When did you realise that science is just applied statistics?

>>16601204 (OP)
When did you realize that applied statistics is a kind of geometry?

>>16601212
When did you realize that geometry is just applied Platonism?

>>16601204 (OP)
>>16601212
>>16601261
its all meta applied physics

It’s simpler than that. Science is literally just processes. Shit Happens. It’s not just a method to apply/employ, it’s very much the ‘music of the spheres’ situation where it will continue to play with or without ears to listen in on.

Science is as simple as repeatability, reproducibility, and all the nuances in between (not everything repeatable will reproduce the same result—and some things may only happen once).

There is -nothing- simpler. Stuff Runs.

>>16601204 (OP)
science isnt statistics, not in general, its very true in special cases like medicine. I heard doctors say that medical science isnt about logic but about statistics, they just do a lot of observations and see what works, the body is so comples than trying to reason causes and effects in that context often doesnt works, logic is just self delusion, observations are real.

>>16601291
>and some things may only happen once
We will never be able to reproduce the Big Bang bros….

>>16601291
>>16601301
The jokes made in the previous posts are flying completely over your heads. Look: the process of adapting a model to reality involves figuring out how one and the other are related and mathematics is a useful tool to visualize the structure of such relationships with symbols and shapes to as if to demonstrate how de demiurge has ordered the universe.

>>16601309
Ok

In science, 'theory' is pretty damn solid,
it's like a nuclear-powered supercarrier,
almost impossible to sink. To become a theory, it has to:

1) explain all observed phenomena

2) predict new phenomena

3) the predicted new phenomena has then been verified by testing

A 'theory' does all of (1)+(2)+(3), while 'hypothesis' is just (1)+(2).

The layman's use of the word 'theory', even in the best case, is about the same as the scientist's 'hypothesis'.
In most everyday use it is just (1), and often fails even that.

>>16601204 (OP)
It isn't. You're an idiot.

>>16601683
This is an undergraduate arts student's understanding of science. Reality is not that simple. The term theory gets thrown around for anything and everything. The way science actually works involves a lot more intuition and random bullshit and a lot less structure than people think.

>>16601286
Applied metaphysics or meta applied physics?

Mathematics is not downstream of physics in any capacity.

>>16601204 (OP)
When I was reading about Hume and the fact that all science, knowledge and human experience is inductive

>>16601291
Yep. Science is literally ‘fuck around, find out’, but pretentious science fags want it to be more speshul than that, even when there is nothing more special than perfect simplicity.

“If you can’t explain it simply enough, you don’t know it well enough”
“Things should be as simple as possible, but not simpler”
- Einstein and such

>>16601204 (OP)
When I learned what p-values are. Science is also just applied consensus.

>>16601896
FAFO still requires statistics unless its very reproducible and you get the same result every time. For weak effects you need large samples and statistics.

>>16601907
Doesn’t matter. At some point you can break everything down into perfect simplicity. Like how all religion leads back to simple artistic ignorance. Complexities of faith are irrelevant.

>>16601896
>‘fuck around, find out’
= (cor)relating, proportioning, structuring = mathematics. Let's fuck around and find out with water, shall we? Oh hey it's liquid at room temperature, solid when we cool it down and it becomes gas when we heat it up! Oh wow so that's how phase and temperature are (cor)related! We can even visualize it kinda like a triangle dude! Oh fuck it's every time too? Every time anyone on Earth heats water the water evaporates? Statistically speaking that's 100% correlation like it's causation man! Anyway fuck it let's try it both on sea level and on top of a mountain. Whaddayaknow different boiling points so there's relationships with pressure as well?

If only we didn't need to use so many clumsy words to describe all these fuck around and find out findings y'know. If only we could summarize, condense, visualize all the information in a neat little package to see how it all fits together by just look at it with a quick glance. Imagine instead of a wall of text we could describe the universe with only a few symbols, graphs and topology.
>Like mathematics?
>Noooo the universe is not mathematics it's fuck around find out scientific method hypotheses testing theory updating reeeeeeeeee!

>>16601919
a lot of things in medicine cant be described with symbols or explained with logic, they are just lists of things that happen. Medicine is infamous for having gigantic amounts of factoids and no coherent narrative to explain them

>>16601934
Help me understand because my model of medicine is like this:
>List of norm values
>Blood tests and imagery of sick patients demonstrate deviations from norm values
>Treatment brings deviations back to norm values and patient feels better
Seems like simple bookkeeping to me. The underlying theory is like this: body is a bunch of feedback loops where A stimulates B and B stimulates C but stimulating C causes inhibition of D and inhibition of D facilitates E and simultaneously inhibits F now the patient is sick because too much inhibited F so A must be inhibited but that causes too much inhibited B so maybe we should accept that as a side effect or choose to intervene at D but then...
...fuck it it's too complicated the patient has inflammation so pump the patient full of immunosuppressants. Case closed. Next.

Where am I wrong?

>>16601919
Mathematics is the purest science of all. Some say it’s too pure to be a science. I think both suffice.

“One plus one always equals two”
“Okay show me your theory for that”
“What?”
“What?”

>>16601945
That's not a unique problem with mathematics but with all language. All reason starts from axioms. Besides there's the structuralist versus essentialist debate. How can a biologist prove that a cat is a cat? Is it not a cat anymore when we cut its tail, whiskers and legs? That's sophistry. The fundament of all knowledge is very simple: even before any thoughts arise there are shapes and colors and sounds and all the rest. There are things to discern, this, that and the other. Next we put words on these discernments: this = boob, that = cat, such = Firefox and so on. Now we have our axioms. The next step in knowing is how the things we have discerned and labeled are related to eachother. That's all we're doing all day every day: discerning things, measuring things, comparing measurements of things. We are all born mathematicians. Ask a woman and she'll tell you exactly the status of everyone in her social circle. That's her way of doing mathematics. Ask a biology about the functioning of an ecosystem: the word system should already reveal to you that the biologist way of understanding how all life forms relate to eachother is again another form of mathematics. All is mathematics.

>>16601962
That cat is going to suffocate

>>16601697
Very informative and scientific. I guess you like the idea of over9000 genders

>>16601940
>Blood tests and imagery of sick patients
Doesnt serve to diagnose most ailments. Why blood? Just because its easy to draw some? Some science!
>>16601940
>Treatment brings deviations
Except you are only treating some symptom.
Pseudo logc (delusion) is leading you astray. Too complex for anyone to understand. Too hard to see whats actually happening to a patient (blood test lmao).
The body cannot be understood with a model, you just have to remember 6 billion independent facts.

>>16602182
I've described how medicine is currently practiced. You're describing that current practice of medicine is not adequate. There's no disagreement. The bigger picture is that all work is "management" now. All management is about closing the gap between the actual and the ideal in a measurable way. If you don't like this approach then you must propose an alternative that is more efficient and effective so that your alternative outcompetes the status quo. As long as you can't you will see that all jobs will become increasingly mathematical.

>>16601962
Cool picture, I remember good old days

>>16601919
>Noooo the universe is not mathematics it's fuck around find out
It’s both, though? Things run, things progress, everything is/has a process to it, and you absolutely cannot separate math from this. Even an absolute nothing—a zero—is a one by such a point. Math goes along with *anything*. It’s the *shape* things take. There will always be quantification. The idea that everything is math suffices.

>>16604004
It seems to me that most people even the more intelligent and competent ones don't build a structure in their head of how everything and everyone relates to eachother. The result is:
>the operation was successful but the patient died.

>>16601212
What? No

>>16604124
>What? No
Yes Luke. The stock market has been analyzed with fractals. Biological structures? Fractals. Coastal geography? Fractals. Weather and climate patterns? Fractals. Now join the Triforce Luke.

>>16601204 (OP)
I have told you hack psueds this for a decade

>>16601204 (OP)
Statistics is just nothing but extending science to cope with uncertainty.

>>16604485
Or science is a contraction to feign certainty.

>>16604027
Yeah. “It’s math!” “No, it’s science!” “ackchually, itsh all the same thing...”.

I never understood why mathematicians and physicists don’t get along, when both are incorporating the other.

>>16605061
Scientists are the biggest and most pretentious and most chin raising snobs imaginable, even to their own. You think execution by sword is bad? Watch your entire life be written away by a pen.

>>16601204 (OP)
Got told first. "Math isn't useful until it is."
Thennnnn had to reach that wittle tiny truth for myself

>>16605067
Math will always be useful. It’s magic that will always exist. It’s like divination, but a lot more specific. It will predict how well a house can be built, etc.

>>16605318
>It’s like divination, but a lot more specific.
That's exactly the problem that will make autists and schizos yell at eachother in many more threads to come. Is it ontologically and epistemologically possible to develop a mathematics that is indiscernible from unconditional precognition?

>>16601204 (OP)
Science is applied statistics.
Statistics is applied maths.
Maths is applied logic.
Logic is applied philosophy.

>>16605437
Yep, it all loops around.

Philosophy/psychology is applied biology which is applied chemistry which is applied physics which is applied philosophy/psychology. The mind they pokes at nature is first formed by nature.

Metaphysics is just mega physics. Math goes along with everything. Inseparable.

>>16605318
It’s the same with magic and religion. It’s all just a product of the mind’s eye. It is all exposure logic. A black box that is white within—there is no bigger black box than the deep black abyss that is space/life.

There is only one set of Truths out there. Everything else is not that, or a product of ignorance, the imagination, religion, etc.

It’s scary to see ignorance outnumbering Truth. You can interpret stars in any way you wish, like the ancients did, forming faith.

Science—natural philosophy—at least *aims* to be honest, and not dishonest like theistic philosophy: where faith is seen as equal to truth (a paradox).

Only faith in the Truth has truth, as faith does not require truth.

I find phrases like “it’s magic! we cannot explain it!” ironic when science is, in theory, Truth. So how is empirical science not True magic? The Truth to it? I don’t consider magic (“magic”) to be purely a matter of ignorance, since there is still wonder (not the “I wonder…” wonder) in knowing a thing for True. To appreciate. “It’s wonderful!”. A chemist is in his right to see chemistry as magic.

But, I still concede that, if mystery and wonder (“I wonder…”), horror or dissent, etc, lead up to “magic”, then ignorance is the greatest magic of all, and ignorance is surely a form of art.

The universe—existence itself—is both a stage and a magician. What do physicists say when they confront something new?

— “Hmm, that’s weird, I wonder how it did that…” Does this not sound familiar?

Physicists are not only in denial about philosophy, they are in denial about the magic/mystery all around them.

>>16605500
>the mind they pokes at
the mind that* pokes at

>>16605500
Theists don’t want to acknowledge that God is an alien. Atheists don’t want to acknowledge that aliens can be worshiped as gods.

>Science is applied statistics.
Okay.
>Statistics is applied maths.
Sure.
>Maths is applied logic.
No doubt.
>Logic is applied philosophy.
NANI THE FUCK HERE BE DRAGONS.
>Philosophy/psychology is applied biology
Okay.
>which is applied chemistry
Sure.
>which is applied physics
No doubt.
>which is applied philosophy/psychology
NANI THE FUCK HERE BE DRAGONS.
>The mind that pokes at nature is first formed by nature.
Okay.
>Metaphysics is just mega physics. Math goes along with everything. Inseparable.
Sure.
>It’s the same with magic and religion. It’s all just a product of the mind’s eye.
No doubt.
>It is all exposure logic. A black box that is white within—there is no bigger black box than the deep black abyss that is space/life.
NANI THE FUCK HERE BE DRAGONS.


What kind of algorithm is this?

>>16605535
>nani
kys

>>16601204 (OP)
(Math/philosophy(statistics(testing(Natural law/phenomena))))

>>16607092
Omae wa mou shindeiru.

>>16601683
>almost impossible to sink
Sterling powered conventional subs would like to have some torpedoes with you.

>>16607092
爆発しろ

>>16607092
welcome to 4chan

Not entirely, but statistics is pretty important!

>>16605500
What caused this split? Why is philosophy hated now?

>>16608885
Lapses in memory, mostly. Modern day nerds think science has no philosophy - they act like it doesn’t stem from (natural) philosophy. They don’t realize that they can’t avoid taking philosophical positions whenever they do a theoretical or philosophical anything.

>>16608961
With just a quick glance at any other department of university a scientist can easily see the unproductiveness of any other kind of epistemology and/or ontology.

>>16609012
Doesn’t matter. Nerds who say “philosophy is dead” are dead wrong. It’s (philosophy) updating itself. Natural philosophy won and now you can only resort to more faceted philosophies within it. Stick to what we know for certain, and keep everything outside of that hypothetical/philosophical. People want more in life not realizing that nature is all there is.

>>16601204 (OP)
My first quantum mechanics course in college

>>16604137
TA is less accurate than astrology nigga

>>16609224
>People want more in life not realizing that nature is all there is.
Truest words

>>16609258
Holy kek

>>16604124
Arithmetics, and by extensions all of math, is just applied geometry.
You actually see numbers floating out there? No. There is only geometry.

>>16601212
>>16601204 (OP)
>>16601261
>>16601286
When you realize the foundations are all axiomatic.

>>16601713
That's more a statement of how little we know rather than a critic of our method of knowing. Our biggest geniuses were borderline mystics (à la Tesla), so there's that too.

Everything is Art.

>>16613950
Art is accidentally doing mathematics while pretending not to.

>>16613960
Math is art. The Art.

>>16601204 (OP)
Science and Art and Math is all there is.

>>16608885
Getting high on your own farts will do that to you.

>>16613950
>>16613960
>>16614489
>>16615706
>muh purist logic

>>16616831
If something is not pure then it is impure like stained, polluted, filthy, muddy, cloudy and such.

>>16616831
“If you can’t explain it simply enough, you don’t know it well enough” - Einstein

>>16615706
Elaborate

>>16615706
Science and Math is essentially the same thing, Empiricism. Art is Idealism.
So yes, reproducing what has been, and exploring what could be, is all there is.

>>16618869
>String theory is empiricism
>The scream is idealism
No it's all proportions and relations. All of it.

>>16601204 (OP)
What doesn't work doesn't get implemented, so it's bullshit. Instead of devaluing "applied", be grateful for it. Look at pure mathematics. It serves no purpose. It's meaningless. Be grateful for applied mathematics, because real breakthroughs come from fixing the flaws in implementation.

>>16619745
>Your intelligence should be instrumental to the needs and wants of the masses!

>>16619790
*humanity

>>16620966
And who or what decides what is for the greater good of humanity? Funding. Politics. Power. Biological programming. Social conditioning. Just look at the current degenerate state of the internet: that's the result of valuing "applied" science.

>>16620997
>Complains about the internet, which is the most applied math thing imaginable

>>16601204 (OP)
>inferring applied is cannot particle

Not /sci/ enough, out

>lov u
>rmmbrme

>>16619790
You can always live in the jungle and stop exploiting the civilized services of society if you have nothing to contribute.

>>16621732
>Applied math destroyed society with porn, memes and remote communication...
>...and that's good because...BECAUSE OKAY?
No that's not okay.

>>16621744
>University pays for pure math and theoretical science
>Do what university pays for
>STOP EXPLOITING
What? Perhaps consider that value depends on time, place and culture.

>>16615706
>>16618869
Math is Art. It is Beauty.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVxtz50fmMg

>>16621753
>Yeah, I will ignore anything good about internet like porn and social media
>Critical Thinking? What is that? I can think only in abstrakt numbers

>>16601204 (OP)
Always has been

>>16601204 (OP)
Everything is information.

Life, intelligence, is the universe looking at itself. As cheesy as it sounds, I agree with this statement.

>>16601204 (OP)
It's all style

>>16601204 (OP)
It's all 1s and 0s

>>16601896
Things happen because they can.
Now, the question is "why they can happen" and why something else doesn't happen instead, like in decay of some very long lived "metastable" isotopes which tend to be more stable than their ground states. Some of them have half-lifes longer than current lifetime of the Universe.

>>16628264
>Things happen because they can.
Yes. Shit Happens. So it is.

>>16628151
nope, not the other way around

>>16628151
Everything is zero

>>16628151
>>16629407
>>16629789
Things either are, or aren't. They do, or don't.

>>16630838
How does your binary worldview explain fuzziness and ambiguity?

>>16630866
Everything everywhere, everywhen, is happening all at once.

>>16627105
Shut the fuck up

>>16632757
he didnt say anything wrong doe

>>16632757
Why are you so mad

>>16601204 (OP)
>science is just applied statistics
it ain't

It's honestly just applied politics.

>>16634040
Physics is politics?

I love it when retards say "x is just y"

>>16601204 (OP)
I think statistics are the most important aspect of science, but I don't think that science is just statistics.

>>16634879
It's fine to say it, I just (heh) hate the "it's just" part. Just because we can deconstruct the magic doesn't mean it's no longer magic.

>>16634879
You just said it lol.

>dur dur dur i post dumb frogs dur dur dur

>>16604124
Correlation coefficient is just the cosine of the angle between column vectors

>>16604124
>>16635626
Also the mean is the 1 dimensional centroid of the dataset, and the least-squares regression line for n points is the unique linear configuration of points whose distance from the data set is smallest in Rn

>>16601204 (OP)
Well why wouldn't it be that?

Everything is 1s and 0s

>>16601204 (OP)
Just now. Holy shit, you're right!

>>16638436
l i e s

>>16601291
This. Causality. Cause-and-effect.

>>16601291
>*uses my unique human consciousness which exists outside of deterministic spacetime to spontaneously alter your system*
Heh.. nothing personnel, kid

>>16601204 (OP)
Why wouldn't it be?

>>16601204 (OP)
When did you realise that you are a midwit faggot?

>>16634879
But there will always be a "it's just x or y" explanation to something. Even a soul will have essential parts to it.

2000 years ago

These days, science is just applied evil

>>16601204 (OP)
ugghhh......

>>16601204 (OP)
"If your experiment requires a statistician, you need a better experiment" - Ernest Rutherford, 1908 Nobel Laureate Chemistry

>>16605500
Based post, if schizo-esque.

>>16641796
What evil?

>>16643575
You can't see it?

>>16644442
Evil is subjective.

>>16645589
I still believe there is base good and base evil. Sort of. Kind of.

>>16601204 (OP)
always has been so

Everything is math.

We live in statistics

>>16635618
Kill yourself homo

It's all turtles

I mean, everything can be broken down…

>>16654005
This. Faggots hard compartmentalizations.

>>16650743
Yes

>>16653116
I like turtles.

>>16612192
Axioms are empirial in nature

I mean…

>>16627105
Fuck that's a nice picture

i have an answer to this but fuck you

>>16601204 (OP)
When did you realize that realise means you have real lice?

Nice thread, some cool takes in here.

My thoughts: science is applied statistics because at some point humanity demanded consensus. That’s not all bad, I like looking at a high r value even though it doesn’t actually mean anything.

Science these days is on its way out. I truly believe building a machine that can solve the mysteries of life is superior to trying to solve them ourselves at this point.

Once the machines take control, we may very well realize that we can’t understand the theory of everything. That would suck, to put it bluntly.

Then, the machines will probably get rid of us. Sucks to suck. I certainly think this is an impetus to put science on the back burner: try to make meaningful friendships and connections, and satisfy the other urges of man.

was 14 years old

>>16662053
Source?

>>16601212
when did you realize probability function is just market trading?

>>16609012
hello? formal ontology, ontology of information science, systems thinking?

>>16642341
Oxymoron

>>16662669
Based shizo

Uhhhhh

>>16638436
Prove it mathematically

Dumb frog thread

>>16669580
Tru

>>16670466
// Pen Body
Length L = 14 cm
Radius r = 0.6 cm
Volume V_body = π × r2 × L
≈ π × (0.6)2 × 14
≈ 15.8 cm3

// Ink Cartridge
Length l = 10 cm
Radius r_ink = 0.2 cm
Volume V_ink = π × r_ink2 × l
≈ π × (0.2)2 × 10
≈ 1.26 cm3

// Total Volume Ratio
Ink/Body Ratio = V_ink / V_body
≈ 1.26 / 15.8 ≈ 0.08

Everything can be put into numbers, even in ways we haven’t figured out yet.

>>16601204 (OP)
When did you realise that humans are just bio robots?

>>16601291
That shit happens at all means probabilistic cunts can get bent.

>>16621744
Only an assmad jew responds like this lol

>>16678097
You are Jewish

>>16678925
>all Jews hate themselves
So just like white people

I'm white

Mental health

Mental illness

I’m black

>>16681063
>>16681075
>>16682595
>>16684312
what is this even

>>16601204 (OP)
.

>>16686623
.

>>16601204 (OP)
Because it is?

The best you can get in any situation is a probabilistic model.

Theres so many variables in what occurs around us and inside of us that you'll never get absolute perfect future predictivity. This is actually a good thing.

>>16601204 (OP)
because

>>16601778
math is downstream of reality

Hmmmm

>>16693027
Hmmm

>>16601204 (OP)
statistics is just applied thermodynamics

>>16693027
>>16694172
Hm?

>>16694184
How will you justify this?

>>16601204 (OP)
idk

>>16662053
lol you’re so funny

>>16691941
Yes, it goes
reality -> math -> shit in a sinkhole -> physics

>>16601204 (OP)
Dumb frogposter

>>16698813
Disproce him

>>16698813
Cringe. Frogs are 4chan animal.

>>16698813
Frog board.

>>16698813
You are stupid retard

>>16601204 (OP)
Simpler and simpler things.

Statistics is just applied inductive logic.

>>16705831
Inductive logic is just applied type theory

Modern science is just statistics + grant writing + academic clout-chasing. Nothing more. If it can't be reproduced outside a paywalled journal, it isn't science.

>>16706629
This is just sad.

>>16601204 (OP)
A can of beans.

>>16706629
Beautiful

>>16601204 (OP)
Everything can be deconstructed. Even religion. It's beautiful, really.

I'm yellow

>>16711408
That’s called jaundice.

When did you realize that pee is stored in the balls

>>16601204 (OP)
I am surprised no one just whipped out that XKCD comic by now.

>>16601204 (OP)
When I actually understood what science is

>>16713163
Science, simultaneously a process to apply as well as information-that-is, yes. The music of the spheres plays its song, its symphony, with or without our notice.