Do people really think that biological variance just stops once it reaches the brain? Isn’t this dangerous logic?

>>16674907 (OP)
>dangerous logic
>logic
We both know it isn't logic.

Denying that the brain has real variance is kind of like denying that Chinese are lactose intolerant.

>>16674937
lol

Yes humans are like unicorns

>>16674907 (OP)
Well, it does stop at 99% of the complexity of the human body. It's not like black people have different DNA replication machinery from chinese people.

>>16679762
The brain is arguably the most complex part of the body. Psychology remains a soft science.

Most E. Asians are lactose intolerant. It’s not far fetched to assume they’re different in the head, too.

>>16680553
they aren't, we're all equal

>>16680626
>herp derp

>>16680626
Preach it sister

>>16680553
E Asians are lactose intolerant for cultural reasons. If you stop eating milk products, you become lactose intolerant.

>>16680626
Trolling?

>>16674907 (OP)
So why hasn't biological variance reached the number of fingers or hands or heads that humans have? By your logic, there should be numerous variety of multiheaded humans.

>>16674907 (OP)
It's funny ain't it

>>16681611
most retarded opinion ever

>>16683621
it's literally how it works. You too can be lactose intolerant if you eat zero dairy for two months. The competing intestinal flora wipe out the bacteria that can process it if you don't feed them.

>>16681623
50,000 years isn't long enough to completely speciate. If we'd have been geologically separated for 500,000 years instead you'd see a lot more difference.

>>16674907 (OP)
Did you grow up in a cave? Of course people's brains vary. Even as school kids. Some can't remember yesterday's lesson. Some can't even catch a fast moving ball.

>>16683868
It goes deeper than that. They become lactose intolerant very early in childhood. Practically as babies.

>>16674907 (OP)
Uh...uh....ummm...JUST STOP ASKING QUESTIONS YOU FUCKING NAZI BIGOT!!!

>>16685126
imma nigga

>>16685122
I am an east asian and I've been chugging 4L milk jug every week for the last few years without any side effect. many east asian babies drink breast milk from their mother till they're 2-3. you're literally making shit up.

>>16674907 (OP)
problem is you kinda have to tell that lie after inviting every corner of the world to your home and forcing them to live in your neighborhoods. progressives aren't wrong in that, among the common folk at least (though probably among the rich as well these days considering racial quotas), ethnic tension will break out if inequality is publicly recognized as a reality. to actually fix this problem, new governments would have to quietly deal with it, whether through repatriation, separation, or both.

>>16685177
That means you’re an outlier.

>>16685177
— Lactose intolerance is extremely common among East Asian populations, with studies showing that between 70% and 100% of people of East Asian descent are lactose intolerant. This figure is significantly higher than the global average of around 65%

>>16685175
LGBTQ-aligned?

>>16674907 (OP)
The goose is loose.

Yes
>>16684599

>>16681623
New organs >< performance of existing organs
The former is derived from change in environmental pressure, the latter is merely optimization of the process.

>>16674907 (OP)
>Do people really think that biological variance just stops
No, but tangible brain things show factually stronger correlation with developmental factors, unless the brains in question are genetically straight up broken (massive developmental disorders). Hence the utility of IQ - it's only good for formally filtering out legit brain damaged cases en masse, like in military draft.

Essentially software matters much more than hardware for all cerebral shit. A good program runs pretty much the same on next-gen and last-gen biological CPUs, and even the best CPU evar can't contribute shit if runs on garbage software. That's why historically greater involvement of intelligence in a society always required wider and better education, not incestuous breeding programs. If it was the opposite, Hapsburgs and ither inbreds would dunk on everyone. Instead they got teabagged by soil tillers figuring out how to build and reload muskets.

>>16681623
>derp derp im retarded herp derp

>>16687571
The software is more like firmware, not to mention personality and predispositions, and it's still genetic, and the Hapsburgs where not breeding for intelligence, health or even any trait maximizationin particular. They where trying to maintain ownership of property.

Go make retarded half-baked strawmen elsewhere.

The brain accounts for like 90% of genetix variance between individuals in its expression. Like you don't have genes coding for three legs, but you have genes coding for being unable to understand 2 + 2

>>16674907 (OP)
>no biological variance for general intelligence
>but also making high IQ designer babies is bad
Really makes you think

>>16674937
Lmao

>>16674907 (OP)
>Smartphones do vary
Sure.
>Therefore basic apps function noticeably different depending on the platform.
No.

Neuroscientists agree that IQ is not sufficient for studying human intelligence as human intelligence is multi-dimensional and not yet fully understood. To take something that complex and plot it on a two-dimensional line is dangerously reductive.

>>16691160
Dangerously?

>>16691161

Yes, it is dangerous to dehumanize another human being due to perceived biological differences to justify slavery, genocide, and cruel human experimentation.

>>16687571

>military draft

What about a euthanasia program?

Or some sort of eugenic policy?

Now you see what I mean.

>>16691170

There is a long history of science using theories of intelligence to justify atrocities against the innocent.

>>16691170
So? Both of your critiques (modeling complexity models the assumptions more than the data, treating people who aren't acting as groups as groups is bad) are valid, in my opinion, but distinct and uncorrelated.
>>16691172
There's a long history of using anything and everything to justify atrocities against the innocent.

>>16674907 (OP)
IQ is based on the idea that intelligence is based on one "g factor" where all cognitive tasks correlate. If one believes in multiple intelligences they both disbelieve IQ and believe in brain variance at the same time, making your post a strawman argument.

>>16674907 (OP)
people with enough genetic difference to be retarded exist and are called retards

No, like a lot of mainstream beliefs it's pro social, not factual. Once you accept the average person will always (and should!) hold pro social beliefs over factual ones, you'll stop sperging.

>>16685244
>global average of around 65%
asia is about 65% of the population so I guess it checks out.
I met at most 10 people in my life who were lactose intolerant

>>16692007
Nope. We’re all the same, chud.

>>16691998
>did not mention MI
>well you're strawmaning MI
Also, when he says "biological" I'm 95% sure he means genetic.

>>16674907 (OP)
Social theory goes on >>>/his/ or maybe instagram or tumblr

>>16691160
Intelligence isn't "general psychological profile" or "/capability". It's intelligence. It pretty much, to 80% is a single thing. There are, besides those whateverpercent% left, no "other intelligences". https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-general-intelligence-2795210

>>16691160
>10/10 Neuroscientists agree
Citation much?
>human intelligence is multi-dimensional and not yet fully understood
What is fully understood in science???
>IQ is not sufficient for studying human intelligence
Says who, you? BTW intelligence is DEFINED as the positive-manifold.
To be clear Howard Gardner's theory is:
>Not used by professionals
>Not statistical; not supported by statistical studies
>Not predictive (of life outcomes health, SES...etc)
>Just bibliographies of individuals he claims had >90% IQ
>MAJORITY of papers published on MI show MI to be untrue
> Howard himself claims MI to be a tool to grab attention from the public

>>16694647

>>16691160

>>16694647

Plenty of things are fully understood in science, such as the basic laws of motion.

Human intelligence is not fully understood, I am not quoting a specific theory, am simply asserting the fact that human intelligence is not something we fully understand and so plotting it to a two dimensional metric is reductive.

I have scored very high on intelligence tests, it would definitely suit my ego to assert that they are definitive, but the reality is that much of the human brain remains a mystery.

>>16694660
>much of the human brain remains a mystery.
I 100% agree, but IQ (which measures g) is a psychometric phenomenon; g is unitary at the psychometric level.
>Human intelligence is not fully understood
I also agree, but intelligence (just like everything else in science) is probabilistic, it's also probably certain.

p.s. correlations between tests: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_intelligence#Cognitive_ability_testing (they all load on a common factor)

>>16674907 (OP)
No, they just pretend to think that.

Idk

Shut the fuck up you dumb fucking duck

>>16674907 (OP)
True, the question is how variance between groups compares to variance within groups.

>>16697308
Honk Honk

Lol

>>16691170
>Yes, it is dangerous to dehumanize another human being due to perceived biological differences
Then... just don't do that part? You're driving from point A to C here.

>>16699314
>these coal skinned aboriginals aren’t the brightest… lying down on the road like that… waiting to be hit by a coming car…
>ARE YOU SAYING YOU HATE THEM
>no I’m saying they’re silly

>>16674907 (OP)
Intelligence disparity is a big problem.
There's the normal academic viewpoint, which is wrong, but goes something like ""all human brains work the same way but some just work more efficiently, maybe others are neurodivergent"" like a neurotypical engineer and a career whore would ever approach the same problem the same way.
What really matters in society is wealth or income, and that's almost always equated with intelligence (at least with stupid people) because who in their right mind would spend years on something intellectual that doesn't yield any career potential? Studies claim getting rich is more luck based, but with a little bit of confidence someone who displays wealth will be assumed to be intelligent, all they have to do is act in a refined way.
And of course it's easy to notice if someone is more stupid than you, but you have to really notice if someone is a lot smarter than you, unless there's some mentor power dynamic where that's the whole context.
And it takes more than intelligence to get ahead in society. "Oh fuckhead is so smart why doesn't he work hard?" Well maybe character is more than just one metric.

>>16699328
NTA but what is this supposed to mean or hint at or relate to?

>>16699340
When a white man points out how lacking in cognitive function certain groups are, it is immediately interpreted as “so you just hate them, and think they’re inferior”, and I’m all like “not necessarily?”.

These people always lean back and say “so you just X or Y eh?”, as though they had nothing else to posit.

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/bIdhFz3gsoA

>>16674907 (OP)
The true answers is it doesn't matter. Because all results will be tainted and self serving. It's also the height of midwit arrogance to think that humans can accurately quantify all aspects of the human mind.

There is more variation within groups than there is across groups. Y'all just racist.

>>16699348
They're both being disingenuous desu

>>16699372
He might be being disingenuous but he’s nowhere near as disingenuous as that cow.

>>16699314
>Then... just don't do that part? You're driving from point A to C here.

What comes after B? You think people will just --stop-- all of a sudden at B? You are seriously just as retarded and stunted as the people you look down upon. Do you understand that? ...srs qyestion. Do you understand that you are mentally stunted to not naturally and intuitively get this?

>>16699372
How can you possibly know that? It's just as likely that neither of them are being disingenuous. The difference is that only one of them is hallucinating an interpretive critical framework on to the other, as one is trained to do in the fictional realm of art, literature, etc.

>>16699393
What's the weird ABC code you two are carrying on about? Like what are points A, B, and C supposed to be? I generally find arguments of the form
>if you cut the ends of your toenails off, you think you'll just stop without ripping your toenails out, then cutting off your feet, then your legs?
to be really, really stupid.

>>16674907 (OP)
The mind is like a muscle, you have to exercise it, train it, and feed it for it to be strong. It is unlike a muscle in that it's function is far more complicated than contracting with a measurable amount of force.
Different people will exercise differently, some not at all, and choose (or have access to) better nutrients. We tell people that if they want to be stronger that they can adjust these parts of their lifestyle. Why, then, do you not say the same thing about intelligence, and instead try to summarize it within these supposedly immutable and intrinsic quantities? Isn't that dangerous logic?
This is how you can accept biological variance and also reject attempts at the absolute measurement of intelligence. The latter is just idealistic nonsense anyway.

>>16699420
That is really really stupid. Truly. Because it's a false equivalency by which you either already know and are a massive faggot or you don't know and you're a retard.

>>16699480
Equivalency to what? The letters ABC? If you don't say what A, B, and C are, there's no way to even form an opinion about the equivalency, let alone judge it true or false. So, yes, we both agree that your argument as it stands is really, really stupid.

>>16699484
>Equivalency to what?

>Explaining basic human instincts to an autist

You are clearly autistic and way out of your depth here. I'm not going to bother explaining something to someone who does not have the facilities to comprehend it. It's like trying to teach katate to a goldfish. A goldfish could never do karate even if it could understand it because they don't have arms. So it would be doubly futile. The same as trying to explain the false equivalency in comparing the basic human instincts of separating others to the non-existent instinct of wanting to cut off ones own feet. The fact that you even asked the question means you are autistic. Maybe this is a revelation maybe you have already been diagnosed. But even then you still would not be able to comprehend or see the dangers of having an autist in charge discerning, applying value to and discerning the vast and various elements of the human mind.

>>16699484 #
>Equivalency to what?

>Explaining basic human instincts to an autist

You are clearly autistic and way out of your depth here. I'm not going to bother explaining something to someone who does not have the facilities to comprehend it. It's like trying to teach katate to a goldfish. A goldfish could never do karate even if it could understand it because they don't have arms. So it would be doubly futile. The same as trying to explain the false equivalency in comparing the basic human instincts of separating others to the non-existent instinct of wanting to cut off ones own feet. The fact that you even asked the question means you are autistic. Maybe this is a revelation maybe you have already been diagnosed. But even then you still would not be able to comprehend or see the dangers of having an autist in charge discerning and applying value to the vast and various elements of the human mind.

>>16699560
All those words to say nothing lol

What?

>>16700786
What’s so confusing?

>>16674907 (OP)
Duck.

>>16674907 (OP)
ecksdee

>>16706778
cute

>>16706778
duckee :))

I'm a giga brain giga chad ama

>>16709895
Im the one thats smarter

>>16709898
it's a room of 1000 people though

honk

>>16674907 (OP)
funny enough, i just posted this in another thread:
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10773238/

>>16681623
had we allowed the indians to keep on indianing, you would have seen exactly that.
https://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/mysterious-extra-fingers-and-toes-pueblo-people-chaco-canyon-006350
regression to the mean wouldn't apply, since in this culture the six fingers was seen as a positive, rather than a defect. it can be assumed that the six-fingered man would have gotten more bitches, which is why the pueblos were beginning to diverge before we rightfully put an end to it.

>>16674937
Yeah, because the Chinese don’t drink milk. It’s some racist internet meme based on trash publication.

>>16710750
>Yeah, because the Chinese don’t drink milk.
yeah, because they're lactose intolerant.

>>16710750
>the Chinese don’t drink milk
False, there is new research as of late 2022 showing that they do.
doi.org/10.1038/d41586-022-03722-4

>>16710766
i think you may have misinterpreted what they were advertising. CHINK is the name of the company, it doesn't mean that chinese people were caught drinking milk.

The brain is wider than the sky.

>>16674907 (OP)
This is baby noticing level. Wait til you discover biologists are using genetic shenanigans to separate out and name "new species" that if you used on humans would result in HUNDREDS of species.

>>16681623
It has imbecile. Hox genes.
Genetics influencing intelligence and behaviour is an undebatable truth.
You can only say the genetic variance for head/finger number has evolved to be low in humans. Low variance makes sense because having varying number of heads isn’t likely to change adaptability for the varying environments humans inhabit.
The same can’t be said for intelligence or behaviour. The optimal level of intelligence and type of behaviour which is best for a particular environment varies. Humans are found in these varying environments so it’s reasonable to expect high genetic variance on intelligence and behaviour.

>>16699560
You explained the leftist instinct. Normal people don’t automatically want to kill someone for being less intelligent. The iq argument is meant to make you think “hmm maybe we should stop trying to force everyone to be equal while harassing and demonising one group of people for being generally successful”

>>16699393
Your complaint of eugenics falls on governments using violence.
The solution is to be against govt violence.
But you will never take that position because it conflicts with your other leftist beliefs.

>>16683868
I became lactose intolerant at 26 while drinking milk every day in cereal...

>>16713143
Wow its almost like diseases have both genetic and environmental influences

>>16712811
>having varying number of heads isn’t likely to change adaptability for the
Why not, you retarded dumbfuck? Are you too stupid to imagine utilizing two functioning brains? It must be hard for you to survive while being a braindead, mouthbreathing, drooling shitbag.

>>16713149
>It must be hard for you to survive while being a braindead, mouthbreathing, drooling shitbag.
Luckily we spent centuries making sure that these subhumans not only do survive, but even procreate successfully.

>>16713105
And who's going to enforce that government uses no violence? And how exactly?

>>16713506
>Luckily we spent centuries making sure that these subhumans not only do survive, but even procreate successfully.
It's worse now, we actively suvsidise their procreation at the expense of the productive population.

pol retards should learn basic history.

Nobody denies there's biological intelligence diferences.

It simply is a better MORAL solution to simply declare all humans to have the same intelligence potential and make ILEGAL to research the racial component of inteligence.

That's what happens when the people pushing for the study of racial diferences in intelligence also tend to push for political stuff that ended up in 70-100 million death europeans between 1910-1960.

Some non scientific behaviours are better to have, like making illegal all research on racial diferences in the brain and mind.

Because humans are stupid and we already got 50 millions killed for those ideas.

>>16713534
You will never be human, nigger.

>>16713528
Their? You mean 'my', degenerate subhuman filth

>>16713528
Without eugenics, technology naturally degrades a society's genetics.
>>16713534
Without intervention, society runs out of individuals smart enough to contribute maintenance of technology. Infrastructure crumbles, leading to food supply collapse, this kills the society.

Preventing eugenics being discussed prevents civilization being saved. You're offering more evidence that the left wing is civilizational poison.
> 70-100 million death
>Conflating communists planning society around their assumptions of man’s equality, with hitler using foreign ethnic groups as scapegoats for prior german government failures in a tenuously eugenics related leftist government program.
Eugenics doesn’t require killing people, or even violating consent.
Your gripe should be with governments being violent to their citizens, but if you held that position you would have to give up your leftist idea that government must keep us all the same.

>>16713819
Eugenics was tried by the nazis, and they loved to do shit like force women to get pregnant and also they loved to do shit like kill the undesirables.

There's not point in keeping undesirables to consume the resources of the state and take resources from the more genetically blessed.

So you end up again in making a goverment where the undesirables are killed.
And then you repeat the nazi state and 70 million white people dead.

>>16713825
> There's not point in keeping undesirables to consume the resources of the state and take resources from the more genetically blessed.
Why not just remove welfare?
Taxes ought to be for military and police, keep it to that and you’ve got less dysgenic redistribution.

>>16713830
and how do you avoid a french/comunist revolution when the farmers are starving because of capitalist tendency to remove productive jobs from the american population?

Do pol chuds even read history and pretend their clearly original ideas they saw in anime wasn't tried between 17-20 century in europe?

>>16713825
> So you end up again in making a goverment where the undesirables are killed.
>were taxing superior people and giving it to inferiors. Stop taxes and cut welfare? No, the only way is to kill everyone, my hand is forced.
Deranged leftist mindset. Same kind that thinks we’re equal and evidence to the contrary should be stamped out by the state.

>>16713833
> and how do you avoid a french/comunist revolution when the farmers are starving because of capitalist tendency to remove productive jobs from the american population?
I don’t need to because that doesn’t happen.
> 17-20 century in europe?
Kings and emperors are capitalism? Leftist lunatic who cant see reality.

>>16713835
the taxes you claim to love so much goes to israel and weapon companies making misiles to bomb children.

Feeding starving niggers is not even what your taxes goes to.

The top 1% waste the resources in shit like saudi arabia orgies, hollywood loli orgies, vatican pedo orgies.

For some reason the elites love to spend their money on trafficked haitian and ukranian lolies.

The elite top 1% resources don't go to science but to make movies about black people.

>>16713838
Bot. That’s clearly not my stance on taxes. Taxes were tagental to my argument.

>>16683868
>>16713143
The enzyme for processing lactose is created at the tops of the gut villi. When inflammation hurts the villi you become temporarily lactose intolerant as a formerly lactose tolerable person.

>>16713837
So the starvation that happened because of Louis XV-XVI versalles parties aren't real because lmao, they're not capitalists?

My argument is that you should read about france in 17 century, because that's a country without a welfare system for the poors.

Or read about Russia right before the lenin revolution.

>>16713843
I’ve answered this question.

>>16713841
>>16713847
If you were aware, we should kill the top 1%, not give them more resources.

I honestly think we should kill every 10 years the top 1% smarter and more capable humans.

So, I'm a reverse eugenist.

>>16674907 (OP)
No I think it is proven that there a sizable genetic link with intelligence, but I would think across the board at least for humans intelligence would been seen as an beneficial trait so I don't think there would be much genetic variation.