Thread 83033369

please logically explain why you eat meat. give me your best logical reasoning why you eat meat and drink milk

animals such as pigs and cows are intelligent animals who can suffer deeply and have a unique personality, they are different individuals just like dogs or humans are. they dont enjoy being kept in a cage, being castrated, being raped, having their kids taken away from them, and being killed against their will. they dont want to die for your taste pleasure

all real robots should go vegan, because its morally wrong to inflict much more suffering unto innocent animals for your taste pleasure and "yummy in my tummy tum tum". you wouldnt be okay if some alien species treated you that way

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLTAGOUiqMQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0VbTT5GUqBk

its unethical for you to kill animals for your tastebuds. you dont need to eat any animal products to survive, humans can have perfect health on a vegan diet

>>83033369 (OP)
meat good and delicious
makes me big and strong

>>83033369 (OP)
>humans can have perfect health on a vegan diet
lol no fag

Vegans are mentally ill not even going to talk with you hide and sage this thread.

>>83033369 (OP)
i agree with you in principle but i simply do not have the time or money to substitute all the nutrients and protein present in meat with some alternative. also, the infinite of consumption of one organism by another is simply a rule of nature and its foolish to pay it too much mind to it

>>83033393
i understand meat is tasty, but you CAN be healthy on a vegan diet!
and since you dont need it for nutritional reasons, you should go vegan because that will cause less needless suffering to animals

animals are important, and we should respect their sentient experience and give them moral consideration, and we show that by going vegan

>>83033402
>humans can have perfect health on a vegan diet
they can!
a well planed vegan diet, with some suplements, is healthy
some of the blue zones, like the adventist vegans, live often past 100, and they dont eat meat at all!

pic related some nutritional organizations about vegan diets :^)

>>83033369 (OP)
>luv the gains
>luv the flavor
>don't give a fuck about animals dying for food
Simple as.

>>83033424
society needs brawn to defend itself, you can't enjoy dat 100 year life expectancy without having people to protect you from brutes eager to abuse you just because they happen to not care about le animal feelings, onions faggots forget that life isn't naturally peaceful pretty often, just as we massacre animals, animals massacre lower beings too.

>>83033407
while i myself am QUITE mentally ill, i dont think vegans are SO removed from reality that its impossible to interact with them on logical grounds

it might be the case that mental illness might be more common amongst vegans, but i dont think that entails being precluded from otherwise rational discussion, especially considering that r9k is a home for mentally ill virginal weirdos and the like. in a way vegans fit right in with their world view that normies find repulsive

>>83033411
>but i simply do not have the time or money
veganism is very cheap! "i dont have money or time" is a really bad excuse!

rice, peanuts, corn, apples, oats, pasta, lentils, beans, tofu, frozen berries, all are vegan. and those foods contain lots of protein and carbs and nutrients. also vegetables like broccoli or spinach also have nutrition! you have options on a vegan diet! pic related, theres cheap tasty food, like falafel wraps!

>also, the infinite of consumption of one organism by another is simply a rule of nature and its foolish to pay it too much mind to it
well, i think veganism is a moral philosophy, and we dont get our moral standards from what happens in nature, and nor should we

for example, lions kill their own children all the time, and also rape eachother, but i dont think that would make it okay for us to rape eachother and kill our own children, despite lions doing it often

lets rise above wild animals on the moral frontier, because were better than that! :^)

It's unethical to live in a concrete jungle. You've never grown your own food, gathered your own eggs, held meat rabbits to see how retarded they are, hell you've offloaded your entire food choices to a supermarket. I doubt you have any real life experience beyond having your empathy hijacked by pixels on a screen. And yes factory farming is unethical, but when the government doesn't let you keep animals on your land it is what it is.

>>83033369 (OP)
it's the natural and healthy thing to do
it feels right
simple as

>>83033369 (OP)
>because its morally wrong
you think this board is moral of all things? normalfag much

i eat meat because its delicious and nutritious and you can't because of your little bitchboi brain hahaha

>>83033369 (OP)
Animal products are good for you, and not consuming them is bad for you.

"Taste pleasure" is an unserious argument.

Animals are not intelligent, and nor are they sapient. The animals I eat do not pass the mirror test so it's not even obvious that they have a subjectivity to inflict pain upon.

Why do you draw the line at plants? Don't they deserve life too?

Why are humans not allowed to eat meat when every other meat-eating animal is allowed?

If contributing to society indirectly causes more meat consumption, then why don't you live in the woods?

>its morally wrong to inflict much more suffering unto innocent animals for your taste pleasure and "yummy in my tummy tum tum".
This seems very infantile.

>>83033369 (OP)
>eat meat and drink milk
Not comparable at all. Meat requires actually killing the animal. Milk on the other hand is a perfectly fair trade for the massive amount of benefits animals gain by living in farms rather than in the wilderness. Guaranteed food, shelter and veterinary care in exchange for milk is good for both sides.

chatgpt asf

>>83033369 (OP)
because I am a cold blooded psychopath who doesn't give a shit.

I often daydream about cannibalism and drinking blood and eating raw/rotten flesh

>>83033369 (OP)
>all real robots should go vegan
I agree, I realized this from an oddly good porn game, and morally am completely opposed to eating any animal product, but whenever I try and go vegan, I just end up starving because I can't get enough calories or giving up because it's addictive because humans are naturally omnivores so it's as hard as just never beating off again, it's a built in addiction, how did you stop eating flesh and animal products? what did you replace it with? I'm genuinely ready to quit.

vegan fuer Rosalinde? or doch lieber brutal

>>83033438
but the problem is the animals deserve moral consideration! they can suffer. they are just like us in every way, except they're dumber. it feels like intelligence shoudlnt be the deciding factor for moral consideration

>>83033455
>>83033455
>society needs brawn to defend itself
sure... but you arent killing pigs to defend yourself.... they arent trying to kill you! they are in a cage, bred to be killed to provide you meat! you arent innocently defending yourself

>onions faggots forget that life isn't naturally peaceful pretty often
this is an appeal to nature falacy when trying to justify needless animal killing. just because nature can be brutal doesnt make it okay for you to be!

>just as we massacre animals, animals massacre lower beings too.
this is two wrongs make a right fallacy when trying to justify needless animals violence
just because some animals like cats kill for fun, doesnt make it okay for humans to kill cats for fun! we are better than that

>>83033475
>It's unethical to live in a concrete jungle
i dont see why it would be morally wrong to live in human cities....

>held meat rabbits to see how retarded they are
they may be stupid, but its still wrong! babies are stupid, but they still want to live

>>83033369 (OP)
I won't stop eating meat, but I'll eat less of it. I have meat 2-3 times a week usually. Why? Because poultry and fish is very nutritious, CHEAP, and accessible. If it became expensive, I'd have to change my diet, but for now, it's the easiest way to get nutrients.

>>83033369 (OP)
there is no perceived effect of abstaining from meat.
It's like voting; your vote is insignificant. For this reason I never partake in large scale group activities like this, unless I feel like it.

Also my family eats meat and so it would be a nuisance to abstain. If I was on my own, I maybe wouldn't buy so much meat.

ethically it's evil I agree

but it's not feasible to go cold turkey right in this era

I'm thinking of opening my own mini chicken farm when I buy some land. Get access to meat and eggs. Yum

>>83033564
>dont see why it would be morally wrong to live in human cities....
In order to maintain the city, animals for consumption have to live in terrible conditions.
>babies are stupid
And they grow to have intelligence.

>>83033424
>with some suplements
Ah yes, replacing the stuff you'd get from meat with pills. That's always a good idea...

How many times you spamming your gay ass thread fuck off nigger

>>83033369 (OP)
>Veganism is a modern fad there are no vegan tribes
>Modern nutritional science is far from solved
>Cutting out the main part of the natural human diet could have unforeseen consequences on health and longevity

>>83033369 (OP)
Why do you think you're so important I need to explain to you what I do with my life

veganism originally came from india

>>83033626
>Cutting out the main part of the natural human diet could have unforeseen consequences on health and longevity
I know two people who switched to veganism in their 50s and 70s and developed gastric cancers within 2 years. One was my dad's friend, the other was my grandma's sister in-law. Vegan propagandists would say the damage had already been done but one of them literally has an older brother who is semi-alcoholic and eats pork and he's still alive.
Both of these people also went from average weight to nearly anorexic before they were diagnosed.
It's probably a bad idea to deny billions of years of eating habits and also a bad idea to drastically change your diet past your childhood/teen years.

>>83033369 (OP)
Life eats life to survive. That's the game on this planet until you die. You faggots just think animals are more important than plants because of your disney movie judeochristcuck social conditioning. "But-t we can grow more plants!" and we raise more cattle you're still killing life no matter what. You just have a hierarchy of life and I don't give a shit to conform to your arbitrary values. Trees scream in a frequency we don't hear to warn each other of herbivores. I'll keep eating plants and animals to survive so long as they are readily available until I die. Go eat bugs if you want to be "ethical" but they have "intelligence" too.

>>83033626
>but muh ancestors didn't do it
For much of human history, the common man couldn't afford meat. If living like your ancestors is something you need to do, being a vegan should be very appealing in your eyes, lmao.
I'm not even vegan, you're just hyper retarded.

>>83033464
you almost had me convinced there for a moment but im going to keep eating meat just because your being such a smug faggot about it

>animals such as pigs and cows are intelligent animals who can suffer deeply and have a unique personality, they are different individuals just like dogs or humans are. they dont enjoy being kept in a cage, being castrated, being raped, having their kids taken away from them, and being killed against their will. they dont want to die for your taste pleasure
proof? also why the fuck is this thread not on plebbit

10/10 bait, worked well enough to amass 33 replies, good work

>>83033658
Yeah sending some very strange signals to your body with that desu

>>83033672
I forget dummies like you don't understand the conclusion unless it's states outright.

>>83033486
>you think this board is moral of all things?
yeah i think so. i think morals are important.. even if you are at the bottom of society, like incels are

>and you can't because of your little bitchboi brain hahaha
i mean i suppose i cant because i think its wrong and i try to follow my moral beliefs, in that sense sure

>>83033483
well, i dont see how torturing aniamls is "natural"
it would feel wrong and cruel to do so...

>>83033519
https://voca.ro/1a0qgnZ93M1U

>>83033369 (OP)
I eat meat because I like it, and I know it's morally wrong, but I do it anyways. I would eat human meat too if I liked it and it was legal.
I am perfectly aware of the excruciating pain that is inflicted on those innocent animals, but I would double it if it meant I could keep eating it.

>>83033369 (OP)
Humans are obligate omnivores, and any vegetarian thing that can make up for the missing vitamins are a pill/powder science experiment

>>83033519
This thread was posted daily years ago.

>>83033369 (OP)
meat is what separated the mongol chads to the Chinese farmers, vegetarian diets make you weak and nerdy and i dont want to be that..

>>83033369 (OP)
i like the taste of meat and my body has gone through hundreds of thousands of years of evolution to be able to savor it
and savor it i shall, consequences be damned

i don't care much about your veganism spiel, you can disagree all you want but that won't stop me from enjoying something nature designed me to enjoy

>>83033369 (OP)
I eat meat therefore I eat meat. There a logically true argument.

My take:
You can eat whatever you want as long as you are consuming these three things carbohydrates fats and protein.

I eat meat because it's one of the most convenient ways for me to get the calories I need especially in the winter
produce gets expensive and you need to eat way more to get the calories

>>83033628
well because we get all of our moral beliefs from other people
from rape to how killing children is wrong to grey topics like abortion or what not
other people is how we learn about morals. we learn from them, reflect on the information, and make our decisions

and i dont see how eating animals is morally okay!

>>83033616
>And they grow to have intelligence.
so how about mentally retarded babies, is it okay to kill and eat them?

and we dont need meat or dairy for anything!

>>83033619
i make this thread 3-4 times a month at best, sometimes twice a month. its not spamming at all
maybe over the years you see it a lot, sure

>>83033626
>Veganism is a modern fad there are no vegan tribes
just because its a modern phenomena doesnt mean its wrong... lots of things are modern... like electricity or computers, or antinatalism, or whatever. that doesnt mean its wrong...

factor farming is modern, and its very hellish.. does that mean its morally wrong? it seems like just because its modern doesnt mean its right or wrong!

>Cutting out the main part of the natural human diet could have unforeseen consequences on health and longevity
we have good evidence to suggest that you can be healthy on a vegan diet, like studies on long term vegans living long, for instance

its very doable!

>>83033618
the meat you eat get injecte with all sorts of suplements and hormones and anti-biotics. they use like 10 times more anti-biotics for meat production than all humans use for medical uses. the animals you eat arent natural by any means! they also dont have b12, they get it injected!

>>83033369 (OP)
I eat meat knowing it's a harmful carcinogen that requires cruelty and is bad for the planet because I like it. I like it and I have no morals. I don't give a shit about anything outside of my own basic pleasure.

>>83033369 (OP)
because I don't have any consistent moral framework to which I adhere
I used to be vegetarian with the intention to go full vegan whenever I'd be able to live on my own
I did it cause I valued having a consistent moral framework and that eventually lead to being confronted with the morals of eating meat and blah blah blah you already know how it goes if you're vegan

but then a few years later I began to question why it was that I felt like I needed a consistent moral framework and eventually I came to realize that I didn't need or want one in the first place, I guess I stopped caring that much about morality, let alone having consistent moral values, and just make my choices based on arbitrary shit like how I feel at the time or how far removed I am from the harm being done, I didn't like how I was being denied certain experiences because of my moral values, I realized I valued my freedom more than consistency

I do agree that if most people were to honestly engage with the morals of eating meat, most would arrive at veganism which is why I think it makes people feel so uncomfortable and not engage with it in good faith, its a very hard thing to come to terms with and most people don't want to have to go through a serious deconstruction of something they've taken for granted for most of their lives

>>83033369 (OP)
>please logically explain why you eat meat
It is enjoyable and nutritious.

>its unethical for you to kill animals for your tastebuds
I can cope with it.

cool novel arguement in favor of veganism:

if you take spiritual ideas semi seriously, like karma, or reincarnation, or artificial super intelligence, or a afterlife judgement, then it would be in your best interest to go vegan, on the offchance that you are judged for your moral behavior

presumeably in such a judgement hurting animals needlessly would probably be looked down upon, but if you are vegan, even for entirely selfish reasons, you can act like a little angel! (thats why i went vegan!)

its a cool way of thinking, like a pascals wager for moral behavior. i like it! i think the animals would appreciate this kind of selfish thinking, probably

soon artificial super intelligence will take over the world... there is a none-zero probability of it caring about morals..... i think its reasonable

Logically, the interest of me and my species naturally supercede others as morality is dicated by nature. Altough i do admit slaughter houses could be reformed to prevent unnecessary suffering.

>>83033369 (OP)
>vegan
plants suffer too
they can feel pain. what about them?
this is our world
eat and be eaten

>>83034044
>just because its a modern phenomena doesnt mean its wrong... lots of things are modern... like electricity or computers, or antinatalism, or whatever. that doesnt mean its wrong...
It's not prescriptive. I'm saying a natural humans wouldn't do that. And acting in discord with nature often leads to bad outcomes. In other words it's risky.
>we have good evidence to suggest that you can be healthy on a vegan diet, like studies on long term vegans living long, for instance
They can but only if they supplement it. Meaning it's not an optimized diet. I'm sure you could survive on McDonald too if you picked the salads or burritos or whatever.

>>83033369 (OP)
the vegan alternatives are high in polyunsaturated fats which are the cause of every single degenerative disease. there are many harvard studies, fags, snobs that insist on them being good for you in some manner, but it misses on the aspect of basic chemistry. fats like this are oxidizable, and free radicals like iron or malondialdehyde destroy the organism. in general polyunsaturated fats lower the metabolic rate (so you can gain more weight with less calories), directly suppress thyroid hormone production in the liver and inhibit the gland's release. the same applies to any fish oil, so people wanting to retreat to "omega 3s are good, but not omega 6s" still fall short at the same argument - they oxidize as soon as they enter the blood stream and cause damage all throughout. sometimes, these free radicals suppress red blood cell count and people point that it has therapeutic effects on inflammation. yeah, just go get an x-ray to stop inflammation then, it'll be the same thing.
milk is highest in calcium of which I consume 1.5g-2g through raw milk and cheese. there is no other food that can rival this. kale is interesting but you cannot consume it more than once a week since it is a goitrogen (same with any cruciferous vegetable). you need high amounts of calcium, vitamin D, K to suppress your parathyroid hormone from breaking down your bones to put out calcium in your blood. when your bones get broken down this releases histamines and serotonin, causing a myriad of issues as well
liver meat is exceptional in vitamin K, zinc, a lot of thyroid is in there, its B vitamin content in general is very high. same with eggs
>morally wrong to inflict much more suffering unto innocent animals
correct. you shouldn't torture animals before you eat them and their purpose should be food only

those that eat "healthy" look like shit and those that high carb, calcium, occasional meat look good. there's a reason for this

>>83033369 (OP)
I've abstained for 6 years now but I'm tired boss. Is there a brainless fish I can eat? I'd eat the bug burger by now

>>83033369 (OP)
Because I get weak and sick if I don't, and I'm not taking 10 pills just to stay healthy, or getting mercury poisoning by only eating fish. Nothing personal.

>>83034371
>shouldn't torture animals before you eat them

can you describe how livestock exist before they are eaten and argue it is not torture?

>>83034423
free range animals in a farm with available shelter in the night like a barn. if you find a looney tunes situation where they shove them in a small cage and unnecessarily stress the animal out, that would be bad. otherwise,

>>83034230
>Logically, the interest of me and my species naturally supercede others as morality is dicated by nature

well, im just asking you to respect the basic rights not to be tortured and killed for animals, nothing else. i understand its in your best interest to do so, but it would seem wrong. its int he best interest of a slave owner to exploit their slaves, but that would still be wrong

drawing the line at species is extremly arbitrary; no different than drawing the line at race or sex or country. its just conveniently arbitrary and you woudlnt accept someone doing the same thing if you were the victim, like aliens saying "they're not aliens so its okay to kill them"

> Altough i do admit slaughter houses could be reformed to prevent unnecessary suffering.
well, if you think its wrong stop financially supporting it! thats the whole point, its wrong

>>83034423
Not op but let's be real only factory farming is why it's unethical, if vegans want factory farming to stop then they should protest for ethical/non gmo farmer rights and benefits. Modern gmo food is so nutritionally void that even if you eat a decent amount your body will still signal to you that you don't have enough nutrients and need to eat more. Hence needing meat and dairy to stay full. Not everyone can afford nutritionally dense non gmo veg and grains. When I ate non gmo grains, and veg from the garden I was satisfied without meat and dairy.

>>83033369 (OP)
i used to be vegan and my life sucked all the same, now I eat beef to spite animals for existing

>>83033369 (OP)
Meat is extremely important for our health, I feel bad for them but it's either humans or them and I chose humans

>>83034376
>Is there a brainless fish I can eat?
technically muscles and clams and oysters
and veganism can be hard, but you shouldnt allow yourself to degenerate towards the moral filth that is most smug animal abusers!

>>83034456
well its still exploitation and murder... the animals cant consent to being kill.ed and they kill the animal in the same slaughterhouse

>>83034456
this is idealistic and i have actually visited free-range cattle farms and the animals are more or less content in their captivity. But let's be real-- that can't be scaled up to meet the same demand filled by factory farming industry which supplies the world.

Play through a scenario where the world somehow allocates 100-200% more farmland to convert everything into free-range farming. 1) ecological impact as habitats are converted into farmland. 2) corporations will want to squeeze as much out of that land as possible and just use it to make 2-3 more factory farms instead of 1 free range farm.

>>83034493
i thought robots hated humanity

>>83033564
>animals deserve moral consideration
Source?

>>83033369 (OP)
Well I like their suffering

>>83034676
>Source?
well, i dont have some kind of source like its something you can study, but it would seem like if its wrong to torture people, and if its wrong to torutre dogs and cats and horses and elephants, its wrong to torture pigs and cows and chickens

you know? why is it wrong to kill dogs for fun, but okay to kill pigs or cows for fun? just seems arbitrary

>>83034488
but why? why contribute to the needless suffering of completly innocent beings? its not like they even did anythign wrong to you, they are ENTIRELY innocent. with humans, they often times are selfish and cruel for no reason, but animals are actually morally innocent

>>83034376
you know, i understand its difficult, but you kept it up for so long, and i think that takes some applaude. for me, i dont even want to go back, and im really grateful for veganism

veganism got me really educated in philosophy as a result of trying to interact with people who say contest it on subjectivism or nihilism, veganism got me in much better health, i think in a way its a priveledge to be vegan

i suppose for soem people they feel better eating meat, but im lucky in that it wasnt the case for me

just know that you are not the only hopeless robot who is vegan, im vegan for 7 years already, 8 in january

>>83034602
>exploitation
did you want them to have an equal wage to the farmer and a say in the business? I do not understand your intention of using this word
>murder
you cannot presuppose the answer with the subject at hand. by definition, murder is wrong but killing is a neutral act until the justifications are stated. murder implies a cow is feeding its babies and you stab it for the fun of it, while killing in the context of needing nutrients is to avoid degenerative diseases, or in general grow prosperous, have hair on your head (anyone eating those onions-alternatives seems to be an egg head of some kind, you need milk). we are omnivores. we are intelligent but with the greater capabilities we have greater nutritional requirements, which is the wrong direction epigenetically if you abstain from it. basically each generation of your ancestors' offspring is smarter than the previous until you introduce nutritional deficiencies, to which end you could degenerate to being 70iq retard and then you can't consent (kek), and then killing any animal is fine, since you don't know any better
>animals cant consent
I don't really care about consent based morality.

>>83034650
>can't be scaled up to meet the same demand filled by factory farming industry
I agree. We ought to deport 100 million people in the US. the lower classes, more particularly browns, ought to eat slop, oats, nuts and seeds, and plant based alternatives.

i couldnt care less about morals. meat is tasty

>>83034778
Cows and pigs are killed for food, not fun.

>>83035102
then why do you deserve not to suffer for the benefit of others?

>>83033369 (OP)
I know it's immoral but I do it for practical purposes, not taste. Meat is simply very rich in nutrients that I need and there are no alternatives that are both as practical and ubiquitous. I already incorporate 3 days a week where I eat a beans based meal. It's the same one each time and it doesn't taste very good and it predictably gives me some stomach issues. So far this is the only vegan meal I've been able to find that I can easily source ingredients for and not spend ages preparing, and that will give me protein.

>>83033369 (OP)
i eat meat because it tastes good. yes, i would eat humans if i could too. thank you for coming to my TED talk.

>>83035900
what kind of beans and do you use spices?

>>83035816
He was given rights by the constitution YEE haw yee haw

>>83035816
theres no deserving or not deserving. it either happens or it doesnt. if something bad happened to me id obviously not enjoy it. why would i be the side character of my own life and try to restrict myself from enjoying myself for someone else? pigs dont care about me just like i dont care about them and thats perfectly fine. its an eat or be eaten world

>>83035119
>Cows and pigs are killed for food, not fun.
i think the idea is that the food is not necessary for health, so its needless. which means the only reason we eat meat is preference, habit, culture, and pleasure. for fun, basically, like christmas, which is just for fun and tradition

since meat is NOT needed to be healthy

>>83035900
>Meat is simply very rich in nutrients that I need and there are no alternatives that are both as practical and ubiquitous.
thats not true, anon!
tofu is fairly cheap and has everything meat has. same thing as lentils and chickpeas

lentils and rice, with tomatoes, chili powder, cumin, and lots of limes (about 4 in total) is what i ate today. the limes really elevate the dish. its tasty!

>>83033369 (OP)
I read something about how the negative emotions the animals feel before slaughter is transferred to the meat, and then to you.
Specifically, pigs are the most intelligent and suffer the most.
Honestly, I think there's something to this.
Never thought I'd be the vegan type but it's becoming more and more appealing.

there's no logical reason, i don't try to defend what is obviously a less civilized behavior. but inasmuch as no one owes me civility i owe no one or nothing civility either.

>>83036248
I love meat, but lab grown meat is probably a better alternative, though I dont want to see ranch culture disappear

I dont care if animals suffer
I dont care if humans suffer either
quit being a fucking pussy and grow up

>>83036248
Stress causes hypoxia of the tissues and releases adrenaline, cortisol and free radicals from fat stores which poisons the system. If chronic it changes the developmental structure of the organism. You would be consuming the steroids of stress essentially, yes.

>>83036352
>lab grown meat is probably a better alternative
If you can find some kind of lab that makes meat with mostly BCAA and saturated fat this would be the case. Otherwise the current state of it is goyslop

>>83036387
see, you wouldnt be okay if someone tortured you for seemingly needless pleasure, like how you do with cows and pigs
and yet you smugly do it to innocent animals
"treat others how you want to be treated" is a philosophy thats very common in any spiritual thinking

>>83036395
>You would be consuming the steroids of stress essentially, yes.
Well shit I guess I have to go vegan now
I'm trying to fix my own shit so I don't need to consume the stress of other entities

>>83036395
Right now lab grown is shit and expensive, but will probably become viable in the future when production has the time to mature

>>83036423
free range eggs, milk and gelatin ought to handle most of your protein intake.

>>83036419
>you wouldnt be okay if someone tortured you for seemingly needless pleasure
people are gonna do that anyway

>>83036218
>eat or be eaten world
what about live and let live?

pigs dont domesticate and force-breed and hold captive entire species for centuries

>>83036468
if you let a male pig into the wild it metamorphosizes into a wild boar/hog. it grows tusks, mass and all it knows to do is fuck and kill, so much so that it would eventually be invasive to its environment. so the lack of captivity for species is just due to lack of capability.

Factory farms are bad. Animal husbandry on the smaller scale as it serves the individual is good. I find the wastefulness of modern society abhorrent but unfortunately it's more economically viable to simply dispose of excess product than to minimize the operations that produce it. I don't think that's a good thing. I think its gross contribution to the death of our planet outweighs nearly everything else we've done to it. However I am sadly not in the position to change that and thus while I can discuss and debate the topic I don't feel much remorse for what little I gain from it.

My opinion on the matter of eating meat is this - humans are not only inclined towards eating meat as part of our diet but benefit from the consumption of it and other animal products so immensely it would be silly to abandon that in favor of a vegan diet. I can understand vegetarians. Veganism, however, isn't at all viable without supplements. I don't want to replace a portion of my diet with supplements that have to be synthesized. I want to get my nutrients, vitamins and proteins from the source.

Animals should be treated with respect and care. That means feeding them, giving them a safe place to inhabit and then painlessly slaughtering them once it's time to harvest. Use every part for something or don't slaughter at all. We're far from the only life that kills to sustain themselves. The difference is we can do so humanely.

>>83033438
skulllet cope

>>83033369 (OP)
I'm tired of your spam

>>83036468
its not up to me to decide whether pigs or cows live freely or not, nor do i care if theyre captivated. its ok to not care about things that dont affect you in the slightest in your day to day life

>>83036508
>due to lack of capability
Because X might do harm if capable, we are justified in harming X now. I also don't think we can argue this hypothetical because in what would could these wild boars gain that capability? We are so far beyond them in evolution and intelligence it's simply an absurd scenario. We've already won the game of evolution.... which is why we debate ethics and morality.

So back to reality. Pigs were once wild and free, then we culled their numbers and removed the threat, but also enslaved their biological offspring into permanent captivity.

i'm just curious, do you see humans ever evolving out of the practice/tradition, even if it's in science fiction timelines like 500 years from now?

>>83033369 (OP)
>please logically explain why you eat meat. give me your best logical reasoning why you eat meat and drink milk
It is sold at store, so I buy it and eat with spice and flatbread and yellow rice. Thank you for vote me into your country! My daughters and I love work in Tyson Chicken factory farm for make much money. We are all human.

>>83033369 (OP)
>debate me
lol no.

animals are treated horribly, i would like them to be treated better.

but that's not on me. i'm not rich enough to buy 'ethical' food where the pigs live on open pastures and slaughtered on the highest-grade heroin.

i care more about people than animals, i'd care more about people being comfy. but the way things are set up, if i was the guy who had money to spare, i'd rather buy the cheap meat and then invest in (or outright donate to) lab-grown meat.

>>83036686
>Because X might do harm if capable, we are justified in harming X now
No, I simply said (making your point moot of "live and let live"), what they do when not domesticated is they would fuck and kill. My claim is their protein is needed for adequate thyroid levels (see above).

>do you see humans ever evolving out of the practice/tradition
Physiological profiles and their actions and downstream actions stimulate their own synthesis throughout the world. Someone with an abusive childhood, without proper nutrition that promotes adaptation would closely resemble his or her parents, repeating the cycle. The meta-metabolism of the world and physiology is the state of society. Serotonin, a hormone of aggression or helplessness depending on your circumstances and placement of the hierarchy breeds similar physiologies to the people around you. Literally and symbolically, steroids stimulate their own synthesis in our reality.
Currently, we live in an estrogenic, serotonergic society and it's possible the course gets overturned, but unlikely. Using a more high flexibility, high generality usage of the word "estrogenic", I mean to say even aging is estrogenic, since you gain tubby tits, lower metabolism, become moodier and are more prone to degenerative diseases (like alzheimers). Eliminating the estrogenic polyunsaturated fats is quintessential to all of this
CO2 seems to promote all of the adaptive, regenerative metabolic processes. The formation carbamino groups to prevent ammonia from turning into polyamines is one example. In a way, rising CO2 levels is our progress in humanity. That's one hope I have.
Generally though, people's average body temperatures have been going down. The average person's metabolism is decreased, again conducive to the estrogenic society. The growing hordes population of 3rd worlders and decreased population of 1st worlders (now 2nd worlders) is another symptom. Following the trajectory, we will never reach that singularity.

>>83033369 (OP)
>explain logically
you don't want a logical explanation, since that is obvious (nutrition, evolutionary history, etc) you clearly want an emotional explanation because you are a woman or have the mind of a woman. my credit to you if you are a tranny, this is very authentically feminized thinking. anyway the emotional explanation is that i simply don't care. this world is kill or be killed and i find myself in the role of the killer. would i be mad if i was the one getting killed? yeah no doubt. that possibility is, theoretically, on the table. until then, i will simply enjoy my factory farmed meat, eggs, dairy, and so on.

>>83033369 (OP)
Why vegan and not vegetarian? I understand the argument against meat but assuming that you get your milk and eggs from an ethical source and not factory farms then what's the problem? It doesn't hurt the animal.