Thread 83075554

>don't want to have sex with men because it's inherently degrading
>only attracted to men
Am I just doomed to either feel worthless or be perpetually sexually frustrated?

>>83075554 (OP)
bruteforce lesbianism

>>83075561
>he thinks op isn't a troon or gay
hahhaahahahahahahaha

>>83075554 (OP)

You don't like being a man's bitch? We love bitches and taking care of them.

>>83075554 (OP)
I want a girl to just lay on top of me comfortably in a modestly affectionate way

>>83075561
Can't, is actively gross or puts me to sleep.

>>83075573
I'm not either but the reality is just as unflattering so it doesn't matter.

>>83075587
It's fine during sex itself, but I don't like it outside of it, and you're not having sex 24/7 so.

lesbians

sex toys

and yes sex is inherently degrading. that's why they used to unironically call successfully fucking a woman "conquests"

>>83075554 (OP)
>inherently degrading
Tell me what's inherently degrading about having sex with a 12-year-old boy half of your size, who you can easily dominate physically and mentally?

>>83075611
there's plenty of chads on this board? how is sex with chad degrading exactly? you should be happy and grateful to have the chance to fuck a chad's huge cock and feel neverending pleasure.

>>83075625
>and yes sex is inherently degrading
this is literally

literally

unironically

just you saying that you think death is better than even slightly entertaining the idea of sex with a nonchad

How is it inherently degrading? Stop listening to nonsense feminist rhetoric and stop letting porn shape your worldview.

>>83075554 (OP)
simply get in touch with your inner dom OP

reminder that all women, yes all women, think sex with nonchads is the same as going through extreme torture. they would rather go their entire lives alone with zero intimacy if their only options for sex was with nonchads. i probably couldn't even accurately describe the sheer unending and unimaginable hate women have for all nonchad men.

women would rather get run over

or get raped by chad

or get beaten viciously by chad

or be chad's side chick

or go through life in extreme isolation

than even look at a nonchad incel

>>83075611
>puts me to sleep.
Real sometimes in the middle of masturbating I just stop and fall asleep because it makes me that tired

>>83075627
Why bother to attempt to explain to someone who has already made up their mind?

>>83075625
Lesbians are like the antithesis of sex. It's boring. I'd genuinely rather sleep.
Sex toys don't sexually satisfy me. It's kind of hard to put in a way that men will understand, but basigly the body only achieves a certain level of sensitivity in the presence of another person. The orgasm is fine but the buildup to it is really really middling in comparison. Genuinely not worth it most of the time.
And what's your point? I'm saying it's degrading and that's why I dislike it. I know it is. I'm acknowledging that. That's the whole premise of the thread.

>>83075626
Straight shota books are entertaining enough but see the above comments. (And no, no interest in real life children.)

>>83075643
>How is it inherently degrading?
Think about it logically, letting a man literally *inside of you* and for him to treat you roughly besides is enormously degrading, moreso considering the fact that one enjoys it.

>>83075655
Don't really have an interest in anything other than extremely, extremely light femdom which wouldn't really qualify. I'm not remotely dominant.

>>83075664
>>83075684
You don't know who I've fucked. I don't think they would describe themselves as "Chad."

it's so funny

now women go on this fucking site inbetween their fuck sessions with chad

so they can insult and degrade and hate on men they don't even consider the same species, they don't even consider them on the same level as dogs or pigs covered in shit and piss. a nonchad incel to women is on the same level as a struggling worm in dirt. so insignificant and pathetic and disgusting to them they're on the same level as the most base and rudimentary lifeform. utterly pointless and meaningless on every level besides existing for their amusement. i hate women so much it is unreal.

>>83075718
why don't you just fuck off and go bareback a chad you dumb cunt.

>>83075724
>now women go on this fucking site inbetween their fuck sessions with chad
You guys are the ones insisting that, reality doesn't matter to you. I've slept with a guy from /r9k/ who was a virgin prior. He's handsome but I don't think he'd describe himself as "Chad."

>>83075735
Chad Chad Chad Chad Chad Chad

an entire thread just so a woman can proclaim to a board full of miserable men just how degrading and disgusting the very thought of fucking nonchads is to her.

>>83075739
>Chad Chad Chad Chad Chad Chad
yeah that's what you're doing right now you stupid cunt.
>UUUGGGHHH SEX WITH NONCHADS IS JUST SO DEGRADING BAAAWWWWW IT'S SO DISGUSTING EEEWWWWWWWW
>WHERE'S CHAD I WANT TO RIDE CHAD NOW NOW NOW AAAAAAUUUUGGHH

>>83075718
Yeah you know what I hope you get knocked up and an abusechad ruins your life

>>83075611

>It's fine during sex itself, but I don't like it outside of it, and you're not having sex 24/7 so.

Sounds like brain-pussy dissonance that is only reconciled during ovulation. This is expected for foids. Women are conscious beings so their nature as females can be shocking to them when they are confronted with the brutal rawness of it in the absence of clouding hormones.

>>83075803
women just see fucking anyone but the best man they can get as degrading and humiliating. it's not that complicated. they YEARN for chad harems, they YEARN to have chad pump them full of his seed over and over so they can have the privilege of raising his children and continuing a chad bloodline personally.

>>83075718
Why don't you top him. Dicks stick out so comically to begin with. Why not grab it and pull him towards you. If you're on top you'll be way more of a threat with how easily you can break it using your body. In that sense you're binding him more than he's penetrating you. He is literally at your mercy for pleasure or pain.

>>83075842
cause women want to have their backs blown the fuck out by chad as aggressively and primal as possible.

>>83075554 (OP)
i don't sleep with men because something is mentally wrong with me that makes me unable to. and because ive never met anybody id want to sleep with

>>83075842
Don't really want to, feels better to have a guy bear down on you. It's like a heating blanket + weighted blanket that penetrates you.

>>83075828

True too.

>>83075855

NTA, but sounds like you enjoy prone bone.

Good taste.

>>83075718
that image you posted is proof that you're not being degraded if you're fucking some dude who likes you, you are on fire all over and so is he.
you're only degraded if you've somehow let someone in who is terrible.
that's what relationships are for, to vet the guy before he does something degrading. he doesn't have to be chad

...unless, i guess, he does have to be chad, which is what a few of the people here are suspecting

>>83075901
>that image you posted is proof that you're not being degraded if you're fucking some dude who likes you, you are on fire all over and so is he.
Are you autistic? The two are not mutually exclusive.

>>83075718
>It's kind of hard to put in a way that men will understand, but basigly the body only achieves a certain level of sensitivity in the presence of another person.
that's because the brain is wired to do that. mind you, modern humans are still animals with instinctual urge.
>Think about it logically, letting a man literally *inside of you*
I mean you can think about it from a domination perspective or think about it from a trust one. competitively as well.
>and for him to treat you roughly
not all sex has to be rough sex
>I'm not remotely dominant.
damn you might just be fucked then le-mao

>>83075920
>that's because the brain is wired to do that. mind you, modern humans are still animals with instinctual urge.
I know that but a lot of people here probably don't
>I mean you can think about it from a domination perspective or think about it from a trust one. competitively as well.
This does not change my point at all.
>not all sex has to be rough sex
How are you defining "rough" because even really vanilla stuff would still more or less be so. I'm not talking about giga pornbrained stuff like choking or face-slapping.
>damn you might just be fucked then le-mao
Yes.

>>83075931
Nobody is forcing you to reply

>>83075952
not even trying to dodge the whore accusation hehe

>>83075931
I think over half the moids here are mocking OP for this dissonance >>83075754
She doesn't want to be degraded... until Chad shows up at which point she's willing to commit felonies for a chance at a taste of his dick

>>83075554 (OP)
>>don't want to have sex with men because it's inherently degrading

>you don't like being a man's bitch?
>>83075611
>>It's fine during sex itself, but I don't like it outside of it, and you're not having sex 24/7 so.

Doesn't want to have sex with a man because it's degrading, but it's fine being degraded during sex itself. Women.
Yeah, if you look at it as the act of being penetrated, it's hard not to think of it being degrading. Change your framing. You and another person like each other enough to be so vulnerable you're literally getting naked and having sex with them. Seems a lot more equal, especially that you can always close your legs at any time, right?

>>83075554 (OP)
I mean you can take drugs to supress your sexual urges

>>83075964
Why waste my breath? You've already made up your mind. Reality doesn't matter. I can't convince you.

>>83075974
>You and another person like each other enough to be so vulnerable you're literally getting naked and having sex with them.
Isn't that just dressing it up in pretty words?

>>83075977
Emotional needs still persist. It's mostly emotional. I'm basically never horny independently. Doesn't matter.

>>83075998
>Why waste my breath? yap yap yap
LLM-tier response lmao
Dumb and fake whore

>>83075952
>How are you defining "rough"
really generally, like any type of fucking more than a medium pace. slapping, choking, and whatever the fuck have you, would obviously would fall into that category too.

>>83075998
>Isn't that just dressing it up in pretty words?
Perhaps my take on it is fundamentally different as a man, but I've only slept with one woman (my gf of 2 years) and I find the act of intimacy special and non-degrading. She likes it rough on occasion and even then I don't consider it degrading towards her because she explicitly asks for it. It's an exercise in trust and bonding that also feels really fucking good. Perhaps you could get this too if you had sex with someone who sincerely loves you.

>>83076053
I'm not even talking about the type of thing you would consider "rough." The act itself is just inherently degrading for the woman.

>>83076070
>Perhaps my take on it is fundamentally different as a man
Yes, it is. You're occupying an entirely different position and cannot begin to imagine what it's like for the other party. You're like a boomer saying "I don't think becoming a homeowner is hard" or "I don't think having a family is hard."
>Perhaps you could get this too if you had sex with someone who sincerely loves you.
This does not change my statement. Lots of assumptions.

>WAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHG AUAUUGGGHH AAAHHHHHHHHH
>I DESERVE CHAD COCK I DESERVE CHAD COCK I DESERVE CHAD COCK
keep yapping fembot

>>83076200
Chadcakes?

>>83076204
you see nonchads as lesser unworthy beings that make you filthy and degrade you through the act of sex. either land a chad or be a volcel. either way shut the fuck up.

>>83076218
You said that I fucked Chad and insisted it unprompted.

>>83076222
if you had a chad to fuck you wouldn't be crying about nonchad dicks tarnishing your soul or whatever mentally retarded woman brained horseshit you're spouting from your loose pussi flaps. cunt.

What about cowgirl and cunnlingus? In the former you are the active partner, you can say you're fucking him, in the latter you are using his mouth to get off and he can lick your clit not even penetrate you.

>>83076264
Read the thread before posting, because I've already addressed this.

>>83076268
ctrl+f doesn't give any results of it.

>>83076338
Hence why I told you to *read* the thread. >>83075855

>>83075718
do women actually feel pleasure touching own tits? thought it was just a porn thing

>>83076365
I posted the image for a reason anon...goodness.

>>83076352
So getting eaten out doesn't feel as good as getting penetrated, but sex is degrading because you're forced into a subservient role, yet you won't take the position of the dominant role because the subservient role physically feels better. There's no winning with you.

>>83076373
That is the premise of the entire thread. Keep it up and you'll be reading at grade level in no time.

Felt the same way, then got a chadlite bf and had sex, and still felt the same way. Its gross disturbing scary. No amount of modern sexual brainwashing can convince my autistic ass that sex isn't some kind of dangerous humiliation ritual that you should only do for procreation. No I will not repeat it with a chad instead of a chadlite bc muh chad dick is so special.

>>83076384
I guarantee you you can be sexually satisfied (per the original complaint) while still remaining in the dominant position. Cunnilingus, riding, hell, just get a desperate, pathetic man and bully him as he penetrates you in missionary. You're in full control and degrading HIM as he's servicing YOU. Voila. Problem solved. "Ohhh im getting penetrated the very act is degrading" boo fucking hoo, you're a woman. You don't really get another option. Learn to reframe your perspective so you no longer see the act of penetration as inherently degrading.

>sex is degrading
Mindbroken neurotic foids who can't relax and enjoy themselves baka. Sometimes a penis is just a penis.

>>83076403
I don't have any desire to be dominant. It's about as appealing to me as eating my own toenails. No thank you.

>>83076394
See you get it. I'm not crazy!

>>83075554 (OP)
>inherently degrading
real. i havent ever even allowed anybody to see me naked because im scared about not being adequate enough or something. the vulnerability scares me

>>83076434
Then just wear lingerie. Also find someone who's not an asshat who'll make you feel bad.

>>83076415
>Doesn't like sex (specifically penetrative sex) because it's degrading
>Won't accept cunnilingus because it doesn't feel as good
>Won't accept the option of penetrative sex where they're the one doing the degrading instead, thereby switching the roles in classic PIV sex
at the root of it, you are just a sex averse person. don't obfuscate with "degradation" and whatnot because that's clearly not the root issue here. you're self-blind and want to bitch to bitch. if anything, this at least proves women do use /r9k/ because no man would be this fucking allergic to logical answers to their problems.

>>83076442
i dont like lingerie because underwear like that feels like its stabbing into my skin even if it fits right. and im just insecure about it even if i do find someone who wont judge ill still feel like they are or at least are just putting up with it. ill be scared they dont actually find me attractive

>>83076107
just get raped and kill yourself already, jesus fucking christ

sex is degrading to a women if she falsely consider herself the equal of the man

>>83076462
Get lingerie made from a good material that feels comfy and get a man who genuinely likes you then make him fall in love before seggs. If he's in love then he finds you attractive.

>>83076493
im not sure what material is best. i usually wear boxers or boy shorts because i hate panties digging into my skin. and yeah, ill probably wait for a while. i waited around half a year before even kissing my ex

>>83076533
>im not sure what material is best.
It's really more about quality than anything. Some lace is soft and nice and some is itchy and crappy.
>ill probably wait for a while
Yeah that's good just make him fall in love and it's solved.
>i waited around half a year before even kissing my ex
And wasn't he nice enough to make you less anxious?

>>83076553
>Some lace is soft and nice and some is itchy and crappy.
blegh, really thinking about it the only soft lace ive been able to find was a brallete. maybe the company that made it also sells bottoms
>it's solved
maybe. for a while ill probably still have the insecurity problems
>And wasn't he nice enough to make you less anxious?
yeah. it was still crazily stressing and shocking. whenever i imagined it, it felt nothing like how it actually does. i remember freezing up completely during it since it was my first kiss with anyone

op is confirmed female- having contradictory desires that can never be satisfied, driving herself to unnecesary unhapiness and suffering

>>83075554 (OP)
it's ok op, i feel the same way too!!! i don't really have any words of wisdom because yeah it actually sucks!!!!! don't engage!!!!!

>>83076793
neptune sama, why do you think sex is degrading?

>>83076808
i don't think the act in a vacuum is degrading, but with the lens of culture it becomes such
already put in the thread but men having sex with women = conquest, as an example

>>83076823
NTA but do you think its possible to have non-degrading heterosexual sex? It's usually a package deal but I love my girlfriend and I don't want her to feel anything but that during intercourse.

>>83076838
>NTA but do you think its possible to have non-degrading heterosexual sex?
OP here, it's possible for the man, but not for the woman

>>83076838
no
HOWEVER; people who enjoy themselves without concerning themselves with the opinions of the masses are the strongest amongst us all

>>83076870
Even something like egalitarian, vanilla missionary sex between two people in love?
I view sex as something that brings two people together. It's a chance to make my partner feel desired and give eachother pleasure and connection.

>>83076870
OP, why? I don't understand
is it the literal act of penetration that you find degrading?
is it the idea of the man being the active partner and the woman being the passive partner?
because you could just as easily conceptualie PIV sex as the woman "enveloping" the man, with her being active and him being passive

i'll never understand the mindset behind people who think sex is inherently degrading
it can be, but it doesn't have to be
you just distort it in your heads and spew out these fucked up ideas about it and i'll never understand what the fuck damaged you to the point you actually unironically come to think something so outlandish

incomprehensible

>>83075554 (OP)
It doesn't need to be degrading, it can be gentle and romantic too. I don't really like rough sex, I like being more intimate and passionate.

>>83076894
well it's established i am both crazy and damaged!!!
at least i do my best to keep it to myself and be kind :]

>>83075718
>Think about it logically, letting a man literally *inside of you* and for him to treat you roughly besides is enormously degrading, moreso considering the fact that one enjoys it.
okay pegging is big now, find some sissy that wants be pegged you mentall ill freak

>>83075554 (OP)
date a trans girl/femboy then

>>83076933
you need a bonk to the head with the fury of a thousand supernovae
a nuclear fusion powered atomic bonk, so to speak

>>83076951
i'm soooooooo silly xP!!!!

>>83076892
>is it the literal act of penetration that you find degrading?
Yes but not exclusively so.
>because you could just as easily conceptualie PIV sex as the woman "enveloping" the man, with her being active and him being passive

>uhhh dude no I, the cuck, am actually the bigger man here because I don't CARE who fucks my wife! I'm dominant and in control here, heh!

>>83076894
Actually thinking about it instead of unga bunga.

>>83076901
I've addressed this, read the thread.

>>83076946
I'm not into women and femboys are mostly attractive to me in the realm of 2D only.

>>83076967
what do you think about this femboy?

>>83075554 (OP)
Cutest Asasissy

>>83076967
>uhhh dude no I, the cuck, am actually the bigger man here because I don't CARE who fucks my wife! I'm dominant and in control here, heh!
yeah I get it, you can't just psyop yourself out of the reality that men are bigger and stronger
>mostly attractive to me in the realm of 2D only
okay, so if you conceptualize your ideal fantasy sex with one of your husbandos, what does it look like?
or is it disgusting to you even in anime

>>83075554 (OP)
Read the whole thread. Here's what I've gathered.
>You enjoy a closeness and pressure of someone on top of you
>You don't want to be dominated or conquested
>Not really into femdom either
What are your thoughts on having a guy obsessed with you and essentially only wanting to give you pleasure, where his role is on top, not out of domination but because he wants to accommodate what you enjoy the most.
Also I just want to say that I'm not trying to prove anything, just genuinely curious about your thoughts on this.

>>83077050
HRT femboys aren't erotic to me at all. All but women.

>>83077064
>okay, so if you conceptualize your ideal fantasy sex with one of your husbandos, what does it look like?
I find ships generally much more compelling and don't really have a "husbando."

>>83077068
>What are your thoughts on having a guy obsessed with you and essentially only wanting to give you pleasure, where his role is on top, not out of domination but because he wants to accommodate what you enjoy the most.
Sounds like one of those safe horny types. "Don't worry I'm not a threat to you I love and respect women." That's somehow worse

>>83077084
this doesn't really answer the question, I'm asking you what would non-degrading heterosexual sex even look like, in your opinion. Is it even theoretically possible?

>>83077146
Well yeah. But if it was genuine?

>>83077151
No. It's not [for the woman]. That's the point of the whole thread. It sucks!

>>83077157
I would get self-conscious and not want to be focused on/exclusively pleasured. Not a good time

>>83077084
he actually isnt on hrt!

>>83077163
I don't even get why you're sexually frustrated then. I'm sexually frustrated because I think of a bunch of sex that I want to have, but I'm not having it. Or sometimes I'll get frustrated because I can conceptualize an ideal relationship, but I don't feel like it exists in reality
But in your case, there isn't even any sex that you want to have. Like you don't even think it's theoretically possible
I don't get why you're conflicted. It sounds like you're just asexual or something. Is the issue literally just that you get physiologically horny, but all the methods of resolving that horniness are repulsive to you?

>>83077163
>I would get self-conscious and not want to be focused on/exclusively pleasured. Not a good time
Fair. It would take a lot to actually be comfortable with that, especially with the pervasive influence of porn.

Toxic Feminism ruins another woman's relationship with men. Sad! Many such cases