← Home ← Back to /sci/

Thread 16693134

35 posts 12 images /sci/
Anonymous No.16693134 >>16693135 >>16693138 >>16693142 >>16693153 >>16693272 >>16693496 >>16693597 >>16694275 >>16695979
how old do you think a "person" could get as a brain in a jar?
brain hooked up to sensors and fake blood.

it seem ideal to reach over 100 years without problems,
as old people seem to die from failing organs, which wouldn't be an issue here
Anonymous No.16693135 >>16693136 >>16697307
>>16693134 (OP)
they wouldn't make it 10 days
Anonymous No.16693136
>>16693135
due to being a brain in a jar?
yeah one might go crazy from that

would probably need a robot body to remote control
Anonymous No.16693138 >>16695982
>>16693134 (OP)
the question is why would you want to be a brain in a jar, unless you are having mental experiences that rival that of the real world. no dreaming forever shit, my dreams suck.
if it was like VR though, i mean i guess. hopefullly i would forget i'm just a brain in a jar and learn to relax and enjoy the simulation. kind of like real life, just relax, don't think too hard on your mortal remains.
Anonymous No.16693140 >>16693143 >>16693381
questions
if you woke up as a brain in a jar, would you experience nausea from having no digestive system?

what would time be like, no longer being tied to a human body with it's circadian rhythms? would you begin to experience time differently?

how would your priorities change without your body feeding your brain it's unique chemical drip?
Anonymous No.16693142
>>16693134 (OP)
must easier and better for QoL to replace the organs with mechanical or gene-edited biological equivalents.
Anonymous No.16693143
>>16693140
depends on how you wake up
if it's as a jar with just a camera and microphone for senses it would probably be super weird and claustrophobic
but if you got a robot body to control it might feel better, actually being able to move around and feel

i hope one would feel good most of the time, without hunger or pain
Anonymous No.16693153
>>16693134 (OP)
Forget that, just put your conscious in 4d holo-stasis, semi dream while you wait for a new body to be cloned with an empty brain that you can be transferred to
Anonymous No.16693272 >>16693383 >>16695700
>>16693134 (OP)
>as old people seem to die from failing organs, which wouldn't be an issue here
alzheimers? brain cancer? multiple sclerosis?
btw you need to connect the brain to the lymphatic system. it cant survive long term without it.
Anonymous No.16693381
>>16693140
>if you woke up as a brain in a jar, would you experience nausea from having no digestive system?
If visceral nervous input of any kind (and especially all of it) is absent, it is guaranteed to be extremely distressing.

>what would time be like, no longer being tied to a human body with it's circadian rhythms?
Awful because the brain is not designed to handle the absence of vital status data. For example, the absence of vestibular sensitivity will be experienced as constant vertigo. And it goes the same for breathing, cardiac rhythm, gastrointestinal peristalsis, etc. It will become tolerable and mostly go away over time, but we're talking a long-ass time, multiple years to decades.
Anonymous No.16693383 >>16693416
>>16693272
>alzheimers? brain cancer? multiple sclerosis?
Not even in top 10 reasons of death
Anonymous No.16693416
>>16693383
the OP said dying from failing organs wouldnt be an issue. the brain is an organ that can fail.
Anonymous No.16693496
>>16693134 (OP)
You're probably the same retard who thinks that portals and time machines could be a reality because you saw them in a movie or a show. This is what happens when you're manchild.
Anonymous No.16693516
materialist fantasies like this sadden me
Anonymous No.16693536 >>16693602 >>16695751
So what the fuck should future health advancements be like?
Cyborg implants are a meme
So is nanomachines
And gene therapy
And mind uploading
And fucking everything according to you morons
Then what? What isn't "movie childish fantasy"?
Anonymous No.16693597 >>16694213
>>16693134 (OP)
Three minutes. We can't keep brains alive in jars. Not even in mice? B-b-b-but muh organoids! Those are organoids with zero vasculature. Do you know just how fucking hard it is to oxygenate blood mechanically? ECMO is an expensive and labor intensive process.
Anonymous No.16693602
>>16693536
>nanomachines
Don't be so quick to discount them OP
Anonymous No.16694203
>Brain without immune system
I'm sure that will end up well.
Anonymous No.16694213 >>16694214 >>16695374
>>16693597
You have no vision, no imagination for the horrors beyond your comprehension.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VujV5BW2EuY
Anonymous No.16694214
>>16694213
>revival
glad none of them had to suffer since they were dead
Anonymous No.16694275 >>16694336
>>16693134 (OP)
I once thought that, but after thinking over more, it felt more like junk science. The nature of personhood isn't the body or the brain, its the consciousness itself. Consciousness creates the notions of the body, the brain, the person.
Anonymous No.16694336 >>16695391 >>16697328 >>16697331
>>16694275
>The nature of personhood isn't the body or the brain, its the consciousness itself. Consciousness creates the notions of the body, the brain, the person.
and consciousness is a electro-chemical reaction happening in brain cells. Body organs are simply there to work hard to supply brain with all stuff it needs, to support illusion of consciousness, I. Cut off any chemical supply(ho2, air, minerals, carbs, etc,) and the great self-existing, self-sufficient, non-material, eternal, superior consciousness will fade in minutes like a dream, returning into the state of inexistence. Consciousness(and brain) is a hyper-developed organism feature thats only purpose was to collect signals from sensors(eyes, ears, etc) to get more food and reproduce. Now it's a tumor that will eventually destroy life on earth.
Anonymous No.16695374
>>16694213
Anonymous No.16695391 >>16695796
>>16694336
you believe something called the brain creates all reality. Is this brain in the room now?
Anonymous No.16695700
>>16693272
>alzheimers?
nightmare mode, but you'd live
>brain cancer? multiple sclerosis?
good points
Anonymous No.16695751
>>16693536
>nanomachines
>gene therapy
>meme
These technologies are still in their infancy. A big wall to true progress is ethical concerns.

Gene therapy has already proven to be quite novel and is hopefully going to take off once, again, regulation and ethical guidelines are created. These solutions are complex to figure out, but once they are gene editing could solve many diseases practically before they exist.

Nanomachines are simply a problem of price, making small shit is expensive, especially something meant to traverse the body. I doubt we will see nanomachines capable of doing anything other than targeting specific things such as cancer. It may also be useful for accurately delivering medications to specific areas inside a patient.

>picrel, nano-machine (spiral thing) used to assist sperm with inseminating an egg. Helps propel the sperm.
Anonymous No.16695796
>>16695391
Brains have their own little rooms usually inside craniums.
Anonymous No.16695979
>>16693134 (OP)
Sensors, and also something like needle that is very thin, targeting specific neurons, which sends information from virtual world to the brain...

I am glad you're starting to becoming truly-self aware.
Anonymous No.16695982
>>16693138
Let's just say you already forget it, and no you can't relax, because virtuality is using you as computation core.
Q No.16697307
>>16693135
>fpbp
Anonymous No.16697328 >>16697331
>>16694336
The notion of electro-chemical, the physical brain, the space-time continuum, the sun, the moon, the earth, the stars, are all encapsulated in the space of consciousness.
Anonymous No.16697331 >>16698572
>>16694336
>>16697328
Primacy of the consciousness is a blindspot for all the materialists and even dualists. The question at the heart is "how do you know?" "We have hundreds of years of scientists operating on someone's brain, experimenting with particle physics with large hadron colliders, smashing atoms and producing experimental data, blah blah blah". This is the sort of blindspot that many are unable to understand. "How do you know?" You know it through your consciousness. Whatever information you are thinking of, whatever data you're recollecting, whatever conceptual framework you're conjuring, it comes primarily and ONLY through your consciousness. Plato's cave shadow is the old metaphor.
Anonymous No.16698572 >>16698697
>>16697331
Can you proove you percieve something?
Anonymous No.16698697 >>16698723
>>16698572
till the major electrolytes level(substances responsible to transfer electrical signals between receptors, which creates your exciting "show" you call reality, me, I, personality, very unique and privileged, destined for something big, not like the rest of the flock) is between min\max. Try dropping one of then, you'll cease to exist the same moment any of these subs hit the low\high level. Not even mentioning the other chemicals that "fuel" the image you see with your eyes and perceive it as reality. ( Not even mentioning the fact that your entire physiology, instincts, reflexes, body structure, every single reaction and eyes movement comes straight up from your fish\lizard\ape ancestry. Your every single movement and reaction has 500 million year history of evolution in them, from bacteria to mammals. The "consciousness", is the most overrated, weak, ephemeric, illusive, dream-like thing in this entire "reality game" called life. Even the sun is nothing but a speck of burning dust that will fade in a second. Only the endless, dark, matterless void is somewhat close to being actually "alive, independent, real", where as anything made of stuff is just a cheap firework.
Anonymous No.16698723
>>16698697
Is that what your conscious is telling you anon? That you are a slave to the most pathetic gods imaginable? Particles? topkek