Thread 83025325

>Suicide can be a valid answer to a life that isnt worth living
Its controversial, but its true. If someones life sucks, and they see no way out, why shouldnt they commit suicide? I dont see a good argument against it.

>>83025325 (OP)
every time someone is talking about suicide it turns out they were actually just talking about doing a really good job

>>83025325 (OP)
Given a long enough time horizon, people can eventually figure out a way out of their problems. That's why suicide is premature.

>>83025345
Elaborate anon?

>>83025421
True sometimes. But not always. Sometimes its just time to give up. Did you know lobsters can basically live forever but die because of laziness as their body gets too big or whatever? It basically the same thing. Sometimes it just aint worth it to live

>>83025421
I genuinely can't.
I have zero job prospects, I have a mother who outright refuses to let me live my own life, I live in a liberal shithole state, and I can't even nuclear option and enlist in the military because I'm too old and not fit enough to enter service

>>83025504
u can still rob people and do hard drugs fortunately

>>83025325 (OP)
If someone is used to a high standard of life (not just materially, but mentally and physically and spiritually), they will not be able to cope with a severe downgrade. For example, you get a head injury and are too stupid to study now, you can't get a job to take care of yourself and your family unless you do drug dealing or stripping or something similar. You will most likely get an old -person brain disease early. There is no future for you. What do you do then, other than live in the moment, or just off yourself? There is no point in saving up or taking care of yourself.

>>83026920
how tall are you? pardon the obtuseness

>>83026943
Average height why

>>83026980
i find it funny you had to use 'horrible brain disease' as a situation for ending one's life.

>>83027008
Why not, literally just used my own situation as an example. What are you, 5'2M and want to kys?

>>83025421
They don't find "a way out", or a solution, they just adapt. You let dreams die, you settle, you give up. Gilded doors close in front of you, and you just keep walking, often down a rougher, thornier path. Some people can find peace with that and others can't.

>>83025325 (OP)
I told my dad I'll suicide if/when I find out I have Alzheimer's and he was very upset because that's a sin. It reminded me that he is simply not quite human.

>>83027428
Do extreme cases even have a soul at that point? I'd wager no, it's just like being an animal.

>>83025504
>I have zero job prospects
You might find something fucked up like fishing, who knows
>I have a mother who outright refuses to let me live my own life
kill her
>I live in a liberal shithole state
I admit moving out is very difficult
>and I can't even nuclear option and enlist in the military because I'm too old and not fit enough to enter service
I admit this one is a no go

chances are slim. You need radical change. Going homeless for a while and finding charity places that help you get back on your feet could be an option if you're brave enough

>>83027453
Humanity is infinite, I must accept he is "human" somehow, but he does not belong to my tribe. He has been taken by the Book.

>>83025325 (OP)
truth nuke, imagine you were a self-conscious jeet, you are short, brown, ugly, stink and your peers are the same in a shithole that gets worse everyday. Anything besides suicide sounds like copium to me in that case

>>83025325 (OP)
Suicide is a pretty based rebellion against society but nobody will admit it

>>83025504
What if you go on Craigslist and get TOPPED for cash until you can move out?

>>83025421
Or they could just stop the pain now lol fuck your naive childish gibberish. People die of cancer and drug overdoses every minute

>>83025325 (OP)
So lets say your dream is to be a basketball player but you fucked up your leg one day and couldn't make it to the big leagues.

Would you say this person should kill themselves? I just disagree, you may as well live it out. You're going to die one day any way. You can argue that its just prolonging suffering but in the grand scheme of things whats suffering for another 20 years. Its not that big a deal and in the meantime you may find something else that makes life worth living.

>>83025504
Your stressed out and therefore your mind isn't seeing the bigger picture. Classic.

Take a deep breath, the world isn't going to end tomorrow. Can't get a job? Well, enjoy your hobbies.

>>83025325 (OP)
Suicide is only ok if you did bhuddist monk meditation shit for a long time and came to the conclusion that you still want to commit suicide

>>83025325 (OP)
Correct, I am glad that this thread came up. It feels natural and necessary. Every situation is unique, but not every situation is salvagable. The humilations I've had to take would have likely had others end a lot sooner than I had so it's a small miracle that I made it this far even though I am trash by most standards.
>so do it
I live in America. I can. I can. But to work up the nerve is a different matter because there is always a strong incentive to limp on no matter how pathetic and degrading it all is. Btw, this degradation isn't inflicted by some outside force (if it was I may hug them from sheer gratitude), but by inward impotence which condemns far harder than anything else. I'm not simply dumb, I'm also empty, very empty
There isn't a good arguement as they likely cannot begin to understand it and they also want to feel superior so the argument never begins in good faith
>blogpost
the thread's begging for it.

>>83025421
Not when you're an autistic retard and every day is a struggle

>>83025421
this is only true if your problems are short term
if you've been mentally ill and an outsider, unemployed for like 10+ years the chances that you'll ever reintegrate into life fully and "fix" all your problems are basically none. Combine that with aging, self medication etc etc and you get to a point where suicide is actually rational because your life is essentially already over and you're just waiting for death.

>>83027232
>>83027232
>Some people can find peace with that and others can't.

this is basically where I'm at now. 32 long term clinical depression and severe anxiety. I have some things that keep me grounded and life tolerable now like exercise and meds, but my life is essentially over and I've accepted it.
I live with my mother and am unemployed but even if I were to get a job tomorrow, work for a few years, get my own place, go through the motions of someone who "has" a life, it would not be authentic. It would be me emulating what a normal human being does. I've actually done that in my late 20s and it almost landed me in a psych ward.

I will likely be dead by 40. I think I already should be dead. I came close around 10 times to killing myself in my early 20s and honestly I wouldn't have missed much at all.

Sometimes you just need to commit a little jihad, its logical and will get you a bunch of virgins in the afterlife.

Suicide being bad is purely a Christian invention instilled by their intolerant culture that prevents innocent people from reconversion to Islam.

>>83025325 (OP)
Life's worth living
When nature's giving
Happiness to everyone
So let's go sunning

suicide is a good thing if you truly have no other option left. there is always that possibility that reincarnation actually does exist and you just reroll into a new better life and your soul forgets the previous one. no one wants to spend their entire life alone unless your goal is to become world famous like van gogh who died a virgin but is still immortalized more than he would have been if he was just a normal guy with a family. though him not being able to have a family really sped up his loss of sanity and demise. something interesting to think about for likeminded incels. deep philosophical discussions here

>>83025325 (OP)
>If someones life sucks
the argument is equally applicable even if it's a rich, luxurious, pleasurable life. If you had enough intelligence to understand what your existence is, you would get it all over with now. The only argument to live is irrational, hence why religions pop up everywhere.

>>83028325
"what's suffering for another 20 years"
how about i do nothing but waterboard you for 20 years you negro brained faggot
there are worse things than death, much worse, you coddled fuck

>>83025325 (OP)
kill yourselves american timmies

I think men that kill themselves were always meant to do so even when they were little kids. Some men are just cannon fodder and it's a damn shame when they don't at least die for some sort of purpose.

It should just a be a normal thing people do. Once humans detach from mysticism and spirituality I think it will be as normal as taking a shit.

That said, you should always exhaust all options first. It's shocking what you can do and get away with in the first world as a total loser. If you can sit in a toll booth, you can make enough to buy delicious food and all the VR porn you can shake your dick at.

>craigslist prostitutes
>psychedelics
>fuck, just reading some good fiction is fun

Burn out first, get bored with life, then kill yourself. Or whatever you want to do.

>>83028888
This is why I started indulging in self destructive fun.
It led to unexpected outcomes, I discovered something transcendent.

>>83025345
Nigga what did you mean by this

>>83025421
Factually incorrect but keep on dreaming.
Some problems are unfixable (illness without a cure/disability/incurable mental illness) and would justify suicide as the only end to them. It's unfortunate but that's just how it be.

>>83025421
Happened to me but instead of me figuring shit out I just got lucky three times in a row.

>>83028773
This is basically me at 38. I feel like I'm already a shade, so I spend all my money on hookers and drugs and embrace Hades full on.

>>83025325 (OP)
i think suicide can be quite rational and justified, and i dont think i ever absolutely was agaisnt it. i think its largely bittersweet; bitter that you went though all that pain and hopelessness, and sweet that its over and you will never suffer again

with that said, in 2025 i dont think suicide is justified because we are quite close to ai robot lovers, which will make life worth living, so you have hope for the future

yes, sexbot robowaifu's are a reason to live

>>83025345
>every time someone is talking about suicide it turns out they were actually just talking about doing a really good job

Good job at what? Dying and being dead?

>>83031081
>yes, sexbot robowaifu's are a reason to live
Full dive VR generated by a non cucked AI is what I am waiting for.

>>83025325 (OP)
Poeple forget that suicide is very case depended - we act like we know what we would do, but in reality every person have a breaking point.
If youre ok in life you can put yourself into shoes of someone that cant handle their feelings at all, or is just very unlucky when it comes to health and genes. You may say smth like >>83025421
But in reality you would have to rethink this topic from the start if you would be a poor north korea man with microdick and cancer.
The people that are against suicide altogheter eithier have deep belive that force them to stay alive because thier boss forbids them or are just subset that didnt had any expiriences of major turmoil and trauma in life. Theres also man that contaplate suicide while they wont admit it to anyone.

>>83025325 (OP)
Some poor guy who could turn his life around can read this and kill himself, posting a thread like this is genuinely psychotic behavior.

>>83025504
>I have zero job prospects
In the most prosperous country in the history of humanity? Lmao sure

Just go to a warehouse or construction, they're literally hiring illegals

>>83031197
You're 100% right, but I actually think that for many men, a robot waifu could solve a lot of problems. AI is replacing many jobs not just the ones people dislike, but also the ones people love, like artists, translators, and other creative professions. If this continues, everyone might end up stuck doing work they hate,no family, and accumulating wealth that feels meaningless. A robot partner, however, could give people a sense of purpose even if it's just in the joy of making her happy.

>>83031157
yeah, that too. i think you can make the arguement that our world is VR thats hooked up to some sensory perception organ, which gives us the illusion of it

and i dont see if we go one step deeper, where we implant chips in our brains that will send signals to it, giving us a new virtual world were we have new bodies, new experiences, new lives, with our old memories, is outside the realm of possibilities

especially with ai medical advancements. all of this is possible. its a very exciting time to be alive, and this is why suicide is not justified right now, because incel losers have genuine hope

for me, its indistinguishable lifelike 18 year old asian robowaifu sexbots for love, asmr, cuddling, and lovebombing :^)

33, about to be 34. Haven't had a job in 11 years due to anxiety. Don't see any way out desu.

>>83031278
Yeah cause they don't ask for minimum wage and unionize for it. I'm literate enough that won't work on me.

>>83033175
No nigger you're just coping. Illegals get paid minimum wage and you said it yourself you have no prospects so why wouldn't you take a minimum wage job? All of you fags are like this just want to make excuses and never try. If you aren't going to rope, why not put in effort into your life? My guess is the safety net you have that those illegals don't. If they don't work the minimum wage job their family in latam will go hungry. If you don't work crazy mommy will still provide for you.

>>83033175
Construction doesn't pay minimum wage lad.
Just work in commercial construction and pivot into a trade, even laborers make $25, once you can bang of drywall boards or whatever you can make 6 figures.

>>83033351
Pablo doesnt have unsalvageable loser genes tho. Sure he came from a shithole but he can still have a fulfilling life with hard work.
But whatever a loser does doesnt matter. All paths in life ultimately lead to being a loser at the end of the day.

>>83025325 (OP)
>Dr. K: "I'm a psychologist, so I know what mental illness looks like. Most people aren't mentally ill and don't need therapy, their life just sucks."
>"Oh, but by the way, support my therapy grift, because everyone needs therapy."

>>83025345
Monday rhymes with book!

>>83025477
crows stop eating whenever their partner dies.

"kill it" is slang for do well
hence

>>83025325 (OP)
only makes sense for chronic physical disability without a cure
i have a skin disease that ill probably have forever so like this anon >>83025504 i have basically no options, i cant join the military or just learn a trade to make a living wage, failed out of college too
"god" genuinely fucked my life
suffer enough to make daily life and trying to survive a struggle, but dont suffer enough to qualify for maid
i genuinely have to kill myself
>>83031534
you really think so?

>>83031366
I dunno mate, people have been mental gymnastic themselves into similar shit since quute awhile, but its not for everyone.
Look at people that have cat/dog and treat it as kid. I mean I love animals, i treat them with care and love, i even think that they can be part of your family, but still a dog/cat isnt your offspring and shouldnt be treated as one (pumpered/dressed up and carted around in babycart).
Its similar with ai wifus, some autists will be able to cheat themselves into thinking its real, because they will be easier and more real to them than their non existing positive social interactions. But it wont serve as a reliable replecement for most/everyone.
People will want to commit suicide because thats a part of our culture, old, current and new, the world is far for being the good place to exist. You can do a lot of stuff to cope (because basicly all stuff that you do is basicly just that), but in the end, with how insignificant you are in the grand scheme of things the world is, the suicide is just another choice that shouldnt be looked upon with so much stigma.
Its your life and noone should police you what should you do with it, as far as youre not obnoxious faggot to other beings or being straight up murderer/psycho that thrives on misery.
Maybe in some kind of utopian better world the amount of current living people would be happy, but with current societal structure and trends, there are just to many people, which translates directly into overall lack of happiness despite all quality of life improvements which we accquired in the last 150 years.