This is believed by this specific guy I invented in my head
Strawman

>>82965590
I actually want to gift them a homestead in my country. Both of them have told me that their last wish is to die in the soil they came from. I hope they love long enough for me to five them that gift. They have overworked themselves for decades. Oh how I love them

>>82965630
Can you point out where I said it happened to all women? I said it was legal rape your wife, is this wrong?

>>82965004
>As a woman myself, I am grateful for the opportunities I have had to pursue a career in writing and editing. Thankfully, I don't think solving the feminization problem requires us to shut any doors in women's faces. We simply have to restore fair rules. Right now we have a nominally meritocratic system in which it is illegal for women to lose. Let's make hiring meritocratic in substance and not just name, and we will see how it shakes out. Make it legal to have a masculine office culture again. Remove the HR lady's veto power. I think people will be surprised to discover how much of our current feminization is attributable to institutional changes like the advent of HR, which were brought about by legal changes and which legal changes can reverse.
Your article agrees with the nigress.

>>82965722
What I said is ultimately in response to the first anon, you interpreted the strawman in a different manner, doesnt make the original post less of a strawman.

>>82965161
because this board appeals to a subsection of men who hate responsability and choice. They get jaleous of traditional female roles because they see it as being a NEET forever basically.

>>82965758
It's not a strawman it's providing a counter argument to the OP. What the fuck is this babbies first logic tree you're trying to run down?

>>82965778
>Strawman is an argument
No
>"But I said that rape existed in that guy's defense!"
Okay, but that doesn't make HIS post less of a strawman.>>82965630

>>82965558
>When did I say I didn't want children? Kek. Robots are so insufferable. I will be educated, and have kids, and go to university, and work a job, and take care of home, and work on my relationship with my husband, okay!?
Your work ethic sounds awesome, you sure you won't get burned out?

>>82965567
>If I just rehash what I said before, maybe I'd just be able to win this argument!
Point proven lol

It's actually funny how we are to believe one woman itt somehow makes up for all the other women that dont have a choice anymore but to be wagies.

>>82965558
>I will be educated and have kids.

LOL. what moid would ever want to procreate with a foid like you unless you want to be a single mom as judging by your images i can tell youre black. know your place pussy haver

>>82965794
>Why did women do x and y when they could have been doing z
>Women also experienced these other things
>ERRRRRRRRRM STRAWMAN!!

You don't know what you're talking about lmao
>>82965805
yes slop opinion pieces are not worth engaging with, peak midwit behavior from you
>>82965794
I didn't say "rape existed" I said "it was legal to rape your wife" why are you refusing to engage with this and are doing your best impression of Andrew Wilson?

>boomers make cost-of-living skyrocket
>men.are unable to their families because the costs, even.if they get ot or a second job
>more women have to enter the workforce to make up, with half the income they make going to childcare
>they become more stressed because they also have to do the traditional housewife work
>this results in less time with their husbands
>"iT's AlL wOmEn'S fAuLt! ThEy ShOuLd Be HoUsEwIvEs!!"
I'd love to be a housewife and take care of my husband and children. Unfortunately, we cannot afford children on our wages combined. We areliving paycheck to paycheck.

Stop blaming us for everything. You don'tlive at all in the real world. No one is going to date a useless neet like you.

>>82965800
>>82965817
Yeesh, you guys are bitter. I dont mind, my dreams are well within reach. :) and >>82965817, you are going of the assumption that I haven't been pursued for marriage? Kek

>>82965095
>>82964849
So true. I am so happy for you, Nona.

>>82964749 (OP)
>for one-night-stands with drug-dealers, student debt, numbing the pain with pills, working at Burger King and supplementing their income by selling pictures of their blown-out holes on the Internet.
Because living under a man= slavery in a foid's brain.

>>82965853
>Going in circles
Nope, have a good evening anon

>>82965095
>I was talking about the fact that I can become educated, unlike the women before me.
> I on the other hand, can spend my time learning, simply because of my love for it. I can become educated, because I yearn for it.
Educated in what way? College wise? Because you can learn without going to college, we have modern technology and chat gpt now. Hell, read a book. You can still go to college while being a housewife.

>>82965864
>Women have to work and rear children like their ancestors
>"THATS NOT SLAYYYY, BOYIM"

>>82965864
Very good take, nona. Their entitlement is giving me second-hand embarrassment.

>>82965949
I dont have a problem with being a housewife. So long I can pursue a doctorate. Funny thing is anon, I never said I didn't want to lead a somewhat domestic life. The incels are just tripping because I want to be educated. I do have a plan, get masters degree before getting kids, then either work on my PhD while I raise my kids, or return to school when they are older.

>>82965927
>>82965039

Thanks anon <33 much appreciated

>>82964749 (OP)
i think Id rather wageslave for the rest of my life than procreate with a man who types like this

>82965968
Stop dickriding, you're not adding anything to the thread

>>82965997
Well then listen to feynman. No such thing as not being smart enough.
https://youtu.be/X1-Gz5Bv3W8?si=h2OXnix4evlgwOSf

>>82964849
you're not educated in any real sense. yes, you may have memorised some things, but the logic as to why you memorised those things escapes you. there is no civilised purpose to your learning, ergo you were not educated

>>82966016
Oops wrong quote. This one anon

>>82965938
Yes it is lol, literally none of you would do this with another man

>>82966016
Based quote. I love learning! It makes my brain feel happy!!

>>82965943
Yah you're one of those faggots that watched some "HOW 2 DEBATE COURSES!" and think they're now some sort of linguistic genius. I accept your concession

>>82966016
The main point is that the majority of women wont get to do that. An exception is real cool and all but what are you saying when you say "but I am not like that".

>>82966034
BAASEED. Biggest dream is to bring education back home. So many girls are just forced to marry young. They can't make any life for themselves. All women preceeding me and my sisters were condemned to this

>>82966032
So true. I don't see them lining up to get married to men.

>>82966040
Didnt read past the insulting.

>>82966046
But I'm a guy, stop misgendering me before I plug your outlet with my socket!

>>82966043
No dude. Then my dream wouldn't be to make education available. My mom loved learning. One day when she was 9, she was just told that she couldn't anymore. Because she was a woman, and so her learning was not prioritised. The memory is fresh in her mind. I want women across the globe to not go through the pain she went through. She has been my biggest fan, and pushed me to pursue higher education ever since I was a little girl. I dont want to be an exception. I want to change the norm

>>82966079
You're an inspiration, I wish the world had more women like you.

>>82966022
What are you even saying anon? If I am not educated now, well then I will become educated! I will not stop until I have learnt!

>>82966079
It's not about all women worldwide. I was talking about women who currently are able to get a higher education but cant because they cant or wont put anything into it.
For the majority of those women, its indeed wageslaving and lack of community till it collapses.

>>82965095
>When did I ever talk about wokeness? Or the abandonment of domestic chores? Or about worker rights?
When did I talk about any of these things?

>>82966095
education is both learning and having a specific purpose for that learning-for upholding the values of civilisation

I'm ok with women not being parasites anymore.

This thread just validates that my decision was correct to never date and die an old maid.

>>82966096
Well its a shame they dont utilise their blessing. But this example applies for most people who are able to get an education
>>82966101
Well it wasn't just you, it was a general notion to all the Anons. One sent an article about woke culture, one talked about men being wageslaves and one talked about what it means to be a real woman. Its was a general message to all those replies.
>>82966107
I dont think its stated anything that would contradict that anon? Also
>for upholding the values of civilisation
No, it is to optimalize the values of civilisation. Ancient philosophers didn't uphold their society, they dissected it, criticised it, and tried to find a way to optimalize it. Education and knowledge is a tool to understand both nature and man, such to optimalize

>>82966207
>No, it is to optimalize the values of civilisation. Ancient philosophers didn't uphold their society, they dissected it, criticised it, and tried to find a way to optimalize it.
they either sort to uphold civilisation through reforms that did not threaten the values of civilisation or they sought to overthrow civilisation

>>82966229
But they did these things in the name of making society better. Knowledge is not about sticking to what we have, but to get closer to truth. That means that we sometimes need to discard previous ideas. Which indeed can mean reforms and revolution

>>82966258
>But they did these things in the name of making society better. Knowledge is not about sticking to what we have, but to get closer to truth.
turning CIVILISATION into barbarism you mean. we have not had true civilisation since bourgeois europe

>>82966266
Well that is absolutely subjective to what you believe the criteria to a society being civilised is. Now I assume you have a fairly eurocentric idea of this, and i think you believe that the enlightenment was peak.

>>82966316
>Now I assume you have a fairly eurocentric idea of this
the various iranian, chinese, indian and mediterranean civilisations have all been civilised
>i think you believe that the enlightenment was peak.
incorrect. the enlightenment gave rise to liberalism, which is a form of barbarism. descartes, the british empiricists, chateaubriand, montiesqciu, all barbarians. only rousseau can be counted among the civilised.
>Well that is absolutely subjective to what you believe the criteria to a society being civilised is
of course it isn't. the ability of a civilisation to create civilised men and defend their values is the only defining characteristic of civilisation.

>>82966350
Okey but what do you mean "civilised"?
>also damn, those are some very hot takes. Why are u flaming Descartes tho? He wasn't an empircist. Hume was. Descartes was a rationalist who intertwined it with christian faith. I mean surely you are just shidding

>>82966350
Rosseu was a intellectual cuck. Fuck him. He believed ignorance is good, which is bullshit.

>>82966471
>what do you mean "civilised"?
balanced in temperament, physical strength, knowledge and intellectual ability
>Descartes
wait i meant voltaire, my bad
>>82966483
you're a barbarian

>>82966494
Okey agreed voltaire was a bastard fuck him. I dont understand how we ever gave that retard any clout he didn't deserve any. Fuck him. And I am no barbarian gng.
>balanced in temperament, physical strength, knowledge and intellectual ability
So could you get by that west african or east african societies are/have been civilised?

Honestly why am I even asking this question wtf this is 4chan some neo nazi will tell me that I am subhuman soon

>>82965750
I was already called a negro bahaha

>>82966525
>So could you get by that west african or east african societies are/have been civilised?
they may have had civilised men in them, but they lacked the ideologies and institutions that would both create civilised men and defend their values

>>82966547
Uhh thats such bullshit have you ever read about the abyssinia and the Mali empire? Look at timbuktu bro. Suuper cool. These discussions always go i to subjective ideas. Social sciences and humanities have this exact weak point. It can never truly be objective. But can any science? Uhh.. imo no becos the hypothetical deduction is always stained by our flawed understanding. (Its giving ding an sich ding fur mich - imanuel kant ) Mathematics is the only subject that can be objective imo. But I am novice so it is only opinion.

>>82966605
>Uhh thats such bullshit have you ever read about the abyssinia and the Mali empire? Look at timbuktu bro.
mere objects are NOT markers of civilisation. again, it is about IDEOLOGIES and INSTITUTIONS. not buildings and material wealth and jewelry.
>These discussions always go i to subjective ideas. Social sciences and humanities have this exact weak point. It can never truly be objective. But can any science? Uhh.. imo no becos the hypothetical deduction is always stained by our flawed understanding. (Its giving ding an sich ding fur mich - imanuel kant ) Mathematics is the only subject that can be objective imo. But I am novice so it is only opinion.
i spit on your science

Viva la afrique

>>82966621
Well uhh shii man. It was my opinion. Anyway it's getting late for my good night. Also no I am right about the african civilisations btw. Skill issue I am better lel

>>82966651
africans simply lack any ideology of their own. they imported european christianity and islam, and little else

>>82965864
You have the order of events wrong. Cost of living skyrocketed BECAUSE women entered the workforce. You double the pool of workers, and wages stagnate. Cost of living and luxuries skyrocketed because there isn't as much disposable income to go around. Households became dependent on two incomes because why on earth wouldn't you force both sexes to work now that it's in vogue? Man can't afford to take care of the family now? That's fine. We know his wife can get a job too. Women and their asinine desire to be working so they can buy their own shoes instead of asking a man for walking around money ruined everything, and the only people it benefitted were the people at the top who can now exploit labor better. And the real kicker is that they still try to depend on men for everything, they just engage in more hypergamy to make it seem viable. However you slice it, the world got shittier for everyone, while women merely convinced themselves they had more "freedom". But it's a false freedom. There is no "choice" now. You can't be a housewife now unless you bag a literal millionaire, and even then a millionaire is a few bad months or bad money moves from being on the grind themselves. It's a joke. Women were better educated, more knowledgeable, and wiser when they didn't have to devote 40+ hours a week to keeping themselves alive and getting rent paid.

>>82964849
>My mom couldn't choose. She couldn't go to school. She was only there to take care of children, get married and have children herself
And does your mother regret making that choice? Does she regret having you and getting married? Does she regret not getting education instead of starting a family?