Thread 83047980

Anons, why should I support communism/socialism instead of reform capitalism as an incel? Capitalism provides a very clear path to creating a family and boosting my attraction through resources (money/job) to project status. Under socialism/communism (more egalitarian/moneyless), I'm giving up money and other advantages I have as a man to boost women. Incelism/lookism wouldn't go away under socialism/communsm. Capitalism gives the average man/incel a better shot at creating a family unlike communism/socialism. Why shouldn't I spend all my efforts at sabotaging communism/socialism at every turn?

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>>83048004
>hurrrudururuurru mutebloxysuckmahdick
you are dishonest if you think capitalism doesn't benefit the average man dating wise, especially when you limit women's freedoms.

>>83047980 (OP)
Trve communism would give government assigned gfs albeit. The sexual marketplace only benefits the 1%, and the working classes must seize the means of reproduction or however the breadlines circle around the khrushchevka.

>>83048031
>you are dishonest if you think capitalism doesn't benefit the average man dating wise, especially when you limit women's freedoms.
Only if you see people as assets

Come help build socialism, comrade.

>>83047980 (OP)
real incels don't eat meat
real incels support feminism
real incels go to church

>>83048058
>>83048038
>>83048075
>>83048092
>Only if you see people as assets
My goal as an incel/average man is to secure a family (wife/children). Capitalism allows me to use money/certain jobs as a proxy of success. Communismn would rely more on looks, charisma, abilities, and intelligence. Why the fuck would I want that? The incel problem would get worse. I'm willingly to sacrifice peace and reform capitalism when it goes to shit.

>>83047980 (OP)
The economy is sick, usually people that have the money decide where it's going. Why are there millions of people on food stamps? Does that sound like a healthy economy to you? Read between the lines sort of thing. When I was reading text books they hailed alan derzerwitch as some sort of economic massiah and he was saying like 10% of the population in total. It's weird as fuck people use gdp, and not actual consumer statistics. A lot of their arguments I've found from retards is people don't deserve a wage to afford things. Affording things is a healthy sign of an economy. If they're a retard they'll spend it. The kind of economy with these hidden statistics. I mean you got obamacare was suppose to lower costs and make it more affordable. Where are the lower costs and affordability?

>>83048092
>real incels support feminism
Why would I support this as a Christian/religious man?

>>83048148
>lower costs and make it more affordable. Where are the lower costs and affordability?
we need government reforms for capitalism/social democracy. I won't support communists/socialists, i've explained in this thread why

>>83048100
You approach communism from the standpoint of a obstinate capitalist with a zero-sum mindset.
I'm not a huge fan of neither communism or socialism, but even I can see the appeal, even though it is flawed and idealistic.
Capitalism is the prevailing economic model in 90% of the world. If inceldom was exacerbated in more socialist societies and alleviated in more capitalistic societies, then it would be reflected in most western societies.

>>83048150
because jesus was a feminist, whatever that means

>>83048160
>>>83048148

No wait, alright let's back up. So alan greenspan maybe. Even if you back up before that. If you got millions of people on benefits and nobody is able to make low level transactions. There is like maybe a percent of people unable to and that's not like fibbing numbers even those people are likely contributing so a househould that does more. These statistics are wildly inflated, even biden had the whole the economy is good and now people are accusing anyone that would run against biden in a race about mental health issues and decline of age. Aside from all that though, what was your point. I am not sure what you're refering to. I mean if you want to talk about the economy it's just people trading money and large transactions really obscure and obfusticate things. I'm sure you had a good point though I didn't quit get what you said before maybe?

communism only appeals to schizos who want to debate where you need to go pee after 5pm for 12 hours
don't want to do that? you're probably a capitalist

>>83048100
>Communismn would rely more on looks, charisma, abilities, and intelligence
No, under communism you would marry who the government tells you to marry and vice versa. Matchmaking would be done by a government bureau and would be based around eugenic pairings. You wouldn't have to worry about looks, charisma, abilities, and intelligence because your entire life would be planned out for you from birth. You go to public school the party tells you to, you work at the factory the party tells you to, you marry and have kids with the foid the party tells you to, and you die when the party tells you to.

>>83048075
This is a hoax you picked off of reddit.

>>83048148
>>83048160
>>83048168
Free market capitalism means no central bank or fractional reserve banking. There would be no inflation in a free market. There would only be a natural deflation like which happened in the late 1800s.

Money printing just goes into the hands of the ultra rich, making their houses and stock valuations skyrocket while wages and savings of workers gets devalued.

Why the fuck does EVERYONE blame inflation on "capitalism"? What we fucking NEED is capitalism and we need it badly.
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills here.

>>83048178
you sound pretty schizo, i'm sorry.
>>83048168
I see the appeal, I'm even sympathetic, but I won't ever be completely supportive of it because I realize how much of an advantage it gives to men.
>f inceldom was exacerbated in more socialist societies and alleviated in more capitalistic societie
there is evidence how proxy of success shifted under transitory periods to communism (mao china, communal jews). different attributes were responsible for your reproductive success. can you not see how chad would have a bigger harem under communism? fuck that. at least if I potentially get a stable decent job, I can find a wife and have children.

>>83048168
The only decent post ITT. This thread is only bottom of the barrel retard communists and the conservatives who only hate communism because the afformentioned "libtards" make communism look more retarded than it actually is.

>>83048476
it's still extremely retarded

>>83048476
>afformentioned "libtards" make communism look more retarded than it actually is.
Ok, so how would success be measured under a communist society? Money is a decent proxy of success. If not money, the I would need to rely harder on my looks and abilities (genetic ceiling). This is idiotic to support if I am incel/sub 5. I'm up for reforming capitalism.

>>83047980 (OP)
>Capitalism provides a very clear path to creating a family and boosting my attraction through resources (money/job) to project status.

?

>Capitalism gives the average man/incel a better shot at creating a family unlike communism/socialism.

Isn't owning a house part of that? Why wouldn't you prefer a system that is better equipped for getting people who work to own a house like China instead?

>Under socialism/communism (more egalitarian/moneyless), I'm giving up money and other advantages I have as a man to boost women.

It's easier to socialize in a socialist state. The apps are likely less akin to skinner boxes because they're not designed to be money extracting software. You'll have more places to go like parks and walkable cities. There will be communal activities. If you can't use your increased purchasing power, increased free time, access to nutrition & exercise, access to women, and infrastructure designed with you in mind to attract a mate then I don't know what the fuck you're doing.

Your agency and capacity are higher in a socialist state because you would have a purpose besides being a paypig and a slaverat for the state and the corporation you work for. You'd also have had a better upbringing with parents with the energy and resources to raise you and an effort to make you better socialized meaning you probably wouldn't have ended up so fucked up in the first place.

Unless you really really in your soul believe that paying tithes, designing society and resource distribution, and indoctrination into making 200 people infinitely wealthy is the key to getting what you want. Then I don't know if there's any helping you.

>>83048509
>>83048476
you also need to remember I am chud/against feminism. In no world would communism/socialism come close to ever going against feminism.

>>83048509
>I'm up for reforming capitalism.
Just abolish the central bank so elon musk goes bankrupt and wages rise
its literally that easy
Libertarians were right about everything.
>>83048520
>Why wouldn't you prefer a system that is better equipped for getting people who work to own a house like China instead?
The state owns all of the housing in china. Chinese people just rent it from the state.
65% of Americans actually own their own homes.
>walkable cities.
lmao
>Your agency and capacity are higher in a socialist state because you would have a purpose besides being a paypig and a slaverat for the state and the corporation you work for.
Instead you'd have to work for the state for longer hours and less pay.
How is that any better?
>Unless you really really in your soul believe that paying tithes, designing society and resource distribution, and indoctrination into making 200 people infinitely wealthy is the key to getting what you want.
It's incredible how brainwashed you people are.
Liquidating all of these 200 people's wealth would give each worker a one time check for like $400. It's literally nothing.
The problem is government, not capitalism.

>>83048520
>1.
Yeah I don't know about that one. Anon thinking of getting a BBL or paying their wife to love them? Why the birth rates are so low.
>2.
Average man has no shot, lol, 1984 lottery system at this point with who gets funding, with it being weighted more to buzzword individuals like Elon. Unless you can pander, you are going nowhere. Having a good idea is useless without that.
>3.
That's capitalism as it stands now. Well run socialism will just give you money, as it sees the potential of your kids as probably more profitable than you dying childless, which is true. In current capitalism, your kids are seen as a burden even though we are complaining about birth rates dropping. Mind you these birth rates are historically the average if you discount the great pop boom of the 18th century to present.

Also, funny thing, I'm a reform capitalist, more moderate mixed than anything radical, I just am disillusioned with the corporatocracy in the US at this moment.

>>83048520
>equipped for getting people who work to own a house like China instead?
If everyone owns a house, then how would that make you attractive? It's common. No scarcity involved.
>If you can't use your increased purchasing power,
There isn't increased purchasing power. You would have to wait/be subject to communal wait times/lists.
>access to women, and infrastructure designed with you in mind to attract a mate then I don't know what the fuck you're doing.
see >>83048509 Look at our society now. Women can get jobs, yet men are still held to outdated standards (need to make almost as much money, have equal or greater education, be a provider essentially) and refuse to date down or equal. In a communist society, they would STILL only fuck and marry chads (top genetics - proxy of success).
>effort to make you better socialized meaning you probably wouldn't have ended up so fucked up in the first place.
This is a good point.
>and indoctrination into making 200 people infinitely wealthy
No, we need to reform but keep capitalism. Keep reforming every time we get some oligarchs.

>>83048562
Socialism would just force you into poverty.
If you think the money printing is bad now, wait until socialists get in power. We will likely have hyperinflation at that point.

>>83048374
A People's Tragedy: A History of the Russian Revolution
Orlando Figes
p. 742

>>83048562
>Anon thinking of getting a BBL or paying their wife to love them?
Ok, I was too simplistic with that. I mean if I have a decent job, I can find a poor wife. I'll be a betabuxx, better than being wifeless in communisty society in my eyes.
>Having a good idea is useless without that.
Better chances than you would have under a communist society. Women aren't going to magically fuck ugly dudes and start families under communism.

bump i need a communist to call me retarded

>>83048823
impossible, they're already brain dead

>>83048606
>Oliver M. Saylor, an American official, who was in Saratov at the time, says the "decree" was invented by some irresponsible individual and signed "The Free Association of Anarchists of Saratov"-a forgery-to discredit the Anarchists. The Anarchists were never in power; the Bolsheviki hated them, and had jailed several hundred of them. Mr. Saylor presented these facts in The New Republic, March 15, 1919--
>The Central Soviet Government published on May 18, 1918, a decision imposing a fine of 25,000 rubles on the Moscow comic paper Evening Life for printing a fictitious nationalization decree on May 3, and suppressed the paper.
Marxists.org also does not bother to include the decree for its list from 1917-1918 (the law was passed at least prior to 3 May 1918)
>https://www.marxists.org/history/ussr/events/revolution/documents/index.htm
The hoax takes form in 1919: https://www.jstor.org/stable/45328787?seq=3
>pic related
But it refuted repeatedly in the subsequent years.
Yes, there are spurious details in many histories that come from hoaxes. You found where the redditors got the hoax from. Next thing I know you're going to be telling me about headless men in Libya.

>>83048823
Does a disillusioned Marxist count? I came out dejected with the absolute state of it but still look fondly upon Marx's project. If you have any capitalist refutations of Communism then I can give the commonly received counterarguments and call you retarded. The you can ask for the argument against socialism/communism/marxism to see what refutes the counterargument. I'm dead tired though and have been up for 26 hours.

>>83048004
Communism has a 100% failure rate, Capitalism has a 100% success rate.
>b-but muh CCP
Failure and misery until they adopted Capitalism and morphed into the closest thing to Fascism since the 20th century. And the Fascist leftover from their Communist past (one party system) is the main reason people are still being oppressed there.
Go visit any post Soviet republic. See how they still live in run down buildings constructed during the USSR days and how descendants of Communist kleptocrats still live wealthy like during communist days lol.
The average family needs to sent their sons and daughters abroad for remittance money in countries that built actual prosperity under Capitalism because the average job in a lot of those countries doesn't even pay enough to cover living expenses.

>>83049410
>If you have any capitalist refutations of Communism then I can give the commonly received counterarguments and call you retarded.
Not him but:
-the economic calculation problem
-bohm bawerk's critique of marx

Keep in mind the marxist "critiques" of these things have been floating around for a long time now and have already been refuted by the austrians.

Also how about base and superstructure being an absolute bonkers retarded theory that denies human biological instincts?
What about the idea that giving all power to the state and expecting it to "wither away" is incredibly retarded?

>>83049591
Damn, you didn't waste time getting to it. This rapes me. I must concede...
Incidentally Hayek was what brought me to be highly skeptical of socialism as a whole. None of the later socialists gave any kind of convincing refutation, and most of it could be summarized as
>ok it's pretty bad. but it's not that bad lol. could have AI do the distribution or smth kek

>>83049591
>>83049892
And just fyi I have never read one of Mises' works, only excerpts from secondaries.