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>>16685934 (OP)
Dropped out of a physical therapy program because I thought I'd be better off with a MS in statistics; did I do good /STEM/? or did I dun goof?

>>16685934 (OP)
>1st year cs student in a very math-heavy program
>despite doing really well in all my classes, constantly feel like shit because most of my colleagues are here because they didn't get admitted into a more prestigious engineering-focused school
>because of this, there are almost no opportunities for research in interesting areas

should I just drop out and enroll in a pure maths program?

Anyone making more than 20$/hr.
Idk how to get to the next level

>>16686200
well, what are you currently doing?

>>16686206
Warehouse associate

>>16686215
uh, I guess try being a lab warehouse associate?

I regret doing my phd in math. The only way to fix it is to get a second msc in astrophysics.

Are there any research areas combing Electrical Engineering/Biochemistry/Pharmacueticals/Peformance Enhancing Drugs/Longevity Research?

Oh hey, never been on the board in all my 16 years of uh, yeah well anyway doing an undergrad in biochemistry uh is there anyway to make it aside from pretending to care about volunteering for a couple years, testing 520+ on the mcat (I actually tink I may be good for it), and then spending another decade in school only to get in debt, while working along the platonic ideal of every snot nosed hall monitor to get into school?

>>16686189
Do you like to be unemployed? Then yes.

i want to get into the engineering side of renewable energy, most likely solar, but im not opposed to others, or nuclear. BS in mechanical engineering with a minor in enviornmental science?

>>16686189
ISI

Unpopular opinion: if you do PhD in actually applicable things, it's really worth it.
My work was on topological methods in context of mesh generation and scientific visualisation, and it was real fun. I now have a high six figure job that is real fun and fulfilling. It's nothing like what I could have gotten without a PhD.

>>16685953
>Thanks guys. The field would be applied physics / semiconductors.
Semiconductors will be safe for the foreseeable future.
>What about work/life balance?
Life as a PhD student and postdoc is heavily skewed towards work, not so much balance.
>Another very common thing I have heard is that PhD students can't have a life because of the sheer amount of time that is required of them.
In some fields, there is a race to be first, which makes it all very intense. I was there.
>For example, a friend who's doing a PhD recently turned down a fantastic party on a SATURDAY because he had to work on a paper. That seems crazy to me. And no, it wasn't an excuse, I know him well and if he could he would have come.
It might be they had a breakthrough and just have to get that paper out before being scooped by a competing research group. Being the first to discover something is enormously valuable, resulting in massive citations.

>>16685934 (OP)
can you still get a health physics gig with a regular physics degree or is that another thing locked up by (((specialization)))

>my phd thesis has 120 pages
>my colleagues' have 350+ pages
Chat am I cooked?

>>16687587
Nobody reads that shit who cares.

>>16687587
It really is a matter of quality over quantity. Only complete brainlets who have trouble writing a page of text measure their achievement by number of pages.

Is chemistry a decent field to get into?

>>16687698
Yes, it's very easy to get a job in the field. Industrial chemistry is one of those things that are always on demand for the past century.

>>16687587
Mine was only ~130 and that covered some theoretical work, two experiments, and some computational follow-up. Looking through some of the dissertations from my cohort, most of them were between 110-150 pages with the longest being ~200. Like >>16687647 said, quality over quantity. If you need 400 pages to summarize 3-5 years of doctoral research, you either did way too much, or you did very little and are desperately padding it out.

The important things for a diss are
a) Constructing a competent narrative throughline through your motivation, process, results, and plans for future research and
b) Clearly conveying why the work you did constitutes a high quality and significant contribution to your field.

>>16687712
Nice. In my fantasies I'd somehow use chemistry to help the environment but I'll have to actually look into options

>>16687698
chemistry is pretty shit tier with just a BS unless you go somewhere like caltech or stanford, but it's a great stepping stone for med school/phd/etc

bud or stem?

>>16687712
In the EU?
t. Bouta graduate in the following months.

>>16687712
>Industrial chemistry
How does that differ from Process Chemistry?

>>16688332
>In the EU?
maybe once energy and natural gas prices come down by an order of magnitude

>>16688396
I work in process r&d for a large chemical company. 95+% of my colleagues are chemical engineers by training; i am one of very few chemists. chemists are more concentrated on the product development side of things

>>16688746
How do you like it and what is your background? Do you think that's an opportunity available to most competent chemists?

>>16686847
That's not an unpopular opinion at all, maybe just unpopular here. Half or more of the people on this board are larping retards that have made no meaningful contributions to science and dedicate their free time to shitting on anyone who tries.

>>16687100
My understanding is you need it to work for a hospital but not to work for a contractor

>>16688940
i've enjoyed it a lot because i've had the opportunity to work with really bright minds on some really fascinating peoblems. my background is in vacuum and interface science, broadly speaking. it's not a common opportunity for most chemists, my work is very chemical engineering adjacent, and I didn't go to one of the company's strategic hiring schools (they mostly do on campus hires from really good "high ranking" universities) but I published a lot of good work in grad school so I was able break into their world. for reference i published over 20 papers in grad school with over 5 first author papers.

>be new at a company

>send out an email that basically says “hey we should pay a little bit for this extra check before we do this critical event or else it costs us 3x as much and pushes the project schedule”

>everyone says “nah”

>critical event happens and the thing i said would happen happens.

I swear to god this has to happen at least 3-4 times before people listen

>>16689449
blackpill: they still won't listen because they don't want to spend the capital up front and can only justify spending once the critical event has already happened

>>16689449
>I swear to god this has to happen at least 3-4 times before people listen
Eventually you'll be as jaded as everyone else and not give a fuck.

>>16685934 (OP)

> have always had a fascination with computers since I was a child
> took them apart, and put them back together, built my own PC
> never did well in school due to laziness and missing the fundamentals
> fucked around and barely graduated HS with a 2.1 gpa
> decided to try my luck in insurance these last 8 years since graduating
> 25 years of age, realizing i'm not socially equipped to be successful at sales
> would like a degree and build an actual career

I'm thinking of joining my local community college program to do 2 years, then transferring to a university to pursue Computer engineering/EE bachelors (have not decided) with a hazy grasp on Algebra 1.

Chat am I cooked? I think it's the only thing that gets my attention, and I'd think i'd regret it if I didn't give it a try, but even reading the course lists online makes my stomach hurt.

>>16689541
>goes for degrees with a ton of scaffolding and skills that need to be built over years of work.

Just go be a nurse.

>>16689541
>Computer engineering/EE bachelors (have not decided) with a hazy grasp on Algebra 1
I would not say this is impossible but I can assure you that I will be very, very impressed indeed if you can pull this off, and would also like to shake your hand. Great ambitions are good, just keep in mind that you will have to put in a truly olympic effort.

>>16687587
I did mine in 90 pages from introduction to conclusion. Around 20 of those pages were SEM images, diagrams and full-page plots. Not including a short appendix with some code and a derivation. Passed with no corrections.
Most theses are bloated with irrelevant or excessively-detailed fluff. Include what is pertinent and needed to understand, contextualise and replicate the research you present, nothing more.

>>16685934 (OP)
I'm now doing a masters in "pure" math (functional analysis) and I'm thinking about doing an applied math masters in computational science (not computer science) would this help with any job prospects with high-performance computing for example or would it mostly be for fun?

>>16689308
Ah I see, sounds like you excelled as a student.

>>16689541
You should apply for byu instead because you're going to need some divine intervention to graduate.

>>16689541
I'm going to be honest with you, it's going to be very hard to land a decent job like that.
If you want to still work with computers, you could look at farming IT related certs (going to community college will help with that).

>>16689680
haha nigga
"Functional analysis"
Bro yeah its rising yeah bro xd and curve :D

>>16689970
got his ass lol

holy fuck being a stemcel in fortune 500 corporate america is so brutal
your manager's entire job is to make sure you never exercise any engineering judgement or logical thinking at all. just copy and paste data into excel sheet formulas

>>16690341
you at least have to use a bit of logical thinking to understand what the formulas do and what goes into them

>>16685934 (OP)
Give it to me straight, is 28 too old to start a 4 years PhD? My bachelor was shit, but I finished my masters with honours and I like research. The field is engineering, and promising. I wonder what employers will think a 32 yo who has just finished a PhD.

>>16690500
Unc, you're pushing 30, you've got one foot in the grave already. Shouldn't you be hanging out with your grandkids? It's creepy and pdfilic to want to get into science at your age

>>16690500
>engineering phd @ 32
This is absolutely fine

>>16690624

>>16690500
>I wonder what employers will think a 32 yo who has just finished a PhD.
That'll depend, were you working in industry while getting your PhD? If yes, you'll be fine. If not, were you working before you got your undergrad degree? If not, why?

I took a probability course as part of my BSEE and didn't learn a single thing. I understood nothing the entire time. Just desperately tackling problems algorithmically like a bot and praying to ride the curve to a passing grade.
At the time I blamed myself for being a stupid person, but now I think most everyone in the class was in the same boat and it was largely a result of A) having an incomprehensible asian professor who likely barely understood the material himself and B) being in the gauntlet of a full-time schedule and having no time to even process the information.
Now I'm taking a course covering the same material as part of my MBA and not only do I understand the concepts fully, I actually find them enjoyable. The professor is white who has a deep understanding of the material on a conceptual level, can easily contextualize it within other mathematical concepts, and can organize the material in a way that reinforces itself.
I'm starting to think other majors are getting better educations than us and the engineering curriculum is set up in a punitive way that is designed to make you dumb.

Where/how do I find original comp-sci/ai materials for myself to study that go beyond my University Curriculum? I find the lack of creativity and originality limiting. I am going to PhDmaxx later

>We've decided to not go with your application
but its sunday. nobody even looked at it

>>16690952
Thanks

>>16691295
>were you working in industry while getting your PhD?
Sorry, not an expert, is doing an industry PhD (that is, a PhD in some private company with the collaboration of an affiliated university) considered "working"? In that case, the answer is yes. However I would not have a regular contract, I would still be a PhD student.

>were you working before you got your undergrad degree? If not, why?
No, I just took a shit ton of time to finish my undergrad, because of poor life choices and not being too intelligent.

My subject has an ARWU/Shanghai rank of 151-200. Is it over?

>>16690500
I’ve said this once and I’ll say it again.

YOU WILL NEVER RETIRE

At 32 you still have another forty (40) fucking years of career ahead of you. The thing about engineering is you are going to do it till you get dementia or die. After 20 years, if you are any damn good at your job, you’re going to have a network of people and some buddy of yours is going to pop out of the wood work and offer you a ludicrous amount of money for doing maaaaybe 20 hours of work a week. The benefit/effort ratio will be so heavily skewed in your favor you can’t turn it down.

I'll never have a job

>>16691757
because I'm European, reading these horrible motivational posts by Americans is soul wrenching. They'll never get it what's it like to live here

>>16691759
Basically imagine if your whole continent was the rust belt except with more corruption and financial crime

>>16685934 (OP)
is there any career overlap between computational physics and materials?

>>16691752
I'm not sure I understand what the conclusion of your reasoning is supposed to be.
>At 32 you still have another forty (40) fucking years of career ahead of you
Yes, and? I'm not scared of running out of time to develop my career, I'm scared about what employers might think of a PhD finished that late.

>>16686200
same i maxed out at $20
seems like anything more absolutely requires a degree, or you suck dicks and get in good with the boss and nab a promotion to middle management based on clout alone.

>>16690500
guise, is 39 too late...

are engineering office jobs the comfiest? it's like working on a class project sipping coffee but instead of constantly worrying about failing you're getting paid

>>16692052
Boring and soul crushing. Suitable for the average beta cuck stemcel.

>>16692039
Probably not too late for a PhD in engineering or business. Probably too late for mathematics or science.

>>16692194
what's the exciting one then?

>>16692216
B2b sales

>>16691752
This is untrue and will not be the case for the majority of people in this thread.

>>16692037
I have a stem degree :|
Used to be a dev. Can't find work doing that, otherwise everything is so specialized you just get trapped doing dead end bs for no money. Only option is to go back to school and maybe it will work out this time. But desu I don't wanna do that.

>>16691752
>After 20 years,
I have reached that point.
>if you are any damn good at your job,
I like to think I am.
>you’re going to have a network of people
Sure.
>and some buddy of yours is going to pop out of the wood work and offer you a ludicrous amount of money for doing maaaaybe 20 hours of work a week
That has not happened to me or anyone else that I know.

>>16692467
It happened to bunch of people I know in liberal arts, they make 20k month, travel and paint a pretty picture or two

>>16691772
>is there any career overlap between computational physics and materials?
I am guessing here but I think solid state physics, especially in the semicondutor industry, would match that profile. That also includes the suppliers such as photolithography and materials analysis.

Is going into computer architecture or chip design in a ee program a financial and career disaster? I heard ee people rarely find jobs unless they’re a field engineer for buildings, factories, etc and that computer arch and chip design jobs are only outside the USA.

What if I want to make handheld video game devices as a biz man? Already working in finance but I feel like that field could be helpful if I want to be entrepreneurial and understand how the field/stuff works

>>16693540
Most likely you will be able to leverage your skills in FPGA programming in general and not just for designing a new ISA. I just checked, and around here there are plenty of FPGA jobs.

I want to get into quantum computing. I have the remarkable luck that my university has major projects in different architecture types.

Tell me which of the following is the most promising to get into for the future:

-Ion-Trapped Nuclei
-NV-Carbon Crystals
-Persistent Organic Radicals

Thanks.

>>16691752
>and some buddy of yours is going to pop out of the wood work and offer you a ludicrous amount of money for doing maaaaybe 20 hours of work a week.
I have a buddy who's been trying to tempt me into private sector consulting for years

>>16693870
It is difficult to preduct, epecially the future. That doesn't stop us from trying.
>-Ion-Trapped Nuclei
It is an interesting field that has existed for many years for use in laser cooling and tweezers.
>-NV-Carbon Crystals
I believe this is a faily new field. That makes it high risk and potentially high payoff. Carbon still has a few tricks up its sleeve and what you learn might be applicable in fullerenes and 2D systems.
>-Persistent Organic Radicals
Not sure about this field.

Summing up: you are young and can survive a failure. I did the same years ago and I failed as my field imploded leaving few survivors but got a lot of interesting experiences and finally a good job in industry

>>16693870

Not really my field but I think the order you've listed those in is about the order of more established to less established. In a research context more established usually means more literature to fall back on and less chance of the whole field being a complete dud but also greater competition for increasingly slim pickings. For an academic career I think a "new" sub-field offers greater opportunities for carving out your personal niche and brand which is important for securing long-term research positions. I would also stress that the group you work at is a very important part of this, a good topic at a bad group and a PI who gives no shits will still kill your academic career immediately in 90% of cases.

From a non-academic employment point of view conventional wisdom would be that established technologies are a safer bet as some industries take a long time to make changes, but in this particular case the whole field is very much up in the air. If you are inclined this way, I'd look at what kinds of backgrounds they have at companies you'd be interested in working for.

>>16693870
>>16694477

Adding to this, I do know things about organic semiconductors. Radicals are something I've seen attracting increasing interest in recent years. I think it's young and sexy enough to go for at the moment and ride the wave. Whether it will provide viable solutions to this particular problem I could not begin to guess, but that's not really what academic research is about.

I hate the field of organic semiconductors. In theory, it's great. Completely novel organic molecules can be cooked up in many cases without anything more expensive than a synthesis PhD student chained to a radiator. You can meaningfully tune your materials with a huge degree of freedom. Making samples is mostly stirring powder into a cuvette with solvent. Useable characterization methods range from possible to do in your garage to requiring a national level facility with a sweet spot in between. Computational methods exist which can produce plausible enough answers provided you ask sensible questions and lend an appearance of rigor, but are unreliable enough that if they don't fit your prejudices you can wave your hands. Industry relevance is easy to argue in theory when you can squirt gunk onto a substrate, attach some wires and call it a device for research purposes (and report numbers for the best one out of 200).

In practice, my experience has almost exclusively been that proper understanding of these systems would require a physicist or at least a rigorous theoretical chemist but the field is overrun by promoted bench chemists who barely know what a photon is. High-impact work is often interpreted (by editors and peer reviewers) in a very formulaic way which in my opinion results in frequently forced and formulaic article structures if you want a "big paper". Such investigations almost invariably involve multiple groups/people (synthesis, characterization, computation, devices) which dilutes the message, produces organizational mess and fighting over ownership.

>>16685934 (OP)
Is AI actually going to radically change the workplace? If so, what STEM degrees will be cooked and which will be safe with more sophisticated AI?

>>16694864
Just don't be an Indian code monkey and you'll be fine. Tech layoffs right now are more because companies don't want to invest during a trade war, and they want to cut non-mission critical engineers and juniors.

Job market will recover over the next 3-5 years, so don't worry too much. Just work a few shit gigs build build skills; your time will come.

I got a FAANG internship and frankly, after all that society has put me through, it's the least that I deserve.

>16695853
No one gives a fuck faggot you tried to flex that in the last general. The fact that you posted this here again clearly indicates your desire to be validated by others which speaks volumes about the type of pathetic dweeb that you are.

t. mech engineer
went to an "industry mixer" at a bougie bar on Tuesday. knew almost nobody there but the booze was free.
drank way too much, ranted to my wife on the way home about how much I fucking hate these office-drone midwits I was stuck "schmoozing" with that have more money than I can fathom.
got home and threw up for half an hour, trying in a haze to figure out if I'm truly this miserable or not.

I think I'm just pissed because I make good money after such a long grind of growing up poor, but I still can't get ahead between rent and taxes. the debt I accrued through uni is sapping my joi de vivre

>>16696229
sorry for diaryposting, I just needed to write this somewhere.

>>16696091
Deranged schizo post

I got an internship at faang too, what a cool coincidence. Shame it drives some of the anime watching chomos that infest this board to conniptions...

Woah no way, I also got a faang internship and have been badly persecuted by society. What are the odds.

I'm going to prison for a while next week, but after that I'll probably start my faang internship too.

No, *I* have a FAANG internship!

Just a soon as I get done working 7 days a row of 12 hour shifts on the oil derrick I'll be starting my faang internship, and not a moment too soon.

...im starting a WITCH internship...

I'm starting my internship as an academic marxist next month

I'll be appearing in the next season of fishtank as the male josie.

A faang internship just flew over my house.

After a lifetime of mistreatment at the hands of girl bullies, physical ed teachers, even the posters on this board... Suffering the indignity of early onset male menopause... I have acquired a FAANG internship...

Hey guys, i am finishing the first year of my master's program in computational mathematcis. I have a bachelor's in pure mathematics. I want to go into the industry after i graduate, but i am having trouble choosing a sibject for ma master's thesis. I am split between formal verification of some cryptographic protocol and some machine learning/deep learning/data science algorithms and optimisation and stuff.
Which would look better on my CV, and what is more sought after? Thanks in advance.

>>16696297
have you tried to apply for a FAANG internship?

>>16696091
Jealousy's a disease get well soon hun

>work a job for 5 years
>get offered another job with a 10% pay bump
>take it
>work that job for 2 years
>get offered another job with a %15 pay bump
>take it
>work that job for 10 months
>get offered another job for %20 more than that
>take it

What the fuck is going on? Should I just keep doing this or what?

>>16696669
why not?

>>16696669
Keep doing this until you can trade up to a FAANG internship

>>16694945
In 3 years I will have been out of software for 6. I'm so cooked

Just head about those 9 figure salaries to work on AI at meta and now I'm not so smug about my FAANG internship

>>16696857
Surely you can secure a FAANG internship

>>16696297
It's probably too late, but have you considered computational topology? Much less soulless career prospects with that.

>>16696911
Yeah second this, sounds like the kind of thing that might lead to a faang internship

I graduated in physics and now I'm contemplating doing a masters degree on renewable energy. Is this a good idea?

How do white stemlords cope with being slaves for propped up non-whites that despise you and their elite masters that outright want you dead (or mixing to create their ideal future favela slave class) ?

>>16696939
Depends on which country your live or how good your Chinese is.

>>16696943
Country:Spain
English:C2
Chinese:Just below HSK5

>>16696945
Considering Spain is a country with high youth unemployment including for academics, that there are not a lot of companies, that are favorable to physics grads and it has somewhat significant investments in Renewable Energy I would say that this would be a sensible decision from my limited outsider understanding.

>>16696939
be prepared for an environment where government money is nearly non existent

>>16696945
>Spain
unless you have a vagina you're uber fucked

>>16696857
Start your own company. There are still tons of low hanging fruits to be picked.

chat is this real?

>>16697152
NTA but I'd like to start my own company. Approaching the skills and competence necessary but it's slow. Doesn't help that I'm not in software.

If we are being honest starting your own company is one of the most satanic things you can do.

>be officecel engineer
>boss says I have been doing a good job and decides to take me on a little trip to go see the actual project site
>on-site work is 100% more fun, everything is paid for you, you get to travel and see new places
holy shit I need to find a job that lets me do this all the time

>>16697362
and that's a good thing

>>16697362
Strange take. I tried (I am >>16697152) and we crashed out, thankfully before taking funding from the 3 F's: Fools, Friends, and Family. Still it was an interesting experience and it didn't have any negative impact on my later career, to the contrary it gave me a lot of insight in things I didn't know anything about before.

>>16697574
It's not strange at all, you are pouring your god given time into the open mouth of mammon. You are in Babylon.

It may not have had a negative impact to your corporeal life, but you will be going to tusita hell. Enjoy trying to attain stream-entry then.

>>16697199
It's in the process of having it's research and personnel funding cut in half, I don't know why this would surprise anyone.

>>16697653
>you are pouring your god given time into the open mouth of mammon
I didn't found the startup to get rich, I did it to make a job for myself and my co-founders. The rest of what you wrote was a bit too esoteric for me.

>>16697774
Well then I guess that everything's just fine and dandy.

>>16697657
but 0 jobs across how many agencies? not even janitors?

I am an undergraduate in chemisty with a minor in economics. I have been a part-time worker in the metallography lab in automotive for a year, doing microscopy and basic lab work. I want switch it up and get some more higher tier experience.

Should I go for data analyst-adjacent roles?

>>16697863
NASA's being told they need to cut their workforce by a third to a half and has been told employees have until the end of July to accept voluntary retirement/separation/etc.

>>16697894
lmao data analytics are getting laid off left and right; analytics are nice but not essential to traditional businesses outside of tech.

Go do bioinformatics and go to health IT / genomics.

>>16698255
Lol go look at the bioinformatics subreddit and see how much they like it jobs wise

>>16698255
AFAIK all bio- stuff is even worse down the shitter.

>>16698276
>Reddit

They're low IQ pajeets, don't care.

>>16698288
Alright then look anywhere else bioinformatics people congregate you obstinate moron

Am I shooting myself in the foot by studying nuclear engineering? Should I just do mechanical instead?

I live in the US.

>>16698401
Move to Iran, I hear they got recent job openings in that sector.

>>16698347
tell that to the PhD in computational biology or neuroscience.

It's a new field without defined positions so you need to build your career from the ground up with targeted skillsets and experiences.

fucking low IQ morons expecting a land a good job after getting a basic bitch BSc with zero internships or research. Go somewhere else if you want to be spoon-fed a job.

>>16698407
i hear the job security's not great.

>>16698645
I hear there's a chance for your career to really take off on a trajectory.

>>16698519
Give us some data you bloviating fool

>>16698671
It can, but you've got to ignore all the flak thrown your way and stay on target.

>applying for a PhD
>university platform has been down since Friday
>deadline is in like 12 hours
>can't complete the application
Absolute nightmare scenario lmao. This is what I get for taking my sweet-ass time

>>16698749
Call the office first thing Monday morning and politely explain the situation and ask if you can still submit your application materials via email.

And next time don't wait until the deadline to submit shit.

>>16694864
Change? Yes. Radically change? Possible, but not certain. Most jobs will have to make some adjustments, but the idea that AI is going to completely replace 90% of jobs is completely off base.

>>16699037
No it's not. Your job will probably go first, seeing as your tempting fate.

I deeply regret pursuing STEM.

Anyone tried doing some independent research?
Physics Msc working @ big tech for some years now, still good connections at uni and miss doing some research but I don't want to give up my industry career. I've beent in contact with the research groups and gotten some problems that aren't getting enough attention I could take a look at

>third class mathematics degree from a top uk uni

I got a pretty good job immediately after graduating (they didn't check grades) but I still feel so ashamed of my classification. Is there any hope of redeeming myself, higher tier positions are often locked behind masters degrees and i feel stuck

>>16699247
>third class
Bro how, did you just fuck around and not go to lectures?
Grats on the job though, good job performance will make people look past your degree class. Or overwrite it with a masters.

>>16699247
I got a 2.1 and worked in a call centre go fuck yourself.

>>16699382
Reactions like that is why I feel ashamed, a third is basically unheard of and I actually tried really hard but every time I got my grades back it was like the subjects I revised harder for got worse marks than the ones I didn't, and they kept changing the formats due to covid. I had ok-ish grades but it all fell apart in my final year when both semesters they put the 5 100% exams back to back, from Thursday until the following Wednesday, idk if thats common or not for maths. I have tried not to think about it but I feel quite depressed honestly, and I had pretty shit mental health during uni too.

>overwrite it with a masters
I'd love to do this but I have no idea how I'd get into one with a third

anyone here in an MD-PhD program? how bad is it?

>>16699247
>>16699457

Nobody will give two shits about your grades with a few years of work experience behind you. The one exception is unfortunately applying to study at universities. If you're at a decent job you are already redeemed. I'm not saying it's impossible to be admitted for a masters but for that particular thing your grades will stand out and not in a good way.

>>16699141
I don't think it is impossible but in this day an age it is a massively uphill battle. From experience in trying to tie up old research after starting a job, it is really hard to do research outside your day job. Publishing already gets drawn out and then when it's all on your free time it can lead to geological timescales. I think a single non-academic author on a paper will also get editors really biased against you. But it varies by field.

>>16699117
Why? STEM is hard but other fields such as finance is facing an implosion.

>>16699141
>Anyone tried doing some independent research?
Small scale experiements are quite possible:
https://simplifier.neocities.org/
The dudes behind LK-99 spent over 25 years researching this material.

>recently graduated chemfag (bachelor’s)
>shit academics, but some work experience
>apply for manufacturing job
>12 hour shifts, weekend nights
>get interview
>one interview says work experience lines up “eerily well” with job
>get rejected
>job opening is still posted a month later

Genuinely what is wrong with me?

>>16699624
did you make it to the in person interview or was it virtual?

Anyone else absolutely shitting the bed when it comes to applying for new positions? Have some pretty good creds, 3 years in research and a publication in a biotech centric area of the country and I just cannot get anywhere. Even had some recruiters reach out to me for phone interviews but those didn't go anywhere either. I hate my current lab and I feel stuck, + feel a bit cucked by trump, wondering if anyone is feeling the same/going through similar experiences

>>16699638
Virtual

>>16699577
Doing it has made me sad and bitter.

Physicists need to pipe down and realize that none of them are the next Feynman.
I've had it up to here with all these failed physicists occupying public research institute positions and pretending to be more important and smarter than everyone else.
And more importantly they should stop hogging compute resources for their failed simulation experiments that never lead to anywhere.

Listen up you little shits:
1. You literally have no results what so ever to qualify your arrogance with. Your top cited paper is literally a survey of benchmarks.
2. This is the 21st century, not the 20th century. This is the century of big compute, computer science, big data and deep learning. You are the past. And by "you", I actually mean the physicists worth shit nor the bunch of failed physicists that you are.

And no I am not interested in learning that you once got an invitation to give at talk at <actually prestigious institute> and you could have landed a position at said institute if only <banal excuse> did not happen.

-- signed: a frustrated postdoc at a national computing lab

>>16699826
This post hurts. Doing my physics PhD just made me wish I was born in the good old times where you could work on exciting things.

That said, deep learning is pretty fun. Jumping ship wasn't too hard thankfully.

>>16699640
remember to trust the plan, if ur lucky elon will let you sleep in his office with the rest of the indians, MAGA!

>>16699826
>Physicists need to pipe down
No
>and realize that none of them are the next Feynman.
That is not needed. I simply find immense pleasure in the fact that I did Physics.
>I've had it up to here with all these failed physicists occupying public research institute positions and pretending to be more important and smarter than everyone else.
B-but we are! And we are also in great positions outside research institutes.
>And more importantly they should stop hogging compute resources for their failed simulation experiments that never lead to anywhere.
Back in the day when I did my PhD, there was an ongoing warfare between Physicists and chemists in grabbing hold of compute slots.

t.Physicist

>>16699826
>This is the century of big compute, computer science, big data and deep learning. You are the past.
Compfags always go on these long, jerkoff rants about how big and complicated and perfect their simulations and computer models are and how theory and experimentation is going the way of the dinosaur and MUH NEW PARADIGM, and yet they can never answer the most basic, fundamental questions about their own results.

>>16700213
Immense pleasure? Physic's really nailing your g-spot huh?

>>16700242
I wrote immense pleasure, not orgasmic pleasure. The difference may be subtle but it is still there.

The meme is fucking real. I overestimated the CS department while I was doing Math.

For whatever reasons I'm doing a double major in math and cs, don't ask I don't like it either. I already did 3 years of coursework in math. And I've done one whole year of coursework in CS now so I can tell you CS is really dogshit tier.

Everyone is retarded, got there because they like videogames, and complain about the "hard courses" which are like 1% as difficult as the easiest math department's course. Some professors are so pseud that it's embarrassing. All things specific to the overrated CS courses like algorithms, discrete math, and language (computing) theory, all to the minute words in the meme are real.

>>16686189
Yes and don't listen to the unemployment memes. I have friends from the three, Physics, Math and CS departments. They all get good entry level jobs doing data analytics or software development, out of school with minimum additions to their CV. CS grads usually don't get to the data analytics jobs as easily as the Math and Physics majors, in fact I don't know anyone that goes there because they all fear numbers.

So I could even tell you that physics and math majors make more money out of college than CS majors, just research the industry to market yourself and have the right projects to get started, professors might even recommend you directly into the industry where I live.

Just don't fall in love with pure math like an autist and enter grad school, it's kind of sad seeing my friends follow that route.

>>16700509
(((Math))) is gay mental masturbation.
Compsci is straight and based.

What is the best 2nd MSc to get after a math PhD? Physics or CS?

>>16700692
Btw, I look like this and work as an engineer.

>>16700694
Based. Trading out real red blooded innovative, high test fat nerds for alpha make fuckboys is exactly why the west is collapsing. And no I don't give a fuck if you're joking, I'm serious.

>>16700611
Yeah sure.

>>16691446
look at graduate courses from high ranked universities like Stanford or MIT
read papers on arXiv, try to reimplement the ideas in these papers
patch bugs in opensource repos
>>16691739
that's totally fine for undergrad if you put in even a little effort
for grad school it depends on the supervisor and other group members, some groups at bad universities are decent while other are full of lazy retards who are just coasting
t. went to 151-200 undergrad and now in 300-400 grad school
>>16691772
yes, lots of big semiconductor labs have 1-2 DFT guys, I'd guess there's interest in other areas of materials as well
>>16693540
if you wanna start a handheld business just find an engineer cofounder and handle the finance side. you'll still learn a lot
>>16693870
all of these are academia memes which produce cool papers but not useful QCs (that would be superconducting and spin qubits)
do whichever has the best PI then go elsewhere for grad school

Undergraduate math major here, I want to publish a "paper" about spherical n-tuple pendulum, its lagrange equations, their simulation (in my physics engine) and balancing them with ML methods and post it in arxiv. Nothing new here but I'll do substantial work.
This will be my first paper if I do this, is this a retarded idea? What would future graduate admission offices would think of this or my future supervisors think of this?
Should I just do it?

>>16700895
no one cares about preprints without peer review. submit it to a reasonable journals with yourself as the corresponding author. you don't have any affiliation to attach to your name so who knows how seriously any serious editor will take it

is it normal to ask for a letter of recommendation for a master's program from your thesis supervisor years after graduation or is it too late? I got a job on a related field I liked shortly after graduation so I didn't do it back then

>>16700902
It is not a serious work anyways, so its OK to publish it in arxiv? I just dont want to get ghosted by supervisors in the future for this thing I am doing right now

>>16700943
of course it's ok, you can go through all the trouble to do so. my point is it's irrelevant, as if you never published anything at all

>>16700895
>is this a retarded idea?
Yes. At best, future admissions offices and supervisors will ignore it, at worst, they'll consider it evidence that you're not a good candidate.

>>16700992
>they'll consider it evidence that you're not a good candidate
Really? I'd say that if that is their attitude you would never be happy working there, and you should be grateful you dodged the bullet.
I got a lot of rejections back in the day but in hindsight and with the later knowledge I got about those places, I am really happy I didn't get those jobs. Fate has a strange way of working out in the end.

>>16700895
Do you have any professors in your uni working on tangential research areas? Frankly, the best move would be to contact them first, have them review your work (and possibly collaborate with you), and submit it to a reputable journal before publishing it on arxiv.

I'm an undergrad looking to write a paper. My advisor is helping me with that, he proposed two problems that are paper material. In one of those problems I'd be working with him, another professor and two grad students. In the other problem I'd be working only with him and another professor.
Would there be any downside to not work with the grad students? The second problem appeals more to me. The first is about quantum mechanics, resonance energy transfer. The other is about orbits in spinning black holes, looking at how the Laplace-Runge-Lenz vector varies

>>16701109
>Would there be any downside to not work with the grad students?
Depends entirely on the people in question.

>The second problem appeals more to me.
Seeing as it was proposed by your advisor and you regard it as viable, this is the next most relevant factor.

>>16701639
>Depends entirely on the people in question.
Depends on what factors? One of these grad students studied with my brother in physics undergrad and then went abroad, to one of the countries I'm thinking of going to for grad school.
I'm just worried that by not working with these two grad students I'd be losing something of value really

>>16701715
>Depends on what factors
Whether they are fuckheads. That can be the case, and if you know that it is then you should steer clear. If it isn't then you can later find out that they are pleasant people and good friends, or priceless networking contacts, or just white-noise body filler whom you'll forget a month after you're done. You can't know in advance and there's no point in guessing.

>I'm just worried that by not working with these two grad students I'd be losing something of value really
You lose "something of value" either way. With both problems being viable and approved, the most important factor is which problem you like better.

do biologists choose what they get to research? if they don't, i might go into finance so i can own a biology company and tell them what to do instead.

>>16701792
>i might go into finance so i can own a biology company
Brother, biotech stock is NOTORIOUSLY unpredictable and inconsistent.

Is your early to mid 30s too old to enter engineering, specifically aerospace?
I absolutely fucked up both my A-levels (UK version of SATs) and then dropped out my actual degree course (which was aero) and currently have no formal qualifications of any kind.
By the time I can realistically finish getting the qualifications to return to university I will be at least 28 and a 3 or 4 year degree on top of that will put me beyond 31 before I can even enter the workforce.
Is there any point in doing all of this or am I doomed to shitty office admin for the rest of my life?

>>16702207
>Is your early to mid 30s too old to enter engineering
Not at all, you'll be behind people your age in terms of 401k and pay by like 4 years. Who cares? By 10 years of experience it literally doesn't matter anymore.

>>16702207
Being 30 is not a problem
Studying in the UK is not a problem
Trying to get a job in the UK is a major problem, so be prepared to leave the UK as soon as you graduate.

>>16701792
I love this idea you STEM-tards have that getting a job in finance is just something you can breezily decide to do as a back up plan.

>>16701715
>Depends on what factors?
Like the other anon said, whether they're assholes or not. Some grad students are just huge pieces of shit when it comes to working with undergrads, they sort of just forget that they were in the same position a few years prior. But others are really good about working with undergrads and passing along their experience.

The fact that you have some connections with at least one of them means it's probably not a bad fit.

What's the minimum h-value you would accept your PI to have when starting your PhD?

>>16701792
Biologists below the PhD level barely are qualified enough to get jobs as rat feeders, let alone being let into finance jobs. You are totally delusional bro.

>>16701109
grad students barely know more than undergrads

>>16702338
>Studying in the UK is not a problem
Hot news just in
>Majority of British universities slip down global rankings
https://archive.is/E8xbJ
>Sixty per cent of UK universities featured in a leading global ranking have seen their position slip this year, as the sector struggles to keep up with increasing competition from Asia and mounting financial pressures.
>The ratings of 54 out of the 90 British universities in the annual QS World University Ranking fell, including almost half of the elite Russell Group of research-intensive institutions.

New Antimatter
https://antimatterwebcomics.com/

>>16702538
h-index has gotten gameified so much it's not very useful and in any case this is entirely field-dependent

>>16685934 (OP)
Is the T in STEM dead from a career perspective?

>>16702973
No, wall street is just retarded and throws money at anything that has 'LLM' or 'deep learning' or 'machine neural network' in the description.

Start your PhD in comp sci or math now, by the time you finish the market will have corrected itself and you'll be making 250K starting.

>>16703060
>market will have corrected itself and you'll be making 250K starting.
Who wants to tell him?

>>16702673
Going to a British university was one of the worst decisions I have made in my life. Absolutely hoodwinked, they took the world's brightest sunshine boy and turned him into a twisted up stemcel freak

>>16702538
>The h-index is intended to measure simultaneously the quality and quantity of scientific output. The Kendall's correlation of h-index with scientific awards in physics was found at 34 percent in 2010 and zero percent in 2019.[6]
>[6] https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8238192/ - "The h-index is no longer an effective correlate of scientific reputation"
>and zero percent in 2019
Stupid macadamia nutcases.

>>16699624
Nothing wrong with you it's how companies act nowadays.

guys am i cooked?

Non-existent jobs in London, Housing will never go down, Shitstarmer is basically another fuckin useless PM (6 in a row now).

Is my only option to do a CS PhD in the US to secure either a OPT F-1 Visa and\or EB2-NIW?

>>16703653
Just go work in G*rmany or whatever.

>>16703662
germany is even even worse, have you seen the islamisization there too? it's fucking worse..

Oh and Brexit, why hire a faggot like me when you can hire a cheaper Baltic faggot whos 3rd language is awful german

I love seeing europoors crying in both /med/ and /scg/
feels good not living in a "developed" shithole

>>16703653
You could try Norway. Professors complain they are inundated by Iranian applicants, though recent event might put the brakes on them.

>>16703662
>>16703653

Coincidentally, I am here to vent about my fuckup, going to Germany instead of the UK for my Masters.
I'm from Italy. I could have gone to both, but BREXIT was on the verge of passing so I thought at the time that Germany was the safer bet.

Worst decision of my life. German academia is shit. They have funding, but they do not have talent.* I'm talking about CS/AI here. Nobody who has any talent sticks in Germany so the Profs there have no connections. So even after completing my PhD, I have really shit prospects now, because there's barely a soul in academia who has any connection to industry.

Meanwhile in the UK, ever noname assistant Profs (which is the equivalent of a postdoc in Germany) has connections and alumni already working at FAANG or this new crop of AI companies.

So definitely DO NOT come to Germany. It's a shit place. You will end up working for Lidl IT.

If you can, absolutely do go to the US. If not stay in the UK and browse for PIs with good industry connections.


* For example, I am a lowly PhD candidate in a group of some 25 people and there are multiple PostDocs constantly waiting on me to do their work for them (I do not actually do their work for them, I'm not a SIMP) because they couldn't code their ass out of a wet paperback. But they have some PhD in particle physics or whatever else bullshit qualification, that they got purely by never giving up despite never producing anything deserving of a Doctorate.

>>16703653
OPT is likely the next target in the crosshairs of termination

>>16704190
germans are extremely good at very specific things but CS/AI is not one of them

>>16704394
>OPT is likely the next target in the crosshairs of termination

How is that supposed to work?
Americans all drop out of school after a BSc.
Who is going to do all the shit that actually requires a PhD?
You cannot design a chip with a BSc, nor can you use one effectively.

>>16704394
really? i'm assuming you mean from ICE and the Trump admin

>>16704190
>here's a (You) for effortposting.

>>16704409
>>16704190

I heard actually that German CS students have basically no jobs because investment is dried up.

As for UK PhDs i am torn, i would like to but i fear that i might waste 4-5 years and end up getting the EXACT same shitty £25k a year job that i was hoping to avoid by specializing. On the other hand I am slightly fearful that i may not acquire a PhD there.

>Study chemical engineering.
>Get out in the automotive and O&G industry as a process engineer.
>Realize statistics and 1/16th of the chemical engineering knowledge from college are the only applicable methods for determining process anomalies and variation in your process.
>Barely remember stats outside of normal, binomial distributions, correlations, etc.
>Really insecure when using distributions for determining process variations.
>Just do a normal distribution and it just works when I know what's going on.
>Did a crash course on statistics through youtube and Myke King's book Statistical approach to Process Controls.
To any would be chemical engineer out there. Remember your stats class and learn it like the bible. I'd argue that if you learn stats well. You're ahead of about 75%-85% of the process engineers out there. Simply because you can determine process issues overlooked or discarded by even the most seasoned process engineers.

leaf here, SE with PE & 6yrs of embedded linux work (C/C++)

how difficult would it be for me to get a US job where they sponsor me on an H1B (not TN)? Also in general what cities tend to be hubs for that type of work? I figure less FAGMAN cities and more industrial tech cities (i.e. detroit) or wherever AMD/Intel are would be key spots for it

I am glad my math career stalled so I could launch a second career in computational physics. WAGMI.

>>16704538
>not very difficult for a leafnigger
>you can apply for your green card/h1b from canada i believe
>finding a job to sponsor you will be pretty difficult if you don't already have h1b
>michigan or texas are probably your best bet

How do I get into a physics degree program with a Information System degree?

>>16704190
>Lidl IT.

>I'd rather work for the multi-billion online bookstore turned cloud service provider than the multi-billion grocery store turned cloud service provider.


Ok, buddy you gotta come back to reality and understand that all this gay data shit's point is to solve actual real life problems like those of supply chains of large retail companies.

>>16705288
You pick a physics graduate program that is very Information theory adjacent obviously

>>16704190
You have a very rosy view of CS/AI academia in the UK.

>>16704517
Pretty much the reason why I'm going back for a Msc in statistics; 1-2 courses on statistics is literally worse off than knowing nothing at all. I feel like I just walked out of the mentally handicapped classroom the second someone asks me a question on some data I presented in a meeting.

My h-index reached 10 today.

To celebrate here is a picture of all the people whose life this affects in any way.

>>16705548
What countries are left to recommend? It feels like most of the world is heading for the toilet.

>>16706001
USA. China is a distant second and the rest of the world is irrelevant

I'm going to study quantum cryptography for the sole purpose of removing access to data.

my school has a physics a phd program that's 60 credits. For comparison my bachelors in physics was 120 credits
are they saying I can get a PHD in approximately years or am I being regarded?

>>16706441
2 years*

I have a question regarding interview procedures and I hope someone can share their opinions on this situation.

At the end of April I was laid off from a biotech job. In the beginning of May I was contacted by a recruiter from a large company about a similar role when they found my resume from a time when I applied in the past. Recruiter told me that she would talk to hiring manager, and that I should officially apply myself (hadn't done so yet) and then I would hear back.

I did that next day but then I waited almost two months to hear any word back from the hiring manager. That was last Thurs. He said he wanted to move forward and that I would hear a confirmation that day or the next (Friday). I did not. Then early Monday morning I get an email asking me to prepare a 15-20 min presentation on my previous work for either Tues or Wed and if I want I can push back to Thurs.

Since this job does involve a big move I have little problem cancelling, but I was just wondering whether this is acceptable practice in others' opinions. I would have been much more prepared had they followed up quicker.

penny for sci thoughts.

>>16692039
>39 -> 43
It's not too late to do it for personal satisfaction. It's almost certainly too late to start an academic career unless you have some serious expertise from the private sector.
You didn't spend your 30s pouring coffee, did you?

>>16706581
Nah cuz they're abusing your rights. Unacceptable behavior. You should throw a melty and spend the next 3 years stalking their hiring manager.

>>16706589
Lmao. I hate when they ask for a presentation when your previous work was confidential as well. Not even sure what I am supposed to pull out of my ass in two days when the company also did not let me leave with anything either lol.

To me it is a bit unprofessional.

>>16706441
it's probably 60 credits of coursework + indeterminate amount of research
just ask any professor or PhD student about this

>>16705451
I wouldn't want to work for Amazon either, but the corporate culture for tech jobs in Germany is utter shit.
A few managers with a business degree get six figures and the rest get peanuts.

>>16705548
For anything cutting edge in CS/AI, the UK is decent, of course still pales to the US, but better than pretty much every country in Europe. Think of all the non-EU talent. They vastly prefer going to the UK. Heck even EU talent prefers going to the UK over other EU countries, because fuck learning a new language just to do some schooling and spend a couple of years in academia.

I interviewed for a few PhD positions in the UK and every one of the people I talked with had a good profile with good relevant publications and industry connections.
My problem with the UK was that the application process was opaque. I did not have the guarantee that I would get funding and BREXIT also make it more expensive.

>>16706598
their HR is some retarded nigger I bet
>t. very similar situation happened to me
they didn't want me to present on my previous work (probably because they know most places don't let you talk about it) but they wanted a half hour presentation relevant to the job

>>16706581
>a 15-20 min presentation on my previous work
Ah, industrial espionage. It usually starts out as innocently as they can make it.

>>16706581
Best case scenario, they need a door mat and so their process is like this to filter out anyone who isn't such.
Lie your ass off on the presentation and demand 2x your most outrageous number.

I'm doing a PhD but I hate where it's going.
My advisor is autistically obsessed with this stupid niche that nobody else cares about and I feel like I am basically wasting my time.
I don't care that much about the research results because I do not want to stay in academia, but I want my 4 years of work to serve as some kind of experience that I can use in industry.
The industry I care about is highly competitive and I'm basically fucked if I don't have relevant experience.

Not sure what to do. I cannot change advisors. Do I just quit? Do I just try to gain experience on the side? But if I cannot publish anything relevant to the industry I care about it feels futile.

>>16706803
>My advisor is autistically obsessed with this stupid niche that nobody else cares about and I feel like I am basically wasting my time.
that's all academia is at its core

>But if I cannot publish anything relevant to the industry I care about it feels futile.
tangentially related experience can work in your favor. very, very, few industrial scientists work roles that are closely related to their grad school thesis work

>>16706685
Listen mate I didn't ask for your life story and I don't give a fuck. Go do one. You wouldn't last five seconds in Milton Keynes where it's hard.

>>16706803
Focus on industry-aligned techniques, tools, and skill sets. Most PhDs don't actually work on what they studied, and their post-doc experience tends to have a bigger impact on where they ultimately end up.

Hello /sci/. I'm currently a computer engineering student in a third world shithole. Am i fucked?

>>16706587
Do people not network with 40+ year olds or something?

Hey, sickening faggot that keeps lying about "STEM people never retiring because you'll be constantly asked to consult". Any answer to this you evil piece of shit?

>>16707154

>>16704190
>Be code slave for researchers
>Gets burned so they can write papers
>Blames them for not writing code while failing in his career
Calm down Mario

>>16707156
the era of telling potential physicists, mathematicians, chemists, etc to become engineers and programmers is coming to an end.
I see this as a win

>>16707242
No you fool, this is the start of the era of the same number of people competing for fewer and fewer positions in the "escape downward mobility" liferaft. It's about to get much more status strivery

>>16707242
Strange take. I did Physics and when I went into industry I did a few years as a programmer. Lter I got a better job. I still do a little programming fo rmy own use but then again I expect all physicists should be able to do that.

Any ideas for US industry positions for a PhD with background in CFD and data driven methods? Thinking of quitting government research

>>16707647
>CFD
How about aircraft design? Defence budgets are on the increase, more tech is being developed. CFD is also used in hull design.

>>16707441
>>16707510
I'll admit that was naive of me
but you get my point. for the past 3 decades they've been systemically funneling talent into the cs meat grinder with no end in sight
institutional coercion via salary has stunted all non-computing related scientific progress
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fs-YpQj88ew

Breaking the laws of physics is the most dangerous thing.
Therefore studying physics should be the most valuable?

Don't let yourself be tricked
>America’s brain drain can be Britain’s gain — if we move fast
They won't move fast, probably not move at all.
https://archive.is/nbVh6
> Tech workers are questioning whether a culture increasingly shaped by Elon Musk-style libertarianism reflects their values; scientists are watching research budgets freeze and vaccine scepticism rise.
Ah yes, always the nameless "tech workers" having "values" and believe scepticism is bad rather than a driving force of real science.
>Emmanuel Macron understands this.
No.
>France’s €109bn sovereign AI package, with fast-track visas attached, is more than a tech plan; it’s a geopolitical play.
It is posing only, while French academics have left France when their salaries were decimated. That, somehow, is not part of the news.

>>16708223
Researchers are moving to europe as we speak

>>16708223
I agree about the salaries in US vs. elsewhere. Especially as a young, healthy and childless professional. Once that description becomes less accurate the picture changes. Although the public systems in UK and much of EU are going down the drain fast.

>Ah yes, always the nameless "tech workers" having "values" and believe scepticism is bad rather than a driving force of real science.
Yeah, the values are worthless. But there are real issues. The research funding fuckery has a very definite impact on young researchers. Having to get a burner phone so you don't get deported by masked agents for having a picture of JD Vance with a fat face in a hidden folder on your phone is not something you need to do in a civilized country.

>>16708267
I'm going to the US next week. Getting a burner phone ready so I don't waste my ticket

>>16708223
If it gets even one tiny bit more competitive in my field I'm becoming the British joker 2019.

>>16689471
Jaded by the people who don't give a fuck.

>>16686662
Yes, mechanical engineering is a valid way to get into that. It doesn't have to be mechanical though, all branches of engineering have a place in power generation. I'm a civil engineer and I work in nuclear power. You absolutely must do summer internships. I did mine with an electrical utility company and that's what got my foot in the door.

>>16689467
This is the painful truth.

>>16698401
Depends on how risk averse you are. Nuclear is booming right now in a way that it hasn't since the 1960's. We were fooled by the "nuclear renaissance" once before in the mid 2000s, but this right now looks like it's the real deal. TVA is going to build a GE SMR at Clinch River this decade, Terrapower is building their first plant in Wyoming right now, Kairos is building two test reactors in Oak Ridge, and the government of Ontario just gave permission to Ontario's electric company to build the same GE reactors as TVA. The governor of New York just ordered the state's public utility to add 1 GW of nuclear to the grid, almost every state is repealing existing bans on nuclear power plants in their legislatures, and much more is happening. Obviously there's still tons of risk that it will all go up in smoke, but the industry needs people and they need them now. You'd be coming in at the perfect time (provided it all works out).

There are two separate degrees in my country that I want to choose from , 1.Electrical Engineering and 2. Electronics and telecommunication engineering . I am planning to take electrical , will it make a huge difference ? After taking one can I do both ?

>>16708202
>but you get my point. for the past 3 decades they've been systemically funneling talent into the cs meat grinder with no end in sight
That I can agree on, and it was in fact the surveillance economy masquerading as CS.
>institutional coercion via salary has stunted all non-computing related scientific progress
And that was the other part of the plan: to keep competitors away by locking up talent. It was a golden monopoly that went a long way to funnel the West into stagnation. Changing this will lead to a very painful period.

>>16706912

>shithole

This self-hating colonialist mindset will get you nowhere. Don't let hateful people teach you to hate yourself. Respect yourself.

Those who lack the will to achieve will compensate by tarnishing your dreams. Discipline yourself and rise above the hatred and discouragement.

So truly where there is hardship there is also ease

Surah Ash Sharh Ayah 5

>>16689449
If you sent out an email there's written proof that you were aware of this possibility and communicated it to others. If they chose to ignore it that's on them. There is no reason for you to make any extra work or stress for yourself beyond this. It is a noble thing to lead the mindless to their own demise.

>>16685934 (OP)
Could there be someone in the arts who studied the wrong thing and should instead study the sciences to help solve issues? Aren't the arts a great drain on the possible talent pool that the sciences need? Shouldn't everyone get a humanistic, scientific education in high school? Then the top students should be forced to take a science degree, in my opinion.

>>16709168
As someone who transitioned from the arts to the sciences... stick to the arts. While I don't fully regret making the shift, it was an ungodly difficult, stressful, and often depressing experience and it cost me a decade of my life that I could have spent honing an artistic craft and living an actual life instead of doing science shit.

I just got a job offer for 1 year lecturer of mathematics. Should I accept? Currently working in industry.

My advisor is a really terrible person. He has a cushy academic job and is in really solid and privileged position compared to me.
And yet he puts his desire to play scientist above my whole future life and career.

If the tables were turned, I couldn't be so cruel to my students.

>>16709168
It is possible to combine these things
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Wall
There will always be a demand for the very best in a field, be it arts, social sciences or whatever. The problem is that the supply exceeds the demand by orders of magnitude so a lot of these people end up in financial hardship and unhappyness.
Until recently when AI started making inroads, you could make a decent career as a third rate programmer but that is coming to a brutal end. Even second rate programmers will, for a period, have career problems. I have no idea where we will end up, perhaps in a Solarpunk utopia where we can be gentleman scientists living off basic income, which will not be any worse than a postdoc salary.

>Interview with local power utility for Gas Distribution Engineer job
>Panel of three engineers
>I show up early, mention how I had a federal offer rescinded but I still want to be in the public sector which they liked
>More friendly chitchat and upbeat vibe
>Formal interview starts which consists of 11 STAR questions that they have to ask robotically without follow up
>Somewhere in the middle of this I feel the vibe completely shift
>Answering to the best of my ability, making sure I reference specific scenarios
>Formal part ends, next up is a tour of the power plant
>Given PPE, we start walking and they're hardly talking to me anymore
>I'm trying to ask questions, remain interested but getting curt answers
>Ask why they have a bunch of grills sitting around everywhere on the roof where the intakes are
>Receive an uncomfortably long lecture about how they do cookouts all the time for team morale, how the plant never closes and they have to cook thanksgiving dinner there, etc
>"We'll get back to you in 6 weeks"
>1 week later
>Boilerplate rejection email
I keep running it over in my head to the point where I had a nightmare about this interview just last night. Fuck this autistic scam life, just tell me what the fuck I said that was so wrong.

Yuropoor here. I make 35k in my current role, but it's very flexible. Work from home as much as I like and it's pretty easy going, very nice team too. I like it here, just money is bad.

I got a 70k offer from Citi, but I feel like they are going to work me to the bone. And job security probably lower. 3 Days in office too.

Both jobs are in Quant Risk, but would slightly differ in the work I'm doing.

What do. I can try negotiate with current employer maybe but max I could get is like 50-55k I reckon.

>>16709466
>from Citi, but I feel like they are going to work me to the bone
They will. It is the same in Big Law. That is why pay is obscene. Those working hours are only something you can do when you are young, after 40 or 50 you have to be a partner and then lean on the juniors.

shitskin thread :D

>>16709610
I'm white but yes sadly these jobs tend to be flooded with them. It's a good metric for how bearable a job will be. Higher ratio of shitskins usually means worse working conditions and pay.

>>16709615
>Higher ratio of shitskins usually means worse working conditions and pay.

Your model is too simplistic. PhDs and PostDocs are indeed like that. But also the very top jobs in tech are high diverse and pay fucking good. For that matter even professorships at top unis are highly diverse and conditions are excellent.

I'm one year from finishing my compsci degree so i may as well stick with it. I am pissed tho.
Gonna get into circuits probably, that seems promising

Question for UK anons

Should I get a Bsc at the university of York and a Masters in Chemistry (or Pharmacology) at a higher ranked university, or just do MChem at york and gamble at the chance of getting a year in industry? I need to inform my department that i want to do the Bsc soon.

>>16709242
What country are you in

should i get into bio as a research scientist

>>16709975
Swedenstan

>>16709975
Sweden

>>16709960
What industry? You live in Britain.

Is getting a second MSc in Physics after a math PhD a good idea?

>>16710231
PhDs are terminal degrees for a reason. If you’re still going back for more it just looks like you have no fucking idea what you’re doing.

>>16710231
I think multiple degrees of the same level are a lot less impressive than undergrads seem to think. It might be impressive if you get e.g. two master's degrees at once. It is not if you get them consecutively. Similar logic for an MSc after a PhD but maybe even more so.

>>16710232
>>16710245
I would be pursuing this degree part-time while working full time and it ties in well with my job. Does that change the equation?

>>16710232
>it just looks like you have no fucking idea what you’re doing.

>>16710275
Yeah that changes the equation very meaningfully in my opinion. t. >>16710245

I am currently in a nuclear physics group focused on measuring the weak mixing angle. There is an AMO group poised to do so in the future at very low energy. I like nuclear physics and want to work on weapons, but AMO and quantum simulation are blowing up, so I think it might be beneficial to to have the skills from the AMO group even if I like nuclear the best.

Is it possible to try to work with both groups? Is it a good idea?

>>16710157
:(

>>16710231
Good idea if you enjoy fucking about and wasting time/money

>>16709463
Absolutely nothing wrong, it's just a shit job that is barely being held together by duct tape and dreams.

Classic change from HR/mgmt to what's actually going on in the trenches.

I want to masters in Edge/Tiny ML. Is this a bad idea?
I like embedded and AI but I also enjoy working from home.
Doin DevOps now and I hate it. Feel like a digital janitor.

>>16709463
That's rough buddy.

>>16711776
ML is highly bimodal. If you go to a prestigious school and get good publications on your record, you can make 6 figures easily. But if not, you're basically unemployable.

>Feel like a digital janitor.
Well, doing both research and engineering in ML is exactly like that, too. You very rarely get to do interesting experiments and even when you do, it's still mostly just tending to experiments. It's honestly more of a job for women than men.

>>16712552
>more of a job for women than men
wut
I'm way more interested in statistics than in job configurations.
In my country you basically get paid to get a masters degree but if it's 50/50 whether I get better job prospects then ooof.
Should I just focus on cloud cert and focus more on IoT? What is your experience in the field?

To be honest, teaching is probably the most engaging job I ever tried. I really cannot stand my current engineering job.

>>16712679
It has its good days and bad days. You dread the bad, but you stick it out for the good.

>>16712679
What do you do?
I really enjoyed my engineering role in a big company. Mostly because of the great team and culture.
They paid big bucks, let me solve problems on my own and it felt like I was part of a team but sadly that only lasted 6-12 months. After that I got changed to a different team and got boring and tedious assignments.
Now I still do boring and tedious but at least it's from home....

I want to go back to school and do a masters in math/TCS. But my undergrad (in CS) was like 10 years ago. I did well but I need recommendation letters to get into a good masters program. How do you do this? Should I audit courses at a local university? Surely someone here has done this before.

How do you go back to doing math/theory after being in industry? I don’t like working as an engineer, it’s boring.

>>16713126
I tried the same maneuver and it didn't work.

Is bioinformatics/biostatistics/computational biology all meme fields? Plz be honest anons. Also, how to get into this as a CS nigger? What do I have to learn and how do I get accepted in top computational biology research programs? How is the job market in academia and industry and how much pay can I expect fresh out this field as a 'computational biologist' researcher? I would love to work in a domain that can help old people still have kids of their own blood

>>16713126
Just do an open admission program. Not like it is going to matter if you have 10+ years of experience.

Will 'exam achievements' in my CV help me in increasing the odds of landing a good graduate program in the yooyes or yookay? By exam achievements I mean securing high score & rank in entrance exams like the gaokao, k-sat, iitjee, etc.. And yes, I'm an international applicant

>>16713791
yea I did some research.. gonna apply to a local university that ought to be easy to get into and then try to transfer for year 2 somewhere more prestigious.

>>16713807
no not really. graduate schools are concerned with your performance while you were in undergrad, especially in the last 2 years. if those entrance exams got you into a top tier university then that will speak for itself.

>>16713821
well, what if the entrance exams happened to be for for grad school admissions in my cunt?

>>16713807
No and fuck off we're full

>>16713676
When I was a uni freshman I met this autist that was studying (his second degree right out of finishing another degree for some reason). There was this competition? that was basically a SAT type exam for Japan. Dude was among the highest scores and got a fully paid internship to study bioinformatics in Nipon land so I assume there is demand but solely based off my very limited experience it's very competitive.
I'll hit him up and see what he's up to, just for u anon (´‿`)

>>16712552
I need more on this. You people are supposed to be smartest people on the internet.

>>16713982
What do you want to know.

Do you guys have exams that you have to take during a PhD? I work as a research intern for my department. How in the living fuck am I supposed to pass a bunch of useless exams while working and constantly travelling for projects?

How can I improve my resumé? I am not getting many interviews. What do HR want to see? I was told it should only be 1 page.

>>16714597
Is it worth it? How difficult is it to get a job? I don't mind doing "normal" ML but edge is more appealing, how remote friendly is it?

I really like how virtual space can touch meatspace so that's why I like embedded but having to uproot my whole life for a job isn't my thing (I tried it) so Edge/Tiny ML seems like the perfect compromise between working on more fulfilling things and staying near my family/friends.
I know AI/ML is a hype train but the few projects I've done we're pretty fun.
I miss liking my job.

>>16715143
Forgot to add, but how much would I be expected to know for a Jr. job? All the ones I see ask for 1-3 YoE

>>16713980
arigato desu

>>16715434
Sorry anon, looked around but everyone I know lost trace of him :(

>>16715143
To do anything really interesting and specialised like edge/tiny ml you will probably need a PhD. In general trying to get your first machine learning job is like pulling teeth, but once you're over the initial hurdle things get easier. Expect that your first job will involve lots of boring data cleaning and wrangling though

>>16715053
Hey Swedish math PhD anon.
It depends what kind of job you're looking for, I'm assuming a tech/engineering job? Running simulations at Saab seems quite cushy in the current economy with defense spending set to increase. I'm not up to date with the latest lore so not sure why you'd want to leave.
Remove the bullet points under PhD (no one at HR knows what a graded ring is or cares), add more details about your current job (what technologies you use, how you benefit the company, 3-4 bullet points). The volunteering looks bad for a tech job because it seems like you are spending a lot of time on it, making you less effective at work, but it would be good if you wanted a job as a math teacher.
Add a section where you list your skills (Python, C++, OpenCV, whatever fancy stuff you use in your current job).
But desu you have <1 year in your current job and this looks flaky especially after leaving academia, it will become easier to find a job if you have >2 years of experience.
If you are not looking for a teaching job, then I'd remove the teacher training because it makes you look desperate and just say you took a career break. 9 months is not so bad.
If you're getting some interviews this is already good, I'd say a 5-10% callback rate is already very strong in the current year, interviewing is hard.
>>16714891
Umm but you are le passionate about heckin' science?