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Thread 12375783 Archived

Thread ID: 12375783 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 3:39:21 PM | Posts: 9 | Images: 2

what parasocial activity should i do today? Your fortune: Very Bad Luck

Thread 12375052 Archived

Thread ID: 12375052 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 6:25:19 AM | Posts: 4 | Images: 1

Gosh anon, you are such a cutie!

Thread 12375126 Archived

Thread ID: 12375126 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 7:25:49 AM | Posts: 3 | Images: 1

Thicc bitches thursday

Thread 12375798 Archived

Thread ID: 12375798 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 3:51:47 PM | Posts: 7 | Images: 2

squirt your dna

Thread 12375841 Archived

Thread ID: 12375841 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 4:16:32 PM | Posts: 1 | Images: 1

Christ ! Your fortune: Reply hazy, try again

s4s raffle Archived

Thread ID: 12375839 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 4:15:14 PM | Posts: 1 | Images: 1

There having a raffle to see who gets suck Howdy Doodys cock

Thread 12375012 Archived

Thread ID: 12375012 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 6:03:07 AM | Posts: 5 | Images: 1

oink

tetotetotetotetotetoteto Archived

Thread ID: 12373654 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 4:39:39 PM | Posts: 16 | Images: 8

first i teto then i teto! reblog if the teto is teto when the teto we all got that one teto that teto too much

Thread 12375788 Archived

Thread ID: 12375788 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 3:40:38 PM | Posts: 2 | Images: 2

Hanuki is sade.. Your fortune: Godly Luck

Thread 12373771 Archived

Thread ID: 12373771 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 6:42:10 PM | Posts: 14 | Images: 1

does anyone know the name of this song i heard on twitch.tv https://youtu.be/5Rk8u2FTaG0

Be humble Archived

Thread ID: 12375713 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 2:50:08 PM | Posts: 4 | Images: 1

>I’m in a rush today, I got things to do outside >Level some dirt, maybe till to mix it all up >Everyone complains and it’s not even serious >I reseeded my lawn have to do it again in fall >This ...

Thread 12375768 Archived

Thread ID: 12375768 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 3:25:30 PM | Posts: 1 | Images: 1

https://youtu.be/ECqMVUzJQEY?si=B7CxHq6AYeGSCvDC

Thread 12375737 Archived

Thread ID: 12375737 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 3:05:42 PM | Posts: 3 | Images: 2

I think I'm going blind Your fortune: Average Luck

Thread 12375750 Archived

Thread ID: 12375750 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 3:13:32 PM | Posts: 1 | Images: 1

almost vomited in the bin again Your fortune: Average Luck

. Archived

Thread ID: 12375580 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 12:35:35 PM | Posts: 5 | Images: 3

Mfw coffee Your fortune: Better not tell you now

Thread 12370246 Archived

Thread ID: 12370246 | Detected: 7/1/2025, 3:58:30 AM | Posts: 20 | Images: 7

What type of pasta is made in a black household? Niggatoni

Thread 12375138 Archived

Thread ID: 12375138 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 7:46:05 AM | Posts: 7 | Images: 2

My schizo voices called me crazy AGAIN. AGAIN! the NERVE of them!

Thread 12375073 Archived

Thread ID: 12375073 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 6:40:47 AM | Posts: 2 | Images: 1

i'll have one carbonara, extre peas, hold the cream

Thread 12375695 Archived

Thread ID: 12375695 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 2:40:59 PM | Posts: 1 | Images: 1

WOW

Economic woes Archived

Thread ID: 12373479 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 2:19:41 PM | Posts: 17 | Images: 1

>I’m not sure know how no one understands this >Economy on how it’s to suppose to go on and on >Millionaires are okay billionaires ruin it for all >Once apple hit a trillion, things started to waver...

Thread 12373667 Archived

Thread ID: 12373667 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 4:53:28 PM | Posts: 15 | Images: 3

president spikeman

Thread 12374577 Archived

Thread ID: 12374577 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 1:17:22 AM | Posts: 8 | Images: 2

Watch my zombie

Thread 12374966 Archived

Thread ID: 12374966 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 5:36:39 AM | Posts: 5 | Images: 1

my diet is slowly consisting of only baked potatoes, apple pecan salads, and egg sandwiches Your fortune: You will meet a dark handsome stranger

Thread 12375024 Archived

Thread ID: 12375024 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 6:11:18 AM | Posts: 11 | Images: 1

Goodnight s4s :3 Your fortune: Good news will come to you by mail

Thread 12375304 Archived

Thread ID: 12375304 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 9:05:33 AM | Posts: 11 | Images: 3

just the default glegle for today

Thread 12369174 Archived

Thread ID: 12369174 | Detected: 6/30/2025, 8:52:30 PM | Posts: 41 | Images: 7

i wanted to make le oc drawing since i saw many of them on le catalog, its not as good but im proud of it! enjoy lole

Thread 12373497 Archived

Thread ID: 12373497 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 2:28:40 PM | Posts: 10 | Images: 5

I'm.. pooined

Thread 12375101 Archived

Thread ID: 12375101 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 7:02:12 AM | Posts: 13 | Images: 2

Everyone is the only one, can't be replaced!

Thread 12375674 Archived

Thread ID: 12375674 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 2:33:03 PM | Posts: 1 | Images: 1

anine foot

Thread 12374424 Archived

Thread ID: 12374424 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 11:59:43 PM | Posts: 33 | Images: 6

who are you plapping?

Thread 12373712 Archived

Thread ID: 12373712 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 5:39:29 PM | Posts: 8 | Images: 5

praise God for ice cream on hot days, every blessing hes given us, and all the grace/mercy hes given us Your fortune: Excellent Luck

Thread 12375660 Archived

Thread ID: 12375660 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 2:16:14 PM | Posts: 1 | Images: 1

i dont care if a dude straight that bitch still gay to me! why the fuck does he lose so many women otherwise?! bitch is worse than gay, he's a lovecel!

Walk in see this Archived

Thread ID: 12374446 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 12:04:05 AM | Posts: 13 | Images: 6

And be honest for once in your failed life. Your fortune: （　´_ゝ`）ﾌｰﾝ

Thread 12373142 Archived

Thread ID: 12373142 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 9:14:48 AM | Posts: 8 | Images: 2

fox woman mercilessly riding her human bf until he is sore and worn-out

Thread 12375631 Archived

Thread ID: 12375631 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 1:46:20 PM | Posts: 1 | Images: 1

you will see that my piranha fish get very hungry

Thread 12375112 Archived

Thread ID: 12375112 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 7:10:10 AM | Posts: 5 | Images: 1

a girl tried to ruin my life just because I didn't like her piercing.

Thread 12375600 Archived

Thread ID: 12375600 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 12:59:37 PM | Posts: 3 | Images: 1

Install Bazzite GNU/Linux (for peak gaming performance)

reasons not to end it day 3 Archived

Thread ID: 12375550 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 12:04:23 PM | Posts: 4 | Images: 1

it is day 3, and here is my third reason why: i don't want to miss out on GTA 6 Your fortune: Good news will come to you by mail

Thread 12369751 Archived

Thread ID: 12369751 | Detected: 7/1/2025, 12:47:14 AM | Posts: 22 | Images: 15

The forehead girl

Thread 12375563 Archived

Thread ID: 12375563 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 12:20:08 PM | Posts: 2 | Images: 2

Have a nice stretchy (like have a nice day with stretchy)

Thread 12372973 Archived

Thread ID: 12372973 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 6:44:22 AM | Posts: 23 | Images: 3

Found this because of Pol. Flabby retard gets confronted by his neighbor for listening to AI Hitler speeches. https://x.com/AnalThunder01/status/1939437150610579690

Thread 12373458 Archived

Thread ID: 12373458 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 2:10:39 PM | Posts: 13 | Images: 5

how to belong here?

Thread 12375354 Archived

Thread ID: 12375354 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 9:18:46 AM | Posts: 4 | Images: 3

battlefield 1 is just weed 1

Thread 12373441 Archived

Thread ID: 12373441 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 1:57:48 PM | Posts: 36 | Images: 11

Can someone give me permission to commit suicide please?

rape is cool Archived

Thread ID: 12375498 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 11:09:40 AM | Posts: 2 | Images: 1

rape is nice Your fortune: Godly Luck

Thread 12325108 Archived

Thread ID: 12325108 | Detected: 6/13/2025, 4:52:52 AM | Posts: 306 | Images: 101

archaic memories

Thread 12374582 Archived

Thread ID: 12374582 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 1:19:02 AM | Posts: 6 | Images: 2

I'm down to my last can. Your fortune: Very Bad Luck

Thread 12374750 Archived

Thread ID: 12374750 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 3:05:37 AM | Posts: 8 | Images: 3

dr. ses Your fortune: Excellent Luck

Thread 12375375 Archived

Thread ID: 12375375 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 9:35:00 AM | Posts: 2 | Images: 1

*wrestles you to the ground* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CWrFOWQWOqI

Thread 12375371 Archived

Thread ID: 12375371 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 9:32:56 AM | Posts: 10 | Images: 6

not gonna give all my money to Jews

Thread 12373977 Archived

Thread ID: 12373977 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 8:44:57 PM | Posts: 4 | Images: 1

is it true that short shorts on dudes are making a comeback? i have seen the dudes are rocking.

Thread 12374230 Archived

Thread ID: 12374230 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 10:55:24 PM | Posts: 55 | Images: 10

/ck/ is having multiple meetups, why doesn't esfores ever have meetups?

Thread 12372679 Archived

Thread ID: 12372679 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 4:12:21 AM | Posts: 16 | Images: 8

just a reminder; if you didn’t post something, then you didn’t post anything

Thread 12373790 Archived

Thread ID: 12373790 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 7:00:52 PM | Posts: 40 | Images: 6

i rly like transgirls because I find it really hot they used to be a cute boy but not anymore, they're locked into their force fem fetish for life and I wish I was them tbh I don't like when they star...

Thread 12375135 Archived

Thread ID: 12375135 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 7:43:46 AM | Posts: 7 | Images: 3

goodnight esfores, remember that macaroni + fried chicken is a combination that god personally invented in his heavenly laboratory

Thread 12375090 Archived

Thread ID: 12375090 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 6:53:21 AM | Posts: 4 | Images: 3

i found a bumblebee on the ground today he was very hote and tired so i put him on a table in the shade until he cooled off and flew away Your fortune: （　´_ゝ`）ﾌｰﾝ

Thread 12375242 Archived

Thread ID: 12375242 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 8:46:18 AM | Posts: 3 | Images: 1

is this the anime expo thread? Your fortune: Godly Luck

Thread 12375389 Archived

Thread ID: 12375389 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 9:43:24 AM | Posts: 1 | Images: 1

-0.25kg/day Your fortune: Good Luck

Thread 12373960 Archived

Thread ID: 12373960 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 8:36:47 PM | Posts: 4 | Images: 3

*notices your hambs*

Thread 12375370 Archived

Thread ID: 12375370 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 9:32:00 AM | Posts: 1 | Images: 1

Stand and Fight! Your fortune: Average Luck

Thread 12375295 Archived

Thread ID: 12375295 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 9:02:44 AM | Posts: 10 | Images: 6

i got hooked up with a girl she thought she was a fox and shit and i didnt question it, found it weird but it was very great sex mentaly ill girls are the best

. Archived

Thread ID: 12375276 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 8:55:31 AM | Posts: 1 | Images: 1

the red coats wear black now Your fortune: Outlook good

told you aliens were real Archived

Thread ID: 12375212 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 8:37:24 AM | Posts: 5 | Images: 2

OMG THIS IS GOING TO HAPPEN NOW!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA Archived

Thread ID: 12375136 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 7:44:28 AM | Posts: 3 | Images: 3

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VplyV3FKezQ&t=76s

Thread 12373732 Archived

Thread ID: 12373732 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 5:58:55 PM | Posts: 6 | Images: 3

Doodl every day (even if it sucks) Your fortune: Godly Luck

Thread 12374415 Archived

Thread ID: 12374415 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 11:58:00 PM | Posts: 8 | Images: 3

nobody gives a fuck about us might as well get drunk and high fuck it man

Thread 12375144 Archived

Thread ID: 12375144 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 7:53:19 AM | Posts: 13 | Images: 6

let's cook

Thread 12375176 Archived

Thread ID: 12375176 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 8:18:44 AM | Posts: 4 | Images: 1

i have the tightest butt of anyone on s4s Your fortune: Excellent Luck

beary pink/bury pink in Roblox Archived

Thread ID: 12373448 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 2:06:22 PM | Posts: 28 | Images: 18

does anyone know the name of this hair in roblox?

Thread 12372731 Archived

Thread ID: 12372731 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 4:34:36 AM | Posts: 15 | Images: 5

haiii welcome welcome welcome welcome so muchh to my thread! i luv u do u luv me too? do u love me? like.. love love me, u know, the type of love where u wanna.. hand me over some cold water,,, >~< AH...

Thread 12375124 Archived

Thread ID: 12375124 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 7:24:58 AM | Posts: 2 | Images: 2

censored cock thread

Thread 12375051 Archived

Thread ID: 12375051 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 6:21:52 AM | Posts: 4 | Images: 2

I have an agenda

A glimpse at the future Archived

Thread ID: 12373384 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 12:50:59 PM | Posts: 9 | Images: 4

In the future, technological progress will have made it possible to prevent puberty through genetic engineering, and thus, begins the era of boykind. The impetus for the cessation of puberty will be ...

Thread 12373535 Archived

Thread ID: 12373535 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 2:54:10 PM | Posts: 21 | Images: 2

Why do trans girls love kids so much?

Thread 12375104 Archived

Thread ID: 12375104 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 7:05:32 AM | Posts: 4 | Images: 3

fuck all of you right now Your fortune: Godly Luck

i made a really big poop Archived

Thread ID: 12375089 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 6:52:34 AM | Posts: 5 | Images: 1

it smelt

Thread 12374607 Archived

Thread ID: 12374607 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 1:32:15 AM | Posts: 2 | Images: 2

Gadzerino Pampino

Thread 12373702 Archived

Thread ID: 12373702 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 5:32:41 PM | Posts: 8 | Images: 2

i need to replace the batteries in my remote

Thread 12372882 Archived

Thread ID: 12372882 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 5:46:13 AM | Posts: 33 | Images: 10

recriminalise homosexuality

Thread 12374325 Archived

Thread ID: 12374325 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 11:25:47 PM | Posts: 5 | Images: 1

This guy I work with called and asked me to help him move some shit so I'm sitting here for an hour all dressed and he texts me "nvm found someone" like what the fuck why are people so gay Your fortu...

fortune Archived

Thread ID: 12373229 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 10:03:30 AM | Posts: 6 | Images: 1

fortune

Thread 12371093 Archived

Thread ID: 12371093 | Detected: 7/1/2025, 11:57:35 AM | Posts: 41 | Images: 10

My back hurts, what abt u?

Thread 12374520 Archived

Thread ID: 12374520 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 12:39:52 AM | Posts: 8 | Images: 4

Would you date her [s4s]?

Thread 12373029 Archived

Thread ID: 12373029 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 7:51:49 AM | Posts: 6 | Images: 1

Privacy is cumbersome

Thread 12374301 Archived

Thread ID: 12374301 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 11:14:54 PM | Posts: 9 | Images: 4

https://youtube.com/shorts/UO2yKl3RBLQ?si=lb7vxt2yoe1Oh3oN furry con panels are lame for the most part except shit like this Your fortune: Excellent Luck

Thread 12373063 Archived

Thread ID: 12373063 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 8:22:18 AM | Posts: 5 | Images: 2

https://youtu.be/P7vIT6ri8dM?feature=shared

Thread 12374922 Archived

Thread ID: 12374922 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 4:54:51 AM | Posts: 9 | Images: 3

Why do zoomers love plush dolls well into adulthood? Millennials stopped caring about them the second they entered high-school. The only Millennial women that still liked them into adulthood were the ...

Thread 12374471 Archived

Thread ID: 12374471 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 12:17:31 AM | Posts: 14 | Images: 1

i havent showered in 2 weeks yet my balls have a floral scent Your fortune: Good news will come to you by mail

Thread 12373759 Archived

Thread ID: 12373759 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 6:27:01 PM | Posts: 4 | Images: 1

Thread 12373279 Archived

Thread ID: 12373279 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 10:37:54 AM | Posts: 6 | Images: 2

Having sex in public restrooms causes AIDS and gonorrhea ଘ( ˊωˋ )ଓ

Thread 12374875 Archived

Thread ID: 12374875 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 4:14:45 AM | Posts: 13 | Images: 2

the internet made me hypersexual

I want to kms so badly Archived

Thread ID: 12374884 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 4:26:55 AM | Posts: 12 | Images: 2

I've failed two of the main courses of my career twice by now, and I'm already failing both of them once again. My uni is expensive as fuck, and I feel like a waste of money and time. I'm tired of ...

Thread 12374898 Archived

Thread ID: 12374898 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 4:39:02 AM | Posts: 3 | Images: 1

what a video

Thread 12374318 Archived

Thread ID: 12374318 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 11:22:16 PM | Posts: 6 | Images: 1

I suppose thou gents hath not preparedeth for such as of yet, however, thy descendants shall adore it.

Thread 12374136 Archived

Thread ID: 12374136 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 10:08:46 PM | Posts: 2 | Images: 1

When watching Seinfeld, I could finally Seinfeel again.

Thread 12374873 Archived

Thread ID: 12374873 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 4:10:37 AM | Posts: 6 | Images: 3

gugugu Your fortune: Reply hazy, try again

Thread 12374757 Archived

Thread ID: 12374757 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 3:08:19 AM | Posts: 4 | Images: 2

Fat Fuck

Thread 12374767 Archived

Thread ID: 12374767 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 3:11:56 AM | Posts: 6 | Images: 2

u now realize that hibachi spelled backwards is ihcabih. Your fortune: Very Bad Luck

hey tranny Archived

Thread ID: 12374844 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 3:53:17 AM | Posts: 11 | Images: 6

suck my dick you freak

Thread 12373296 Archived

Thread ID: 12373296 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 10:54:49 AM | Posts: 10 | Images: 5

Did I turn the oven off?

Thread 12372848 Archived

Thread ID: 12372848 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 5:30:01 AM | Posts: 19 | Images: 5

AAAAAAAAAAA

Thread 12374126 Archived

Thread ID: 12374126 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 10:03:42 PM | Posts: 3 | Images: 1

DAS ist nicht NAS DAS ist DAS!

Thread 12374209 Archived

Thread ID: 12374209 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 10:43:51 PM | Posts: 17 | Images: 5

Eating gas stations candy They are hard, maybe a little spicy

i hide all food threads Archived

Thread ID: 12374807 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 3:33:55 AM | Posts: 3 | Images: 3

the food you eat looks nasty

Thread 12373404 Archived

Thread ID: 12373404 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 1:20:38 PM | Posts: 5 | Images: 3

Can someone post the beary getting dildoed by the pepe?

Blocks your path Archived

Thread ID: 12374800 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 3:27:56 AM | Posts: 2 | Images: 1

Your fortune: Very Bad Luck

Thread 12374350 Archived

Thread ID: 12374350 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 11:35:24 PM | Posts: 10 | Images: 2

The year is already half over, have you reached your ideal weight yet? Your fortune: ｷﾀ━━━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━ !!!!

Thread 12374809 Archived

Thread ID: 12374809 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 3:37:17 AM | Posts: 1 | Images: 1

lived to waste another day

Thread 12374516 Archived

Thread ID: 12374516 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 12:35:14 AM | Posts: 21 | Images: 6

I was having a chat with some other creative types and one of them said something along the lines of "gen alpha art sucks" and then i revealed that I had added a skibidi refrence into one of the proje...

Thread 12373801 Archived

Thread ID: 12373801 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 7:23:36 PM | Posts: 41 | Images: 4

i want to fuck all my friends

Thread 12373947 Archived

Thread ID: 12373947 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 8:32:10 PM | Posts: 4 | Images: 1

Today, July 2nd we are closer to 2050 than we are to 2000. If you think it took a while to get here I can promise itll (feel like it) take more than less the time to get there. uhh I mean watch my dog...

Thread 12373821 Archived

Thread ID: 12373821 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 7:44:18 PM | Posts: 8 | Images: 4

Hi anone

Thread 12374603 Archived

Thread ID: 12374603 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 1:29:45 AM | Posts: 2 | Images: 2

i wanna be the serial killer Your fortune: Reply hazy, try again

Thread 12374548 Archived

Thread ID: 12374548 | Detected: 7/3/2025, 1:00:50 AM | Posts: 6 | Images: 4

*sucks you're dick*

Thread 12372966 Archived

Thread ID: 12372966 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 6:34:51 AM | Posts: 14 | Images: 3

HERRO ESU FORU ESU I AMU TOURISTO YOUR BOARD IS VERY VERY BIGGU HOW TO GET TO NICE THREAD? I DO NOT UNDERSTANDO YOU HERUPU ME LEARN ESU FORU ESU CULTURE?

Hi my friends on s4s I have a question Archived

Thread ID: 12371907 | Detected: 7/1/2025, 9:17:41 PM | Posts: 9 | Images: 2

What is this

Thread 12374414 Archived

Thread ID: 12374414 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 11:57:47 PM | Posts: 3 | Images: 1

Your fortune: Godly Luck

Thread 12373913 Archived

Thread ID: 12373913 | Detected: 7/2/2025, 8:18:37 PM | Posts: 3 | Images: 2

I have a little prediction or morsoe a premonition about our niceboard here, its going to be split between 2 factions: one group will believe that you need atleast 2 people in the creation process of ...