Thread 83077056

can you be an incel if you have never asked a woman out?

>>83077056 (OP)
doesnt matter. You can only be incel if youre autistic. Otherwise youre a volcel under all circumstances. Just try.

>>83077056 (OP)

You can if it's because you're scared to try. That's a mentalcel.

>>83077056 (OP)
Yes. If you never had an opportunity to ask women out, you are an incel.

Most murders are done because of women
No one will touch this

>>83077056 (OP)
>can you be an incel if you have never asked a woman out?
yeah, i can just tell i'll get rejected because i am ugly, short, and have a bad personality.

>>83077069
austim is a meme mental illness.

>>83077056 (OP)
Yes because women approach men they find sexually attractive. If you haven't been approached, women don't want you.

>>83077056 (OP)
If you're actively trying to ask women out and your brain blocks you, I'd say that's right on the lower threshold for incel. Could be called either incel or volcel.
>>83077073
yeah, mentalcel would be most accurate

>>83077056 (OP)
No, the "in" in "incel" stands for involuntary, which implies despite your best efforts, you never had a GF, if you've never put forth an effort, you are a volcel

>>83077056 (OP)
I'm very shy and have never asked a woman out (can't do it, mental block/anxiety) and I consider myself incel.
Yes, as non-ugly mentalcel I would be able to get a gf if I was more active and confident. But I'm not. And telling me "just be more confident" sadly doesn't work. And women almost never take the initiative. Maybe, they jump on 10/10 Chads, but certainly not on average men.

If some man never asked a woman out because of very high standards, they are volcel.

Yes, technically, but almost definitely not for almost all practical purposes. If you're a paraplegic burn victim with dementia, you know women will reject you, but for the overwhelming majority of men (like >>83077073 >>83077641 >>83077681), you're just pussies who don't want to risk rejection. That isn't involuntary at all.
>>83077075
Yeah if you've been kidnapped since birth or put into slavery and only men are around you, you'll have no opportunities. But that's insanely rare lol.
>>83077526
No, lmfao. Women only approach a tiny, tiny portion of men but almost all young men are still fucking. Women won't come to you unless you're a chad.

>>83077056 (OP)
>>83077697
I don't fucking care about the meme labels I just plan to destroy gynocentrism. That is all I care about.

>>83077673
Yes, and I have asked girls/women out, both IRL and online

Any foid/passing transwoman/femboy that hasn't asked a man out is 1000% volcel
>in b4 "well ackshully (im totally am girl not trolling btw) i dropped hints to guys but we arent supposed to actually ask guys out, that's humiliating and wouldnt work"

Volcel and has had sex within at least the past year, likely month.

>>83077697
>If you're a paraplegic burn victim with dementia
It boils down to the same, you're too scared to try or avoiding the consequences of trying. If you're going to take this stance, it should be physical barriers only.

they will call themselves incels for sure. so many "incels" don't even try

>>83077724
What does that society look like?
>>83077773
There is a point you're too ugly, though, obviously--it's just extraordinarily rare. Most self-proclaimed incels are just completely regular men with a bit of anxiety who have deluded themselves that they're 0s.

>>83077056 (OP)
I only tried once and it was when I was 14 an got rejected.

>>83077769
>"Passing" trans woman
Even if they were any guy who isn't absolutely down bad or gay

>>83077819
>it's just extraordinarily rare
I guess, but at that point how many people are left that can fit this criteria? I assume we have to exclude prostitution, else I'm not sure such ugly exists. At this stage, we might as well not have a word which describes a scenario that basically never happens outside of kidnapping like you said.

>>83077697
>No, lmfao. Women only approach a tiny, tiny portion of men but almost all young men are still fucking. Women won't come to you unless you're a chad.
Correct, but that means that when women find you sexually attractive, they will approach. They approach Chad, after all. What it also says is that most men who are having sex are doing so with women who do not physically desire them.

>>83077920
Trvth nvke. I want to actually be desired by my partner. Impossible for anyone other than Chad.

>>83077918
What I mean is you have to try thoroughly to know if you're too ugly and socially unable.
It's not that obvious that you will fail, except if you're very disfigured/deformed. But most self-proclaimed incels think they are too ugly while they've never talked to a female peer before unless they were forced to in school.
>>83077920
No. It's like if you could get infinite McDonald's for free but you still sometimes go out and get S-tier steaks for $40. It doesn't mean you can't enjoy the McDonald's as is. It's a very different dynamic from how men get sex/dates but that obviously doesn't mean men don't prefer hotter girls as well.

>>83077056 (OP)
>i'm an alcohol but i have never tried alcohol

>>83077947
yes you are an anchohol

>>83077955
*alcohol
holy shit put me down

>>83077946
>What I mean is you have to try thoroughly to know if you're too ugly and socially unable.
Hey look, you've paraphrased the post you called me out on
>If you're actively trying to ask women out and your brain blocks you, I'd say that's right on the lower threshold for incel.
Pleased to see you can develop a degree of nuance. And no, I don't disagree with your overall point, so I guess there's no argument.

>>83077819
Anyone below an 8 is too ugly for women.
>inb4 approach
Theres no women anywhere and bothering women in the stret is harassment
>>83077697
>you'll have no opportunities
Anyone working as a wageslave has no opportunities
>colleagues are men
>volunteering is just men
> hobby groups and sports groups are just men
>church is men and old people
Etc etc

>>83078047
"being rejected 100s of times by obese single mothers -> knowing you're too unpalatable to women" isn't even remotely close to what your brain blocking you. I genuinely have no clue what you're talking about.

>>83078081
>it's impossible to meet women yet almost all young men have had sex
Get a trip so I can filter you. I'm pretty sure you should get checked for schizophrenia.

>>83077056 (OP)
Cold approaching is deranged, and I'm too ugly to make male friends, let alone female friends

Have you ever asked a female to have coitus?

>>83078091
>buying a prostitute is totally the same as having a gf
Retard

>>83078114
>90% of men fuck prostitutes
Please, meds.

>>83078116
>counts boomers
>counts people having hookups in high school
>counts people having hookups in college
And if by that time theyre still virgins they go to hookers yeah
Youre delusional

>>83077784
Try what? Do you think bothering women in the street work?
>inb4 not there
Do you think muh hiking groups or dance classes are just full of young girl dying to meet people? No. Theyre not

>>83078126
If you're still a virgin after college you're basically human garbage and don't deserve to reproduce.
Kindly go and enlist/die in a war.

>>83078126
It's 90% of young men aren't virgins

>>83077056 (OP)
If you're extremely ugly/autistic, you don't need to ask out a bunch of women to prove you're an incel, since it's already a given they'll reject you because of your features.
Also if you're actually desirable women will approach you, so clearly any guy who doesn't get approached is undesirable and therefore an incel.

>>83078156
>any guy who doesn't get approached is undesirable and therefore an incel
90% of men have been incels for generations, damn. How do we keep the population up?

>>83077056 (OP)
>can you be an incel if you have never asked a woman out?
Of course. A noncel would have foids coming to him.
They luck into willing pussy just by existing in a foid's presence.
To be 30+ and never having unpaid sex is clear indication of inceldom.
A few foids have stared at me over the years, but they never say shit, so it doesn't matter.

>>83078153
>college, high school and hookers
Theres your explanation

>>83078165
90% of young men arent incel. You're just human garbage and genetic failures.
Just approach women already instead of bitching. Geez incels are pathetic.

>>83078247
>90% of young men arent incel. You're just human garbage and genetic failures.
>Just approach women already instead of bitching. Geez incels are pathetic.
Get the fuck off my board, troll.

>>83078083
Ah, that's what you meant by socially unable, sorry I thought you were moving the goal posts. I'm specifically interested in divining a robust definition of the word than proving I am / am not an incel.
If we're setting the level at asking hundreds of obese fat losers, I'd reiterate what I said earlier and ask how many people are we actually describing here? If you are highly disfigured, surely you just ask other disfigured people out? This is why I posted this >>83077773

>>83078284
A good definition for incel is very different from a set of heuristics to diagnose incels. It's easy to define what gold is in terms of the protons, neutrons, etc. it has, but it is much harder to know if a piece of metal you're holding is actually gold without specialized devices. I think a good definition of "incel" just is a person who has no ability to get unpaid consensual sex with the sex(es) he/she is attracted to me (so not including rape, prostitutes, or sex with men for straight incels).
OP is asking about a heuristic for what will be true about incels. It is sometimes the case you can be an incel who never asked out anyone, but the overwhelming majority of these guys are just normalcattle who are insecure and terrified of talking to women. In my view, unless you're super deformed/disfigured, you'd have to definitely ask out at least several dozen women to know you're an incel. In general, I believe <0.5% of men are incels based on how rare incels are on this board with predominantly virgin men and any sort of place where virginal men come together online, plus all the stats that the number of sexless young men is only ~10-15%, so a tiny fraction of 10-15% would be the rate.
I don't believe disfigured women like disfigured men, but I could be wrong.