Thread 16698414

Only politics allowed - edition

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>>16698414 (OP)
Wish we got ITS instead

https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/06/companies-may-soon-pay-a-fee-for-their-rockets-to-share-the-skies-with-airplanes/
>The text of a budget reconciliation bill released by Sen. Ted Cruz (R-Texas) last week calls for the FAA's Office of Commercial Space Transportation, known as AST, to begin charging licensing fees to space companies next year. The fees would phase in over eight years, after which the FAA would adjust them to keep pace with inflation. The money would go into a trust fund to help pay for the operating costs of the FAA's commercial space office.

What are the psychological implications of living in a world that has blue sunsets?

>>16698420
>Cruz's section of the Senate reconciliation bill calls for the FAA to charge commercial space companies per pound of payload mass, beginning with 25 cents per pound in 2026 and increasing to $1.50 per pound in 2033. Subsequent fee rates would change based on inflation. The overall fee per launch or entry would be capped at $30,000 in 2026, increasing to $200,000 in 2033, and then adjusted to keep pace with inflation.

this is so fucking retarded, almost sounds like an anti-Starship tax
at 200k this tax might be an appreciable cost on top of the launch costs if starship becomes cheap enough

>>16698421
Depression and vitamin d deficiency

>>16698421
I'd be happy even if none of you would be, and that itself would make me happy too.

Atlas 5 tomorrow mayne

>>16698426
Infrastructure for Earth is not Spaceflight

>>16698428
Grim

what will axiomcucks do now?

>>16698414 (OP)
8 days until the First Look of the Vera Rubin Observatory.

Pantropy>>>>>terraforming
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantropy

>>16698435
Colonists will live in goop pods as their consciousness is jacked into Optimus robots via neuralink. Body heat will power life support and robot recharge stations. Pods will be filled with hyperoxygenated breathable liquid; IV drips for nutrient injection and waste removal.

"He could dance the pants off of Churchill!"

>>16698433
What will it do? Will we be able to photograph dwarf planets in visible light? Determine the atmospheric composition of Proxima b? If it's just going to be used to create more pretty pictures of galaxies then I don't care.

>>16698433
that's crazy!

Aliens. It just is. Accept that.

>>16698439
Doubling the number of known asteroids within the first month of its survey, confirming Planet 9 if it exists, finding up to 70 interstellar object per year.

>>16698421
Imagine knowing you're one of the 0.00001% of people who have seen such a thing. Every night a reminder of what you're doing and what it means for the species.

>>16698435
When you really get into the weeds you hit a limit on possible chemistries and energy availability. At some point you just have to be a brain in a space suit, which at that point why not just be a normal human in a habitat that occasionally puts on a spacesuit

>Vega has one planet twice as far out as Neptune
>the entire rest of the solar system is a perfectly distributed disk of dust
what the fuck

>>16698445
Every morning I wake up SEETHING with jealousy that I will never see Mars with my own eyes through the windows of a Starship, plant footprints in virgin Martian soil, watch the eerie blue sunset, and track Phobos and Deimos in the night sky. I want to be part of the few to push mankind into their future among the stars, even if it means making great sacrifices and enduring pain and suffering.

>>16698449
How old are you? Are you American? Are you poor? We still don't know how good Starship will ultimately be, or how cheap it will be to use it. I wouldn't give up hope. You at least will probably be able to spend a significant portion of your retirement on a moon vacation.

>>16698442
Was the atmosphere thicker back then as well?

>>16698452
>We still don't know how good Starship will ultimately be
Actually, we do. It will never leave Earth.

>>16698428
>Kekius Troonius

>>16698422
I dunno why I'm so surprised at the 200,000 figure, I should have known they would fuck this up somehow.

>>16698422
>, almost sounds like an anti-Starship tax
because it is

fuck ted cruz

>>16698437
>Body heat will power
Matrix was just a movie anon, thermodynamics doesn't work like that
>>16698446
An advantage is that pantropized 'humans' can reproduce themselves with their own bodies. Spacesuits need production facilities and growing kids need new sized ones frequently

>>16698468
>thermodynamics doesn't work like that
Besides, the original script was the machines using human brains for computation, not our body heat.

>starshit is killed again even if it somehow stops shitting itself to death
>america shooting itself in the foot every day
yeah i think its time to pack it up boys, its OVER

>>16698470
The deeper reason is that they're uncomfortable completely exterminating their creators so put them in a terrarium for safety

>>16698422
This is why America will lose. There's just nothing more to be said. You can't build anything or do anything. We lose, that's it. The state model tested in the American experiment has proven to be a failure, if leaders value 100 legacy jobs in their state over technologies that are strategically important nationally.

>>16698477
>Starship is being built in Cruz's state
Yeah nevermind, what the fuck. Forget what I said about states. Now I don't understand it at all. Is he just an idiot? So disappointing

>>16698477
>The state model tested in the American experiment has proven to be a failure,
this
>>16698478
elon pissed off maga
its that simple

>>16698479
Every day I hate this autistic freak more and more. He could have spent 0.001% of his net worth buying Cruz a vacation house but instead he has the political tact of a 15 year old /pol/fag. Imagine telling the /sfg/ of a year ago that Elon would blow the entire Mars plan because he insisted on fixing earth first

>>16698483
Concerning!

i regret giving a fuck about space and rockets tbqh

>>16698487
Same

>>16698487
It's a drug that makes you addictive and causing constant withdrawal for launches and missions.

>>16698474
israel needs our help.

>>16698433
>>16698439
>>16698444
Valuable data for sure, but can we tone down this "first look" bullshit.
Its a super wide field survey telescope, there will be exactly ZERO visually stunning images produced. Its not making any pretty pictures that will be popular with the public. Its simply identifying little points that move and change brightness over time spans. Yes this is important, but telling to public to sit on the edge of their seats for first light images is simply going to disappoint they people who are paying the bill. Stop overselling it, this telescope will prove itself over decades of trickle data simply identifying changes for follow up observations with other instruments, and thats it.

>>16698474

Feels like when they turned the last of the Saturn V into lawn ornaments instead of launching them.

> "Nearly every user of the National Airspace System pays something back into the system to help cover their operational costs, yet under current law, space launch companies do not, and there is no mechanism for them to pay even if they wish to," Cruz said. "As commercial spaceflight expands rapidly, so does its impact on the FAA's ability to operate the National Airspace System. This proposal accounts for that."

The only "airspace" being used is a 20 mile radius around the launch sites. STFU you Canadian traitor.

>>16698445
At one point I was the tallest person on the surface of Earth by standing on the summit of Chimborazo. While it's a fun little factoid to tell people, thinking about that moment where I was closer to space any any human on the surface is underwhelming. I suspect once you've been on Mars for a bit, the exceptional situation would settle down into being not much more than a routine.

>>16698414 (OP)
IT IS MOVING! STATIC FIRE TOMORROW, FLIGHT in 2 WEEKS

>>16698615
Nice, gonna steal that and lie to girls and friends to impress them with that fact

> Not Safe for Children
> Rocket Nozzles May Detach

>>16698611
there should be dedicated launch corridors anyway
just fly around cape canaveral

>>16698611
Orbits are a finite shared resource just like radio frequencies. In the early days of radio, the government allowed a wild west situation to develop but eventually that lead to spectrum users trying to stomp on each other through increased power levels. Agencies like the FCC and international organizations like the International Telecommunication Union were formed to bring structure to the situation. For LEO, the organizations exist but are still trying to work out regulatory frameworks that balance the need for innovation and preventing any company or country from giving themselves a permanent monopoly due to first mover advantage.
What we don't need is LEO under the control of a drug addicted sociopath with delusions of grandeur. SpaceX has its place in the world (and the orbits above it) but the mental state of its leader is increasingly erratic. Replace him and things might be smoother but the potential 'Mad Prince' problem remains, not to mention other countries aren't going to just allow the US to have this exclusive advantage for itself. Starlink getting political ended that possibility. Better to have current agreements in place that reflect contemporary realities before the buckshot starts flying.

>>16698616
this is like static fire 4? lol

>>16698617
I can tell you from personal experience that no woman is impressed by it but male friends think it's pretty interesting.

>>16698625
tranny detected

>>16698470
Yeah that’s way more believable BUT using an entire human body is way more dystopia for a film. More visceral and disturbing

>>16698615
>the exceptional situation would settle down into being not much more than a routine
I refuse to believe it

I'm glad things have settled down here after the last flight. That was a rough one. I hope we didn't lose any regulars.

maybe if Elon pretends to play a video game again the gamers will rally behind him and fix everything

Today, I will remind them

Will 36 survive re-entry?

>>16698695
Trick question 36 won't leave the atmosphere

>>16698695
I believed that S33, S34 and S35 would make it, and I believe S36 will make.

>>16698478
He doesn't understand Starship's cost goals so he thinks it's small proportionally.

>>16698681
how much

>>16698438
It’s sad that the modernist lens views WvB as “le paperclip nazi”
He was so much more than that

>largest, most innovative rocket poised to start launching out of your state
>draft up a tax/pound to orbit law
Are Texas lawmakers fucking RETARDED??

>>16698724
it’s a national law proposition, supported by Cruz. It would apply regardless of state and be a federal charge.
The reasoning is that it would “incentivize the FAA to give out more licenses at a faster rate” and the federal govt would get something like $200 in tax per launch
Yes it is retarded all our lawmakers should be shot into the void

>>16698724
Not going to orbit isn't innovative we have had ICBMs for decades why should I care about a big one?

>>16698438
>>16698719
Was he a NAZI or did he just work for Hitler? I mean, like, was he a member of the NAZi party? Do we have evidence of him supporting NAZI policy generally?

>>16698724
The obvious solution is to kill the entire FAA with strategically placed

We will turn mercury into a dyson ring synchrotron particle accelerator to produce black holes

>>16698426
>launching during my drive home
damnit

>>16698729
He was in the SS which implies party membership.

>>16698437
>Body heat will power
I also would like to point out how devastatingly retarded this idea is

>>16698734
We will do no such thing with God's creation.

>>16698729
Sort of. He personally met Hitler a couple of times, directly concerning his work on rocketry and the V1/V2 superweapons program. At one point he passionately pleaded with Hitler when V2 was on the chopping board. He made his case for why the rockets should continue, at a time when supplies were short. Von Braun walked out of that meeting with adolf with increased budget for the program.
He was a passionate autist. He loved rockets, regardless of NAZI policy. He is on-record as saying Germany was in the shitter after the Great War and that all the national socialist politicians were great orators and made everyone rally around the party. And that he was excited to join and be able to contribute experimental knowledge with party and, more importantly, financial/resource support.
He converted to Lutheranism (apropo for a g*rman) only after his tenure in the United States. Someone left a Bible on his desk and he recalls reading it intently. He opposed the local alabama segregationists, as he wanted manpower for Apollo and knew the value of unlikely sources for it. But he also kinda ran a Jewish slave shop back at Peenemunde a few years earlier. He was the goat

>>16698729
He was a card carrying member of the SS and the factory he oversaw was partially a concentration camp. It's doubtful he would've been able to accomplish anything without joining the party and the camp labor provided to him during the war likely wasn't his fault but it still looks pretty bad to your standard normalfaggot

>>16698734
What will we use the black holes for? Little spherical habitats? Hawking drives?

https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/1934313077136105772
>A pair of exoatmospheric Iranian ballistic missile interceptions over central Israel tonight.

>>16698751
Sorry. Does anyone have the math or proof to explain why this wouldn’t work?

>>16698757
Cool. Were those just camera artifacts or were those explosions bright as hell?? Looked like it lit up the entire sky up and maxed out the auto lens aperture

>>16698760
>body heat is like 80 watts
>energy conversion in low temperature differences is extremely shit (5% efficiency)
You would be able to power a little breadboard LED for about 4 hours on a days worth of human body heat

Can you please stop posting missile shit? No one cares, it's not spaceflight. Fuck off.

>>16698764
>rockets
>in space
>not spaceflight
I'm upset they're being intercepted too but I think it's related

>>16698760
Also something like natural gas is roughly 70x cheaper than human food per calorie

>>16698442
if you compare enough unrelated time series data you can eventually find enough correlation to get published in Nature
In fact, if you're willing to try 100 times (which you could do with just 11 datasets over the same time period) you should expect a p value of 0.01

>>16698764

All Generals attract /pol/tards. They're like raccoons and an open garbage can.

>>16698448
The NASA website basically says
>we have no idea why the fuck it's like this and theoretically it shouldn't be

>>16698760
Humans use some of the food energy, waste some as heat and shit out some of the rest. Putting humans in the loop wastes food energy. You could just burn it and get more energy. And where is the energy to grow the food coming from? If you think you can get more energy out of the food than you put into the plants, you might just be retarded.

>>16698763
>>16698768
Thanks. Interesting. You would have to then do nuclear or solar power and have your jacked-in matrix/avatar Optimus robot go tend to these power systems and keep them running

>>16698729

AI what say you?

Joining the Party: He officially joined the Nazi Party in November 1937.

SS Officer: In 1940, he became a junior officer in the SS.

>>16698777
Or you could be a human being and live a human life while occasionally putting on a space suit

>>16698765
Are they flying through space? No. They're barely leaving the atmosphere. E2E is not spaceflight and never will be.
>b-but roggids!!
Don't care. This is SPACEflight general, not ROCKET general.

Fuck that. I'd rather discuss Callistoan craters or sunspot activity than see the same boring nuke WEBMs over and over. Can't you just keep that shit in /pol/? Why do you have to come here to ruin a slow, niche general?

>>16698773
Is it humane to send a generation ship that lasts more than two generations? Imagine your entire life being in a metal cylinder floating endlessly in the void, from birth to death.

We're better off star-hopping DESU.

>>16698785
Idk its probably an inhumane future to deem your progeny but then again so was every human risk ever taken since the dawn of time. Leaving the local cave system. Leaving europe for the new world. Your future children must endure the world you have given them. This is the way it has always been. Generational Ship mid-gens will need to maintain the ship, have children, and keep the colony together. They would still have human dignity and the life support should be designed to make sure the elderly are just as healthy as the newborns. Also organize society so elders have power

>>16698785
It depends on how comfy it is. Most of post agricultural humanity was just chilling out in your village toiling until you die. Remove some of the toil and add a grand purpose and I think it would be easy to stomach.

>>16698788
>organize society so elders have power

>>16698785
Is it humane to have children on a planet full of earthers?

S P E H S
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BO plans on extracting resources (hydrolox) to provide power during lunar nights?

>>16698754
>he wanted manpower for Apollo and knew the value of unlikely sources for it.
>V2 was built with forced labor
Tracks

>>16698756
They're just nice to have

>>16698762
I think just overloaded the sensor which was running in night mode. It would be bright but not that bright in person.

>>16698625
>other countries aren't going to just allow the US to have this exclusive advantage for itself
Other countries have precisely no say in the matter.

>>16698840
exactly

>>16698820
>use surplus solar to extract fuel
>burn fuel at night
makes sense to me

>>16698847
No hydrogen on the moon

>>16698820
>>16698851
where will they get water?

>>16698852
By combining oxygen and hydrogen

>>16698850
Lying today are we?

>>16698859
May we see this hydrogen?

>>16698861
Shoveling dusty ice soil into a magic box and getting free energy and power out of this… I’m not buying it. Unfurl the solar panels lil nigga

>>16698864
yeah use the solar panels to turn the water into fuel for when it's night for two weeks

>>16698864
Large scale wind farms on Earth are built along side hydroelectric sites with two artificial basins on above the other, when the wind farm exceeds power demand it turns on a water pump and moves water from the lower basin to the higher basin. When the wind farm is unable to meet demand water is allowed to flow from the higher basin to the lower basin through the hydroelectric generator. I'm sure you understand why the basins are nessicary for wind farms even if they aren't magically energy positive, stop playing dumb.

>>16698852
nvm, pajeet from NASA answered my question:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8Zz14hQzgg

fuck you, useless faggots

>>16698873
>>16698864
>Why not build batteries
Ignoring the fact that batteries are inefficient when trying to store enough power for a self-sufficient industrial city, Luna does not have the resources to make rechargeable conventional batteries

https://x.com/theinformant_x/status/1934400500075802978
>Meteor Sighting Over Santiago, Nuevo León, Mexico
>On June 15, 2025, at approximately 2:13 AM local time (08:13 UTC), a brilliant fireball illuminated the night sky above Santiago, Monterrey, and several other municipalities in Nuevo León, Mexico. The dazzling spectacle, lasting roughly 10 seconds, captivated onlookers across the region and was also visible in parts of Coahuila and Tamaulipas. Preliminary reports from Nuevo León’s Civil Protection Service indicate the object was a meteor, though authorities have yet to confirm whether it was a bolide—a bright meteor that disintegrates in the atmosphere—or a meteorite that may have reached the Earth’s surface. Experts note that such events are not uncommon in Mexico, which is home to the Bacubirito meteorite, one of the largest ever found, weighing between 20 and 22 tons.

>>16698881
this looks to me like one of those iranian rockets
I bet mexican cartels got new toys against the mexican military

https://x.com/Vincent_Ledvina/status/1934357545227080172
>The past three days of AR 4114 - look how rapid the evolution of this sunspot group has been! It's frankly mesmerizing to see these kinds of movies... AR 4114 now has an unstable beta-gamma-delta magnetic field with a 25% chance of an X-flare in the next day.

>>16698625
>other countries aren't going to just allow the US to have this exclusive advantage for itself.
They've already lost their chance to do anything about it. The US already got there.

>>16698899
Cool. Are cooler patches of the Sun’s surface a product of magnetic field lines shifting?

>spacecraft RATs
>airplane RATs
what should be done about RATs causing problems in aero/spacecraft?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XYO-mj1ugg

The Tel Aviv lightshow continues

>>16698946
On the other side of the arc, here's some boost phase footage filmed from somewhere in Iraq

>>16698950
Israel's not being quiet either

https://x.com/Osint613/status/1934421060239392933
>An explosion was reported in Zanjan, Iran, a short time ago.

This is from an air strike so (((not spaceflight))), but the seizure warning flashing from the fire means they probably hit either a stockpile of SRMs or a manufacturing facility for the same

>>16698950
Better boost phase view from Kuwait

>>16698724
SpaceX and others in the industry have actually asked for a way to support the FAA to enable them to expand their workforce, similar to how the airline industry supports their part of the agency.

>Blue anons in /sci/ astonished to realize all the taxes and regulations imposed by blue politicians were just to make themselves rich at the cost of ruining American workers and industry.
Welcome to reality. Next you might eventually figure out that diversity isn't actually a strength and that undocumented immigrants really are just parasites.

Why should I care about what's happening on Earth between two countries that can't go to orbit?

Ted Cruz my favorite Blue Polictian from my favorite Blue State of Texas

>>16698959
>Why should I care about what's happening on Earth between two countries that can't go to orbit?
Actually Israel has launched quite a few orbital rockets. I remember this because they have to use a retrograde launch to keep the stages over water. Your tax dollars at work!

>It was fine the last 150,000 times blue people did it, but when a red person finally does it, that's the straw that broke the camel's back!
That, Harry, is a hypocrite!

>>16698965
I said something wrong, but I set the goal post too far forward out of arrogance. The ISA only launches sattelites to support Earth based logistics. Earth based logistics isn't Space Flight. Why should I care about what is happening between two countries who don't perform space flight.

>>16698970
Ah, I see your point then.

>>16698970
Starlink is Earth-based logistics

>>16698963
you are talking to bots

>>16698975
Yeah and Starlink isn't Spaceflight.

"But I coronal mass eject from there!"

>>16698983
>Drink Monster Energy

>>16698958
>>16698963
>>16698966
oof

Anyone here ever buy any ULA furniture?

>>16698966
>>16698958
Embarrassing

>>16698993
Reusable rockets are pretty obviously anti-space flight, it's about cost optimization to LEO, Starship is just the next Space Shuttle

>>16699000
>forgetting about Falcon 9

>>16699003
The Starlink delivery vehicle? It has been 52 years since we left Earth, Falcon changed nothing.

>>16699004
Starlink is the cash engine that allows Mars colonization to be privately funded, Falcon changed everything.

>>16699013
>Musk claims that his ship will colonize Mars
Talk is cheap

>>16699013
If that's the case, why is Starlink constantly teased to spin off and go public? Retail investors will demand to reap those returns, not dump them into the Mars money pit.

>>16699022
Starlinks fall every five years. Public Starlink full of investor cash will need to purchase a lot of launches. The total money to SpaceX might be higher.

>>16699022
Retail investors in Starlink will have no say in what SpaceX does with its money

>>16699026
And the stock will plummet

>>16699022
I haven't seen any starlink IPO indications from Musk in years, have you?
I think those may have been at a time when Starlink was on more uncertain ground. A big cash infusion from the spinoff would have funded the Starship development program for 10+ years. Now it's profitable with double digit billions in revenue and rising, even without Starship lowering launch costs. It's the majority of Spacex's revenue and the profit margin just keeps getting better, I don't know why they'd sell it now.

spacex is dragging their feet with starship

Elon is literally Andrew Ryan. Based

>>16699040
Dragging their feet implies intentional delays. Tripping over themselves is more accurate

multiple high altitude intercepts
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1750027763011973.mp4
https://i.4cdn.org/wsg/1750027824631819.mp4

>>16699052
>SANTA! SANTA! SANTA!
Damn, is this what Santa usually gives the middle east?

>>16699022
An IPO is no longer necessary
SpaceX seems to get all the funding it needs for Starship development and when the mars project starts really requiring a lot of money starlink will be printing more than enough

>>16699093
Why were Muskfags crying all day about losing the NASA contracts theh don't need?

Notice how the doomposters are omitting the payload tax proposal is capped at $30k and would go to fund the space sector of the FAA.

>>16699094
When did this happen?

>>16698955
>>16698954
>>16698950
>>16698946
>>16698941
thought I was in >>>/wsg/ for a second

>>16698422
>>16699101
>capped at $30,000 in 2026, increasing to $200,000 in 2033

>>16699101
Its 200k, not 30k

>>16699109
It's basically a Starship tax, and will hit the operational cost of cheap commodities in particular pretty hard.

>>16698422
>>16699101
at the most optimistic launch costs Musk has given (2mil) this would be an increase of 10% on total launch costs
that is ridiculous

>>16699109
>>16699133
Yep. If Starship comes down to ~$2M marginal cost to operate, thats a sizeable percentage of the cost of Starship

>>16699136
15% increase at that point, kind of insane

>>16698785
>Imagine your entire life being in a metal cylinder floating endlessly in the void, from birth to death.
Imagine your entire life being in a rock of dirt floating endlessly in the void, from birth to death.
Imagine if we're on a generation ship RIGHT NOW

>>16699022
reposting 'musk's mars colonization plan is a joke' anon

>>16699211
>reposting the baseless claims some random faggot keeps spamming
May I ask why would do that?

>>16699211
>arguing from analogy

>>16699211
He's absolutely right though. NASA already has a plan for Mars called DRA 5.0 that involves transportation, logistics, and most importantly how to survive once there. Starship can help with the heavy lift to orbit. That's all.

>>16699225
>NASA has a plan that makes things take as long as possible while being as expensive as possible
Yeah, not shocking. The idea that the government should be involved with this endeavor at all is retarded.
DRA 5.0 is like 800 tons over three missions. A functional Starship makes it outdated immediately.

>Starship will have 42 engines
Is elon just taking the piss because this is le funny hitchhiker’s guide number? Or is he serious

>>16698941
I don't even know how to describe how I feel when I look at this, like fatigue? This is some straight up scifi bullshit, and it's happening because two cults both think God gave them permission to live in a patch of desert. Also one of the cults have infiltrated a foreign government, which lets them actually afford this equipment. If it was a premise for a story it would be neat, but then when it's real life, it's just tiresome

>>16699234
Just enjoy the show

>>16699225
If NASA cant do it, then SpaceX can't. Who does Mr Musk think he is? GOD? Its impossible to lift a heavy rocket and then come back down to land vertically. Its also impossible to launch 100 rockets per year. Its impossible for private companies to launch rockets in space. Its impossible to launch 5000 satellite constellation, its just a scifi dream of a space nerd. Its impossible for rockets to be caught mid air by a "chop stick". Who does he think he is?

>>16699240
Wow let that sink in

>>16699240
NASA planned all of that. Boeing's greed killed it.

>>16699232
booster 33
ship now 6, 9 in the future
ergo 42 in total (33+9)

>>16699225
>DRA 5.0
spending 10 years and 10 billion dollars to make a manned rover with octuple redundancy to do science for one month is completely at odds with the SpaceX plan of mass production and industrialization.

>>16698414 (OP)
7 days until the First Look of the Vera Rubin Observatory.

>>16699225
>NASA already has a plan
Are you retarded? Even if NASA had a plan it would be decades before boots hit the ground and well into the next century before there was a permanent base, let alone a colony.

>>16699211
Is this guy retarded? He disproves his own point. A much smaller team than the one apparently required for the Saturn V is already developing Starship, a much more complex vehicle. This anon's view of the world is
>If we throw enough people and money at a problem it will be solved
instead of considering the actual details of the problem. Literally he's saying
>this is too big and complicated for me to understand so it must take some unfathomably large amount of people to carry out
I wonder if he's ever considered a future in government, because this is exactly how a senator from a 2000 pop farming town thinks about spaceflight too

>>16699267
the ayys will have nowhere left to hide

*giggle* Sure thing ESA. You do that.

Newfag density is too damn high.
This is required reading for discussing Martian industrialization:
https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2018/09/03/how-to-industrialize-mars/
Or in video format for fellow ADHDers:
https://youtu.be/11hYo9UTSRM?si=kVW4G8d9sXUB7BZw

>>16699283
a nuclear tug would simplify Mars colonization enormously

there's so little happening in the industry these days

>>16699289
a cheap and simple nuclear tug*
one existing at all is not good enough when the competition is a starship derived architecture

>>16699291
There are happenings everywhere for those with the eyes to see

>>16699293
>three weeks vs three months transit
geg

>>16698800
External tank separation on this always bothered me

>>16699289

> Good old liquid hydrogen and highly enriched uranium. Never caused any problems.

>>16699297
Retarded metric. What are you saving? Two tons of food? The size of the water/sewage tanks? Boredom?
The real savings with a nuclear tug would be avoiding the 15 refueling flights, but even then I'm skeptical it will be worth it. Is there even enough nuclear material on Earth to make the nuclear engines for 10,000 Starships in the next 30 years?

>>16699024
this is what starships to mars launches will look like

>>16699267

I hate them all and hope they get bitten by Lamas.

>>16699211
>reposting some retard
great, don't do that again

>>16699302
Reusable uranium though

Crazy that normies across the entire world consider nuclear proliferation one of the most consequential problems of our modern age; and thus we can’t get nuclear space ships and power because of this. I fucking hate normies so much. The average citizen shouldn’t have the “right” to vote or make uninformed decisions about the policy of their country. We could have built orion fission battleships and easily conquered the entire moon and mars by now

>>16699312
You just don't need nukes to do all that. You need a mass manufactured rocket. Granted the government also didn't do that, but you're blaming the wrong thing entirely.

>>16699297

> three weeks to Mars with a 60 kN engine

Sure thing Jan.

>>16699054
They've been naughty.

>>16698941
War was never meant to be this beautiful.

>>16699311

"Reusable".

Everything south of the shield becomes irradiated to lethal levels, so no service or repair, and even docking becomes interesting.

>>16699211
He's not wrong. This is why I think the true purpose of Starship is launching very large LEO constellations.

>>16699319
He is wrong. See any one of the dozen replies explaining why he's wrong.

>Artemis
>SLS
>Starship
imagine thinking we don't already have a moon base
https://x.com/UAPJames/status/1933157104002400752

>>16699332
We have mossad spies on proxima b

>>16698959
BOTH countries have orbital capability:
Israel has the Shavit launcher for small, retrograde satellites. They launch an Ofeq milsat every few years
Iran has several launchers starting with Safir and recently Qased, Qaem, Zoljanah and the larger Simorgh. Mostly based on SCUD missile tech which they share with North Korea.
Both countries have sophisticated missile programs.

>>16699332
>how many levels of trusting the plan are u on?

>>16699297
no spacecraft concept
no funding for building the engine
no funding for building the spacecraft
no ability to build the engine
no ability to build the spacecraft
no ability to test the engine
no ability to put the engine in orbit
no ability to put the spacecraft in orbit

wow, you're right
three weeks to mars on hardware that will never exist does sound pretty good

>>16699303
>Is there even enough nuclear material on Earth to make the nuclear engines for 10,000 Starships in the next 30 years?
Yes, but it's more than what's currently being produced.

>>16699307
¡Cuidado!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKifwI3t55A
>Rocket Launch: Atlas V Kuiper 2

90 min until Atlas 5 Kuiper launch

>>16699353
now we're spaceflighting

>>16699353
>27 satellites for $150 million
Woah Starlink has a real competitor now, they better be careful.

The NSF Cape Canaveral stream is comfier than Starbase stream.
There, I said it.

>>16699353
Why are these rockets not being used for Starliner test flights? Has ULA gone full treason with heaping glory upon Russian engines and abandoning America?
Arrest Tory today.

>>16699361
>$42 billion to match current starlink numbers
>42
someone tell elon

>>16699303
all of that plus a shit-ton of radiation damage to the crew and equipment
>>16699315
900 seconds of impulse
bigger ones can do much better
>>16699302
you're dealing with hydrogen anyway and cermet is pretty stable

>>16699361
Maybe they're 10x better than Starlinks

>>16699343
>europe is impotent
I know!
still a good concept

>>16699297
Nuclear propulsion does not decrease travel time to Mars.

>>16699332
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCP3LZoxABs

>>16699368
then we're in complete agreement

>>16699371
It increases the length of my penor tho.

>>16699373
Do White People really?

>>16699371
(you)

>>16699312
The requirements to be able to vote should be:
>male
>white
>130+ iq
Imagine how far we would've progressed if we had implemented thid 50 years ago. Or just abolish ((((democracy)))) altogether.

Where is the best website that I can find real photos of our planet which aren't doctored or CGI?

>>16699388
4chan.org

>>16699312
ULA has got this with Centaur V, first upgrade is putting an internal combustion engine that powers it in space with its waste products, second upgrade is nuclear rocket engine and cooling system
https://medium.com/@ToryBrunoULA/why-is-everyone-talking-about-nuclear-propulsion-41121eac78e

>>16699388
X.com
The everything app™

>>16699391
How do you do an ICE engine in space? Run it on liquid oxygen? Or vaporize that LOX and make it “air breathing”

Skylon VASIMR booster with QI reaction control engines, two weeks, trust the plan

>>16698421
I think the average temperature being lower than antarctica outside of the equator is probably a bigger issue.

>>16699394
boil‑off hydrogen/oxygen supply both fuel and oxidizer, so the engine operates like a standard piston engine in theory—even in zero‑g
combustion exhaust is then vented through a small nozzle to create the needed milli‑g thrust for ullage and attitude control
it’s basically a self‑contained ice using cryo‑propellant vapor to sustain long operation in space
https://patents.google.com/patent/US8884202
https://www.ulalaunch.com/docs/default-source/extended-duration/development-status-of-an-integrated-propulsion-and-power-system-for-long-duration-cryogenic-spaceflight-2012.pdf

>>16699388
Apollo 8 or 17.

>>16699211
Huh, you're telling me that... Elon is a liar and a charlatan?! Holy fucking shit my mind is blown! It's almost as if his entire Mars op is just one big marketing strategy for his companies to increase stock price!!!!!

SCRUBBED DUE TO OBSERVATION

>>16699404
They already make billions from Starlink and Starshield, wait till they perfect the Air Moving Target Indicator for the USAF (tracking all aircrafts from space). Unlimited funds for Mars.

>>16699332
That's too based to be true. The only realistic option is that he misspoke.

>>16699353
>The launch of a United Launch Alliance Atlas V 551 carrying Amazon’s second Project Kuiper mission, Kuiper 2, is delayed due to an engineering observation of an elevated purge temperature within the booster engine.
> The team will evaluate the hardware, and we will release a new launch date when available.

Tory Bruno says he considers this Amazon mission critical to free the minds of people living in authoritarian regimes.
https://youtu.be/6iB2kJliWto?si=dCq0Co8vDgUHupQ0&t=2454

I’m, I’m, IM OBSEEEERVING

>>16699409
>purge temperature -134.6 instead of 135.2
i'm gonna nooootice

>>16699411
Campfire breakfasts will be mission critical to the first Mars colonists

ULA launches a rocket challenge [IMPOSSIBLE!]

>>16698422
basing it on payload mass is intensely retarded, if it's to pay for airspace closures, they could base it on the number/length/size of airspace closures

Chinese Varda (actually older than them but had a bit of a funding problems until recently)

IM KILLING NIGGERS
IM KILLING NIGGERS

>>16699409
>The team will evaluate the hardware
Conclusion: hardware unsuitable for launching a mega constellation

>>16699386
you forgot to include the simp factor, or what I call "simpfluence", on voting patterns, which are especially strong on the demographic you chose
how do you think women's suffrage came about in the first place?

>>16699417
yep, completely wrong incentive structure

>>16699386
Reimplemented you mean

Construction of 2nd Zhuque-3 is progressing, with an assembled engine bay, they will tentatively try to land that one, they claim to aim for that before the end of the year, although that isn't too likely.

>>16699366

> Muh ISP!

60s thinking that makes the guys in white coats say, "You know -- Fluorine isn't THAT hard to work with".

The ESA report says H2 Nuke can reduce the stack mass by up to half. But, at a massive increase in cost , complexity and risk.

And today's Return Refuel Reuse dynamic completely reset the economics of space flight.

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1934489668005036508?t=OjIeEH6AdGMgH7M3LSAIGg&s=19
This is fu*king insanomode
42 engines, up from 33

>>16699404
>spamming comments agreeing with yourself instead of making the case to everyone calling you an idiot

>>16699433
ITS was perfect after all.

>>16699433
He said Starship not Super Heavy.

>>16699433
42 is 33+9 on S2

>>16699433
Anon do a little math, how many Raptors do you have with 33 engines on Booster and 9 on Ship?

> Drugged out Zulu grabbing Autistic Tard with no emotional control

I miss when billionaires were based like Henry Ford.

>>16699439
Starship is a stupid name, 2nd stage is called Starship, whole thing is called Starship, sometimes even the booster is called starship.

>>16699443
The second stage is called Ship.

And only three near catastrophic. Not bad for NASA.

1. The POGO
2. 12 lightning strike
3. Skylab falling apart during launch

>>16699442
Elon deleted all his antisemitic tweets

>>16699438
Many are saying!

>>16699430
God I hope so. Do you think American media will try their best to suppress a successful Chinese Moon landing? 99.5% of Americans don't even know China has a space station.

spacex engineers: elon, we could freeze development today and get to mars tomorrow
elon: nah lets keep iterating for eternity

>>16699460
>get to mars tomorrow
On a ship that keeps blowing up?

>>16699460
v3 is going to be the first functional ship ready for mars
the current one is not

>>16699460
>iterating is bad

>>16699460
Yep. Elon is a retard

>>16699462
this

>>16699371
you are retarded

>>16699443
As an 80s kid, Musk was in love with Starship.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CXMWNp-nPf4

ship static fire livestream

>ship 36 did a SF
>/suborbital flight general/ is too busy talking about desert fighting to care

>>16699483
nuclear propulsion is extremely overrated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETBhkDnZvuM

>>16699411
Has the West ever considered not interfering in the internal affairs of every country they can fuck with? How does messing with Tajikistan get us to Mars?

>>16699492
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHx-UgDMTlI

>>16699491
Such a short one, will they do another one?

>>16699491
yawn (no really)

>>16699471

V3 is going to have to go thru several revs before it's anywhere near Mars ready. And getting the tanker version online. And the depot version. And the cryo. And....

Pick a number out of a hat for the number of launches before one can be sent toward Mars in a legitimate effort.

>>16699491
I was showering

>>16699501
yes but its going to be first general block (and blocks themselves go through iteration of course) to be ready for mars at some point
v4 or something else might come later but v3 will be the first one they will iterate until they have a working version

https://spacenews.com/china-lays-foundation-for-cislunar-infrastructure-with-spacecraft-in-novel-lunar-orbits/
>DRO-B and Tiandu-1 have since been sent into specific Earth-moon resonance orbits, according to official updates and amateur tracking. DRO-B is in a 3:2 resonance orbit, meaning it completes three orbits around Earth in the time it takes the moon to complete two orbits around Earth, while Tiandu-1 is in a 3:1 resonance orbit.
>The spacecraft and their orbits are being used to verify the key technologies and operations for China’s planned Queqiao constellation. The system aims to establish comprehensive communication, navigation and remote sensing to support cislunar activities, which includes establishing assets in various orbits and at Earth-moon Lagrange points. China has already utilized one of these points to facilitate lunar far side landing missions.

>>16699505
https://x.com/coastal8049/status/1922333025544626516

>>16699491
https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1934697840502280482

another clip of the static fire

>>16699506
i wish i had the autism to track satellite signals like tilley does

GOOD MORNING /SFG/

>>16699506

> The Chinese giant radio telescope has discovered alien signals out at the Lunar Trojan points and is going out for a look.

>>16699492
Would be interesting to see Eager do a video on NEP.

>>16699515
The dusty plasma clouds at the libration points *are* the alien intelligences

>>16699518
>So my summary is that the nuclear electric heat problem seems like a really hard one to solve and for the inner solar system, solar electric might be a better choice.

https://youtu.be/yonYf6zoR0Y?si=EMKXmKyjE6kMowgx&t=83

Chinks are there own worst enemy. It actually WOULD be good to team up and do manned lunar return and manned mars together. But they’re just going to steal shit and be sneaky sneaky chinese so it’ll never happen. Sad!
I wish POCKOCMOC still had that soviet era drive so we could team up with them

>>16699524
Jared's concept didn't sound like an inner solar system mission.

>>16699491
no one cares if it doesn't get to orbit (it won't)

>>16699525
>Chinks are there own worst enemy. It actually WOULD be good to team up
what's this gaslighting bullshit? china is not the one blaming the west for their own failures and retardation...

https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1934702852288454759
>Super Heavy Booster 16's hot staging ring has been moved into Megabay 1 for installation today in preparation for Starship test flight 10.

>>16699492
you are extremely overrated
>>16699495
4000 m/s dv? is that a fucking joke? no staging?
fuck you

>>16699550
its a space tug you retard
nuclear thermal would make even less sense as a first stage

>>16699551
4000 m/s is way too little for what such an engine can do, retard
cherry-picked to make NTRs look bad
and why would you NOT dump empty tanks as you go?

>>16698629
No, it was because the boomers reviewing the script didn't know what a CPU is. And if they didn't know, so would not the audience

>>16699552
What was cherry picked? You lack knowledge of the subject matter and are flailing.

>>16699557
the mission profile, retardo

>>16698741
That doesn't mean anything. In these dictatorships, you have to carry party cards if you want to make any progress in your field and promotions. Without it, it's impossible

>>16699442
do it faggot no balls

>>16699552
the video is simply comparing a currently available chemical hydrogen/oxygen engine and a nuclear thermal using hydrogen
the ISP is better yes, but the dry weight of the NTR engine is so much worse (and the low density of hydrogen) that the gains are insignificant even in the best case of using this for a space tug

how much DV do you need for it to become good?
are you talking about some multi-stage trans-Jupiter thing here? how much better would that be compared to doing the same with a chemical hydrogen engine with similar staging?

NTR = absolute garbage

>>16699552

> You're cherry picking! Abloo!

It's called Engineering. ISP is not everything that goes into a rocket.

>>16699558
What mission profile was being cherrypicked to make NTP look bad?

Are you excited for Verse Project?

Never wanted to rape a rocket more than this

>>16699585
Why can I call a british person a brit, but I cannot call a rocket girl a jap or a nip

>>16699587
She goes by mitzi (short for mitsubishi)

>>16699587
i think if you're a brit you're allowed to say it

>>16699581
is it just a fancy stationeers?

Ok fucking based? Musk is winning me over the last few days

things were better when we had kings

>>16699594
>hello fellow gamers and derps. I play video games! I’m atheist btw but I identify culturally as christian *tips fedora* *blows the rocket up*

>>16699595
I have a pope and a king who resurrected, and soon I shall have patriarchs of the moon and mars God willing

>>16699596
elon doesnt seem to understand that ronpaul 2012 reddit is long long gone

42 engines, wow. Just like Star Wars

>>16699283
>that image
>some shit i could draw in solidworks in an afternoon
Oh no no ESA bros not like this...

Woah

>>16699603
Yeah but it took a frenchman 8 months to do it

>>16699605
Trump is winning me over the last few days

It’s over

Mars?
Sorry, that was a typo, you're going to Iran.

>>16699585
CUUUTE

Missing him rn

Anyone want to meet up at a launch?

>>16699648
I'd rather keep my organs, thanks.

>>16699655
*retreats to bluesky*

>>16699655
>3 person capacity
>900 lbs. total

Not much coming out of the middle east tonight. A lot of missile raid warnings went off, but no new footage of impacts. Israel's claimed that they've taken out 1/3rd of Iran's ballistic launch capacity, which might track with the rumors that tonight's attack was heavy on the drones and cruise missiles. This Iraqi video of an Iranian launch is the only new thing I've seen posted.

In other conflict news, Kiev got rocked pretty hard tonight, but despite reports of Iskanders being used there's no impact footage from there either.

Here's another one from yesterday's volley that I don't think got posted

>>16699660
https://x.com/ME_Observer_/status/1934784652922761261
>What is happening: It's a combination of psychological warfare, hacking the Israeli alarm system to simulate incoming missiles. And the last 2 strikes, as reported on Maariv, are 2 single missile strikes
>Everybody's confused.

The situation in Iran might be worse than we thought

the altas launch was supposed to save us

happy 30 year anniversary for APOD

>>16699671
It's not a proper ULA launch without at least a few scrubs and week-long delays

https://x.com/Dillonshrop06/status/1934707144240005239
>A rare event will occur tonight, visible to much of SW USA and NW Mexico! A 'Twilight Effect' is possible with tonight's launch of SpaceX Starlink Mission 15-9! Current T-0 is set for 8:36 p.m. PT (0336 UTC). You won't want to miss this event! Below is an interactive event map to see if you are eligible to witness this event:
https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1oko0bZvm_ljj5YD42oJVE6S02ZPIm9o

Starlink coming up in 1:15:00 with a good chance of California jellyfish. Eyes up if you've got em

>>16699684
Oh good, LA normies will screech about it on twitter again, thinking the aliens have arrived

goodnight shefffssseeggy

Remember Elon's melty

>>16699697
You have to be more specific.

>>16699697
like THAT narrows it down

>>16699699
True

>>16699697
KWAB Imagine if he was still being a bitch and taking dragon/threatening F9 offline and pulling out of golden dome. He’s such a sperg

Elon has WMDs

>>16699697
the Elon Melt
ass burger patty
cheesy jokes
onion tears
pickle (rick)

>>16699704
Women Management Disability?

>>16699673
I wonder how many people ITT even know about it

>>16699707
inbetween being banned, I post apod in <sfg> with some regularity

>>16699697
Yes Lord, today I will remind them
https://www.businessinsider.com/elon-musk-reportedly-head-butted-car-at-teslas-factory-2018-8
>Elon Musk reportedly became angry and headbutted a car at Tesla's factory because the assembly line would stop when people got too close to it
>"I don't see how this could hurt me," he reportedly said. "I want the cars to just keep moving."

OH MY /V/!
ARIANE 6 IS IN FORTNITE!!!!
https://x.com/ArianeGroup/status/1934657336724889709

>>16699706
Yes he keeps artificially inseminating them for some reason

>>16698725
>and the federal govt would get something like $200 in tax per launch
Missing three zeroes there, it would be like $200k per starship by 2035

>>16698724
>>16698725
Elon literally wanted this and offered to pay if it will make AST work faster. Cruz is just giving him what he wants and is an ally as far as regulation goes.

>>16699710
I would have done the same

>>16699714
kek, the absolute state

>>16699719
>Elon literally wanted this
he didn't want this

>>16699684
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhfpL83NbkU
Stream's up
T-25:00

>>16699714
>Fortnite
Well done, Arianespace. 2 weeks.

>>16699714
starship bros, our response?

>>16699726
gaymers attacked anyone driving the Cybertruck when they added it to the game, so I would imagine a Starship cameo would meet the same fate

>>16699722
He asked for this specifically.

>>16699728
not like this

>>16699673
what did they choose as the anniversary picture?

>>16699724
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1mrGmPvnNPzKy
SpaceX stream's up

>>16699692
worse, given recent events, they might think that Iran is lobbing missiles at LA!

>>16699739
fucking awesome jellyfish tonight!

>>16699742
and landed! a little bouncy today

the firmament isn't rea......

>>16699714
>timing
years behind schedule
>positioning
tandem payload gto launcher when everyone wants leo constellations
>strategy
expendable rocket in the era of falcon 9

>>16699768
>water above air
yeah it doesn't work like that

>>16699769
What is a diving bell

>>16699770
something that uses shit tons of steel to resist the pressure

>>16699771
That's not what a diving bell is

https://youtu.be/oYYuTJ6WYwE

To this day South Cali, Las Vegas, Arizona
Don't know its a SpaceX Starlink launch
lol they always post >is this a comet??

>>16699714
>It doesn't respawn
That's because they don't believe in reusing rockets. It's le bad!

The first images from ESA's proba 3 technology mission have been released and they are very fucking neat. Proba-3 creates an artificial eclipse using two spacecraft flying in incredible formation flying precision about 150 meters apart. The forward spacecraft is a big disk which blocks the Sun, allowing the second spacecraft to image the faint solar Corona. Previous coronagraphs blocked the Sun using internal optics, but this is limited by the physical size of the occulter, which means Proba 3 can see much closer to the Solar surface.

The resolution is crazy. It's unintuitive because the shadow is blurry, but if you zoom in you can see this incredible structure only really seen in eclipses before.

Formation flying is a key technology to looks of cool shit, like starshades to image earth-like exoplanets, or huge interferometer arrays to get huge jumps in telescope resolution. It has never been demonstrated at this level of precision.

There are other images in the link.

https://www.esa.int/Enabling_Support/Space_Engineering_Technology/Proba-3/Proba-3_s_first_artificial_solar_eclipse

>>16699284
I'm sorry but I already psychically implanted the idea of artificial canyons in Elon's brain years ago and that's why the Boring Company exists.

/sfg/ is dead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2n_Ae9DGC0U
starship anime when?

>>16699802
big woop
literally a waste of time and effort

>>16699771
On Mars 26 meters of water = 1 atm

>>16699848
Apollo lunar module used 0.34 atm

>>16699714
It's times like this that make it difficult for me to decide where to save shit to my srs spaceflight folder or my meme spaceflight folder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1t6XFHRfQJ8

two more weeks

If they put teddy roosevelt in a shitbox wright brothers plane, we can put a president on a dragon for a few days in space. Probably much safer, anyways

>>16699854
huh, EDS doesn't seem so bad, I don't know why everyone in this general complains about it.

>>16699655
Yeehaw my fellow Texan

>>16698615
>confusing being tall with being high
a little confusion is understandable given how high you were

>>16699768
Kill yourself

>>16699803
That isn't even what the links I posted are about

>>16699022
If they were to purchase Starlink they would pay for the expected future returns at that time. Elon gets the money either way.

>>16699022
>Starlink buys launches from SpaceX
>SpaceX spends the money on Mars
Next time try thinking for five fucking seconds

>>16699827
I think an early design did make it into that "Orbital Children" anime.

>>16699854
>EDS to clean dust from surfaces
is this anger powered jetpacks made real?!

>>16699827
Will we ever get an anime about like a high school club where they launch model rockets. They're all dreaming of getting into JAXA when they graduate, becoming astronauts or engineers. Obligatory beach episode when they visit Tanegashima for their school trip.

Basically Rocket Boys but Japanese

>>16699648
Official /sfg/ starship launch meetup has always been at the Denny's on South Padre Island.

>>16699918
closest we have are a few episodes near the end of Planetes, when he visits his family and helps his nephew launch one (on the beach)

>>16699022
>If that's the case, why is [HEADCANON]
We haven't had talk of Starlink going public in a long time now.

https://x.com/HondaJP/status/1934940854247997745

I guess Honda is doing hopper tests.

>>16699955
Uhhhhh wat, where the fuck did this come from

>>16699956
Maybe they announced they were researching it at some point, but I don't keep up with Japanese spaceflight. Just found out about it because Clear retweeted the test itself.
Looks pretty cool for a F9 clone mini test article

>>16699955
Neat. Good to see someone at least trying.
Looks like hydrolox though, which would be typically Japanese and utterly fucking pointless.

>>16699802
Neat, anon
>>16699829
You should be dragged behind a truck until there's little left

>>16699960
Cute!

>>16699848
>>16699768
I choose the air mattress.

Will V3 also take 3+ launches to unfuck itself and not fail every flight?

>>16699975
No, because Raptor 3 fixes everything.

>>16699975
Yes, because Raptor 3 will break everything.

>>16699956
It's not completely unknown, just low profile
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=54197.0

>"Honda of Japan completed the takeoff and landing test of the repeatable rocket VTVL today. The VTVL in this flight was 6 meters long, 0.85 meters in diameter, with a maximum flight altitude of 271.4 meters, a landing position error of 37 cm, and a flight time of 56.6 seconds. Honda said that at present, the rocket is in the basic research stage and has not yet determined whether it will be commercialized. It will continue basic research and will achieve the ability to enter suborbital space in 2029 as a technical development goal."

>>16699984
Raptor 4 will fix everything.

>>16699990
And Rap5 will fix any shortcomings 4 may have

https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1934879919059947788
100% drug free!

>>16699996
deruntergang.gif

>>16699987
Umm, sweaty, Jeff already dominates the commercial suborbital carnival ride sector.

>>16700007
Such an odd thing to post. Elon has been quite the faggot the last few months

>Xinhua News Agency, Jiuquan, June 17 my country [China] successfully organized and implemented the zero-altitude [Pad abort] escape flight test of the Mengzhou manned spacecraft at the Jiuquan Satellite Launch Center on the 17th, marking a new and important breakthrough in the development of my country's manned lunar exploration project.


>At 12:30, the ignition command was issued, and the escape engine of the Mengzhou manned spacecraft was successfully ignited. The ship-tower combination was pushed into the air by the solid engine. After about 20 seconds, it reached the predetermined height. The return capsule and the escape tower were safely separated, and the parachute was successfully deployed. At 12:32, the return capsule used airbag cushioning to safely land in the predetermined area of the test landing area, and the test was a complete success.

>The Mengzhou manned spacecraft is a new generation of manned earth-to-earth round-trip transportation aircraft developed completely independently by my country for subsequent manned space missions. The spacecraft itself adopts a modular design and can carry up to 7 astronauts. The performance of the whole ship has reached the international advanced level.

Important note: the capsule will launch from Wenchang and any pad/in flight abort would splash down, the nominal case for the capsule is a splash down, with land landing being only for emergency cases.

>>16700007
I hope this document is legitimate and he finally got help, but there are few things you can't buy with 400 billion dollars

>>16700011
Mengzhou is so boring

>>16700011
An in flight abort is planned for later this year, it will not launch on a CZ-10 since the infrastructure needed for its launch are incomplete,i t may use a custom solid launcher, or maybe an adapted CZ-5B

>>16700011
>literally a clone of Apollo CM+LES
lame

>>16700007
I, for one, love having public melt downs so bad that I accuse the president of dragging his scrotum across the faces of innocent children and threatening his removal of power and then having to take (fake) a drug test and post it publicly to prove that I am of sane mind and good moral character so that my DoD contracts do not get pulled

>>16700017
>reusable capsule
>7 crew
>same mass as orion yet can do LLO insertion since it's significantly lighter
>built-in modularity for LEO and LLO
it's still the best Lunar capsule ever made

>>16700011
>china is doing e2e
cool
>7 person capsule
lol

>>16700022
never went to the moon

>>16698414 (OP)
6 days until the First Look of the Vera Rubin Observatory.

"Dream Boat"
"Moon Rapist"

Nice.

>>16698773
>>16700056
Maybe it will actually start a discussion this time
I don't think generation ships are as immoral as presented, and I don't even think people would have any sort of crisis knowing they and surrounding generations will experience their entire life on one. The knowledge that your thousands will become billions and your cylinder will open up into an entire solar system will be enough.

Who will be the first man to say nigger on mars?

>>16700017
>why are dolphins fish shaped? Its so boring!

>>16700069
Neuralink will cure racism, chuddy

Jared is being very jewish today

>>16699654
let me play
>>16699905
Ah yes, the classic self-licking ice cream cone. Genius

>>16700069
Optimus running on unfiltered grok AI

>>16700071
if I see dolphin-shaped, airbreathing sharks I might begin to wonder tho

>>16699984
Raptor 3 is beautiful, so Bill Lear's Law proves it will fly well.

>>16700077
>self-licking ice cream cone
Not even close you god damn retard
>people need internet
>people buy internet
>company that sells them the internet needs to maintain infrastructure
>pays contractor to launch their infrastructure
>contractor does whatever it wants with the money it gets paid
>what it wants is to build up Mars
In what fucking dimension is this a self licking ice cream cone? Do you even understand what that phrase means?

>>16700069
Already submitted on of these, with the message:
NIGGER NIGGER NIGGER
https://science.nasa.gov/mars/send-your-name-to-mars/
Do I go down in history? Am I the chosen one?

>>16700093
little secret, they already buy launches from spacex

>>16700069
Probably me, it will be the first word when the first man steps out. I am that man

>>16699643
Who has the pic of him slagging off Gorbachev for listening to his wife?

>>16700101
Kek I think of this often

>>16700095
you are a retard

>>16700106
spacex revenue share from launches is pitiful. you are the bigger retard

THE TARDED ULA VULCAN MASCOT HAS A NAME, IT’S ‘MAX-Q’ LOL

>>16700108
Because Starlink currently a subsidiary. If Starlink became a completely separate entity they would charge it a competitive amount

>>16700109
Trust the plan
>>16700137
>a competitive amount
Next cheapest is what, $150 million? Compared the SpaceX's internal $15 million? What would a competitive amount even be?

>>16699496
>Liquid hydrogen storage is bulky and therefore heavier
I ran into this exact problem with some stupid KSP mod, thankfully you could switch back to using Liquid Fuel and go back to making sensible rockets.

ULA how can I explain it?
I'll take you frame by frame it
To have y'all all jumpin', shoutin', sayin' it

>>16699955
YES

>>16700022
>7 crew
But why? What does that look like on the inside?

>>16700156
Anchovies

>>16700007
the richest man in the world was able to obtain a perfectly clean drug test.

I don't know why people think he needs to take drugs to be a sperg, that's just what he's like

>>16700189
That would be even worse because it means he's mentally unstable. At least drug addiction can be treated.

>>16700189
Go watch a video of him from 10+ years ago.
He's on drugs now.

>>16700193
Even according to himself he's mentally unstable. In Isaacson's book there's even a part where Musk hits up Isaacson and talks about how shitty he's feeling during a particularly stressful time. Plus then there's what he and some ex-wives call his Asperger's. He also doesn't shy away from just lashing out at people even irl and demanding ridiculous timelines, he even considers it a strength to be low empathy in a business setting. By all accounts he's just a weird guy since early childhood. The book is a pretty decent read, sometimes the author adds a little too much of his own thoughts and assumptions but otherwise it's a good chronicle of his life up to 2022

>>16700195
My guess would be that he just felt less untouchable back in the day since SpaceX or Tesla weren't in a great place yet, so he tried conducting himself in a more serious way. Now he just shitposts on Twitter without a care

>>16700196
Load of PR crafted crap. He's a psychopath with a PR teams that relies on people like you to fall for attempts to make him seem like Rain Man so no one sees how destructive his impulses are. Aspies don't travel the world putting themselves into sensory and socially uncomfortable situations but psychopaths certainly do.

>>16699955
wonder what they'll name it

>>16700195
why?

>>16700198
exactly
10 years ago F9 landings were still in the testing phase, Tesla market cap was something like 30B and those were basically the only companies he had, he had much less clout so could not just raise cash whenever he wanted
things are very different now
Tesla is self funding, SpaceX could self-fund, he can't be banned anymore because he bought the platform where he shitposts most of the time

>>16700205
>first China
>now Japan
Eurosisters.... when is our response?

>>16699961
it's to test deep throttling technology, CAS even used a turbojet in one of their earlier models

>>16700214
We're going to hold a meeting soon (about 18 months from now, so not long) to discuss the idea of considering looking at the economic feasibility of rocket reusability. We're on it, don't worry!

will ship 36 open door

>>16700218
Not how ESA works. They'll get government grants to create a study for 4-6 years that will get filed into some filing cabinet god knows where then never used.

Because nobody else posted it yet
https://x.com/spacex/status/1935016991858835827

>>16700231
>static fire
Who fucking cares, launch the fucking rocket Elon.

>>16700231
>tenth
>test

>B7 SF to Flight 1 - 71 days
>S24 SF to Flight 1 - 127 days

>B9 SF to Flight 2 - 85 days
>S25 SF to Flight 2 - 146 days

>B10 SF to Flight 3 - 76 days
>S28 SF to Flight 3 - 76 days

>B11 SF to Flight 4 - 62 days
>S29 SF to Flight 4 - 72 days

>B12 SF to Flight 5 - 90 days
>S30 SF to Flight 5 - 80 days

>B13 SF to Flight 6 - 26 days
>S32 SF to Flight 6 - 62 days

>B14 SF to Flight 7 - 38 days
>S33 SF to Flight 7 - 33 days

>B15 SF to Flight 8 - 25 days
>S33 SF to Flight 8 - 22 days

>B14-2 SF to Flight 9 - 54 days
>S35 SF to Flight 9 - 14 days

>B16 SF to now - 11 days
>S36 SF (predicted) to now - 0 days/-1 days

Flight 10 will be mid-July.

>>16700219
50/50

>>16700237
>Flight 10 will be mid-July.
what happened to elon saying they'd be launching every two weeks now?

https://x.com/LabPadre/status/1935077692728050127
>Well, there you have it. The moment the raptors exploded on Ship 34.

a leak?

>>16700249
Old news

>>16700249
kek already deleted

>>16700249
this was fixed, added fire suppression

>>16699903
You did, however, post the inflatable mattress

What's the typical wait time between a successful ship static fire and a launch again?

>>16700259
2 weeks

>>16699905
How about you try thinking, dipshit.
Launch revenue is trending to be a negligible part of Spacex's income stream compared to Starlink revenue. By the numbers, it's already more of a telecom company than a launch company, even if the launch part is operationally critical.

>>16700252
The photos are new to us
>>16700253
Witch hunt underway

>>16700189
He doesn't need to take drugs to be a sperg. But he does take drugs.

>>16700277
Kek

>>16700203
Psychos don't spill their spaghetti when talking to people. He is genuinely on the autism spectrum.

>>16700203
>Aspies don't travel the world putting themselves into sensory and socially uncomfortable situations
lol?

>>16700156
They want to expand their station to ISS size and eventually do 7-crew rotations.
Also they may keep using it while building ILRS and send 7 crew to lunar orbit in the future, mid/late 2030s CZ-9 based architecture

>>16700249
>engine fucking explodes
>one engine still firing
>stays together despite violently spinning
IFT-1 failure to terminate, the flap burnings, nosecone cooking, S31 roast and S34 are weird glimpses into just how insanely robust starship is in certain ways.

>>16700302
Insanely robust in the wrong way.

https://x.com/booster_10/status/1934800590284243001
HOLY FUCK WHAT?

>>16700307
How nu r u?

>>16700307
Thats ancient
we are on SN243

>>16700309
then why does it say booster 10?

>>16700310
XD

>>16700310
thats a 100

i put poopy in my mouf and i got yummy poo

>>16700325
Wait this isn’t my bluesky tab! Whoops, please disregard. @ULAlaunch can we work on deleting this post please?

https://x.com/squatsons/status/1935103014479786090
>Missiles seen from Jordan.

Well, it looks like the missile show segment of the Iran–Israel War is probably wrapped up. We've had a few small volleys from Iran today, but nothing in the sort of quantity that would pose an issue for Israel's remaining defensive screen. Israel has reportedly destroyed about 55% of Iran's total launch capacity and disrupted the support infrastructure for the remainder to the point where only 20 missiles were launched today, with no successful impacts.

>>16700310
That's just the name of the account. It even says SN4 in the video clip.
You retarded?

>>16700346
They have better launch capability than tory

fun fact, Musk is a licensed pilot

>>16700380
They fly now?

>>16700380
they expect one of us in the wreckage, brother

>>16700231

> demonstrating an in space burn

Yeah. About that...

>>16699955
Looks smooth af nice job yellow man

>>16699999
>>16700000

>>16700396
/sci/ really is a purgatorial desert of a board, outside of /sfg/, huh

>>16700189
>he needs to take drugs to be a sperg
more like, he needs to take drugs to have a normal life

>>16700007
Why the fuck do they still test for barbiturates?

>>16700022
>same mass as orion
>significantly lighter
nigga what?

>>16700203
Autists ARE a kind of psychopath

>>16700022
>it's still the best Lunar capsule ever made
That has never gone to the moon? I declare my house is the best lunar capsule ever made then.

>>16700203
>he doesn't know the elon cycle

>>16700056
Hard HARD bottom left for me, sooner tha better.

>>16700483
They all have a catch
>will get euthanized
>stuck in a slowly deteriorating steel can in space
>personality uploading doesn't work and none of the VR cyberanons are sentient, they just pretend to be
>Doesn't have enough fuel to slow down, and will just keep flying until a billion years of realtime have passed

The three dolts that wrote, edited and reviewed that think "6.5 metric tons" is a perfectly reasonable estimate.

The report actually estimates a million times that, but scribblers don't know from "MT".

Here's the impact corridor. 4%+ chance of somewhere in there.

>>16700380
Kind of funny that he has his instrument and multi-engine but didn't bother getting commercial. Looks like it was right before founding Spacex too.
His medical is uh... maybe a little expired.

>>16700510
lmao

>>16700515
Commercial is a huge huge pain in the ass compared to those other ratings. Way more hours. I can see why he stopped at multi engine and instruments

>>16700511
>15:17 UTC, morning in AZ
I wonder if this would be visible to the naked eye, probably would be to a telescope

>>16700522

6.5 MT is 50s H bomb tier. You'll notice it.

>>16700524
I believe we should steer it into the moon if the probability decreases from 4%

>>16700521
I mean if you're flying regularly, those hours are just going to happen on their own. He probably just got horrendously busy with Spacex and quickly gave up on what I imagine was a notion of flying himself around to all his business meetings.
Now that I actually think about it though, there aren't really any meaningful privileges that come with commercial if you're that rich already.

>>16700527
We should be steering it into Earth

>>16700521
>>16700515
I think he said he just wanted to do it as a hobby, but then when he had flown around a bit, he got bored

>>16700538
Into India, specifically.
Densely populated area of Africa is also acceptable.
Only a gracious God would send a binary to hit both

I need that Tesla lolibot pic, please.

>>16700562
u are very naughty boy

>>16700380
The Howard Hughes parallels just keep on coming.

>>16700511
How bad would the ejecta be if you were a hundred miles from impact? Base wrecking or just no EVAs for an hour or nothing at all?

>>16700380
You guys remember this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtX8B_8cC3o

>>16700597
must have been a big whiplash to go from generally loved to generally hated after going against the covid narrative
the propaganda is relentless

>>16700596
why dont you just try it and get back to us?

>>16700599
Give me a moon rocket and I will!

>>16700511
I wonder how this will impact the Lunar Outpost we certainty will have in 2032, and of course the Lunar Gateway.

>>16698414 (OP)
Golden Dome sisters.... I don't feel good about this..........

>>16700634
radiation shielding, which makes launch capability even more important

>>16700380
>Foreshadowing events in the next episode

Good morning /sfg/, thinking about the Saturn V this morning

>>16700655
next you'll be watching launch videos with the sound turned all the way up and we all know where that leads.

Venus dust devils

>>16700668
Baseball team?

>>16700639
Great, more scammers getting connected to our grandmothers. Thanks a lot, SpaceX.

>>16700683
in a way the grandmothers are paying for mars colonization
grandmother -> jeet scammer -> starlink -> mars funding

Raptor 3 won't be exploding.

Raptor 3 will implode

Raptor 3 may disassemble

Raptor 3 will post funny pro ULA memes on /sfg/

Raptor 3 my beloved

Raptor 3: The Sorcerer