Thread 16694058

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/inside-the-secret-meeting-where-mathematicians-struggled-to-outsmart-ai/
>“I was not prepared to be contending with an LLM like this,” he says, “I’ve never seen that kind of reasoning before in models. That’s what a scientist does. That’s frightening.”
>the researchers were astonished by how far AI had progressed in the span of one year. Ono likened it to working with a “strong collaborator.”
>The bot was also much faster than a professional mathematician, taking mere minutes to do what it would take such a human expert weeks or months to complete.
>in some ways these large language models are already outperforming most of our best graduate students in the world

>>16694058 (OP)
>future for mathematicians
Tenured assistant & grading positions. Quite prestigious...for a hueman.

>>16694058 (OP)
LLMs can't push the boundaries of math without human innovation and ingenuity, that's why most of the news surrounding anything an LLM does in math is most likely something in optimization of an already known concept.

>>16694058 (OP)
Let me know when one produces a previously unsolved proof. Two more weeks, I bet.

>>16694067
>LLMs can't push the boundaries of math without human innovation and ingenuity
Neither can you

I can never decide whether to report AI/LLM threads as spamming, advertising, extremely low quality, off-topic, or underage.

>>16694058 (OP)
at what point do people start to figure out that this shit is investor fraud
AI is supposedly taking everyone's job, but somehow it shits itself if you ask it to actually do a real job for you - explain to me how this adds up except for the hype being fraudulent

So you're telling me that the large language models trained on lots of Mathematica syntax were able to write Mathematica commands relevant to what those people asked, and then called Mathematica via the API and gave accurate results? Woah, my mind is blown, take my money, homosexual Altman.

>AI can give you the answer to a math problem after copying the solution.

Literally every human on earth can copy someone else's homework, irregardless of the problem. Why is this supposed to be impressive?

>>16694138
>irregardless
In the future, chad humans will use words like "irregardless" and "funnest" to make virgin AIs seethe and short-circuit.

>>16694058 (OP)
>it says everything with so much confidence
>proof by intimidation
Getting bullied by the CS chad dildo
meanwhile, it can't even beat a baby puzzle.

>>16694058 (OP)
>LLMs now better at math than almost all humans
Not a high bar

>>16694087
This is about AI vs mathematicians, not AI vs a random 4channer.

>>16694151
"Irregardless" and "regardless" mean the same thing but have different rhythm, and if you are from an English speaking country, you would pick one over the other naturally. Sorry, Jeet: that you don't have this ability despite how much you have tried to eliminate that atrocious accent.

>>16694245
Nope.

>>16694058 (OP)
I wonder how much of the money being thrown around LLMs is reserved for marketing

>AI only regurgitates stuff that you could have found with google
>much of AI's answer are imprecise or flat-out wrong and you'll have to doublecheck
>AI can't autonomously come up with new things that people have not created any variation of
>The layman won't be able to understand the AI's output and you need mathematicians to parse the information to humans and to adapt it to a specific context

The future of mathematicians is that they'll do math, mainly as they used to. However, it'll be way more effective. So there'll be more resources, which can be allocated to new areas that people are interested in. AI is a very good development for the mathematics and the sciences.

>>16694276
>future of mathematicians is that they'll do math
Yes, grading output papers.
>there'll be more resources, which can be allocated to new areas that people are interested in
The faculty's salaries...exactly what they've done with their $1B grant warchests...bloated beuracracy.

...now get back into the basement or lose you $70k a year salary or we'll find someone who will!

>once we have electronic machines like a washing machine or dishwasher we'll live like kings and queens in leisure
We've already experienced this kind of revolution.

>>16694302
>We've already experienced this kind of revolution.
You want to go back washing your clothes with your hands? The question, if AI makes scientists superfluous, is really a political and not a technological one.

>>16694319
>washing your clothes with your hands
I spend a lot of time in developing countries, I often do.
>is really a political and not a technological one.
*cough*USAID*cough*...ah jeez, 'scuse me.

The problem is Biological (people), which begets the Political, so in a number of generations..."they" will creep back in and hire only their own, again. We created "credentials" to keep out charlatans, but PhDs are handed out like candy, and threats of disbarring can simply coerce them...thus "credentials" have been made almost obsolete. "Credit" means trust in Latin...but do people "Trust the science."?

Slash and burn the forest...USAID, and replant the trees. Nature.

>AI and math?
Oh, yeah, the future is in those using AI and those that do Maths that AI cannot compute. Some real abstract shit that correlates to Physics or Cognition. Quantum may be useful in the future for Physics, not sure how AI would interact with that though.

>>16694302
>he doesn't live like a king
psssh, you need to get yourself a washing machine... if you can afford it, peasant! gufffaawwhaawwhaaww!

>>16694354
>live like a king
"Umar ibn Al-Khattab, the ruler of the Muslim Empire, traveled to Jerusalem, not with a royal entourage of servants and guards, but with a single servant and one riding camel. During the journey, Umar and his servant took alternating turns; riding the camel and walking. Umar wore simple, coarse clothes; none could have distinguished between the ruler and the servant."

How do you know how a King would live?

>>16694391
>according to an Instagram post
You dropped this part of your AI slop

>>16694397
>Instagram post
>AI slop
https://saudigazette.com.sa/article/144325

You may be Schizophrenic.

>>16694058 (OP)
>LLMs now better at math than almost all humans
It's not lol.
A high school student is much better than SOTA LLMs.
/thread

>>16694402
>source, 20 something year old theology student who graduated with a BA a couple years before your article was printed

>>16694087
I too, enjoyed iRobot.

>>16694058 (OP)
Lots of cope and seethe in this thread

>>16694419
And all of it from the AI marketing and fundraising shills who were immediately mocked and shat on. Great to see.

>>16694412
>https://faithfulkids.net/pages/authors-page
>Her favorite places are the outdoors, library, and masjid.
>Her *Passion* lies in teaching Qur'an and sharing inspirational stories of our rich Islamic heritage.
Oh, and I heard of the story from an American Islamic scholar. I believe he lived in Saudi Arabia.

This guy: https://youtu.be/YXsdGxZwidg

Holding onto delusions of certainty past the point of reasonable disillusion is a sign of Scizophrenia.

>>16694424
>Holding onto delusions of certainty past the point of reasonable disillusion is a sign of Scizophrenia.
It sure is, isn't it.
>source, "sharing inspirational stories"

>>16694058 (OP)
Written by AI bot

>>16694424
Ah, wife is Iranian, hasnt lived in Saudi Arabia. Welp...guess I'll kill myself now.

>>16694428
If only he had lived in Saudi Arabia, then he'd have the same unimpeachable credibility as a Greek guy telling you about Helen of Troy.

>>16694426
>It sure is, isn't it.
>https://www.timesofisrael.com/inside-jaffa-gate-remembering-the-caliph-who-revered-the-temple-mount/
"Thus when he ascended to the Temple Mount and found it overflowing with trash, Omar was enraged. He immediately ordered the rubbish removed — and, say some, he helped clear it out with his own hands."
>https://www.studysmarter.co.uk/explanations/history/spread-of-islam/siege-of-jerusalem/
"...only to be greeted by a servant leading a camel. The servant, dressed in the clothes of a poor man, turned out to be Umar."
Character reference backs up. You are Schizophrenic.
>>16694429
Ive traveled enough to be more accurate about local culture or history than the locals.

You are Schizophrenic.

LLMs arent even capable of doing 1 instruction of a turing complete machine and definitely do not have completeness
how academia fucked up is:
blowing the cap that a lot of their mathematics bars are rigged to be hebrew to hebrew rather than indicate human computation
believing that their tests are invulnerable bullet proof, when they can be broken by a statistics machine
why? because school is meant to make you into a stupid golem

>>16694445
Well if that convinced you, I have some great stories about frogs raining out of the sky and 233000 cubic km of water reacting counterentropically, all backed up by tons of citations and inviolable character references.

>>16694447
>frogs raining
>https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/5491846/Sky-rains-tadpoles-over-Japan.html
Thousands of accounts for thousands of years.
>233000 cubic km of water reacting counterentropically
https://youtu.be/NSbq5KoGkk8

If you dont have anything to say about AI or Mathenatics....get out and get well.

>>16694463
Wow lol, I had no idea that sharing inspirational stories about cabbages and kings riding a camel to Jerusalem was math or AI. Did you know that George Washington chopped down a cherry tree and skipped a coin across a river?

>>16694468
You are a Biological AI having a persistant hallucination propagated by instinctual reactions from your own emotional state and external signalling.

You are Schizosphrenic.

>>16694472
What does that make you?

>>16694474
The System Manager.

>>16694478
Riiiiight lol

>>16694479
>Riiiiight
Im not asking your emotional hallucination that always reflects your desires and not objective reality.

Doctors dont confer their diagnoses with the attended patient.

>>16694483
Be careful not to fall off your camel.

>>16694485
Im the one leading it, dunce...
>>16694445
>servant leading a camel. The servant, dressed in the clothes of a poor man, turned out to be Umar."

You do not live in reality.

>>16694486
Fascinating concept of reality, math, and AI you have, hope they all work out for you lol.

>>16694489
>hope they all work out for you
Ive literally altered several fields of research as well as reshape Geopolitics and even hueman Evololution.

Whats more fascinating is the Cognitive adaptation huemans have to AI...they use it to think for them instead of a tool to think faster and grander, atrophying their ability to think at all...splitting the brain from their bodies.

Schizo means split.
Phenia means head *&* heart.
Its producing mentslally disabled people via a regressive Developmental Cognition.

>>16694483
Its just....Bio-Dynamic jazz, man...

https://youtu.be/1qT2XaHwCK4

https://youtu.be/e8lEJdXYdDQ
>https://advanced.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/aisy.202401034
"Synthbiosis signifies the flourishing relationship between living and artificial or engineered forms."

His background is CompSci...mine is in hunting down rouge Synths.
[adjusts tie]
We are not the same.

>>16694522
>https://advanced.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/aisy.202401034
"Humans find it very easy to draw boundaries for compassion and concern based on the smallest of distinctions between Us and Others, and this kind of “othering” has led to massive suffering throughout our history."

Lol...House of Davide, Professor Levin...

>>16694058 (OP)
Ask your LLM to solve a millenium prize problem then.
That's right it will never be able to do that.

>>16694522
>rouge synths

>>16694391
Grass is truly greener on the other side. The poor dream of being rich, and the rich...dream of being poor

>>16694541
>and the rich...dream of being poor
The rich (some) dream of living through raw experience. Poor people (some) are fixated on wealth so they only saw a lack of it and not the richness that can be found all around them, what Umar was doing.

Hence why Umar was shocked at the trash filled Temple Mount...and the locals were not. The locals had gems in their eyes.

>>16694537
>if it's not smarter than literally every mathematician it's not AGI

The only use I've found for these things is not paying for chegg

>>16694058 (OP)
They seem pretty gud at math, desu. At least the reasoning models are.

https://iceni.substack.com/p/noetarchia-suprema-a-manifesto-that

>>16694118
>the owners of the companies are the one's promoting that it is a species ending technological leap
People should have noticed this sooner and stopped throwing free money at them.
>wow, guys, I can not stress is enough - the new potato gun I'm working on has the potential to destroy entire cities. Definitely, for real. Don't be crazy and rush out and buy one before everyone else does

>>16694058 (OP)
Fake news.
https://ml-site.cdn-apple.com/papers/the-illusion-of-thinking.pdf
One of the more interesting take aways was, imo, a throwaway comment:
>Yet models perform worse on AIME25
than AIME24—potentially suggesting data contamination during the training of frontier LRMs.
This is the second or third time I've seen this. A lot of these """"""""""""""""foundational""""""""""""""" AI companies are purposely contaminating their training data to ensure their fake and gay """""AI"""" models do well on benchmarks. See also codeforces, they do exceptionally well on old competitions but do worse than ALL humans on new competitions. The only possible explanation for this is data contamination.

>>16694994
>https://ml-site.cdn-apple.com/papers/the-illusion-of-thinking.pdf
Same can be said of humans, prove me wrong.

>>16694483
>Doctors dont confer their diagnoses with the attended patient.
They do though. Doctors are expected to confer their diagnoses with the patients, it’s a core part of medical ethics and practice. Retard.

>>16694074
Let us know when you do.

>>16695185
>They do though.
Assessment is the discussion *for* diagnosis.
>2.have discussions; exchange opinions.
>exchange opinions.
Doctors get a differential diagnosis from their mentally ill patients?
>it’s a core part of medical ethics and practice.
Medical Doctors dont do that anymore, totally inapplicable. DEI, corona, vaccines.
>Retard.
Are you attempting to perform a Cognitive assessment on me?

>>16695023
AI nigger cope at it's finest

>>16694058 (OP)
The average calculator is better at math than the average human. Somehow mathematicians survived.

>>16694118
>at what point do people start to figure out that this shit is investor fraud
couple of months ago, the doomposting ramping up is correlated with the surge in startups that don't want to be left holding the bag

>>16694074
lamo at the vehicle mounted goalposts. Last week, will never master Go. Yesterday, will never draw hands. Today, will never produce a previously unsolved proof. Tommorrow, will never solve a millenium prize problem. It only solved one but it was specially trained on the problem.
>>16695214
Jevon's paradox

>>16695428
>lamo at the vehicle mounted goalposts
No one is impressed at some AI solving integrals and texbook problems. It either generates new research or its just repeating what its been told. No goalposts have been moved.
>Go
Is this 1990?

>>16694138
>Irregardless
>Without-without-regards to
Brainlet detected

>>16694058 (OP)
The TI-81 was better at math than almost all humans.

>>16695214
No, not until the calculators could handle variables, formulas, and geometry.

>>16694058 (OP)
untrue shit is untrue.

>>16694058 (OP)
test

>>16694087
I also can't dunk a basketball. Does my athleticism have any bearing on professional athletes now?

>>16694113
A new category - Indian.

>>16694429
>If only he had lived in Saudi Arabia, then he'd have the same unimpeachable credibility as a Greek guy telling you about Helen of Troy.
kek

>>16694058 (OP)
How do I get o4-mini to spend 10 minutes on a problem and how much does that cost?

>>16698053
yea you're both shit at math