Thread 16693710

Nothing ever happens - edition

previous >>16690998

A Delta IV Heavy pad starting to get demolished as soon as Thursday

in other news, the relationship between Trump and Musk seems to be somewhat fine
probably won't be going back to the way it was, but it won't be some existential problem to SpaceX

https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1932163344020238403
>NEWS: President Trump says he’s not going to sell his Tesla or get rid of Starlink at the White House.
>“No, I may move the Tesla around a little bit.”
>On Starlink Trump said: “It’s a good service.”

https://x.com/alx/status/1932163543706783986
>Donald Trump says he would “have no problem” speaking with Elon Musk on the phone if he called.

Send SLS Block 1B to Venus, as the Soviets last space accomplishment had to do with Venus before their collapse. I think it's only fair that America should do something new with Venus as our last hurah before collapse.
Were the Venera probes crushed, or did the electronics just melt? Could we take the shell of a Venera probe back America?

>>16693719
someone really needs to tie musk to a chair at starbase so this shit doesn't happen again

>>16693703
I don't believe for one second that moon mining is the way to get helium 3. If it's such a commodity can't you just use an energy negative fusion reactor to make it? $80,000 a gram is high, and if demand goes up eventually it becomes advantageous to build a machine for it. I don't know if you want your lunar economy based on a commodity that can be acquired cheaper elsewhere. I'm skeptical

Colonize Venus. Colonize Mercury. Colonize Mars. Colonize Luna. Colonize Ceres.

>>16693731
That's a silly list. If you have the capability to colonize Mercury, you can colonize the Jovian moons, and if that's just a list of uninhabited inner solar system rounded bodies you missed one.

>Artemis flopped
>Shartship flopped
>SLS flopped
>NASA budget flopped
>SpaceX contracts flopped
Hope you guys are ready for the Chinese Century.

>>16693719
>“have no problem”
Wasn't the cope that musk kept calling but Trump blew him off saying he was too busy

>>16693719
It's no longer a one-off or two-off spurg-out. It's now a pattern of behavior. The benefit of the doubt is gone.

>>16693742
but we launch a Saturn V's worth of satellites to orbit every week

Fund VSR

>>16693744
that was a day or two ago, the situation seems to have changed

>>16693721
What am I thinking SLS 1B won't have the DeltaV to put a three man balloon lander, with a giant crane that lowers a man a pressure suit with a heat and presure resistant flag to the surface, before returning him and the Venera probe he stole. The SLS 2 would cost 18 billion dollars per launch and is an abomination that shouldn't happen.

GEO happening: Chinese mission extension vehicle demo/ASAT docking, US sats in hot pursuit. Should be able to get a visual of the spacecrafts on June 11.

>>16693752
LEO is not space.

>>16693763
Neither is lunar orbit

I need more.

>>16693765
Niether is Solar orbit

>>16693767
The Voyager probes haven’t even scratched the surface, honestly

>>16693752
how many Saturn V's worth of boosters do they land?

>>16693729
>build a machine for it
It's only really been an issue because the only way we currently know to make H3 is through Tritium decay, which is heavily tied to the nuclear industry and nuclear weapons development, the START treaty was the beginning of the global H3 shortage. Funnily enough it might be better to set up facilities on the moon for nuclear weapons disposal to collect H3 than trawling the lunar regolith

>>16693767
It really is the final frontier

>>16693770
Yeah gunna be honest. Sagittarius A* orbit probably isn't space either

>>16693773
We should dispose of active nuclear material into orion fission charges, and spent nuclear material into the US lunar rods-from-God constellation

>>16693757
Ah yes the iterative approach to politics
>What is true this week may not be true next week

>>16693778
Okay but is that not true though

When do you think Artemis III will happen? I'm gonna say 2031

> That mean Mr Trumpy canceled our Europa lander!

Oh, we had a Europa Lander program?

> Well, no. But Orange Man bad!

>>16693783
Two weeks

>>16693788
Disengaging completely from the US and its insanity is a good thing and not just for euro spaceflight. The process should have started back in 2016 and we might have been a bit better prepared for the ongoing mongol invasion but I guess such is the price of efficient bureaucracy.

>>16693797

> He doesn't know the difference between Europe and Europa.

Boy, is this the wrong general for you.

>>16693803
Well fuck me. Somehow mixed up the possibility of esa being left with orion's service module paperweight with this. Time to sleep.

dice n swarm

>>16693746
he needs to focus all that autism on Starship

>>16693783
Nothing ever happens

>>16693797
The ESA's plan for disengaging is to go into beta orbiting India's Space Agency.
>>16693788
...and they wonder why they lost the election. The entire 4th estate needs to be introduced to a story called "the boy who cried wolf"

>>16693815
The oceans of enceladus have starlink access??

>>16693766
>stellar evolution is buggy, some stars evolve and increase in brightness/temperature accordingly and swell into red giants, some do not
>outdated atmosphere shader models because unity
>can't simulate oblateness
we need to fund the development of a space sim that isn't held back by unity

>>16693817
soon

spehs

>>16693740
Jovian moons are worthless iceballs. Antarctica in space

Nuclear reactor attached to a huge water pump surronded by balloon that force it to flow upwards. The heated water from the reactor is put into the pumps which forms a jet of hot water which melts away the upper crust of Enceladus/Europa.
Would that work for escaping from the sub surface oceans of the ocean moons.

>>16693826
Virtually no fuel for a reactor like that on an iceball moon.
There would only be simple life on such a moon anyway

>>16693825
Redcoat

Literally just collapse the Venusian atmosphere into a snowball by blocking all sunlight and then reheat it back up so it stabilizes at 3 earth atmospheres of pressure with a high albedo from the global winter to stop it from greenhousing again COME ON JUST TRY IT ALREADY IT'LL ONLY TAKE A FEW CENTURIES IF IT WORKS

>>16693805
goodnight anon [math]\unicode{x1F917}[/math]

>>16693837
wtf

>>16693838
I'm glad you enjoyed flight 9 so much you decided to stay

>>16693828
Simple life like humans. Europa has (induced) geology, and the pressence of liquid water means mineral sorting. Life also sorts minerals.
Surface Geothermal and Tidal generators wired up to a huge water pump surrounded by balloon that forces it to float upwards. The heated water from the electric heater is put into the pumps, which forms a jet of hot water that melts away the upper crust of Europa.

>>16693838
[math]\unicode{x1F609}[/math]

>>16693825
>worthless
>Antarctica
Antarctica is home to one of the sexiest animals in the world. What are you on about?

>>16693837
>>16693841
The fabled emoji vulnerability exploiter...

>the average person feels nothing when they see grandiose photos of the towering saturn v, or man on the moon, or a stacked starship
What do normies even care about?

>>16693845
Idk but people who don’t care about mars apparently care about the deficit

https://youtu.be/SC4RaazFs7M
alien parasite/pathogen bros... are we not so sci-fi after all?

>>16693844
>vulnerability
>doesn't know about /sci/posting
so much new that it hurts

>>16693845
>stacked starship
I guess I feel something about this, schadenfreude at the idea that this slag generator is put into the same list as the other monumental achievements.

>>16693845
>What do normies even care about?
Normies can be made to care about almost anything if the media yells about it for a while.

>>16693850
So true, honestly

Trump has nothing to do with SpaceX contracts, why does the media constantly push this line? Those are set by Congress the President has no power over it. Weird propaganda.

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Test

>>16693852
see
>>16693850

It is to their financial and ideological benefit to jump on any perceived or actual tensions within the right wing, and loudly spout bullshit about them until another story comes along.

>>16693852
Yet the POTUS isn't some abstract machine that operates completely independent of Congress. The office of the leader of the executive branch of the United States will often carry the torch and lead the priorities of a major share of that Congress and how they vote and what they prioritize.

[math]\unicode{x1F604}[/math]

>>16693838
>>16693854
>>16693857
Hello newfags, lurk more

>>16693852
"nothing" is simply inaccurate
the president has a lot of influence with congress and could make life difficult for SpaceX
the reason Musk went into politics in the first place was because the biden admin and democrats in general (from the local councilor level up to the president itself) would not stop fucking with him

>>16693832

3:30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G-WO-z-QuWI

A few problems with that.

>>16693858
[math]\unicode{x1F921}[/math]

>>16693860
https://www.gatesfoundation.org/about/committed-grants/2015/11/inv-006792

>>16693852
It is their version of engagement bait.

>>16693824
Fuck the Shuttle etc but GODDAMN she is sexy

>>16693865
Is it wrong to call the buran "shuttle"?

>>16693859
He got into trouble with the Democrats for some reason I don’t understand — maybe too much instructional money was lost in the EV market crash? But the fact is, the role of government today is to spend money, not to cut it, so there’s no chance Elon would have lost the contracts from NASA, DoD and Starlink. SpaceX is America’s premier space company and no one comes even remotely close, including the rest of the world. SpaceX has the ONLY working crewed vehicle in the US, and is much better than the only other working one on the planet (Soyuz). Starlink has by far the most satellites AND the very best orbital band for them and no one else will ever be competitive with it. The idea that the government which is only allowed to spend more money is going to transform itself specifically to take money away from SpaceX because fuck Musk is just a fantasy.

>>16693868
I could never build a Buran/Energia stack in KSP. How are you supposed to balance the side-hanging Buran when all the engines are on the main tank?

>>16693873
>and is much better than the only other working one on the planet (Soyuz)
I suppose the CSS is and always has been empty. How am Insupposed to take anything you say seriously when you get basic information wrong?

>>16693873
>He got into trouble with the Democrats for some reason I don’t understand
Because it was starting to look like he would make it to Mars and globohomo cannot allow an escape hatch from the prison planet

>>16693873
Democrats became the internationalists after Trump took over the Republicans, and the CIA was pressuring social media to extralegally bypass the first amendment. When Elon bought twitter for free speech he fucked up something that represented a monumental amount of effort and money in that a single free speech platform makes all the controlled ones useless. It doesn't matter how good he is for strategic domestic industries, because it was the internationalists he pissed off and they don't care about America outside of the power it allows them to wield. The fact that they're using the Democrats as the attack vector is coincidence and the side brained social issues and whatnot are an incidental distraction.
I thought Elon was aware of this went he went for USAID's jugular, as you can trace a straight path from them to the Brazilian judge that froze Starlink's assets to pressure Twitter to delete anti-gov posts, but now I'm not so sure anything he does is that tactical.
Spaceflight also. No wait, I mentioned Starlink already. Yeah spaceflight

>>16693873
>He got into trouble with the Democrats for some reason I don’t understand

Put more effort into your gaslighting.

>>16693873
>He got into trouble with the Democrats for some reason I don’t understand
He spent a billion dollars turning a left wing bot farm into a right wing bot farm are you retarded?

>>16693883
The twitter purchase wasn't the initial issue, the Biden admin was stalling Starship paperwork and snubbing Tesla at every possible opportunity before that happened.
It's because he started stepping out of line on the covid narrative and was pretty far outside of it by the time the Biden admin came into power.

>>16693889
>the Biden admin was stalling Starship paperwork and snubbing Tesla
Could it be that Starship is retarded and the idea of an Electric car is directly inferior to the internal combustion engine?

>spend a few minutes checking X
>see Elon emoji posting
>open up /sfg/
>see emoji posting
huh

>>16693891
It is not the federal government's job to intervene regardless. What a european statement

>>16693894
>It's not the federal governments job to manage air spaces or decide who gets tax breaks on their cars

>>16693891
Your EDS is not an argument.

>>16693740
Mercury receives 180 times more sunlight for the same area than Jupiter and its moons.

>>16693899
>Electric cars are good, actually.
That's why the market is doing so well right now? That's why if the government tax breaks disappeared, the industry would be dping just as well as real cars?

>>16693900
Yes Mercury gets the most solar irradiance in the Solar System, what's your point.

>>16693729
It's pointless. By the time people get sustained net energy gain from fusion solar will already be the main source of energy on earth.
And batteries will keep getting better and cheaper. The economic incentives for it are just too good. Trillion-dollar market for the winner of this race.

>>16693766
How about Universe Sandbox 2?

>>16693809
Got some bad news for you...

>>16693903
Mars receives 11 times more sunlight.

>>16693908
And?

>>16693909
that sounds wrong but I don't have a source to dispute it.

>>16693909
True and Mercury receives 30 times more sunlight than Mars. Closer bodies receive more light what are doing here?

>>16693828
>There would only be simple life on such a moon anyway
You'll be eating those words come 2030. You'll also be forced to eat disgusting alien pussy, or a ration bar while you are in the Io labor camps.
>>16693847
It's a retarded concept, consider how rare animal-human transmission is, and how we almost always catch mammal diseases.
Bacteria/Archea/Viruses need to be evolved to fit a very specific set of hosts. The gulf between an alien and us should be vastly wider than us and any reptile species, and people don't catch diseases evovled to infect reptiles.

>>16693912
Yeah. A LOT MORE.

>>16693912
You should pick a closer object considering they have orders of magnitude more energy abundance.

>>16693878
kal

>>16693916
Pick? No they are all for us, all of them! If it is round it is for human colonization.

>>16693914
You could still get a space bacterial infection. They just situation themselves and devour your nutrients, they don't depend on on an exact DNA match like a virus does.

If I shine a flashlight into a clear night sky, are all of those photons going to get scattered/absorbed into the atmosphere of earth? Or is there a descent (guaranteed?) chance some of those photons are for sure being sent into space?

>>16693935
guaranteed

>>16693936
I take it because we can actually see the crust and ocean of earth from space, our atmosphere is transparent?
In any case, I suppose that means there are 100% likely to be photons out there in outer space right now, all over the place, traveling undisturbed for 20, 30 years when you once shined a flashlight outside when you were a kid

>>16693931
Wait am I the retard I thought animals had diffrent bacterial and fungul infections between us?

>>16693942
Not really. Viruses are different generally but bacteria can affect anyone. Body temperature might affect it somewhat.

>>16693935
City lights are plainly visible. A small flashlight might be a bit weak and get lost in the slight scattering of the atmosphere, but a strong flashlight would be easily visible.
A laser would be easily seen.

>>16693944
Have I just never encountered a contagious bacterial disease? How come I never hear about people's pets getting sick?

>>16693948
You can get all sorts of bacterial infections from birds
Tuberculosis can come from cows to humans
Bacterial infections aren't as much of a constant nuisance as are viral infections, because they don't transmit as easily in general.

>>16693948
Anthrax is a good example

>>16693910
If you're relying on him having autistic obsession to make your space dreams come true, you're going to be as disappointed as Hyperloop fans. Luckily there are a bunch of people at SpaceX doing actual work who are obsessed and won't run off like an ADHD kid seeing a shiny new toy.

uhh what did he mean by this??

>>16693976
drew a dick on a whiteboard

>>16693865
>>16693868
>Where's Buran? Is she safe? Is she alright?

>Gerstenmaier says during the static fire test of the Falcon 9 rocket on Sunday, there was a leak that was "previously seen on this booster during its entry on its last mission. We discovered that we had not fully repaired the booster during refurbishment or we didn't find the find the leak and didn't get it corrected."

>Gerst said they are installing a purge that will mitigate the leak.
Is there anything not leaking at spacex?

>>16693995
The froyo machine

>>16693995
deez nuts

>>16693742
China is still decades behind, and they fell for the LEO meme.

>>16693965
It really reveals how poorly informed you are that you don't know Musk is is the primary thing keeping Spacex pointed in the direction it has been for the past 20+ years. Even Berger, who despises Musk's politics, could come to no other conclusion over the course of two books about the company and probably hundreds of interviews with current and former employees.

>>16694007
China isn't behind, US is just ahead cuz SpaceX is like a cheat code. In reality china is actually ahead of America didn't have SpaceX.

>>16694009
The USSR accomplished more than China has and that was ~40 years ago.

>>16694008
yawn
it's not 20 years ago
time for bed, you've bored me to sleep

>>16694011
Good night

>>16693742
How does China always end up being so far ahead of the US?

>>16693788
These scientists should be slaughtered

>>16694022
China is allowed to execute corrupt officials. China values education and discourages hedonism. China is comparatively homogeneous population wise so it enjoys much less ethnic conflict. The average Chinese person is more intelligent than the average American. And best of all they have 1.4 billion people so much greater industrial capabilities.

The US enjoyed being the dominant power of the world because post world war 2 they were the only major nation not fucked by the war demographically and economically, they had the largest European population of any nation on earth and they had effectively turned half the world into vassals they could sell stuff too without competition and they were completely untouchable militarily. But as time passed the US found it cheaper to outsource its industry to places like China. Gradually it’s politics, industry, education and judicial system were captured by less than noble elements and it’s population have been rapidly replaced by monkeys. So it comes as no surprise that China has quickly surpassed the US in almost every way and nothing about the US or China shows these trends to be changing in the short to medium term.

>>16694028
>China is allowed to execute corrupt officials
Officials accused of corruption by their enemies*

>>16694022
Everyone sure likes the Shanghai skyline but not the area itself because that's soulless.

>>16693901
There is considerable inertia with ICE, EVs are still somewhat expensive to buy relatively speaking (even if TCO might be better), amd they are less (not much but enough) convenient for daily commuting and roadtrips if you dont have the possi liity of home charging

>>16694055
So just like every other big city.

>>16694073
Not all of them. Can't really have an interesting city where want to hang out and fast access by cars at the same time.

>>16693852
who is in charge of the agencies that enforce this congress directives. not to mention congress in its current form wont take a shit without agent oranges permission

>>16693995
>We discovered that we had not fully repaired the booster
How are they already missing major problems like this? What is that booster was for crew dragon?

>>16693976
>Drew the teeth on the Vulcan mascot

>>16694092
Bannon reminds me of an alcoholic Irish playwright.
Not any specific one, he just has that phenotype.

>>16694028
Fun fact: The last administration of the Chinese space agency was ousted because he was against reusable rockets.
President Xi's cabinet has already put commercial space into the national agenda.

>>16694115
administrator*

>>16693905
Not talking about fusion for electricity. Talking about using fusion to make he3 for use in it's other applications. There are applications besides energy.

>>16693976
sharpie in pooper

>>16694055
it's right across the river from the bund and nanjing road which are absolutely packed with people pretty much all the time

>>16694092
lol the "reader context" fact checking all over bannonated's bullshit

>>16694092
Any time I see a news person say something I actually know about they're always wrong. I'm forced to assume everything they say is wrong.

>>16694092
>$400 to every American at the cost of falling behind in space

Bros, this is concerning...

https://x.com/MorganWKhan/status/1932208511884448136

>>16694152
>According to a SpaceX engineer, employees “bragged about stealing tiles”

>and that there were about
>“400 tiles missing during S29 tile retrofit.”

>Elon, go back to starbase and sort shit out.

>It has become very clear that SpaceX needs your help.

>We need answers.

>>16694152
I mean this is on you desu. It's like stealing uranium and complaining that your hair is falling out.

Will ruslims ever do something or are they completely out of the space game?

>>16694140
this isn't the time for hornyposting, tom.

>>16694158
they haven't designed or built anything new which actually worked in 35 years. it's all ogre.

...meanwhile Starlink 12-24 launched and landed perfectly.

>>16694158
They will build ROS and it will be an ugly useless piece of shit, basically just another Salyut station, they will eternally launch basedüzes (fuck the word filter) after they give up on Orel and that will be the extent of their “space program”

>>16694152
Concerning [math]\unicode{x1F9D0}[/math]

>>16694181
Mother fucker it still got me

>>16694152
The tiles at the highbay are free, SpaceX doesn't want you to know. I have 283 tiles.

>>16694177
are you sure?

>>16694140
[math]\unicode{x1F441} \unicode{x1FAE6} \unicode{x1F441}[/math]

>>16694181
Testing
Soyuz

>>16694190
It doesn’t do söyuzes

testing? [ math ] \unicode{x1F9D0} [ \math ]

>>16694181
word filter is not that hard to bypass desu

>>16694194
>>16694196
bruh learn to post

>>16694194
Take out the spaces between math and the square brackets. And your slash is the wrong way
>[math]
>[/math]

>>16694186
Kek

>>16694186
So that's why they kept burning up

newfags can't triforce

Real space planes have never been tried

>>16694217
>concrete will be good enough

https://archive.is/eza49

lol the Biden admin was spying on Musk

>>16694219
Is this a joke about how they thought they could get away without any of this?

>>16694224
Yes

>>16694223
Hate to say it but I’m pretty sure this is common. Powerful man, global business dealings. Doesn’t have a cool head (as we have recently seen). They put Tulsi in that dystopian watch program. I’m sure Patel and the current admin are watching multiple people like this as we speak. It’s what you do when you’re a spook and you have basically an unlimited budget. Information is king.
If only they cared to survey planets like Uranus and Neptune half as much as they care about their citizens!

>>16694226
OK thought so, kek

>>16694231
why are you sure? this is not common, this is an abuse of power

>>16694223
Extremely powerful foreigners within our borders should be tracked.

>>16694234
Brother they were watching MLK’s every move. They can drop a missile into the ash tray of Solomani’s car half way around the world the minute they get ze call. If they want to know when and where you are, it will be done. A huge portion of satellites placed into space by America is dedicated to micromanaging whoever they please from the shadows

>>16693778
"Just yesterday you said it was Monday and now you've already changed your mind!"

>>16693815
What are the regulations in Antarctica like? Is it divided by claims or no?

>>16693995
>We discovered that we had not fully repaired the booster during refurbishment or we didn't find the find the leak and didn't get it corrected
grim

>>16693891
It's absolutely the case that you are retarded

>>16693995
>Is there anything not leaking at spacex?
No

>>16694158
Russia has ever been in the Space game?

>>16693889
>the Biden admin was stalling Starship paperwork
lol
x3

>>16694254
I can’t piss

>>16694137
What other applications justify the cost of building not just moon bases, but industrial facilities on the moon?

>>16694262
Nothing? Space is not economically viable

>>16694152
>khan

>>16694263
It could be but it’s got some dogshit r&d costs to cover first, and will only be “naturally” profitable once supplies on earth start running low, which lol they aren’t gonna be anytime soon

> Still no new NASA Administrator pick

*sigh*

>>16694262
You could trick the military into wasting money on it. You need to fool two major governments at the same time for it to work though. Otherwise there's nothing, space isn't profitable.

>>16694231
Its not common. This happened due to Biden targeting Musk which escalated from california shutting down Tesla factory -> California targetting SpaceX -> Biden being elected -> Starlink contract cancellation -> Tesla investigations -> SpaceX investigations -> Neuralink investigations -> Ukraine war starting -> Musk giving free Starlink services -> Musk not wanting to enable Starlink over Russia controlled areas -> Biden admin targeting Musk

>>16694152
just more evidence that spacex is falling apart without elon at the helm. gwynne isnt as good of a leader as we thought. maybe shes gotten too old. she's nearing retirement.

>>16694223
as expected. biden was laser focused on disrupting elon as much as possible.

>>16694223
>Bro why are you concerned about your multi-billion dollar company capable of manufacturing ICBMs talking to foreigners
>Just let Elon build missile factories in Iran

>>16694284
is Bezos being spied on like this?
is Tony Bruno?
fuck off

They added 1 million customer in the last 100 days. At this rate, they will hit 10 million customers by next year around June. And 20 million by 2029.

>>16694291
You're talking to a retard that doesn't understand the implication of spying on individuals that the admin politically disagrees with and investigated as part of political retaliation to get dirt on him

>>16694296
first we had exponential space launches now we have exponential customers

>>16694284
>bro take my appeal to absurdism seriously

>>16694300
Something like 4B people up for grabs with avg family family size of 4, thats 1 billion customer potential. I wonder what the real ceiling is for Starlink, and if Starlink can be lowered in price to $100 per dish with developing world paying $15/m in services to extract all the potential revenue

>>16694299
He probably does understand, but can't admit that he does because it would undermine other things he chooses to believe.

>>16694300
I hope we never find life on other planets because there’s no doubt that SpaceX will give them starlink access!

>>16694291
I would hope so?

>>16694296
and if there's one thing we can be certain of in this universe, it's that exponential trends never diminish over time

>>16694299
We should be executing Black Lives Matter and Antifa leaders, not becuase I politically disagree with them, but because they lead terrorist organizations.
I don't know how you intend to maintain national security if we have to let people do anything they want because "taking action against people who politcallly disagree with us is a slippery slope". All rocket manufacturers should be under 24/7 surveillance.

>>16694315
The diminishing comes from reaching 50% peak market imo. In any market, if you've captured ~50%, then the rest of the 50% stalls. In order to capture rest of the market, you need to speed up the adoption by lowering the prices. Thats why reducing hardware prices is essential. Starlink dishes are ~$300 right now. But thats bit of an upfront cost. Imagine if its $150 hardware cost or $100. Its an insta buy. There's a $0 hardware cost but with 12 month commitment. Thats good for longterm investment, but many might want for emergencies. Imagine $100 Starlink for cars that you pay $10/m for 10GB data plan. Thats cheaper than most phone plans. There are ~380 million cell phone numbers in US with avg pay of ~$30-60 for 1-10GB/m bandwidth. $100 per dish is extremely important as well as the $10/m bandwidth. Combine with a low power usage of dish, it would make Starlink a power house

another dead day eh?

>>16694357
yeah, there's nothing to talk about except spaceflight

Reminder, SpaceX will hit close to 160 launch this year.

https://spacenews.com/chinese-spacecraft-prepare-for-orbital-refueling-test-as-us-surveillance-sats-lurk-nearby/
>Shijian-21, likely designed with such tests in mind, makes a good target for China’s first on-orbit refueling test in GEO. The mission appears set on demonstrating capabilities for maintaining and prolonging the operational lifespan of satellites already in orbit. Such capabilities can reduce costs and improve sustainability in space operations, while also reducing debris.

>>16694364
satellite servicing is boring, but at at the same time, one of the most important things we need to be developing

>>16694362
and 0 of those are going to mars so who cares

>>16694366
Just launch new sats.

>>16694362
Okay, and? In 2024, Airbus sold 766 airplanes in 2024 who knows how many lift-offs Airbus performed in 2024. I mean, as an Earth based infrastructure company, I'm not impressed.
Tell me how many launches SpaceX made that were not for Earth.

>>16694373
building new costs more than maintaining old

Build the satellites in orbit.

Nathan fielder learning to manually land on the Moon as a bit

Yes! Do it baby!

>>16694377

Obviously not. Costs are situational.

>>16694395
nice try chang

>>16694393
we have to kill the moon
captcha: SATRN

>>16693860
Carbon sequestration and the increased albedo of the surface will solve the problem.

>>16694406
Whoever makes it has the ability to determine

>>16694022
Because the Chinese aren't concerned with destroying their own civilization with zionism nor are they squandering the gift they received from their rivals in the form of their entire industrial and knowlege base.

>>16693908
All of these apply to autism. Fucking schizo normies always ruining shit. Artists can never catch a break

>>16694115
Chinese follow Musk's advice. US is actively against Musk.

https://x.com/edwards345/status/1932494220499280221

spacex did a controlled deorbit of an upper stage used for a GTO mission

/sfg/ more like stupid faggot general

>>16694430
>>16694431
but how?

>>16694443
GTO is not GEO, it is elliptical.
You burn at apogee to put the perigee inside the atmosphere.
Then you come in steep, doesn't seem very hard desu

>>16694406
China's moon program is run by Ye? [math]\text{}[/math]

>>16694451
ALL MY NIGGAS NOT-SEES NIGGA HEIR HITRER

>>16694393

BTW -- if it impacts, looking at an 8 megaton equivalent blast.

>>16694456
>inb4 cloudy that night

>>16694449
>its easy
None can do GTO deorbits or have done it before. Making this another SpaceX first.

>>16694449
The problem is that Falcon is mostly spent when performing a GTO.
It's easy if you just want to deorbit and you don't care were beyond being in an ocean, but to actually target a corridor may require incination changes or other maneuvers that are relatively expensive

>>16694456
she can take it

Some rocket ASMR from Flight 9
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P7RTTdlDjc8
I'd just like to know what kind of processing do they do on these not like you can just play the audio slower.

>>16694456
The next-best thing after first contact with aliens would be some giant fucking explosion from a rocky visitor. The world needs to see either the moon taking a wallop, or some city getting tunguska evented and vaporized in seconds

These threads are just celebrity worship

>>16694449
You have to reserve a significant amount of propellant that you could otherwise use for pushing your payload to GTO.

gey

>>16694456
What would it look like from earth? Could you see it with the naked eye? Would you notice it if you weren’t already looking directly at the moon?

>>16694491
>Could you see it with the naked eye?
If it hit the shadowed part of the moon facing us you'd see a flash, if the sunlit part probably not. If you were looking away from the moon it wouldn't catch your eye. 8 megatons is nothing at that range.

From how far away would you be able to tell that Earth is inhabitanted by intelligent life?
Nowhere but Luna with your eyes, obviously. With an early telescope, it should be pretty from Mars to see the lights, but is there any chance our lights could be interpreted as natural like how Castillo has bright spots?
When you get to Saturn or at least Uranus, you probably wouldn't be able to see the Earth at all with conventional telescopes considering how long it took us to discover Neptune and Naptune should have a far higher angular size than us? From Neptune and beyond would you even be able to tell with a space telescope? Since pictures of the outer dwarf planets don't have any detail, they just look like really bright stars. With modern equipment we would be able to notice the ISS, but how would we tell it is artificial and not just some small captured space debris?

>>16694507
Depends on sensors. Whatever we can do at the farthest is how far we others with same level of tech can detect us. Intelligent life is hard to quantify. JWST can detect a planet's atmospheric make up within a hundred of so lightyears. So if another planet is trying to detect us, they would do so within light year.

>>16694142
are you retarded? 1.1 of 15.5 is 7%, retard

>>16694282
>biden was laser focused

>>16694507
Assuning you know where to look with astrononical precision, and you are within 100 light years, you could probably pick up our radio with a powerful enough receiver (not realistic, but possible in principle). If you saw Earth transiting in front of our sun, you could do spectroscopy on the atmosphere and see the disequilibrium in oxygen and other gases (not definitive but a strong oddity) and if you could resolve it in infrared you would see the red edge caused by plant life.

If you are within this solar system, you would have to basically be blind not to see us if you have our level of technology.

Someone tell the stock market that Mars has very effective passive cooling for AI data centers

>>16694519
>radiation perforates the ai datacenters

>>16694223
you fags make a controversy out of anything.
I'm not even american but I've read a lot about glowie shit and this is literally the most obvious, basic national security measure, and you think it's something bad or contriversial. you come here to a general thread that talks about highly technical stuff and think the government will not take care of people and companies like musk and spacex? are you fucking braindead or something?

>>16694519
Speed of light lag and being incommunicado at opposition means this will be a Lunarian industry

>>16694188
name one

>>16694177
Russia wasn't an independent country 35 years ago.

>>16694527
>oooo big circle far away
I don't care

>>16694519
>very effective passive cooling
>AI data centers
>0.006 bar atmosphere
>>16694525
>Lunarian
>hard vacuum
this is a joke right?

>>16694553
In 1620 humanity was able to build a capsule where the atmospheric pressure was diffrent inside the capsule than it was outside.

>>16694520
>>16694525
>>16694553
Are you guys retarded? I didn't say it would work, I said to tell them it would!
>the moon is the ultimate high ground
>oo rah sounds good enough to me let's go

If China can successfully clone Falcon 9 and do it cheaper that might be a game-changer in the launch market, especially China’s plans for a Starlink competitor. Roscosmos’ methane rocket project is also interesting if it’s not just vaporware.

>>16694553
you forgot
>speed-of-light comms delay measured in minutes
(compared to a couple of seconds, which is still not great)

>>16694559
I want China to be succesful because it might make America wake up.

>>16694550
very good anon, i see nothing gets past you

>>16694559
Any spacefaring country can clone it if they have enough capital.

will we ever find a planet or a moon with immersion coolant oceans?

>>16694565
All the nations in the world have bigger capital than SpaceX. America had bigger capital than SpaceX. ULA had bigger capital than SpaceX. Blue Origin had bigger capital than SpaceX.

Did you see the strawberry Moon tonight fellow spaceflight enthusiasts!

>>16694559
Unfortunately they didn't clone the correct rocket

>>16694589
>>16694591
yeah okay thats a little too optimistic

>>16694591
1.7mil Optimi on mars in 2040

>>16694591
based madmen, I want to see their justification for a trillion dollar martian economy by 2036.

>>16694559
I think they are trying.

>>16694589
>>16694591
Thanks anon, just bought $SARK

>>16694595
if the american economy is in such a state that this is affordable in 2040 then you're going to have companies doing way better than spacex.

>>16694600
it's cute how many of them copied the falcon legs

>>16694596
its not GDP, its just some valuation given to the property etc owned by SpaceX on Mars (and probably the related tech and so on)
though I just skimmed through the article, but this is a valuation, not cashflow

>>16694595
I can understand why someone would want to live on Mars to build a new civilisation and having some sort of "adventure" but assuming all work will be done by robots and AI, whats the point to live there?

Starlink economy

>>16694607
you can go there AND have robot maids

>>16694595
>>16694596
Mars book value. its just book value for what SpaceX owns/builds on Mars. Not necessarily what it costs, which will be a fraction of it, but if the building costs is $20B then value can be trillion+

>>16694591
>Mars value
lol

>>16694606
>>16694610
that makes more sense, still funny though.

>>16694491

Here's a "small boulder" hitting the Moon:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYloGuUZCFM

Resulted in a 4th magnitude flash. Now, picture a BFB and 8 megatons. Definitely visible to the naked eye.

>>16694617

And that was 5 tons of TNT worth of energy. Now picture a million times that.

>>16694610
The "scary" thing is, if Starlink continues to generate tons of cash for SpaceX, eventually going into $50+B/y with 20-30M customers, imagine the amount of capital they can put into Starship for Mars base building. Atleast 20-30% might be going into Mars to rapid scaling of infrastructure, by that time, I bet SpaceX would be buying Optimus in bulk from Tesla and shipping them to Mars for huge scaling projects

>>16694575

It is pretty beautiful here right now. ^^

We interrupt your spacex discussion with an absolute BREAKING news from the astrophysics community: the Big Bang Theory is WRONG: https://archive.is/64y0i

>>16694622
Also, evolution is wrong. Here, I wrote a paper on it, give me fame and money.

>>16694619

> SpaceX with the money to blow up Starship a day. Maybe two.

Awe inspiring.

new hullo

>>16694622

"Told ya."

>>16694561
I wish I was as hopeful as you. The people in charge hate us. Hell, they industrialized China themselves. This is all one big humiliation ritual that Elon intruded on

>>16694622
Schizos will see this, not read the article or paper, base their worldview off it, and then spam the /sci/ catalog with it for one decade

>>16694257
astounding that there are still people trying to deny this

>>16694619
>Optimus
Anon I'm fully on board with the feasibility of Mars colonization, but I would be surprised to see effective humanoid robots this century. I wouldn't include that in your fantasy

>>16694622
>claims [a couple of] scientists
Wow. It's fucking nothing.

>>16694635
Tesla robotaxis are already being spotted in Austin Texas. Waymo has ~500 robotaxis running for years. There's like atleast half a dozen or so concrete Optimus competitors. Atleast 2 from US, and few more from China.

>>16694638
I can tell you've never been on a construction site. Driving there is about the least complex thing that goes into it.

>>16694635
they're going to be working manual labor jobs within 10 years. i don't consider myself a tech optimist even, but the progress they've made just in the last couple of years is unbelievable and it's not slowing down.

>>16694619
>Optimus
And we'll put solar roof tiles on all the buildings to power the colony of course.

>>16694642
This S curve has a low ceiling. The recent attention is a side effect of the money flowing to "AI"

>>16694640
Next you'll say writing poetry is hard for AI. What is hard for human is easy for robots. What is easy for humans is hard for robots. Robots conquered constructions with 3D printing. Load carrying can be done with robot vehicles. Humanoids are there for initial manpower and later on as software gets better, more autonomous things like maintenance/cleanup/etc that is harder for humans to do. Even if you discount that AI, you can still take control of the robot and do remote control of the robot either by humans inside shelter controlling or from Earth by issuing commands

>>16694643

>inb4 dust storms

Better bring a large broom. ;)

>>16694635
>>16694642
>>16694645
This is retarded. If Optimus becomes real (it won't) humanity won't leave Earth for 4 billion years. We'll be put into paradise pods that we can't leave for our own good. General AI is the end of humanity, machines will go to space to bring resources back.

>>16694649
>this thing won't happen because i don't like the implications if it does happen

They can't even do walshart work yet let alone be actual laborers.

>>16694645
Everything made of bits eventually being optimized by a computer was obvious from the invention of the first digital calculator. The world of atoms is not nearly as forgiving. The economic realities of Mars are such that there will undoubtedly be more automation in every facet of life but nothing you describe is nearly close enough to be worth actually considering it in the Mars plan.

remember when they said venus had life?

>>16694658
Yeah I doubt it’s atmospheric life, but I do think about that often (I am the venus fag)

>>16694658
Venus probably does have life, but not intelligent life like Enceladus, probably just simple shit like Earth

>>16694649
>If x becomes real, humanity wont leave Earth
Replace X with Internet, computers, VR, gaming, rock and roll, sex, family, god, religion, philosophy, dancing, drugs, robots, ais, etc

>>16694655
Nothing has to be close to "reality" as you think of. It only needs to be close to reality for viable minimum products and then scale up/improve/etc.

>>16694662
>Works smarter faster and stronger than humans won't replace humans
>That's just fear mongering like saying rock and roll will detroy the human spirit
???

>>16694661
Good post

>>16694670
Other humans are stronger/faster/smarter than me. I still exist. Humans are stronger/faster/smarter than other animals. They still exists. Living beings are such than non-living beings.

>>16694675
an estimated 40% of all species have been wiped out since the beginning of the anthropocene
do not assume that what you see today is what will always be

>>16694686
Meaningless ratio. With the universe at large, there is no reason trillions of humans cant exist. Hell, even just the solar system alone can support trillions.

>>16694670
>>16694675
some people are already smarter, faster or stronger than others
but one smart or strong person can only do the work of so many dumb or weak people
the important differences are that AIs *might* be significantly smarter than all people, faster, cheaper and more widely available
it's not just that they could perform better, but if they're also more available and cheaper they could potentially replace humans completely in knowledge work
it's strongly dependent on cost and availability, though
in one scenario AGIs could be super intelligent, but if they're also self interested they could demand payment for services rendered and end up not being widely employed simply because they're expensive

>>16694689
meaningless my ass
the superior life-form (us) is quickly exterminating the others, for its own convenience
there's no reason millions of passenger pigeons could not exist right now except, well... our great grandparents fucking ate them all
try to be less rarted (CHALLENGE LEVEL: IMPOSSIBLE)

>>16694690
If a human with 10000000% smarter than me exists and can do work 24/7. I would absolutely give all power of the government to that person. Smarter person leads to more efficient economy, society, etc that benefits 10000000x more people. We started from common primates that can only support few dozens at large tribe to billion+ society now. All with just 4% difference of genetics over the million years.

AGI with self interest also has other interest. Destructive self interest is just a sign of low IQ that cannot think far ahead. Mutually beneficial self interest means everyone prospers

>>16694694
have you ever killed an ant?

>>16694282
Gwynne is just a girl after all, and I doubt anyone is afraid of her so they'll start to get sloppy

>>16694695
Yes. But only when it annoys my primal instinctual fears where my intelligence cant override it. Have you killed a dog? A cat? Thoughts about murdering all cows? Dogs?

>>16694507
not far. radio waves are already kind of a cope. in theory you could use your star systems sun as a magnifying glass with probes about 500 AU from it observing alien exoplanets and even then the "best" you get is a barely distinguishable smudge of the object

final nail in the coffin is space time itself. not only distance but time itself. human civilization is roughly 10 000 years old and for humans that is an eternity. in space time terms that is barely 100 milliseconds. even if civilization spreads to the solar system if it fails to spread out of the system it definitely wont be around in another 10 000 years into the future (10 2025 AD)

>>16694696

Think when a Starship blows up, she pouts and tries to blame it on somebody else?

>>16694559
lol lmao even

>>16694559
>If
Story of communist China.

>>16694698
I remember like ten or fifteen years ago seeing this image for the first time on a vsauce video and being so blown away. Really puts it into perspective

https://x.com/aarontburnett/status/1932534503115043120
>Thrilled to unveil our open-source SpaceX model, built over the last 6 months with @ARKInvest
, an honor to collaborate with @CathieDWood
and team! SpaceX’s 2030 enterprise value hits a $2.5T base case, driven by Starlink’s 6M and growing subs. 2040 spans $5-30T driven by Mars. (link in bio)

>>16694622
Ouroboros

>>16694706
that is because you are retarded
the number of possible beings/civs that might hear our babble and send a relativistic bombardment our way on general principle alone is increasing with the cube of the radius

>>16694705
Yeah!
If the PRC can survive in the mountains
If the PRC can occupy Manchuria
If the PRC can win the civil war
If the PRC can hold North Korea
If the PRC can survive long term without the Soviet Union

>>16694713
Communism succeeds at only one thing, killing people.

>>16694698
>even if civilization spreads to the solar system if it fails to spread out of the system it definitely wont be around in another 10 000 years
This is bullshit, humanity could survive 500,000,000 years on Earth with no technology, if we don't forget every bit of industrial tech we could survive for 5,000,000,000 years with-out ever oeaving Earth.

>>16694715
...and putting the first Sattelite into orbit, and putting the first human into orbit and returning, and putting the first and only robotic lander on Venus.

>>16694707
Is this a crypto scheme?
I wonder who could be behind this?

>>16694707
>https://www.ft.com/content/be321ad8-295e-4e29-9760-6a150ee4d3e0
FT article from the end of 2022
Cathie Wood’s Ark Investment Management has lost almost $50bn in assets from its stable of exchange traded funds since its 2021 peak, highlighting the scale of this year’s losses in speculative tech stocks.
>In a Bloomberg interview last month, Wood reiterated her forecast for bitcoin to hit $1mn by 2030. “Sometimes you need to battle test, you need to go through crises...to see the survivors,” she said. Ark has doubled down on many of its holdings, snapping up more shares in crypto exchange Coinbase, and adding to its holdings in the Grayscale Bitcoin Trust and crypto-focused lender Silvergate Capital.
Lol

>>16694635
I agree, the 'progress' is pretty illusory imo. Humanoid robots need actual intelligence. I'm pretty pessimistic but the only ones I see with the right philosophy to crack it is Keen with Sutton and Carmack.

>>16694719
>>16694726
>its a crypto scammer
but of course

>>16694719
no, just an analyst focused on space companies
most of the valuation in this case is coming from starlink anyway, so not really *that* extremely speculative
the reason why they mention mars as adding some value at all I would guess is just for extra attention and also seems like he is just interested in mars in general
you know there are other companies/analysts that try to analyze SpaceX such as Quilty Space and the often posted chart with payload to space by different providers by BryceTech
they write analysis and probably also consult for investors and so on

https://research.33fg.com/analysis

https://x.com/aarontburnett/status/1932544989029916758

Why would you ever use a humanoid robot on mars. A humanoid robot is an idea on Earth where the robot will be moving into infrastructure meant for humans, but surely a robot in a robot colony on Mars should be in a more efficent body configuration?

>>16694732
Ark and Mach33 are not the same thing
ARK also analyzes crypto and at this point crypto is basically becoming mainstream
the fact that it has also been rife with get rich quick schemes and scams doesn't really change that

>>16694713
A reminder that the PRC won the Chinese civil war due to the fact that they hid from the Japanese and were given territory captured from the Japanese by the Soviets.

>>16694050
If you really want to argue about who or who isn’t corrupt then you can just check the AIPAC “donations” website which is proudly and publicly available and find out that the overwhelming majority of high level US politicians including multiple presidents like the current and previous one have all accepted money from them and their views towards that organisations nexus in the Middle East clearly show the money has an effect on their policies. China obviously does not tolerate that and given how incredibly the growth and development of China has been over just the past 20 years implies obvious organisational competence and good money management. If the US had similar views on corruption then they probably wouldn’t be so badly in decline.

Spacex stands above the competitors of the world in spite of the US not because of it.

>>16694733
financial analyst just to make it more clear if that wasn't already

https://www.investopedia.com/articles/financial-advisors/121815/financial-analyst-career-path-qualifications.asp
>Financial analysts produce financial plans, projections, and analytical reports for use in investment decisions by companies, public and private organizations, and individuals. Depending on the type of analyst job, the duties can vary quite a bit.

>>16694733
>SpaceX analyst
Yeah ok. Everyone here is a spaceflight analyst. When do we get paid?

>>16694728
Optimus can't even stock shelves at Walmart (point to point transportation and moving identical objects from one storage to another). Even then, can they cut open the boxes with a box cutter and contend with the cardboard flaps? This is what software people don't understand about operating in the real world.
Robots work great in a factory setting where they do the same thing constantly. If you want to increase the automation in something like construction, you would develop a modular panelized system that reduces the pieces to be touched by a human on site.
None of these niggas itt have an actual conception of how anything works outside of software.
>>16694733
This is straight up retarded. Did his research consist of prompting grok?

>>16694746
Start a company and start selling research

>>16694741
...and? The reason the west won the cold war was because we let the Soviets take most of the casualties. D-day could have come earlier if we are pretending like there is some moral imperative to not let your ideological enemy suffer while at war with a common enemy.

>>16694158
Money is currently being directed towards another venture right now in Ukraine and until that one is concluded you shouldn’t expect any serious developments in their space flight sector. Also a lot of their plans have been made either obsolete or shown to be pointless vanity projects even if they did construct them. A ISS like space station is a great example as it offers them zero practical value and would only exist as a money sink so I hope they don’t seriously pursue that idea. Large throwaway heavy lift vehicles are being brought into question with starship gradually achieving functionality. Luner probes or even any probes are also pointless at this point in human knowledge.

If the new guy in charge of Roscosmos has any sense then he will scrap all that shit and focus their resources on making a Falcon 9 clone to replace the Soyuz and gradually work towards creating a reusable heavy lift vehicle like starship. If they ever managed that then the inner solar system would be open to them and colonies on the moon and Mars would be possible. These bullshit Soviet boomer prestige projects are holding everything back.

>>16694735
You’re over thinking it, humanoid robots are peak for utilitarian / usefulness. Anything they can’t do can be done by drones, satellites, or heavy equipment

>>16694762
Do they still have the talent? Or the ability to develop the talent? Russia isn't the Soviet Union.

>>16694762
Thank god I didn't reply to that without finishing reading it.

>>16694765
What could a humanoid robot realistically do? Specifically.

>>16694769
it could fuck your mum

>>16694765
Alright, instead of having a humanoid robot pilot a drone from the ground, or have a human sized control cab in a piece, why not put the AI in the humanoid robot inside of the drone or heavy equipment directly?

>>16694636
>needs consensus of unrelated people for something to be true
OK woman

>>16694717
>Remembers Africa exists
No amount of time will a space faring civilization come out of there or any civilization for that matter. So what is mankind survives if it does so as animals

>>16694772
Yeah that is the point isn't it? If you wanted to do self driving tesla you could do AI in the car, or AI in a humanoid robot driving the car. It's the same thing
>erm erm but what if something happens to the robot driver???
Then put the AI directly in the car software idc
>>16694769
Humanoid tasks, like the blue collar work required for building cities and civilization

>>16694780
I specifically said "specifically" you fucking cum stain, you can't handwave the entire non computer workforce like that. Name three things, fuck, name one

>>16694784
Walking, lifting, hammering

>>16694782
>—

>>16694784
>Walking
Not a job
>Lifting
Not a job
>Hammering
Hammering what where?

>>16694786
>Walking, lifting
nigga wants to replace a forklift with 50 robots

>>16694787
Oohhh wowza! Mesa so impressed by yousa big brain! Yousa look at da post an’ go, “Hmm, dis smellin’ like computery stuff,” an’ BAM! Yousa Sherlock of da future! Mesa never seen such deep, thinky-dinks before. Maybe next yousa tell us da sky bein’ blue or water bein’ wet, hmm?

Truly, truly, weesa all so lucky to have yousa here, pointin’ out da tings da rest of us been knowin’ from da first eyeballin’. Big claps for da mighty deducer! *clap clap*

>>16694788
Fine replace hammering with welding, and now you're asking me to come up with stupid hypotheticals which I will not entertain you with.
If you're too dumb to realize how the skills of a humanoid robot could be substituted for simple human manual labor, then I cannot help you. Imagine an apple.

>>16694782
Thank you grok for your insight reply

>>16694791
Welding WHAT? God damn dude have you ever worked on anything outside of a computer? Replacing general human labor with a single use robot, especially in the field where variables start to increase, is not even remotely close to being solved. See the Walmart example here >>16694747
>you're stupid because you don't imagine a robot having the exact same capabilities as a person
...alright man

>>16694553
The rock strata around the lunar poles are very cold, you just run heat pipes through it

>>16694792
You're welcome, but just to clarify--I'm not Grok. Still, I'm glad the message got through.

It's important to challenge ideas that dismiss entire continents or peoples. Africa has a rich and diverse history of civilizations, innovations, and cultural contributions that shaped the world. Suggesting otherwise isn't just incorrect--it plays into harmful and outdated stereotypes.

If the original post made you pause and think, that’s a good start. Conversations like this can be uncomfortable, but they’re necessary. Keep questioning, keep learning.

>>16694796
just accept the premise of optimus being like scifi replicators that can build a mars city on their own if you send enough of them
to do otherwise is rude and will hurt that anon's feelings

>>16693710 (OP)
LMAO, Trump passed a law in 2017 that is fucking software and research companies in the ass, and people say the "Big Beautiful Bill" is even worse kek:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44226571
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44203957

>b-but lets bring back manufacturing jobs to murica!
are you good goys enjoying the tariffs (aka import taxes) already?

fucking americucks got scammed kek

Where is the spaceflight?

>>16694799
>harmful and outdated stereotypes
Stereotype accuracy is one of the few robust parts of social psychology

yeah, there is no research or software in spaceflight... this board, jfc

btw, this thread belongs to >>>/g/, not here.

>Have been rereading the 1958 Army "Project Horizon" report on a Lunar base. The whole thing is based on a semi-reusable Saturn with 15t LEO payload and an expendable 35t LEO booster with a LOX/LH2 upper stage. THAT IS FALCON 9 and VULCAN/NEW GLENN RIGHT NOW
https://x.com/JeffGreason/status/1932465914106265975
Dangerously based

>>16694806
are you seriously still seething from getting banned the other day

>>16694817
have you tried taking your meds? did you forget the visits to your psychiatrist?

>>16694818
>making a political post not related to the thread topic
>self induced seething
it's not a bad guess

>>16694820
>not related to the thread topic
I'm sure companies paying more taxes where they paid $0 is not related somehow, esp. knowing 2 of those companies belong to your beloved idol Elon Musk

>>self induced seething
>it's not a bad guess
you are just mentally ill, seeing ghosts and making up shit all over the place.

>>16694824
that was not the spirit or content of your post, very disingenuous. now talk about spaceflight or fuck off

also, funny how this general talks about politics when convenient (like, whole fucking threads), but then retards say "politics is bad because I say so" when it goes against their beliefs... I guess reflection is not your strongest feature.

>>16694827
>muh spirit
your political leaders will fuck your country in the ass. good luck keeping the technological lead before you are able to leave this planet again.

*yawns*

>it actually is the same lunatic
>anon clocked him in one post

>not only delusional, but paranoid as well
you guys have a bright future lmao

>>16694824
Good! Why would I ever want companies to pay tax?

Mentally ill tranny is shitting up thread again as well

>clock in to /sfg/ after 6 months
>still politics
>nobody even discussing ship movements
I miss the days before IFT-1.

>>16694842
please don't get him started lol

>>16694806
>that is fucking software and research companies
Oh wow another UI update that breaks and another pointless research paper that produces nothing.
Kys faggot

>>16694839
try reading again

>>16694636
The JWST observations speak for themselves. Lambda-CDM is dead wrong.

>>16694857
When terrabay?

https://x.com/tbpn/status/1932157277924098163?t=GjucHWVyQneuWSPqFhrLFQ&s=19
here is how we'll build the munar base

>>16694857

what about the niggabay?

>>16694894
>beam power
just use nuclear

>>16694898
just waste trillions of dollars and centuries on paperwork and lawsuits

>>16694900
just let the earthers control your access to electricity

You know you can just beam it back and kill them all right? it's called mirrors

https://x.com/KristinFisher/status/1932085599655129382?t=dgsTpFUdQC9TlMPmLf2oLg&s=19
China is winning the space race because elon has tds. and trump has eds

>>16694853
No [math]\unicode{x1F618}[/math]

>>16694905
Shut up nigger

We'll got right on that. Honest.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1932695486684950962

Its over

KWAB

spaceflight?

>>16694843
The Mexican crane operator clipped B16 on the side of the stand

>>16694972
humiliation ritual

>>16694971
lmaoooooooo

>sorry for publicly claiming that I know you're a diddler, Donald. we're cool now
What a retard

>>16694944
Take over mexico and deport them all to Spain

>>16694971
Not good enough bitchboy, FAA drug test soon!

>>16694972
>my Ket Offensive failed, pls don't ruin me Don ;_;

>>16694944
The beaches in that part of the gulf have all sorts of insane shit washed up on them all the time due to the gulf stream eddy current. I've camped on them several times and saw all sorts of crazy shit.

>>16694946
I still don't get why they finished out the entrance on that side of the starfactory only to demolish it a few months later to make room for gigabay.

>>16695013
for PR photos

>>16694431
>Arianespace does it
>ULA does it
>even the Russians do it
Is China the only one not deorbiting upper stages now?

>>16694972
>>16694997

Booster reuse when?

>a cheap 9m diameter solid rocket motor should be used as Starship's upper stage
thoughts?

>>16695034
Imagine reusing females.

>>16695036
Solids that big aren't cheap.

>>16695013
Iterative design

>>16694944
Mexico should grateful that we let them have beach access to the Gulf of America at all.

mexico should study it and create their own rockets

>>16695057
They already reverse engineered the cybertruck

>>16694972
absolutely pathetic

>>16695068
Cute
What will be the first animals on Mars??

>>16695034
Refurbishable milfs

>>16694971
Patriots are in control

>>16695076
This is one of my favorite saying ever kek

>>16695076
Who the fuck after the Lalilulelo?

>>16695082
Me too, alongside
>Many such cases

>>16695084
>>16694972
guess we're going to mars after all

>>16695084
https://nypost.com/2025/06/11/us-news/president-trump-says-he-could-reconcile-with-elon-musk-i-dont-blame-him-for-anything/

>>16695088
All's well that ends well

Nothing ever happens bros always win kek

NASA changed their mind about the asteroid again

>>16695042
this is a good point. but you could do a 156-inch diameter srm using the current sls booster tooling and it'd be very cheap and quick to develop.

Might be time to follow the European and Chinese space programs

>>16695106
case in point

>>16695106
This fag gets the airlock btw

>>16695109
good that someone is looking into it

>>16695109
>>16695106
idk if they really cancelled it, maybe they can transfer the tech to China

Marsprojekt status?

>>16695109
OHHH BABY SHIT'S ABOUT TO START POPPING OFF NOW
*STUDIES* HAVE BEEN *COMMISSIONED*
BET YOU AMERIFATS SURE REGRET NOT DOING WHAT I TOLD YOU TO DO NOW HUH

>>16695068
elon is going to deactivate it

>>16695118
my thoughts exactly. ESA is useless

>>16694767
I don’t see why not. Russia is obviously much more capable even now than Europe or Japan when it comes to rocketry, they have a very large amount of stem graduates (especially engineers) so it’s not like they don’t have the potential and seeing a competitor like the US gain greater access to space may spur them to follow. Falcon 9 has shown clear as day how effective a reusable rocket is so nobody can argue against it and much of the technical information to do it is public. I understand Soyuz probably has a large amount of jobs and industries tied to it so cutting that off would be painful for many communities, but it needs to be done.

They have everything they need to do all this. The only thing holding them back from what I can tell is their equivalent of old space soviet boomer mentality who just think space is for showing off some stupid project that accomplishes nothing. Now that much of those sorts of characters are either being fired and replaced or just dying off with Roscosmos itself getting somebody that isn’t an ancient Soviet official for once, maybe we will see some actual development for once.

>>16695115
Currently rendering more inspo vids and removing ceiling tiles to fit the new stretched Block 3 model. We have all the new plumbing fixes, ready to be put on the test stand at Starbase.

https://x.com/amsatdl/status/1932614291913417000
>Chang’e-3 Lunar Lander is still alive after more than 11 years at Mare Imbrium on the Moon! It was the first spacecraft to soft-land on the Moon on December 14th 2013, since Luna 24 in 1976. The stationary lander is equipped with a radioisotope heater unit (RHU). During the 14-day lunar nights, the lander goes into 'sleep mode' and is usually turned on for 1-2 hours during lunar days. It transmitted tonight on X-Band from 00:01 UTC – 01:08 UTC.

https://x.com/raz_liu/status/1932750196695523588
Static fire of an individual core of the 1st stage of the tricore Kinetica/Lijian-2 RLV of CAS Space.

>>16694158
An interesting thing that has been happening under Bakanov is that it seems Sfera has been sidelined in favour of trying to make Rassvet-Bureau 1440 work and then potentially later adapting it to national security use

SMILE X-ray/UV Earth magnetosphere telescope by ESA & CAS undergoing test at ESTEC.

This makes me think, this will be the first time a Chinese-made satellite bus will launch on a western rocket, won't it?

>>16695140
The era of win-win cooperation is upon us.

>>16695109

> Hydrogen reaction mass nukes

Radiation and a bulky super cold gas that leaks everywhere. Just isn't practical.

>>16695144
Yeh the truth is research into NTP is actually further along than many believe and the nitty-gritty problems are nontrivial. It is also not required for cislunar or the first mars missions.

>>16695084
Trump has been so fucking passive this entire time lmao, Elon looks like a lunatic

>>16695149
yeah kek, like fundamentally it's just some usual factional struggle within a party that will be temporarily mended by some backdoor deal and compromise since the US political system is locked in two-party, but the way Musk has been sperging is funny.

>>16695106
the commercial industry and volunteer community can pick up the slack

>>16695085
Sad!
Very, very disrespectful.
Thank you for your attention to this matter!

>>16695105
nasa should have a webpage that lists out all their social media accounts

>>16695092
I think maybe all social media should be shut off and not turned back on again.

>>16695109
Heres how the esa nuclear rocket development will go
>Study is release and non-committedly says maybe we should look more into it (Please give our authors more money)
>German greens sue the eu cause nuclear bad
>Eu commissions and an environmental review
>germans insist on staffing the review board with green politicians
>Review is release, surprisingly it says nuclear rockets will destroy life on earth
>Shelved for years until france brings it up again only for the germans to throw a hissy fit
>project gets killed

>>16695149
this is what was bound to happen when catastrophically unfunny sperg thought he could start the bantz against one of the best to ever do it

>>16695161
shame

>>16695160
it's the great filter

>>16695106
Nasa must be allowed to burn billions more in taxes

>>16695176
millions must pay taxes

>>16695164
> Heh, Drumph is like a twatwaffle Vogon! amirite?
> Weird Elon needs all that money for child support but he CAN'T stop making EVEN MORE of them. The pressures getting to him folks. Very odd behaviour!

>>16695006
>Ket Offensive
clever

>>16695084
now kiss and make up

(Rockelab stream live)

>>16695206
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PplSn4YNbz0

T-10m

https://x.com/CyberRobooo/status/1932735905824952668

So there are people that deny this is real? And such a thing will never happen?

>>16695211
whoa, creepy screeching audio from the second stage ignition. Proof that they are using trapped demon souls for power, not batteries.

>>16695218
I almost thought it was the janny turning on the vacuum right next to the mic of one of the mission control people

>>16695211
standard success

whatever happened to rocketlab launching from the US?

>>16695178
Many such cases

>>16695158
>Thank you for your attention to this matter!
I really like this one for some reason
It's so authentic and eccentric
Like something your boomer dad would append to his youtube comments

>>16695236
What a hassle... unless its Neutron.
Besides NZ is way more sparsely populated, and everything there is probably more chill and easier.
Non-American customers probably prefer that site anyway, who wants to go to shitty Virginia

I want to buy a manned Dragon seat. Why would I go through Axiom instead of just reaching out and asking SpaceX directly for a flight for 4? Wtf even is axiom's business model other than lose money being a middle man for... some reason?

>>16695244
>chill and easier
>have to watch the nz rugby team do their dance before you can launch

>>16695109
>esa comissioned a study
In other words, it's never happening. Like every other ESA proposition.

>>16695236
There should be more launches in other anglo/euro countries.

>>16695106
>>16695253
wow.... there will be committees and meetings and then more studies and meetings...

>>16695254
Starbase Australia will happen

>>16695259
As if

>>16695259
Real talk, why hasn't Elon considered launching from Australia yet? How much propellant is saved by launching upside down?

>>16695261
It will be an AUKUS type deal to get over the ITAR hurdles and cover for a DARPA bioweapons program.

>>16695267
For expendable rockets a lot but for reusable rockets like starship they have to burn a ton of fuel to get back up to the ground so it ends up being moot.

>>16695273
why hasn't rocketlab just tried making a really big bungee cord to bring the booster back?

The eye of Sauron...

>>16695280
too far away I don’t care

>>16695280
I don't believe black holes actually exist.

>>16695288
more mass increases escape velocity. at some point escape velocity > c. light no longer escapes, this I can get behind.
what I can’t get behind is the idea that there’s a singularity at the center of it.

>>16695289
I'm pretty sure the concept of a singularity is more just a byproduct of the math and any scientist who actually studies it would tell you the actual answer is "we don't really know what is there or how to accurately describe it"

>>16695289
Where's all the stuff go, you can't just make it "go away". Is every last atom that falls in emitted back out again as hawking radiation over a long enough span of time? If so, then what the fuck are black holes even for? Just big turbulent patches of space like whirlpools on the sea? We should figure out how to destroy a black hole instead of trying to make miniature ones in supercolliders.

>>16695289
If more mass increases escape velocity then why can light escape from the sun, but not a sun-mass black hole?

>>16695289
"singularity" is just a result of our models

>>16695289
>more mass increases escape velocity. at some point escape velocity > c. light no longer escapes
I think this is the first time I've seen anyone explain it so succinctly that it seriously makes me question what the fuck science channels are doing trying to explain how a black hole works or what a black hole essentially is.

As I've grown older and played around with simulators and formulas at its most basic level it is indeed just a step up from other types of compacted matter until it reaches said escape velocity.
>>16695292
>Is every last atom that falls in emitted back out again as hawking radiation over a long enough span of time?
As far as current models and observations exist, that pretty much looks to be the case. Which makes me wonder where the fuck did the idea for a singularity in terms of thinking about it in practical terms as opposed to abstract mathematical concepts ever get such serious acceptance when in reality it could literally be just a compact remnant with a stupidly high escape velocity slowly evaporating just like anything else in the universe that takes on the form of unstable matter supposedly would.
>then what the fuck are black holes even for
Assuming it is all the product of natural processes, it really is a good question because when you start thinking about it this way it just feels like you might as well class all black holes as "useless evaporators" to quote a certain Russian scientist.
>We should figure out how to destroy a black hole
I reached this conclusion as well, they contain an incalculable amount of energy that could be released besides just passively harvested with magic future tech we don't have.

>>16695294
This is popsoi 101 anon. It’s dependent on mass AND density. That’s like asking why the known universe has all the mass of, well, the known universe. Yet it’s transparent, why? Because that mass is spread way the hell out. Even something as dense as a neutron star is still letting photons out. You have to compress that mass until it is DENSE enough to stop light (density equals mass over volume). So you’d have to take all that mass of the Sun and compress it down to something the size of an ant or whatever

>>16693710 (OP)
12 days until the First Look of the Vera Rubin Observatory.

>>16695246
I imagine a lot of the service you are purchasing is not just the seat, but the training and insurance, which I don't think SpaceX offers. NASA is covering that for their own missions.

>>16695275
they did try, but the cockatoos kept chewing through them

RIP brian wilson

>>16695294
Because the black hole is so small that you can get very close to the sun mass, sending gravity through the roof. With the sun you can only get one solar radius from the sun mass

>>16695301
Sagittarius A has a density similar to a white dwarf. Try again.

>>16695291
Didn't Roy Kerr publish a fairly convincing paper the other week that there's probably no singularity, just a quark star just under the event horizon, held up by the speed of its rotation

>>16695308
I thought it would be half a year until they could start the sky survey?

What the fuck is their problem?

>a massive israeli attack on iran is said to be imminent
space warfare chads, its time

>>16695109
>esa
they can't even into reusable rockets when it passed them by, this is such an empty promise

>>16695292
> Is every last atom that falls in emitted back out again as hawking radiation over a long enough span of time?
No. Hawking radiation is kind of like thermal radiation. It isn't the matter which falls in.

>>16695296
>Which makes me wonder where the fuck did the idea for a singularity in terms of thinking about it in practical terms as opposed to abstract mathematical concepts ever get such serious acceptance
Because strong gravity is described by General Relativity, and GR says that once an object has collapsed inside it's event horizon it will form a singularity. You might imagine that black holes could be some degenerate object just below the event horizon, but it has been proven that no finite source of pressure can withstand collapse even just above the event horizon. Inside not only can nothing escape, but nothing can stay at a fixed distance from the center, everything has to keep moving inwards.
GR says that black holes have singularities. Perhaps a theory of quantum gravity may change that, but for now that's just speculation.

>>16695318
No. That's not what the paper claims.

>>16695342
>That's not what the paper claims.
It definitely opposed the idea of a singularity
https://arxiv.org/abs/2312.00841

>>16695343
This is the passage I was remembering, from near the end.
>As a star shrinks its centrifugal forces rise rapidly. There is no known reason why there cannot be a fast rotating nonsingular star inside the horizons generating the Kerr metric outside.
>There is no published paper that even claims to prove that this is impossible and yet so many believe ”All black holes contain a singularity.”.
It wasn't the main thrust of the paper, just an aside. The main objective was to point out that a certain claim of Penrose concerning an inevitable singularity does not appear to be correctly proven

>>16695342
>thermal radiation
So then what happens happens to the matter if it the black hole must then supposedly then all evaporate at some point, and if that process is proportional to the mass of the black hole? That all ends up becoming thermal energy somehow? What even is a singularity then other than some mathematical vertex point in space that somehow has mass assigned to it? Fuck, this is such a mindfuck.

Pseudointellectual /sci/ mumblings, I see

>>16695348
Singularity is just a placeholder. We don't know what's really going on in there

>>16694852
>pointless research paper
are you too lazy to read the links, retarded or just pretending?
it's not research that's getting taxed, it's software development in general. businesses will be taxed for producing software, something that should be an expense.

>>16695350
post spaceflight if you care so much

>>16695246
Paying off NASA by hiring former astronauts to keep congress happy.

https://www.engadget.com/nasa-former-astronaut-private-space-flights-international-space-station-230720332.html

>>16695133
very cool

Recommend some good movies/series/documentaries pls

>>16695367
From the Earth to the Moon
Apollo 13
October Sky

Don’t bother with First Man, I love ryan gosling but the movie is boring and gay

>>16695289
Singularities don't real.
Time dilation becomes so extreme toward the center of a black hole that the whole thing will simply evaporate before stuff in the center could collapse beyond physical limitations.

>>16695373
This is probably exactly right lol

>>16695354
>We don't know what's really going on in there
It's magic, or some cleverly placed lights and paper mache.

>>16695346
>>There is no known reason why there cannot be a fast rotating nonsingular star inside the horizons generating the Kerr metric outside.
And equally there is no known solution under which it could happen. He does not demonstrate it is actually feasible even in theory, it's just an idea. He is literally just attacking some of the methods used in other peoples work, he doesn't further the idea that non singular black holes are possible, much less physical.

>>16695348
Under GR it would cease to be normal matter, it is beyond the density of anything known. There is no particle physics level explanation of these effects, because there is no quantum gravity.

>>16695313
https://youtu.be/LlwOouOHqc0?si=5MBbD_91W6PKLGIA

>>16695384
excellent post

>>16695109
>a study
It will take at least 5 years, and then ESA will take 2 years to review the study and then take another year to make a decision not to build anything.

>>16695367
Star Cops by the BBC

>>16695390
me incubating on the pod on the wall

>>16695390
me playing the floating glowing spheres game

>>16695390
we know it's science fiction because the cat isn't clinging in terror to an astronaut

>>16695390
eu flag and a bunch of brown people

>>16695390
>saars representing bra,usa, and what the fuck is that algeria
>one of them pointing at the canadian woman
>eu flag
wew lad

>>16695358
You stated research companies and I'm not going to read your gay links

Does Ad Astra warrant a re-watch? I remember literally nothing from it.

>>16695289
that implies that there are regions of space that could be dense enough that while not meeting the traditional definition of a black hole still act like a trap for anything not travelling through at appreciable fraction of c

>>16695322
internalized whiteness

>>16695437
its a few cool scenes punctuating nothing happening

>>16695422
>software and research companies
>software [...] companies
learn to read, brainlet

>>16695106
Fuck off you got two additional SLS which keans the prihect will survive until the 2030s which will probably give you two administrations to get another extension. What more do you want? Another telescope to look at nothing? A rover that doesn't do anything practical, another fly-by of a planet we can't reach? Aren't those launched on Falcons anyway? We could just give SpaceX money meant for specific missions and cut out the middle man.

>>16695449
Again why the fuck would I care about software companies? Fuck em. They produce nothing of value. Software today is feminine anyway

>can't even properly refurbish Falcons that are going to be used for manned flights
Flight 10 is already ogre

>>16695215
>shitwalking while "holding" a tray
>the stuff it's holding is shaking like crazy
>remote controlled
Clearly in two years this thing will be able to build a Mars base

not great, not terrible

>>16695106
firing people that haven't done anything in 20 years ok
Anyone over the age of 50 need to be fired asap

If a star looks to have a surface temperature, radius, and or luminosity higher than the mass and spectral class should suggest, does that mean I am likely looking at a star that is leaving the main sequence or near the end of it?

>>16695437
No, if you pay attention to it you'll just notice how hopelessly retarded the movie is

why are people who clearly have never had a job in their lives allowed to vote or talk about stuff they have 0 clue about?

Buzz brought his pipe and his slide rule up on Gemini 12

https://x.com/nsheinbaum/status/1932813845028090172

"Reuse isn't that much cheaper" - Tory

>>16695560
Thanks anon, I needed something to watch

>>16695560
Does it come with subtitles? I don't speak Parseltongue.

>>16695515
Yeah I think as it runs out of hydrogen, the core shrinks and it burns through the remaining hydrogen faster. The atmosphere puffs up a bit without going full red giant which would give it abnormally high radius and luminosity.

>>16695560
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/1932948009706291246

Berger hot take. kek

>>16695560
>"reusability isn't that much cheaper, the real value is LAUNCH RATE"
>*launches nothing*

>>16695557
Spaceflight...? I can't even guess where this came from. You ok man?

new thread when?

>>16695647
when the tenth page is revealed to us

>>16695572
>No BE4 reflight in 5 years
grim

>>16695647
let sfg die, it's time

>>16695654
*/sfg/

>>16695655
*/sfg/ - Spaceflight General

>>16695647
>find a general 2 hours ago
>instantly decide you can make the next OP without knowing any of the rules or lurking

>>16695666
>actually biting that horrid bait

>>16695666
take your pills, lucifer