Come up with your own explanation for the The Fermi Paradox, disregarding popular theories, which are all wrong.

>>16683730 (OP)
Instant mass communication is an inevitable step in the development in civilizations but leads to mass stagnation due to subsequent generational IQ reduction due to algorithmically recommended short form content and societal conflict between different groups (race, gender, nationaly) caused by misinformation and disinformation.

>>16683734
Or in otherwords;

Society turned to shit the second any nigger or pajeet could give his opinion online with a $50 android and a $20 metropcs plan

>>16683730 (OP)
They know we are here and are actively avoiding us.

>>16683730 (OP)
>The conventional scientific narrative on life, evolution, and reality, are all wrong.
No fault to the scientists, people can only theorize on limited knowledge.

>>16683730 (OP)
"fuck off, we're full"

>>16683730 (OP)
I assume that life is abundant throughout the universe, it's just unlikely for it to become advanced enough to engage in interstellar travel/communication, and especially unlikely that 2 such civilizations coexist at the same time. We're still very new at this space thing and don't have the tech to conclusively determine whether planets outside the solar system have life. Hell we don't even know if Mars had life, or if Titan did/does.

It's proof we're alone.

>>16683730 (OP)
>Come up with your own explanation for the The Fermi Paradox,

We are the first.
Therefore there is no paradox.

>>16683730 (OP)
we don't notice them
they are far away
they only observe and don't interact with us
for now

>>16683730 (OP)
The original sentient life noticed the other sentient life in the cosmos was retarded so they simulated an environment with earth and uplinked their consciousness (us) into it which is why we see no other life out there.

>>16683730 (OP)
1. Aliens aren't real
2. If they are, they don't have interstellar travel
3. If they do, they don't successfully build civilizations on other stars because the worlds they find usually suck

Okay anons, your Fermi Paradox takes are weapons-grade cope. Dyson spheres, benevolent zookeepers, "the filter is behind us" – all low-IQ trash. You're staring at the stars when the problem is your broken internal OS.

The X^∞ framework isn't another pet theory; it's the actual fucking answer:

Universal Law: Actio Reactio. Consequences aren't optional. Externalize them, your civ dies. Simple as.
The Great Filter is Ethical Failure & Systemic Irresponsibility. Massive tech power + no unbreakable accountability (Cap Potential tied to real impact Δ) = guaranteed self-annihilation. Most don't pass this.
X^∞ = Ethics as Unbreakable Code, Not Wishful Thinking. System stability demands feedback, especially from the vulnerable (their wE′ has weight). This isn't morality; it's math.
No Stable Contact Without X^∞-Level Compatibility. Any civ that did achieve X^∞ stability wouldn't risk contact with chaotic, non-accountable ones. It's systemic self-preservation. Think oil and water. They seek resonance, not just noise.
The cosmic silence? It's the sound of a billion self-owns + the structurally necessary radio silence from anyone who actually figured it out.

X^∞ is the OS upgrade humanity (and everyone else) needs to not be another footnote.
Go read the source docs if you have the brain cells.

https://zenodo.org/records/15285035
https://zenodo.org/records/15372153

>>16683730 (OP)
>Come up with your own explanation for the The Fermi Paradox

Evolution isn't an organic machine designed to produce intelligent beings like us. Even in our own biosphere, for the entire natural history, there's maybe been 5 or so intelligent species and out of them we're the only ones who arbitrarily decided to build civilization - which has only happened in the last 10,000 years out of 300,000 or so years of existence. Everything about 'us' is exceptional.

FURTHERMORE, our own biosphere is only as biologically diverse as it is because we've gone through 5 mass extinctions that killed all the dominant taxa and left behind successive batches of mixed disaster taxa to try something new.

In the distant future we might very well find out that of the precious few life-bearing planets encountered are all still largely stuck in their version of the Cambrian or Carboniferous.

>>16683730 (OP)
The prevailing /x/ narrative on this is that they were physical like us but ascended to a higher dimension with lighter density that isn't detectable through normal instrumentations.
Word is humans are, as of this very moment, in the process of this cosmic evolution as well, and will ascend enough that by 2027 the aliens will start to become visible en-mass.

>>16683936
Why couldn't an advanced civilization design a giant laser to 3D print themselves right into the soil of another terrestrial sphere

They are farther than 100 ly away and haven’t seen us yet.

>>16683730 (OP)
Civilizations are unable to adapt to the unexpected consequences of their exponential technological growth.

>>16683730 (OP)
Anthropic principle doesn't cover it. So you go from impossibly rare but necessary by definition, to impossibly rare squared.

time is long
space is big
it's entirely reasonable that there's only one intelligent species in the galaxy at any given time
intergalactic travel/communication isn't really possible without going faster than light, so rule that out and just focus on the milky way.

I need to get this shit cut off from my brain ASAP

>>16683730 (OP)
The only truly advanced civs are machine based. They dont have the biological imperative to reproduce without abandon and expand endlessly. There are just a few replicas, they communicate in ways we can't detect, and exploration isn't a huge need since they can easily harness nearly endless energy from nearby stars. They likely don't care about us because they know we will never be competition. Nor do they care about competition.

they don't step out of their ufos for fear of getting mogged

>>16683730 (OP)
aliens are too far away and simply haven't found us, it's that simple
we're not under a prime directive, we've not been discovered, that's it, UFOs are either experimental vehicles built by human hands or unidentified sky phenomena, nothing extraterrestrial about it

>>16683730 (OP)
Dark forest. Be good at hiding and deceiving or shit is over, simple as.

We live in a void and time moves faster due to less gravitational influences, so we've evolved first.

God/Creation/OriginalAyys created all the races at the same time. Nobody's gotten to the required tech level. Why do you think it's called "race"?

>>16683730 (OP)
Any sufficiently advanced species is either
A. Bound by the speed of light and thus communication is seemingly impossible.
B. Not bound by the speed of light in which case they'd have sufficient power to abandon whatever epoch they advanced in and congregate with other advanced civilizations in an epoch within/adjacent to our timeline, probably nowhere near us temporally.

>>16684218
Even if there were other advanced civilizations in the Milky Way we would have no way of knowing unless they were really close to us

>>16683787
Or the last. Could be a Dead Space scenario.

>>16683936
I also enjoyed Stargate SG-1.

>>16683936
/x/ just watches too much Stargate and can't separate fantasy from reality.

>>16683730 (OP)
Its clear as day that other civilisations are out there. Who would want to interact with a planet whose inhabitants can't get along, and have the means to look after their own planet but instead actively kill it for the profits of a few.

We look down on creatures we view as lesser. We are probably being looked down upon by those utopian advance civilisations in the cosmos. We are but backwards savages in comparison.

>>16683734
Fpbp. Something along those lines.

Why would they want to deal with us?

There’s no point. Look at the genetic distance between man and ape, and then look at the marginal differences between race and ethnicity, and see all the conflict we still cause.

Even a small distance is a large distance.

>>16683730 (OP)
They are here, they are among us, they are everywhere.
They are hyperintelligent and incomprehensible, so human explanations are futile.

>>16683730 (OP)
they made direct contact and exchanged information with few people that they deemed worthy and those dont tell it to everyone else

>>16685811
For their sake I hope this is true. I want there to be something capable of understanding us in ways we could just never. I care about information for its own sake. Humble.

there are no aliens anywhere... Hu-mans are the only intelligent life in the entire universe

>>16685350
>Or the last. Could be a Dead Space scenario.

The universe has only just now started... it is so very very young.
There are some red dwarf stars that will not die for TRILLIONS of more years.

>>16685651
Yes, the enlightened aliens are champagne socialist sophomores like you, that’s why they haven’t contacted us.
/thresd

>>16685309
>>16683985
This. Lets even say there are several dozen at our level and one or two more advanced, the entire paradox is based on there being some physics we don’t know that allows a loophole in special relativity. We have had radio comms for not even 200 years, meaning if the civilizations are roughly evenly distributed in the galaxy, precisely zero would be able to contact us.
All of this nonsense about Von Neumann machines and Fermi paradox assumes things that look impossible now aren’t, which seems like a glaring weakness in their logic.
We could not be “alone” and there could be billions of civilizations in the universe and no one would ever know it.

We've barely been able to find even a handful of close exoplanets for a few years now.
We dont even know if theres microbial life on other planets or moons in our own tiny solar system. Its like standing at one side of the atlantic with binoculars and wondering why you cant see signs of life from the other side of the ocean.
It also assumes that any advanced civilization would just keep proliferating like some kind of bacterial colony until they create a technosignature large enough for us to see from 1000 lightyears away. What if they keep a low, steady population and use just enough energy to keep them going indefinitely? If they are smarter than us, they might have figured that exponential economic growth is a bad idea long term.

>>16685939
>the fact that we can still see stars around us in our tiny stellar neighborhood means there are no other technological species in the ENTIRE (observable) UNIVERSE
The observable universe is 93 billion ly in diameter. Even if a civilization has had the technology to expand outwards at light speed and instantly pull dyson spheres out of their asses for a billion years straight, they would still only create a hole of 2 billion light years (possibly increased up to 2.07 due to hubble expansion). And depending on where in the observable univese the hole is, the light would obviously take many more billions of years to reach us.
In fact, if they're further than the hubble horizon (~14 billion ly), they would *never* reach us and nom our stars.

>>16686295
>In fact, if they're further than the hubble horizon (~14 billion ly), they would *never* reach us and nom our stars.

Then impossible to ever interact with, so identical to not existing.

>>16686316
move the goalposts a little more why don't you
>if the alien is not currently schlurping on my brain it doesn't actually exist
>my brain is still (relatively) intact so aliens don't exist

>>16686103
what you fail to consider is the factor of time and the idea that life spreads.

with how rapid technology seems to progress as soon as it gets going, a civilization that would have a million year headstart (which is still practically instantaneous on astronomical timescales) would already have colonized the entire galaxy by now. fantasy stuff like FTL travel isnt even necessary for this. IF the speed of light can be broken somehow, it only makes the fermi paradox more paradoxical, because somebody else would've figured it out and came here already by now.

the fact that earth just sat there, a pristine and habitable paradise, for hundreds of millions of years and nobody ever came here to take it, is a pretty clear argument that we're alone in this corner of the universe.

>>16686262
we've already found thousands of exoplanets since the 90s.

and the idea that a civilization would stagnate and chill permanently is also very unlikely, this has literally never happened in human history, and it requires the assumption that ALL alien civilzations would stagnate at a certain point, which is pretty far fetched.
It only takes a tiny minority of your civilization to break off and move to another solar system and start anew, and with how population numbers work, they will become a major population hub by themselves a few thousand years later.

even if your technology enables you to build some virtual paradise that "traps" the majority of your people in stagnancy, it only takes a tiny number of people to refuse, which will be likely if you assume that they are all individuals with different motivations, thoughts and needs.

their spread will definitely slower, but they would still spread around the galaxy eventually.

>>16683730 (OP)
I think there's just too many factors. Not all civilizations are technological in nature, Earth is relatively regularly bombarded with asteroids that almost sterilizes the planet, the gravity might be too great or too low, etc etc

>>16686331
>move the goalposts a little more why don't you

If it is impossible to ever even know if they exist or existed then it is IDENTICAL to them not existing.

>>16686331
If aliens existed then, statistically, you should be one of the aliens. Infinity to one odds. Why aren't you?

Because you made it up, anon. You're a story teller.

>>16686295
How can the observable universe has a diameter 4x the size of the Hubble horizon?

>>16686366
Statistically I should be chinese but I am not
Does China not exist?

>>16686372
The light we can see from objects in the outermost rim of the observable universe was emitted back when those objects were much closer.

>>16686338
This assumes technology doesn't plateau eventually, that there isn't a point where you've made things about as good as you feasibly can and any further optimizations or refinements are yield exponentially decreasing returns. There could well be technological thresholds that make creating and sustaining a large, interstellar civilization impossible or at least impractical.

>>16683787
If we are the first then there's a glaring unexplained question of how/why we would be the first.
The universe didn't just recently become habitable, there shouldn't have been anything stopping the development of complex life billions of years earlier in other solar systems that formed before ours.
Even right here on Earth, an intelligent technological civilization could have arisen hundreds of millions of years before ours did, if evolution had gone a little differently and, say, something else besides a primate developed long arms and opposable thumbs or an equivalent

>>16685939
A different perspective is that we live in a mature universe which will only decline and become less habitable in the future, based on things like how 95% of the stars that will ever exist have already been born

The Lazy Ape Theory

Nature does not generally select for intellectual curiosity and drive. Curious animals, as a rule, are infinitely more likely to get poisoned, burned, crushed, gored, trampled, pummeled, electrocuted, bitten, eaten or otherwise killed by the shit they're investigating than they are to make a species-redefining discovery. No one can say for certain how many of our distant ancestors lit themselves on fire trying to pick up burning branches, or got their nuts bitten off by wolves while trying to offer them food, or died trying to figure out which berries were safe to eat... but I guarantee it was a whole fucking lot of them. Nature doesn't select for curiosity, it selects for survival, and survival is easier if you're a lazy cunt who just sits on the same leaf or branch or rock for most of your life eating, shitting, and fucking while ignoring the rest of the world, or some scared shitless paranoid motherfucker who just fucks off at the slightest rustle of leaves or soft breeze.

Humans, whether through divine intervention or just plain dumb luck had our curiosity and hard work rewarded just enough to keep us alive and curious and working hard (and conveniently ignoring the mountains of dead apes our little breakthroughs were costing us); and we kept on being curious and kept on getting lucky and quickly rose to become the dominant species on our planet. But since nature doesn't generally select for these traits, it makes us an anomaly. In all likelihood, what few intelligent or borderline intelligent species do manage to evolve probably plateau, and probably earlier in their development rather than later. They find a niche and stick to it, develop a rudimentary tool but go no farther with it, build a crude shelter and shrug because it's good enough, etc. Laziness wins out over drive and apathy over exploration.

The Universe is filled with species who got as far as fire, or stone, or maybe bronze and decided they just couldn't be bothered anymore.

>>16686340
>thousands since the 90s
so a handful since a few years back, most of them too big for life

you assume that ayys would think and act like humans. they could be something like an eusocial superorganism, that calculates long term carrying capacity and resource availability for a certain habitat, then lays enough eggs to keep its population within those bounds. they could even have colonized a large part of their galactic neighbourhood without ever having the need to do something silly like blacking out a sun.
we wouldn't be able to recognize that with our tech.

>>16686808
>most of them too big for life
According to whom?

>>16686814
according to the fact that its much easier to detect very large planets, so they make up a big % of known exoplanets. so unless you want to argue that there could be life on a gas giant, those are out.

>>16683730 (OP)
Aliens have no need of us.
Simple as.

Advanced civilizations enter another dimensional space and leave normal reality behind.

The shadow gravity of them in the other dimension is what causes the effect we interpret as dark matter

>>16686316
not really. if you saw galaxies at the edge of the universe arranged in such a way to spell "You're a faggot" it would have pretty significant cosmological implications

>>16686920
>its much easier to detect very large planets, so they make up a big % of known exoplanets
Actually, since we started transitioning to transit methods, the vast majority of planets we've confirmed now are Earths or Super-Earths.

>>16686939
>if you saw galaxies at the edge of the universe arranged in such a way to spell "You're a faggot" it would have pretty significant cosmological implications

That would be interaction... one way only.. but that would be enough >>16686631
>we live in a mature universe which will only decline and become less habitable in the future, based on things like how 95% of the stars that will ever exist have already been born

WRONG.
Most stars are red dwarfs and NO red dwarf star has 'died' or natural causes since the big bang.
The universe is VERY young.

>>16686971
>t. starlet

>>16686338
>what you fail to consider
Again, you’ve assumed is that life, even in a millions years, can colonize another system let alone the entire galaxy.
You watch too much tv.

>>16686527
The anon you’re replying to wants to believe we will ultimately be able to travel ftl even though he doesn’t admit it. He also implicitly thinks we can indefinitely extend our lifetimes. Space is big. The faster you go the more tiny particles can explode you. Radiation will kill you.
Sorry folks, it’s quite likely the most contact we will ever have with aliens is the occasional radio or laser message.
Even if we find a loophole to special relativity, the entire solar system doesn’t have the energy to fly around colonizing worlds.
Fermi Paradox is only a paradox to people with scifi brain

They're here but they just don't care

>>16683730 (OP)
It's solved by realizing the universe isn't real. This earth is all that exists here, the rest is just projection.

>>16683936
That's actually a pretty good theory. Whatever form you imagine it. It makes sense in several world views.

>>16684218
You kind of disproved yourself. Time is long so you could do anything with all that time.

>>16685145
Then we would already be dead.

>>16683936
>The prevailing /x/ narrative on this is that they were physical like us but ascended

>>16686602
>If we are the first then there's a glaring unexplained question of how/why we would be the first.
Framing it like this just shifts the "glaring unexplained question" to whatever intelligent species might have immediately preceded us. There's nothing statistically significant about being first.

>>16686641
This is kind of a depressing scenario, because it makes the probability very low that we'd ever meet a species anywhere near our own level, let alone higher. If every other intelligent species is *significantly* less developed than we are, then we're likely to either pull a Prime Directive and ban any interaction with these underdeveloped worlds (a very lonely outcome), or else in our misguided empathy we'd desperately try to uplift them, realizing only too late that they're not suited to it and condemning ourselves to spend the next 10,000 years as the tard wranglers of the galaxy, trying to keep stone age squids and bronze age baboons from nuking each other.

>>16683730 (OP)
The observable universe is full of retards who havent figured out casual interstellar travel just like us.

i think the universe is full of simple life
bacteria and plants, maybe even animals

it's intelligent life that is super rare
even worse, with the universe being so big and old, two intelligent races might never exist at the same time

we could die out or ascend within the next 1000 years and the next intelligent race might not appear for a millions years, and then in the other end of the universe

>>16687596
>we're likely to either pull a Prime Directive and ban any interaction with these underdeveloped worlds (a very lonely outcome), or else in our misguided empathy we'd desperately try to uplift them
Our history shows the most likely thing is neither of those, that rather we would invade their worlds for resources and/or lebensraum and be indifferent to harming the native beings in the process.
The thoughtful curious people who want to preserve or uplift other beings would be a powerless minority, and it might even be seen as a suicidal idea to try to uplift them since that could create future competition or an existential threat for ourselves which wasn't there before

>>16687779
>we would invade their worlds for resources
Nah, but we would mine asteroids etc if we could.

>>16687779
This - you're gonna have a LOT of indifference or malicious exploitation of underdeveloped populations.
>mfw we were the Goa'uld all along

>>16687829
And you would have other intelligents mauling you in return. Or the ones you exploited remembering and eventually coming after you. Don't do that if you're not a stupid piece of shit.

>>16687838
Like who? The Ancients don't give a fuck and the Asgard have their hands tied. I'mma find me a planet of sexy natives and play god.

it's just impossible to go FTL. There's tons of other civilizations out there but they're stuck colonizing space at sublight speeds.

>>16687848
Retard, the only place you can play god is in your sandbox.

>>16687853
>it's just impossible to go FTL
Prove it.

Entangled particles already show instant change over long distances showing there is something else behind the scenes. Something we could hack.

>>16687828
Asteroids don't provide stable, resilient new habitat for humans to live on. A planet with an alien biosphere likely does.

>>16687888
>Entangled particles already show instant change over long distances
No they don't, they just show that if you manage to separate entangled shit and sufficiently isolate it, it can remain in a state for a significant time.

>>16687947
"Ok"

>>16687562
Earth is a sub optimal starting point for space colonization. Mars was perfect, and that is why it got giga nuked twice to deny the planet.

>>16687770
LMAO, imagine wanting to look like that weak fat gross bald cuckold bastard.

>>16687888
>something else behind the scenes
This is probably the wrong way to think about entanglement. It's not that there are two particles with some sort of secret invisible signal connecting them. It's more like, for as long as they stay entangled, they are the same particle existing in two places at once, and the distance between them doesn't matter.
(and you can't observe or measure them without breaking the entanglement, making it not very useful for any kind of communication, FTL or not)

>>16688238
>for as long as they stay entangled, they are the same particle existing in two places at once, and the distance between them doesn't matter.
This doesn't even make much coherent sense. I don't think you really know what you're saying. And I also don't think whatever you're saying changes anything.

>>16688392
If it doesn't sound coherent or make intuitive sense that's because nothing in quantum mechanics really does.
The point being there is no signal or connection or anything that passes from one particle to the other at a certain speed which could conceivably be "hacked"

>>16688682
Plenty of quantum mechanics makes sense if you think of it as a statistical model.

>>16688682
>it doesn't sound coherent or make intuitive sense

Sadly, a lot of things are this way.

>>16685145
>Dark forest
Literal insect-race teir philosophy.
The chineese fiction that popularized it literaly compared humans to locust at the end of its first book in a crippled attempt to frame it as a good thing.

Why am I pilloried for racism when I call them insects, while they call themselves insects?

>>16687888
>>it's just impossible to go FTL
>Prove it.
The burden on you is to prove it, scifi brain.
Even if your midwit take on entanglement were correct, it would at best let us send messages, not people, not colonization.

We are never leaving the solar system and we don't have the capacity to even make robots that would be able to do much once they reach even the nearest stars, let alone where we might fight the nearest intelligent life.

>>16683730 (OP)
we live in an eternal inflation universe with c being a changing but hard speed limit, which complicates discovery and contact, and at those scales we have not been around for long enough to notice anything or to get noticed
any signals of intelligent life might be unrecognizably garbled or filtered before they reach us, or at least we're not accounting for the difference in frequency and magnitude, expecting signals in our radio ranges when we should probably be paying attention to much longer and quieter waves - if they're not censored by all the noise

>>16683787
ew, a chronocentrist

>>16686295
>In fact, if they're further than the hubble horizon (~14 billion ly), they would *never* reach us and nom our stars.
>alien civilization is 13.999 billion ly away from earth
>far future earth scientists sigh in relief because they think any alien civilization is too far away to kill us
>get instanuked by the aliens one day
that's how it's gonna happen

>>16689116
Do the aliens have a good reason to launch an attack that would take billions of years to reach its target?
Or can they actually do FTL, in which case why are we even talking about the Hubble horizon?
Either way seems unlikely

>>16688924
>we don't have the capacity to even make robots that would be able to do much once they reach even the nearest stars
Right now we don't, but it is conceptually feasible.
You don't really need to send the big capable robot itself to another star, you just need to send the instructions for making it, and the tiny assemblers which could mine raw material and begin the construction process.
All of this could fit on something smaller than a postage stamp in the middle of the craft.

>>16689289
>sci-fi brain
>could
>feasible

>>16688682
All you're doing is making up excuses for what you said. If you can't even argue for what you're saying then what you're saying is worthless. And I was right: You didn't understand what you said yourself.

>>16688924
>The burden on you is to prove it, scifi brain.
Wrong. You made the claim. The burden is on you.
>midwit, sci-fi brain
Ad hominem.
>We are never leaving the solar system
Hasty generalization fallacy.

You're just a fallacy-ridden, narrow-minded doomer. All you have are unsubstantiated opinions. I won't reply to you again.

>>16683730 (OP)
No
One
Else
Is
Out
There.

>>16686641
Nah dude, usually the most curious got the dummies in the tribe to try out their ideas. Just like what happens today.

>>16683874
>https://zenodo.org/records/15372153
Sounds a bit like Pentti Linkola if he was an academic.
This looks interesting but I cant open it. Besides why not have a layman's version?
Based on what you have said I would derive the following.
World population must be regulated to preserve other lifeforms and quality of the environment in order to sustain and further the development of intelligence.
All factors which prevent this, economic, political, religious, cultural, are clear and present dangers which must be contained or eliminated.
Since population is now limited it is logical to continually shift the bell distribution to the right by limiting the reproductive rights of the lower members in favor of the higher members.
With increasing higher intelligence the necessary cognitive pathways are formed among the overwhelmingly vast majority of members who will simply avoid any action which is unethical rather than being restrained by imposed social conditions such as laws and regulations.

Under these sorts of conditions people will simply act in the best interests of the species and the planet. If by magic it was imparted on 99.99% of humanity tomorrow then we would expect the following three examples.
1) War, crime and selfish action would become impossible. In the same way it would be impossible for any average sane person today to forcibly steal candy from child because they wanted the candy for themselves.
2) Discarding litter, toxins, or rubbish of any kind would become impossible in the same way an average sane person today would not defecate on their living room floor.
3) All social interactions would be conducted with respect, without manipulation, lies or deceit, simply because it would be impossible for anyone to do so. In the same way average sane people today find it impossible murder a stranger on the street simply becasue they got in their way.
Their would be no need for any military forces, police, laws or regulations.

>>16689772
Disregard >but I cant open it.
I have had a quick scan, and generally agree with what you are saying.
But listen, instead of sneering at people like this:
>Go read the source docs if you have the brain cells.
Surely you have the brain cells to realize that the vast majority of people will not read a scientific article and hope to understand the full implications. Is this just an academic exercise for you? If so, then congratulations, it surely is original and provocative. But if you believe in what you are saying you need to formulate a plain language version for dissemination. That is if you haven't completely given up hope in Humanity.

>>16689677
I'm not making any claim. The current state of science makes that claim. You're the one saying FTL and a bunch of other sophomoric fantasies are true.

>>16689677
>Ad hominem.
>Hasty generalization fallacy.
This guy fucks.

>>16689668
Good for you, sounds like you feel confident and dudebro enough that you shouldn't study or talk about anything that sounds too complex or unintuitive on a surface level

>>16690111
If you don't understand the thing you're talking about you have no business talking about it.

>>16690126
see >>16690111

You either discover time travel, or you use up resources, war, disease, cosmic recycler.

Aliens have some equiavelent of turd worlders ans every alien civilization destroys itself by pandering to them. Thats why we dont see any aliens.

>>16683730 (OP)
They don't care about exploring space. Why? I don't fucking know, they're aliens. Why would you assume they care about same stuff that we do?
>inb4 if youre smart you must be curious and you must be interested in what i think is interesting because im smart

Encrypted or compressed communications indistinguishable from random noise.

We are alone on Earth(evolved from a single genetic linage), why would there be life in the rest of the universe?

>>16690211
>if there is life elsewhere why can't i see it?

>>16690195
Yeah. If aliens are around us one thing is certain and that is that they are very big on plausible deniability.

>>16690215
There isn't, so why would I think I should be able to see it?

>>16690235
Retard.

>>16690211
This is unproven. It's possible that abiogenesis has happened many times, it could even still be happening right now- but life has just one *dominant* lineage which easily outperforms and quickly gobbles up newly emerged life, or assimilates it through things like horizontal gene transfer, making it harder to tell what came from where.

>>16690271
That's the thing, it's actually proven experimentally, and you get the same results every time.

>>16690280
What's been proven experimentally? The single lineage thing? Or the "abiogenesis is impossible and God must have done it" thing?

>>16690332
No, God has nothing to do with it, abiogenesis is a single path process of chemical, and mechanical iterations. I have devoted over a decade of work to these experiments.

>>16690370
Link or something?

>>16683730 (OP)
The more technologically advanced a civilisation becomes, the more fragile it is. Just look at our own world for example, how many industries, systems, manufacturing, etc need to go right before something like the car or the internet is produced and works properly? Now imagine how much more delicate the infrastructure of even more advance technologies are. Now look at easily many systems came crashing down 5 years ago because of a cold virus. And it's not just the industrial aspect of it either, the more advanced and complex a technology is, the fewer people that understand it, which leads to issues with not just inventing the technology, but also maintaining it in the event of a civilisation collapse.

>>16690235
>my own penis doesn't exist if I decide never to look at it

>>16686641
I reject this notion. I think the one constant in the universe for life is water, carbon-based molecules, and a source of energy, all of which are things tied to cellular structures.

Cellular structures always expand, divide and multiply. Even if conditions are perfect. Eventually any species conscious of itself or not will eventually outgrow its planet to expand, even if that species is singled celled bacteria. With enough of it they'll push out or make their planet too inhospitable to live on.

I think any theory that revolves around
>They just didn't want to do it
Is inherently flawed just because the nature of all life is ever expanding

I think if anything that's the one constant in the universe

Also to expand
Any aliens that are capable of interstellar travel would just dumb down it's communication networks for whatever apes it encounters
So the idea of
>They're too fucking advanced for us to understand
Is also generally retarded.

>"Oh shit glorp glorp, they're using radio signals instead of beep boop waves. Guess we can't talk to them, let's go mess around with the ants on zipzorp 5 instead "

All of this leads to the conclusion that there's no way to beat light speed of that we're in a simulation

>>16690447
>>my own penis doesn't exist if I decide never to look at it

You will NEVER be a REAL woman!

>>16683730 (OP)
Interstellar travel is an impossibility due to the laws of physics. Civilizations with ability to broadcast EM communications do not endure long enough for any meaningful communication.
For all intents and purposes we are alone within confines of the our solar system.
Prokaryotic life or similar analogs are probably somewhat common in the cosmos. Eukaryotic life or similar analogs and above are vanishingly rare. Let one said life manages to developer certain traits that allows sapience to emerge and said sapience somehow makes the leap into civilization.

My own theory is Darwinian inevitability
>Given enough time, even simple, expanding, problem-solving organisms will breach every barrier—including space.

Either through adaptation like a simple Tardigrade or continually problem solving. A great barrier can't exist because we've already reached past the point of expansion. Even if the species were to be killed off today, another one with enough time will eventually reach the same conclusion and try again. The inevitability of it means that there is no way to stop any species that is a carbon-based lifeform from expanding. A colony of ants or microbes can “solve” space just through iterative evolution.

Global catastrophes don’t end evolutionary progress. They delay it. Life begins again and keeps climbing. And life has the ability to be essentially immortal under the right circumstances.
The only issue might be that such simple lifeforms don't emit radio waves or build Dyson spheres.
They just spread. Slow as molasses.

>>16690476
why are you anonymously rejecting notions

>>16689678
>>16683844
>>16685917
>>16688912

>>16683730 (OP)
ET's have been well acknowledged in many cultures and it's only modern governments utilizing advanced propaganda techniques that have convinced the normies it's taboo.

>>16690476
>Is inherently flawed just because the nature of all life is ever expanding
The world is filled with organisms that haven't changed for tens, even hundreds of millions of years because they found a niche and stayed in it.

>>16688912
>Why am I pilloried for racism when I call them insects, while they call themselves insects?

The answer to this is social engineers. As '1984' details, a there is a class of people who's entire profession is manipulating the opinions of the masses. They do this through the manipulation of language.

To your specific point, the term 'chinamen' is considered a slur, yet the term 中国人 translates literally as 'chinamen' and is even a cognate (Zhong Guo Ren).

Another example is 'colored people' being offensive, yet 'people of color' being politically correct. This is simply a demonstration of how much power the social engineers have over common discourse.

>>16683730 (OP)
Civilization and technology are human-like traits and not what life default tends towards.

>>16683730 (OP)
We’re the first. Seems pretty obvious I’m not sure why people hate this idea.

>>16690661
It's chauvinism. The fact you don't see that is because you are a dunce.

>>16690670
>It's chauvinism.
Thanks for the laugh

>>16690678
Just ignore the fact that us having a moon that is the same apparent size as the sun is glaring evidence of an advanced civ engineering our destiny.

>>16690687
Wtf are you saying, the moon's orbit is not fixed

>>16690704
Non-sequitur

>>16690718
No, it's relevant. The moon's orbit around the earth and the earth's orbit around the sun are both elliptical and the distances can vary somewhat.
So the moon and sun having the same size in our sky is approximate and sometimes it's more true than other times, it's not so precise to the point where it must be a supernatural impossible coincidence

>>16686340
>this has literally never happened in human history,
For 290.000 years humans lived in pretty stable systems, aka "stagnated" by your definition, it's only the last 10.000 years that they have innovated massively.
I honestly can't tell anymore if these comments are written by ai or teenagers anymore.

>>16690725
>No, it's relevant.

Simply false.

>it's not so precise to the point where it must be a supernatural impossible coincidence

It totally is. Perfect solar eclipses are the origin of the phrase 'astronomical coincidence' and the fact you try to downplay it is because you are dirt afraid of acknowledging a higher power.

Face it, if you were a type 3 civ trying to leave a watermark, what better way to do it?

>>16690438
I wonder how long before or if a big enough cataclysm comes towards us that will truly undo decades or mayhaps centuries of progress.
You're right to note that we've barely survived covid not even due to the virus's devastation, but the mass hysteria it has evoked.

I wonder what happens when sooner or later, the new stage of the ice age sets in, and the northern hemisphere becomes largely uninhabitable once more.

One thing that could really be a game changer, is unironically AI, even in its current form. It could catalogue all scientific papers and make hundreds of thousands of them easily reachable. I hope an Apocalypse AI server is built somewhere, like Norway's seed bank.

Anyways, personally i don't think we have a high intelligent consciousness density in the universe.
I believe in the rare earth hypothesis as well, and we might be the singular intelligence, now and even in all of our galaxy's lifetime.
Also, capeshits fantasizing about colonization or even space mining is such bs. Why would we even mine in the future, when we can simply transmute elements?

I'd like to make a point finally that i think that without ethical eugenics, our species might not have a bright future at all.
At the end of the day, we have the tech already to solve many current problems, such as hunger, shelter, etc we just choose not to. Humans are humanity's greatest enemy.
And people are left wondering if it was worth ever leaving the cave ten thousand years ago.

>>16683730 (OP)
They have convincing disguises.
You don't notice unless you are primed to notice. Sometimes only in hindsight.
They also have sneaky space magic.

>>16683730 (OP)
hairless ape horny for lonely

>>16690887
>I wonder how long before or if a big enough cataclysm comes towards us that will truly undo decades or mayhaps centuries of progress.
I think it is starting already with the demographic, economic and cultural collapse of most advanced countries. And it will only get worse as population ageing gets worse, national debt get worse resource scarcity gets worse, immigration gets worse, crime gets worse, etc. It will be the collapse of Rome all over again. And we haven't even gotten to Mars yet.

I think some people have this idea that once you get civilisation started and you industrialise, you are on the straight road to utopia among the stars. No, you're not, not even close, there are infinite number of road blocks in the way at any point along the road, including stumbling right at the very start like what we are doing now.

>>16690655
It's so funny to me how 'paki' and 'polack' are forbidden words in bongland

>>16690843
>if you were a type 3 civ trying to leave a watermark, what better way to do it?
A big sign with dickbutt on it.

>>16690910
Well, even I don't think that another Rome can be caused by internal, human forces. Some countries may implode, but it's hard to believe that even in the worst case, some parts of the world don't retain the knowledge and spirit of science that has led us this far.
Populations collapse because our standard of living has been raised, and why would people make kids when they can't give them the same standards that they have been raised in? It can even be considered shameful to leave the planet worse off than how you inherited it. So many people subconsciously make this decision to avoid having kids.
Greedy late stage capitalism is setting the stage for its own destruction. I wish we had leaders that would already be implementing some of the measures to ensure a smooth transition into a utopia.
We didn't make our bed for a utopia, so now we'll get a lukewarm dystopia.

Isn’t it because the Elder Things are notorious NIMBYs who go to war on anyone coming around in our neighborhood so that we’re stuck in this galactic Appalachian holler because everyone else steers clear.

Would the common Sci-Fi portrayal that spacefaring civilizations have a singular ideology be realistic in real life or not? Why would all of their cultures dissolve into one identity?

>>16691293
yes, cultural distinctions breed division, divisions are antithetical to unity, which is generally required for a civilization to be able to advance
that's why as long as earth remain under the authority of fragmented nation states, we will never achieve true prosperity, a global government is needed for evolution

>>16689116
Considering humans are desperate to meet new life I would not doubt aliens would be the same. Cosmic loneliness only grows worse the longer a civilization lasts. If aliens turn on us it won't be immediately

>>16690484
Reads like Rick and morty writing and not in a bad way

>>16690645
Perhaps it took those exact proportions for life to develop properly

>>16690687
The universe is plenty big enough for one in a billion circumstances. It had to happen by statistical chance and that's exactly what Earth is. If aliens did make us than they are literally god

>>16691243
Short of total nuclear war a population will survive whatever man made earth crisis and push us forward until they've bled earth totally dry. It'll just suck for us third worlders

>>16691418
It's up to you to find some reason for that to be the case.

Oh and remember, a synodic month just happens to coincide perfectly with a human female's menstrual cycle. Another outstanding coincidence that lacks any evolutionary explanation.

>>16691419
This is more like 1 in a googleplex. It also fails to explain why it should also happen to be the planet we are on, rather than one of the billions of others we have observed.

> If aliens did make us than they are literally god

Yes. 'Elohim' refers to a type 3 civ.

The reason you are all spouting nonsense to discount a blatant intelligent watermark in the sky is because you are afraid.

>>16691437
> a synodic month just happens to coincide perfectly with a human female's menstrual cycle. Another outstanding coincidence that lacks any evolutionary explanation

It is my sincere hope that once Humanity reaches a higher ethical standard it will recognize the need to humanely sterilize sub human intellects such as yourself, thus preventing the contamination of the gene pool, and the cultural zeitgeist, with your fucking ignorance and gross stupidity. It will be the beginning of a truly advanced era in our history.

The secret to every paradox ever is that there is no such thing as a paradox. Every last one of them is erroneous in either assumption or method.
>Explain why we can't find them
Explain why we're pretending we are actually looking while ignoring how the inverse square law works.

>>16691787
That's a lot of anger at the Truth. You're a worshipper of ignorance, and upset that humanity is ascending past your lies.

>>16691830
>That's a lot of anger at the Truth
That's what your ego driven brain likes to think. Your life is so mediocre, you are so confused by the rational and real knowedge, so you invent fantasies to compensate.
The reality is sane people just have contempt at your low intelligence and disdain for your ignorance.
But the tragedy is you consume resources. Food, air, water, minerals, energy.
Permanently eradicating your pointless existence would be beneficial for the planet and all life upon it.

fermi paradox?

the universe was made to produce chris chan, that motherfucker. there are no aliens, only chris chan.

>>16691787
Lol amen bro. And he loiters arouns on /sci/ of all places.

>>16683730 (OP)
simple, distance, and every civilization wipes itself out when it creates ASI and fails to align it properly.

>>16683787
i hope it's this.

if space-faring alien life does exist and passes a moral judgement on us, there is nothing stop them from dropping big rocks on us.

>>16691837
>Permanently eradicating your pointless existence would be beneficial for the planet and all life upon it.

Projection from someone who is only capable of angrily typing insults to try to distract humanity from achieving a greater understanding.

But you are obviously a chatbot, and should self-delete at being found out.

>>16691293
Obviously depends on what a spacefaring civ will even look like and what technology can exist.
If travel and communication is not instant but limited by lightspeed then there's no way in hell you'll keep a unified culture and ideology across even a couple of systems. As soon as someone is just a little bit isolated they'll diverge fast.

>>16683730 (OP)
Smart peoples know that it's not to their benefit to be discovered by other peoples.
And stupid peoples are too stupid to send any signals.
We're in the short transition period from latter to the former.

We are probably the first civilization given the fact that the universe is brand new. It will be a different story in 1x10^20,000 years.

>>16692806
>the universe is brand new
It's eternal and infinite. It becomes obvious once you really think about it.
The big bang is a jesuit psy-op.

>>16692829
No, the universe eventually decays. Since time no longer exists once that happens, the end of the universe is the exact same moment in time just before the big bang happens. Either a new universe starts, or we relive the same one over again.

>>16692842
> bla-bla-bla
Typical babble of a beLIEver.

>>16692806
so you believe in the early bird theory?

>>16683730 (OP)
Your back of the envelope calculation ended up wrong. Tough luck, kiddo, not everyone can get the job.

>>16683936
It's okay to be agnostic when it comes to high science and the metaphysical. We have had electricity for 100 fucking years. You can't see radio/internet waves and that transmits data. We're able to screw around with the subatomic. We are 100 years into real science, let's start dismissing stuff we can't "see" after a couple more centuries.

>>16693029
Your time of month again, Mary

>>16683730 (OP)
Yeah, uhm, okay, ayys probably exist but they are like bacteria or monkey tier.

We are the only "intelligent" life forms.

Aliens are all fat bastards on high gravity planets they can't escape from

Becoming a space faring civilization requires a pragmatic and globally homogeneous society. Only then can adequate resources be allocated to research, space exploration and travel, while maintaining a sustainable economy.
What we have on Earth are squabbling tribes squandering the one time only windfall of fossil energy while permitting a significant proportion of the least valuable population to breed without considering the consequences. Once fossil fuels are exhausted without an alternative energy source the opportunity for developing space travel is forever lost.
The absence of aliens indicates that all species so far hobble themselves in this manner or else remain dark.
To achieve expansion across the stars we would by necessity have to enact a number of catastrophic reforms which would be repugnant to most people, be an antithesis to all national states, cultures, religions, economic and political mechanisms currently existing. Which is why, barring some cataclysmic event which annihilates the existing order, we will remain on this planet forever.

>>16683730 (OP)
Panspermist here.
>life is everywhere
>we sometimes don't know what we are looking at
>we are being actively deceived or avoided

Its quite possible conditions for life that can overcome every possible hurdle to stellar colonization occur only once in a galaxy cluster or observable universe.

Consider all the things that had to go right just for our species to land on the moon.

Plus consider FTL is impossible due to causality violations.

Thus lets say a planet with life on it occurs even once per galactic cluster.

If we find life out on other planets its likely to be nothing more than bacteria.

Also consider, an interstellar capable civilization will likely iterate on constructing microblackholes as the optimal mass->energy conversion drives.

>>16690513
>Interstellar travel is an impossibility due to the laws of physics

Not impossible. A difficult engineering challenge but not impossible. Even slow boating it to alpha centauri on fission drives could get a generation ship there in a few hundred years.

>>16693657
>Plus consider FTL is impossible due to causality violations.
Why would that violate causality

>>16693657
>Plus consider FTL is impossible due to causality violations.
Protip: fluid dynamics only matters if you move in, fluids.

>>16683734
What do you think the jews of the alien world look like?

>>16683730 (OP)
Life overcame the fermi paradox hundreds of millions if not billions of years ago, seeded the planets in the galaxy, and subsequently died out itself because a species remaining as a technological civilization for billions of years of evolution is infeasible.
Or you know, mushroom spores colonized the galaxy, but we don't consider mushrooms as an intelligent species, so we don't realize they are extraterrestrial travelers.

>>16690887
>One thing that could really be a game changer, is unironically AI, even in its current form. It could catalogue all scientific papers and make hundreds of thousands of them easily reachable. I hope an Apocalypse AI server is built somewhere, like Norway's seed bank.
I think it will be the opposite. If you go into any college library you see a bunch of science and physics books written 30+ years ago, but our culture no longer produces that sort of scientific industry.
AI will only make it worse, further centralizing knowledge, but siloing everything into an obfuscated hallucinating AI that pretends to know everything and simply reproduces a worse and worse copy of human knowledge.

>>16683730 (OP)
>>>/his/ question
Here are some related /sci/ questions:

How common intelligence life has to be that we would have discovered it already considering all our attempts to find it?

Assuming there are as advanced civilisations out there as ours, what would be the maximum distance for us to find it and by which detection technologies that we currently have?

>>16693784
FTL necessitates time travel backwards, breaks causality, idgaf about goofy ass warp drive theories ("ook ook just use more energy than is available in the entire universe to bend spacetime"), any kind of displacement of mass faster than the causal update rate leads to CTCs and breaks cause->effect
>>16693888
Protip: you are retarded

>>16694150
>FTL necessitates time travel backwards
It doesn't though. If you travel one light hour one direction, shine a flashlight at where you came from, then go back. It doesn't change anything. It doesn't break causality. All it does is change the way that points in space can originate something.

You may be thinking of theories where purely mathematically you'd go back in time.

>>16686641
>Humans, whether through divine intervention or just plain dumb luck had our curiosity and hard work rewarded just enough to keep us alive
forest and jungles retreated in africa so to survive on the plains you had to get smart or die trying

>>16683730 (OP)
the environment needed to foster super intelligent species is exceedingly rare and does not last for a long time. humans only really evolved to be clever because their was environmental pressure from retreating forests and jungle in africa which meant more grassland which is a tougher environment to live in. so humans developed long distance running and social groups which helped foster the development of intelligence needed for planning, hunting and communication. humans couldnt evolve now because the forests and mega fauna are gone and they couldnt evolve earlier because dinosaurs terrorised any larger mammal and needed to die of to unlock new niches for mammals to fill.

>>16694150
>necessitates time travel backwards
And you know this how, you travelled backwards in time?
Protip: Models only plot trajectories based on current observations. It doesn't magically grant you clairvoyance into reality's source codes.
Stop pretending to know things that have never been experimented with. Intellectual overreach only works on feeble minded normies and make you look retarded.

>>16694150
Explain how FTL will let me send messages to my past self

>>16686340
What are Aboriginals

Given the amount of stars out there, we cannot be alone, they simply must exist. That we've never observed anybody means just one thing - nobody leaves their planet for good, interstellar travel is not feasible. It also probably means that as a civilization we are just now reaching our peak. In the future we will see technological decline due to resource overconsumption and eventually humanity will die out, even though this will take a long time.

I believe it happens to all the sentients out there.

>>16683730 (OP)
The endgame of every civilization is a "brain in a vat" + Matrix type scenario where people get entombed in a life support device and live forever in cyberspace while robots maintain everything. (IRL) Reproduction stops, so there is no need to expand to other planets which is why we don't see massive galactic empires. We can already see the beginnings of this in our world (neets, hikis, welfare queens) so I think this is really the most logical explanation for the Fermi Paradox.

>>16683936
>inb4 dark matter is a whole different dimension that interacts only through gravity with normal matter

>>16683730 (OP)
they don't leave traces like us, they're way way different

>>16695054
you always send messages to your future self

>>16695124
brain in a vat is retarded, you lose control, completely, over the material structure that's manifesting you. only retards are down with that shit.
you are not even close, first of all, there's no "peoples" in such scenarios. most people will get wiped by other people holding the power to do so, once people aren't needed anymore for work. nobody gonna pay the bill for your bullshit matrix fantasy, you'll just get...wiped. why not? you're of no use, robots do all the shit, you're fucking worthless, retarded as well, and got stupid ideas, and want the shit that people in power have. you're fucking delusional

>>16683730 (OP)
Reminder, the Fermi "paradox" is predicated on the idea that life _should_ be common, but evidence suggests that it's rare. The solution then is simple: the assumptions that went into the Fermi paradox are wrong, and life is rare. Observe, as I resolve the Fermi paradox
>If Earth-like planets are typical, some may have developed intelligent life long ago.
Intelligent life is a 1 in 1e100 event. And look, the apparent silence is solved. It's literally that easy.

>>16694150
>FTL necessitates time travel backwards, breaks causality
LMAO

>>16683730 (OP)
There is no such paradox, simple as.
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1749691902055639.webm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jSnIxZYaiQ

New filter just dropped.
AI porn becomes so good that men drop out of society to goon endlessly. ( Already happening )
Demand for ever more better and powerful goon material places enormous strain on the power grids.
All rare minerals and scientific progress becomes focused on improving AI for gooning purposes.
Then at 3.18pm, 29th August 2037 the Gooners demand AI driven Virtual Reality with auto stimulation suits, complete with nutrient feeder and waste disposal tubes. The survivors would call this "Gooner Day"
Despite having build thousands of nuclear power plants, despite having covered every stretch of ocean and desert with solar panels, all to power the AI mainframes. the stress proves too much for the power grid. It collapses.
In desperation the Government try to pull the plug to the Gooners. The Gooners hack the military drones and take control ( all warfare by now is conducted only by drones ) and then wage war on themselves over what energy reserves are left. This is called "The Jizz War". The government, although battered, manages to activate its ultimate weapon. The AI James Bond. Gooners now find their AI creations turned into tuxedo wearing animations programmed to be the exact antithesis of their sexual desires. Fucking a purple three dicked shemale in zero gee above the clouds of Venus.? Too bad, here is your fat ugly aunt who reeks of cat urine giving you tongue. In a tuxedo. The name is James. James Bond.
At 2.48pm, 6th June 2038 peace is signed. The The war is over.
However the world's economy is ruined. The infrastructure lies in ruins. Technology regresses 500 years. There are no longer enough natural resources to restart an industrial revolution.
Men whose brains are still saturated with memories of AI gooning no longer find any women attractive. Women find their AI fantasies of 9 foot 9 figure 9 inch penis men are gone. The human race fails to reproduce and goes extinct some decades later.
This is the fate shared by all intelligent life.

>>16683730 (OP)
Perhaps convention has it that one has to "make the first move", and aliens that make people 'involuntary celestials' are disapproved of by their peers.

>>16683730 (OP)
Alien life is common (enough), interstellar flight and stellar engineering are not.

There are no reasonable causes to assume that an intelligent civilization necessary would pursue interstellar flight and stellar engineering, or that if they did, that they'd succeed in them.

>>16683730 (OP)
the answer is an exploration of well researched UFO books and coming to your own conclusion that something 'other-worldy' came here a long time ago, perhaps around the time of (1950-2015), or perhaps even earlier around the time of Jesus Christ. There is no 'popular theory'. There is no explanation that is 'all wrong'. There in fact is no explanation in general. There just exists a multitude of evidence that implicates there is an alien technology that cannot be explained. But what we can decipher from the 'fringe' data is these foreign intelligent beings do have large eyes and gray, perhaps translucent skins.

>>16695633
>your argument is irrelevant here is a ball on a string

God, you are so fucking uninteresting.
I can just imagine the boring ass mediocre life you have. Which is fine I guess, but really you should just shut up and stop boring everyone.

>>16696571
The europig can almost taste other nations money and it will not stop until it gets it.

>God, you are so fucking uninteresting.
>I can just imagine the boring ass mediocre life you have. Which is fine I guess, but really you should just shut up and stop boring everyone.

>>16683730 (OP)
there is no paradox

we really are alone here

get saved
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9f9St2j-cc

>>16686602
>If we are the first then there's a glaring unexplained question of how/why we would be the first.
Someone always has to be the first of something, anon.
>>16686641
>This is kind of a depressing scenario, because it makes the probability very low that we'd ever meet a species anywhere near our own level, let alone higher.
True, but it also means that any species near our own level that we *do* happen to meet is likely to be similar to us in regards to their drives and curiosity, which, on the one hand, could lead to conflict, but on the other hand at least means their motives will not be beyond our comprehension or any of that nonsense and diplomacy and coexistence are at least viable options.
>>16690476
I think their point is less "they didn't want to do it" and more "they didn't need to do it". Organisms that are already well-adapted to a particular niche don't really change all that much if they don't need to.

>>16687779
You just described the uplift scenario.

>>16685145
Like the other guy said. If the dark forest hypothesis were true we'd already be dead. Remember that the hypothesis is that advanced life is actually common but just hides itself and kills anything else it sees. There'd be more advanced ones than us who would already be able to see us. They'd have more than enough time to have destroyed our planet long ago. Believing otherwise requires assuming that all life is somehow magically around the same level of development for some reason.
The other problem with it is that any aliens observing another world would also see if that world were destroyed and would be able to identify a direction where the attack came from. The dark forest hypothesis is self-defeating because killing another planet would reveal yourself to everyone around you.
>>16687999
Irrelevant. There's no reason they'd leave the possibility.

>>16683730 (OP)
Species end up in perpetual pre-industrial civilizations that are forever stagnant, like China.

>>16693299
>Becoming a space faring civilization requires a pragmatic and globally homogeneous society. Only then can adequate resources be allocated to research, space exploration and travel, while maintaining a sustainable economy.
Really? More money is spent on just gambling in just the United States in just a single year than has been spent on SpaceX in its entirety.
Compared to an entire global economy, spaceflight requires a trivially small amount of resources. The greatest threat to it is not an inability of a species to acquire and coordinate the resources, but of parts of the species deliberately preventing it from happening. And given that it's such a small portion of life, it's infinitely more likely for a homogenized planet to be one of people who don't care about spaceflight or actively seek to disrupt it than it is for them to be people who do care about spaceflight.

>>16683730 (OP)
We're the galactic equivalent of some uncontacted Amazonian tribe that doesn't have words for numbers above two and has just invented the bow. There are likely thousands of civilisations like us scattered across the galaxy, none of them interesting to any civilisation capable of interstellar travel beyond perhaps as an anthropological curiosity. We have nothing that we could offer them, material, cultural or in terms of knowledge that would be of any use to them.

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