ProjectCyclops - edition
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How about Project Guyclops, and its just for the fellas?
>>16700950 (OP)two weeks, but it's not going to launch on a sunday.
why build space stations when we can build space mattresses?
>>16700965What happens when the trees grow a bit more?
>>16700966you send space mexicans to trim them
If you have a VR headset, just a heads up.
https://x.com/vast/status/1935336542219944118
>Haven-1 VR is officially available for download from Meta, the App Store, and Steam
>>16700970i hate 3d printer fags so much
>>16700968we need a siesta in the mars constitution
>>16700950 (OP)They already started to film the Moon landing because Felon Musk's Starshit can't reach orbit.
>>16700971guess i'll try it out later today
>>16700974just don't pull a Apollo 12 and zap the camera into the sun fellas
>>16700974lol whatโs up with the cope lander design? They already know theyโre doing the mission on starship.
>>16700974why dont they do the smart thing and bring some lights with them?
>>16700973Mars days are a half hour longer so they can have it in that period
>>16700980You wouldn't notice them unless they approach solar brightness
>>16700982>solar brightnesswhat
>>16700983Same reason you cant see stars on the moon unless its night or you step into shadow and dont have sunlit terrain in your field of vision
>>16700991it's actually a musk grilled cheese
a melt is a different thing
>>16700998the one where he screamed at the spacex employees and went berserk after CRS-7
>>16700999actually don't know that one
Ha ha, fuck that retard that made the earlier new thread!
>>16700959hahahaha hell yeah dude
>>16700991He's bringing us the Starfleet Academy so I don't care about anything else.
>>16701022>cool idea>I'm autistically fixated on a superficial element though Yes Elon, we could've guessed
>>16701029It was easy bait for him to take given that the proposal placed it in the same place as Starfleet's academy in Star Trek. Main thing to keep in mind is that this isn't an actual Pentagon plan, it's something a couple of retired officers came up with.
The location is bad for many physical security reasons. They picked it because, beyond the Star Trek stuff, they think they'd be able to tap into the tech talent of the Bay Area. Being integrated into the culture of that area is the last thing the military is going to want for a service academy.
>>16701036Sigh...
>Michael LaValle and DeVan Shannon, both former Army officers, suggest the establishment of a comprehensive military academy akin to West Point, aimed at equipping future officers for the swiftly changing dynamics of contemporary warfare. Their vision, known as the โFrontier Academy,โ is set to be located near Silicon Valley at the Presidio in San Francisco. This site historically functioned as an Army post and, interestingly, served as the fictional home of Starfleet Academy in Star Trek.>LaValle and Shannon contend that the existing U.S. military academies are sluggish in their adaptation and fail to incorporate innovations from the private sector completely. They propose that an academy close to tech giants such as SpaceX and Google would enable students to participate in military reserves while engaging in the private sector, thereby establishing an essential connection between military and civilian technological progress.>The proposal emphasizes insights from Ukraine and Israel, showcasing how young leaders in cyber and robotics assume significant military responsibilities at younger ages. In contrast, the U.S. does not have a clear framework for cultivating young, tech-savvy military leaders.>Although the Air Force, Navy, and Army academies have incorporated cyber and space programs, LaValle and Shannon argue that establishing a dedicated academy is essential to leverage technological innovation for the future of warfare fully.
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>>16701038>giving future officers a California mindsetJeez ... rather stick with the snake handling hicks.
>>16700978Not Al Beans best moment
>>16701020preferred his pic though
>>16700950 (OP)> $10 billion in Gold Backed Federal Notes at early 70s valuation, for a single purpose facility searching out only to 1000 ly for something virtually certain not to exist that close.You think you hate NASA enough, but you really don't.
NB: That's $80 to $90 billion in Trump Bucks.
>>16700965Because His Holiness is on board with the excavation plan
>>16700950 (OP)>jason calencanisIf Elon cares about the Epstein list so much, why is he hanging out with a guy near the top?
>>16701055Catholic lava tube fiefdoms? COUNT me in (no pun intended heheh)
Government-run space program anon reporting in.
>>16701059Pedo is just his go-to insult for anyone who doesn't do what he demands. It doesn't literally mean he thinks the person he's trying to insult has sex with children. It does however beg the question of why that's his go-to insult of choice.
>>16701063Where the fuck does the potential energy for a lightning strike even come from?
>>16700965Interesting concept but how resilient would it be to post failures? How many could it lose in an area before collapse?
Am I going to be explaining Mars mattress to newfags until I'm 90?
>>16701066you could do like airships and make it out of many mattresses instead of a single mattress. airships used many air bladders instead of a single one so that there wasnt a single point of failure.
>>16701071He doesn't even know it's a tensile structure.
>>16701069you could just write it up and post the link until you're 90 instead.
>>16701071>single point of failure.thats the idea itself.
>>16701069Yes. This is the first time I've ever heard of the concept. If you wish to promote it beyond your bubble (or air mattress), you have to be willing to educate those new to the concept.
>>16701078https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2019/11/28/domes-are-very-over-rated/
>>16701076Yeah if you think pressure vessels being punctured works like the movie Alien
>>16701083you mean they dont? i was really hoping to see someone sucked out of a quarter sized hole.
Decompression not being like Hollywood movies doesn't mean habitat leaks aren't an important issue that must be accounted for with something beyond hand waving.
>>16701102I don't think that's true at all
>>16701104it comes from manitou
why is it called spaceFLIGHT? it's not really flying now is it
more like floating, or hanging about
>>16700965why not just replace the mass of the gas above your head with a similar mass of fluid
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>>16701120Our machines operate inside of atmospheres, thus they're all flying
>>16701121Finally a use for aerogel.
>>16701143What "people" is this meant to be a gift from?
It's some euro artist trying to drum up business for himself. No doubt this is meant to be funded by the government, with the money going to him.
>>16701143On paper yes but they've only got 3 statues to their name and none of them use titanium. They also wouldn't actually use only titanium and instead would have a steel structure inside with a only a titanium shell.
Also note the complete lack of any real images outside of the three finished statues.
https://www.ateliermissor.com/pages/titanium-statues
https://www.ateliermissor.com/pages/our-monuments
>>16701143Titanium seems unnecessarily expensive for such a thing.
>>16701143Its fucking stupid and nobody would support it.
That would cost a fortune, and get visits from only a handful of local spics who see Prometheus and say, "ยฟQuรฉ?"
Also the few thousand nerds who travel down there just to take a few selfies, look at the infrastructure for a few minutes, walk on the beach until they have to shit and want to get out of the heat, sun, wind, dust, and biting insects.
Titanium is a stupid choice, why not stainless steel, like this thing in Chicago, its the wet dream of Elon to achieve this level of polish and surface accuracy with Starship. Can you imagine mirrored ships.
An SPMT broke last night
https://x.com/SpaceCosmicCrew/status/1935250265466442025
>>16701155I remember when they had the Bucket to sit on. now it's a little cage thingy, neat
>>16701148So many of the pictures and graphics on this site are just godawful AI.
Clearly from the clips that aren't, those three statues are real and they did actually make them, but the shop as a whole is extremely amateurish. These guys don't know how to run a business or an efficient studio and this project would 100% destroy them before they finished.
>>16701155Holy Shit!!
They move ships and boosters on these things ALL THE TIME. Including that very unit that just would have caused a fall and possible fatalities.
Imagine a booster on there, ready to go, falling into the Starfactory on Hwy 4. Or the office building, housing, bystanders.
>>16701157I refuse to give business to companies with AI slop product descriptions and whatnot.
Why the hell does chatGPT like the green arrow symbol so much anyways?
>>16701143>too lazy to even use a real artist for good concept artAlready over, creatively bankrupt
>>16700965THIS IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN
>>16701143is the gift aislop from this indian account?
>>16700950 (OP)Did Elon even invent this or is it just more retarded waste?
>>16701213>elon>inventing something
>>16701213Elon invented this in your mother's pussy.
HOLTY HSITT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WKwWclAKYa0
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ITS OVER
MUSK LOST
MUSK LOST
how are they gonna test shit at masseys ???????????
im shaking rn
massive setback for the starship program
how are they gonna test ship 37+???
yeah no mars for 2026 nor are we getting a ship catch this year
That's a big explosion and fire, I wonder how big would it be with full stack explosion.
aaaaaaaaaaand 2026 is off the table
see you guys in 2028 or whatever
well, it was good while it lasted
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UH OH STINKY
that's it, i'm killing myself
At what point do you just scrap v2
Things are still catching fire and exploding
that didn't look like a normal explosion.
>>16701153If they really wanted to honor SpaceX, they'd use the same stainless steel as Starship instead of the type of meme material the company typically rejects or at least minimizes.
Q/A issues with rapid changes in designs
>>16701262well titanium is fitting for Prometheus as he was a titan, but that's a lot of extra money just for an obscure nod
>>16701261ULA sniper strikes again.
a-any way to sugarcoat this?
NEVER GOING TO MARS
>CHINA WON
NEVER GOING TO MARS
>CHINA WON
NEVER GOING TO MARS
>CHINA WON
NEVER GOING TO MARS
>CHINA WON
NEVER GOING TO MARS
>CHINA WON
NEVER GOING TO MARS
>CHINA WON
>>16701268The fire will eventually RUN OUT OF OXYGEN AND DIE
>>16701268>this is why we test on ground
Big yikes. God has been punishing Elon for ket binging Indian shilling ways. Think about it the program was going fantastically until trump showed up at a launch and itโs all downhill from there.
THANK YOU ELON FOR BOMBING USA AND GIVING US A BETTER SHOW THAN IRAN
>>16701143Remember when a crypto project dropped this off at Tesla HQ
good morning /sfg/ (volume warning)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aqfu9g9zZUQ
Imagine being at tiles team.
That's not very typical, I'd like to make that point
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The problem is the methane. Very temperamental, you see. Elon should go with a borane-based fuel for v3.
Imagine wanting to put Humans inside that shit
>>16701288Did you buy a ticket to get on that ship?
https://x.com/IntelPointAlert/status/1935550776304156932
different video. absolute cinema
Well, that wraps up Starship launches for 2025!
Did we meet or exceed expectations?
at this point they should just go back to the drawing board and start all over
>>16701291did NOT meet expectations, not even close
Now that the dust has settled, when's the next launch?
Just set up a China size solid motor plant and drop the cost of a solid stage to zero. Fuck this liquid nonsense just make solid prop dirt cheap so who cares if u expend it.
inb4 it was a lithium battery fire from the avionics gear that caused it
>>16701291I blame the chief engineer
>>16701295Israel is blowing up ancient, decrepit, falling-apart museum-pieces like 707s, F14s, and Cobra helis, so a Starship V2 seems like a reasonable addition to that pile
>few hours ago
2 WEEKS!!!
>now
ITS OVER
>a month from now
WE SO BACK
uh oh, looks like saarshit exploded again.
>>16700950 (OP)Q predicted that S36 will explode
>16700840>16700840>16700840
>>16701301Ignore this, we need to put humans inside of one of these ASAP and send them to Mars, it's happening late 2025 or 2026 trust the plan.
It's not too late to convert SpaceX into a fantastic fireworks manufacturer.
thunderf00t-sama... I'm sorry...
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>>16701307Um.
This was posted like 10 hours ago.
https://x.com/dwisecinema/status/1935552171912655045
Thunderf00t-dono, I kneel and squeel!!!!!! AIIEEEEEEEEEE WE ARE SORRY FOR DOUBTING YOU!!!
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>>16701301That doesn't make any sense. Actual ULA sniper
>>16701315i remember seeing that post and i felt my heart jump for a sec
he was right...
>>16701315We have a saboteur aboard
>>16701319maybe it was the door
Man, it's been a while since we've had hardware blow up on the ground
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>>16701323ELON WILL YOU PLEASE SHUT DA DOOOOOOOOOOOOOR
HOW
ARE
WE
FEELING
/SFG/????
lotta doomer happenings this past few months
>Another fifty billion dollars down the drain
>>16701326from "Anotha day, anotha dolla" to "It really do be like sometimes"
here you can buy free money
https://polymarket.com/event/spacex-starship-flight-test-10
>>16701326The explosion was actually a good thing because now they will learn from the mistake and correct it so that the next time it explodes they can learn from that mistake and correct it so the next time it explodes they can learn from that mistake and correct it so the next time it explodes they can learn from that mistake and correct it so the next time it explodes they can learn from that mistake and correct it so the next time it explodes they can learn from that mistake and correct it so the next time it explodes they can learn from that mistake and correct it so the next time it explodes they can learn from that mistake and correct it
>>16701331delightfully counterintuitive
THUNDERF00T, I WRONGED YOU
>>16701319I pray that this was either a deranged Elon hater with a Barrett or a false flag to let Spacex aggressively lobby for some sort of enhanced security zone that will coincidentally also let them turn as much of the wetland into launch pads as they want.
But I know in my heart it was just something retarded.
this is the same company that has launched 500 gralcon 9s.
maybe it's the south texas water
>>16701326I'll go with a "Such is life."
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>>16701322a fucking spacex cook
Do we have a statement or a probable cause?
>>16701341No statement, but as for a probable cause...
>>16701341Could be some kind of explosion
>Starshit v2
How the fuck is a new iteration in design a complete fucking dud? How do you manage to make everything worse in the process of making it better?
>>16701342Sorry, wrong pic
>>16701341Small payback from Trump for Musk's Epstein melty.
Courtesy of the CIA.
Didn't the guy in charge of v2 design leave the company before the first company.
>>16701347Before the first flight*
drone view from NSF
https://files.catbox.moe/lmxmyx.mp4
>>16701344The thing is, Starship V1 is useless. Starship V2 is an attempt to make V1 useful.
>>16701341the elon cheese is melted
>>16701347ULA assassins...
>>16701344we had the Atari 5200 before the wonderful 7800. sometimes the middle child is retarded
>>16701285Has SpaceX ever considered designing a rocket that doesn't blow up?
>>16701346Most likely cause at this point.
Its sabotage until proven otherwise.
the sabotage is coming from inside the house
failure is a rather common option
>ula sniper
>shoddy work
>trump
>mexican welders getting payback for the ice raids
>leftist sabotage
>iran
take your pick. all valid.
don't worry lads, two more decades until Mars base
>>16701074>>16701078>>16701069>Mars mattressThe Mars is a revolutionary mattress designed to provide a weightless, tailored sleep experience. Our natural materials, water-based formula....
>>16701356Rockets are just repurposed ICBMs. Blowing up is their nature, trying to change that is impossible. Just like a person born as a man will never become a woman.
Starship is musk's spruce goose
IT'S SO FUCKING OVER
WE'RE NEVER GETTING OFF THIS ROCK
>Anti-materiel rifles typically have an effective range of 1,000 to 2,000 meters (1,100 to 2,200 yards), with some capable of reaching out to 2,500 meters or even further
>>16701363Add China fuckery to the list.
>>16701356That's heresy Anon.
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HAHAHAHAAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
>Be me, a (former) relatively OG Spacex employee
>Have most of my net worth tied up in employee-only Spacex stock that I can only sell twice per year
>Decide last semester to stay invested even though Elon is being a retard because I have faith in the company
>Watch as they repeatedly make unbelievably sophomoric fuckups for the last six months
>Culminating in them blowing up starship on the pad and probably removing the equivalent of a 3 bedroom house from my retirement fund
Words can not describe the hate I feel
Bros... did China just win?
>>16701382its time for you to go back to the rocket mines to save the company
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBqCDuwZsCs
>>16701368You're right, we're never leaving.
>>16701364>don't worry lads, two more centuries until Mars baseftfy
This gives me great hope. The worse possible thing is Humanity getting off this planet.
Humans are like locusts.
We need another 6 million years of mental evolution before we might be fit enough to become a space faring civilization
>>16701368China will. Elon is just the last gasp of a dying empire.
>>16701384I'm up in Seattle unfortunately. I'm an OG Starlink employee who worked from the early development years up through 2021. Took a few years off and then went to work for Kuiper before deciding that shit was an unbelievable joke. Now I work for a local startup that's also insane and retarded but at least they pay me decent and don't make me work 16 hour days. Stoke wanted me to come work for them recently but I turned them down because they told me they were "trying to work DOWN to 80 hour weeks". At this point I might jump back in just to help kill Spacex out of spite. Maybe starting a family will have to wait a few more years...
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>>16701392update your priors anon population bomb isn't a thing anymore
the real blackpill is we have zero reason to go anywhere else and the human population will peak in the 2080s at something like 10 billion
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Maybe it's not the ULA sniper, but chinese hot air balloons.
I just wrote about some madman shooting the rockets like a couple of weeks ago.
Holy fuck I'm getting so sick of this fucking company. What the actual fuck are they doing? Sure "le iterative testing" blah blah blah, but at some point you have to realise there's a serious problem with your vehicle that can't be resolved with preventative measures if it explodes three times in flight and out of nowhere on the ground.
Does anyone know of a complete list of great filters or points supporting the rare Earth hypothesis? Every year it feels like a new study gets published discovering yet another factor that seems like a prerequisite for life to exist beyond just the obvious things.
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>>16701405>Anomaly What is this, a Star Trek episode?
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>>16701251https://youtu.be/eAoR4h6SQGg
>>16701313Launchpad: Destroyed
Chopsticks: Gone
I just counted with my hand how many times in a row Starship failed, 4 times. I am scared... just 2 more failures and I need my second hand but I am not sure if I am able to count with 2 hands.....
>>16701409oh my youtube poop nostalgia...
>>16701406I think it's one of those Unidentified Anomalous Phenomena we've been hearing about.
>>16701402This is what happens when you run out of Nazi German scientists.
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NSF going schizo
Give it to me straight.
How long before a new launch after this fuck up?
Red dragon on super heavy
>>16701421Massey's has been damaged
so until that comes back online, they won't be able to test ship 37
i would say end of this year
>>16701371the baikonur cosmodrone mission in bo1 was wrong
you wouldnt even need an rpg at that range
>>16701420This is nothing new. ULA sniped AMOS-6 and it was hushed up to avoid an incident.
>>16701355At least they got the data
>>16701398NOO LOOK AT ALL THAT PRECIOUS WASTED HYDROGEN WE WONT GET BACK
>>16701411Sounds like you fear the thumb.
>>16701430>hydrogennu/sfg/ moment
>>16701406They even manated to create physical anomalies like in Stalker.
>>16701418They're not done but they're destined to become nothing more than a telecom company. Starlink will pay the bills and continue to grow for a few more years, launched by a dwindling but increasingly reliable fleet of F9s. Eventually, Starlink will be outcompeted by Kuiper (god forbid) or some other new startup and Spacex will be relegated to the status of "legacy contractor".
The dream of Mars colonization is dead. It has been for years. At best we will see Chinese boots and flags planted in 20 years.
We still goin' to mars in 2026?
So Musk became a terrorist after Trump cut him off from funding. His next step will be to launch his rocket into twin towers
>>16701420The commentators are still on copium
>>16701425> end of this yearOuch.
>>16701437they already have twin towers tho
>>16701287Hypergolic propellant doesn't boil off into space :)
>>16701382>unbelievably sophomoric fuckupsas opposed to freshman or senior fuckups?
>>16701441FUCK did it damage the second tower D:
Saturn V:
>13 flights
>13 successes
>1960s
Starship:
>8 flights
>9 failures
>2020s
Why is SpaceX so shit?
>>16701446It's not near the towers
Things could go from bad, to worse, very quickly.
https://x.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1935577166567141382
>>16701447not enough Germans
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>>16701443>>16701446The explosion was at Massey's, a dedicated test site a few miles from the launch site
>>16701449This nigger is always wrong
>>16701449why does he have experience on this
>The Trumps send their regards
>>16701452>>16701453A reminder that he also said engine chill down was unique to Raptor
>>16701451Well it could have been worse
We're not in a simulation. This is baseline reality. We won't overcome the great filter due to human corruption and greed. We will get another ai winter. We will reduce our energy consumption and production to slow climate change. American and Chinese space industries will lose interest in developing large reusable rockets. Elon Musk will slowly age and pass away, resulting in his companies losing their drive and focus. We will have more regulation that will stifle innovation and start ups.
It's over for Starship really... just failure after failure
>>16701457i mean destroying your test site is pretty bad desu
they won't be launching anything until its repaired
>>16701459>resulting in his companies losing their drive and focus.WHAT drive and focus? They don't have any
Spaceship will rise from the ashes stronger than before, like a Phoenix
>>16701462Good. They need to slow down
>>16701459There's also Bezos, who isn't INSANE
if the nazis won, we would have had a moonbase by now.
von braun was the product of them.
>>16701464cope
im a thunderf00t, spaceguy5, css, and pressure fed astronaut GOD now
>>16701459>We will get another ai winterThank G-d. That shit has been going way too fast.
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>>16701472>s37 and s38 are not far behindyeah but they won't be testing them anytime soon
>>16701473Musk is crazy enough to "test in production" if you catch my drift
What happened to the "starship will reach orbit before SLS/New Glenn clownoids?
Does nothing wins
how does he do it?
>>16701476Sorry I posted the wrong pic
>>16701472SpaceX's own engineers no longer give a shit because they're paid minimum wage
These threads are only propelled by like 5 devoted spergs and a few bots, right?
>>16701464Definitely ashes, I feel like I'm at a funeral
>>16701344The entire premise of """"Starship"""" (renamed three times to try and distract normoids and trick them into thinking they haven't been failing at this for more than a decade now) is complete nonsense. There's no way to salvage any of the work here until they admit this, which they can't because of elon's hubris in wanting to have le biggest rocket in le history. It's a bunch of reddit engineers working for reddit management.
>>16701484No way to salvage anything? What about the engines.
>>16701487Not even them. They are cursed
>>16701482there's been a lot of /pol/ immigrants recently
>>16701487i think the engines are the root cause
Honestly I don't understand how super heavy with its 33 engines ended up being more reliable than the spaceship itself
Why not stick raptors on a falcon 9
Imagine 400 people boarding one of these things
>>16701492Different teams?
>>16701493Methane version of falcon 9? That's zubrins starship mini, right?
>>16701496Yeah I mean why not? The only reason I've heard is
>oh it's not worth it compared to starshipbut starship seems like a janky piece of trash
>>16701472>silver lining : it could've been worse
>Artist's impression of tundra on an inhabited planet around a spectral class F5 star.
G and F type stars FTW, shan't live around a permanent piss-tint daytime.
>>16701492Organisation dysfunction at the production level. While Elon has been having fun in washington, the company has been floundering
>>16701501All stars appear white, yes even red dwarfs. Only brown dwarfs appear visibly red.
How have they been developing Raptor since 2010 and still not figured it out? The Soviets figured this stuff out in the 70s...
>>16701501that's a screenshot from SpaceEngine
>>16701499>>16701499To be fair, that's essentially what a silver lining is
>>16701501A civilization built around a white dwarf will last forever...
>>16701504It's not like it's rocket science
>>16701507Red dwarf is better. It has normal light you can use, and just look at it, it's white. It's not red.
White dwarfs are pure cancer, spewing out UV
>>16701508Imagine making a bad omelette ten times in a row and then storming out of your kitchen while muttering "cooking is hard" under your breath. That's SpaceX right now lmao
>>16701512Elon doesn't give a shit. He's just tweeting crap about his drug test.
https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1935567072114667775
>Starship 36 exploding during testing tonight.
kino
>>16701516The tanks look ok desu
>>16701513Being a level-headed engineer and having to work under a lunatic has got to be demoralizing.
https://x.com/rookisaacman/status/1935571474678460754
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1935531784978186276
first time I've seen Musk mention Sergio Gor
he was supposedly the perso that convinced Trump to drop Jared Isaacmans nomination due to a grudge against Musk, Musk called him out in a cabinet meeting for working too slowly
>>16701522not sure if bait or retarded
>>16701519Maybe their morale would improve if they built a rocketship that didn't explode
>>16701143Looks cool. If they'll be financing this themselves, then I support it.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1935452434039718375
>The WSJ & New York Times fake โjournalistsโ lied through their teeth about me.
>Now letโs see their drug test results.
>They will fail.
Musk also showed test results from hair
https://x.com/_Testflight_/status/1935327312372973683
>>16701472And just think of all the science they'll be able to do on the ground to iterate future ships while they wait for Massey's to be fixed!
>>16701503>All stars appear white, yes even red dwarfs.Is this actually true or not? I keep hearing about this and based on just putting a light source with the temperature of an incandescent bulb in a 3d scene and cranking up the luminosity stupidly high kind of gives me that impression but I was never able to accurately test it because programs like Blender are a shit and don't work well with astronomically high values for distance and light, and Space Engine & Universe Sandbox are toys in the department of accurate light colors.
https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1935550661396984216
>Ship 36 explodes during static fire attempt at Massey's.
>Here's what it looked like earlier this afternoon, June 18th.
>>16701505oh yeah? which star system?
>>16701069just post the Handmer article, its also where the pic that is posted more often comes from
https://caseyhandmer.wordpress.com/2019/11/28/domes-are-very-over-rated/
>randomly explodes on the pad
Starship program is cooked lmao welcome to the Chinese century lads.
>>16701524Is Musk trying to set the world record for accumulating the most enemies?
>>16701537masseys should be fixed before v3 ship is ready
might mean that the remaining v2s (S37 and S38) are skipped if it takes too long to fix
>>16701529Not saying that's fake but why on Earth would you believe a billionaire's claim of having a negative drug test? Do you really think he couldn't easily buy a negative result?
>>16701541he was already an enemy before this post
https://x.com/BellikOzan/status/1935570009587110152
something that have come up to me has been sabotage through being sloppy on purpose
>>16701511>if you look at it, its white>shows optical image showing the visible incandescent tint
>>16701541Gained himself one enemy and probably gave that guy significantly more
>>16701301so the header tanks failed or something?
https://x.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1935549822674592233
>wake up
>somehow even worse news
>go to sleep
>wake up
>somehow even worse news
>go to sleep
>
haahaha oh my fucking god
If Alpha Centauri has planets, where would the orbital plane be? We already know Proxima Centauri's is only partially aligned, and the orbit likely means it cannot be the same as the binary pair.
>>16701553Gor was already an enemy
>>16701552Ok now look at the middle. It's white. There is a slight red tint but it's overwhelmingly white
>>16701559Well the math works out even better, then
>>16701552Does it look like this? The way it's always drawn? A dim, baleful red sun rising enormously over the horizon its wretched planets?
No it looks like a normal white star with a hint of red around the edges.
>>16701553At least Gor's rockets don't explode
>>16701143doesn't really fit the aestethic of SpaceX
The first evidence of failure isn't even where the tanks are. Main nor header.
Kind of looks like a feed line problem.
>>16701557>Rigel Kentaurus has a planetary candidate observed through direct imaging, possibly a super-Neptune>it shows up basically top down or bottom up from Eaety's perspectiveWell, I guess that answers that question.
>>16701155first this and then the explosion
will this cause an investigation?
>>16701410nigga this is masseys, not the launch site
>>16701586Nigger the entire site was destroyed
The fireball reached all the way from Masseys to the launch site
>>16701316kino, especially the secondary explosions at the start
>>16701586Nigger the entire coast of texas was destroyed
The fireball reached all the way from Masseys to Houston
>>16701592https://x.com/rodamn/status/1935559093797920888
lmao. That was a nice adventure, but now it's over.
>>16701601this is one of many similar test explosions
its nowhere near over
>>16701590Anon stop being retarded, S36 had at most a 10% prop load.
>>16701326>I don't think we making it out of the hood (Earth) bro
More scientists wasting everyone's time. A 30,000 km space elevator beanstaking Ceres. For all that work, not as much benefit as you might think. 60% reduction in energy to toss mass off surface and a 15% fuel savings.
>>16701382the valuation is driven by starlink more than anything, I doubt this will affect the valuation much
>>16701609what's the point of a space elevator for a body with such low gravity
>>16701382How much is it down in %?
>>16701537V2 are exploding further back in the launch process. Next one blows up in the Gigabay.
>>16701619There's no meaningful valuation of SpaceX shares so there's no price
>>167014515 miles from starfactory, almost 7 miles from the launch site
Another Starship destroyed the second tower
>>16701425> Two launch towers> One test siteWhoops! Found the Gate.
>>16701502"fun"
not so sure about that lol
Stop being so negative folks, failure is how we learn, how else could they have learned that methane can explode?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=71AwkBt3_ts
>SpaceX Starship 36 Explodes During Flight 10 Testing at Starbase
compilation of some NSF cameras
>>16701613Someone trying to make tenure got a paper out of it. That was the point.
>>16701619they get valued just a few times a year during secondaries (times when some outsiders can buy stock from current stockholders, including employees) or when SpaceX raises funds
last time SpaceX was valued at 350 bil
if I had to guess, this will not have an impact, the general trajectory has not changed and SpaceX has no real competition right now in launch or satellite broadband even if kuiper has had one launch
>>16701635> Move the forward flaps slightly> The ship explodes in a massive fireballOkay, let's not do that again.
>>16701586nigger the entire earth has been knocked off its axis
Who knows where we'll end up now
We might even end up in the orbit of Mars
>>16701341Catastrophic Over Pressure Event
https://x.com/theshapeofstars/status/1935553476001485171
> NASA's FIRMS (Fire Information for Resource Management System) detected the blast.
*waves*
The solution is just to build China size solid motor factories to drop the cost to nothing and do away with this reusable liquid propellant nonsense
https://x.com/StarshipGazer/status/1935612630057546071
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The Long March 9, which extensively references the Starship, will be delayed.
>>16701650Why do spaceflight enthusiasts sound like homosexuals now?
https://x.com/RyanHansenSpace/status/1935582031255085273
>Initial armchair aerospace engineer analysis suggests one of the COPVs in the payload bay, which are arranged around the header tank transfer tubes, may have blown and punched a hole in the windward side of the ship while also severing both header tank transfer tubes. Ship belly starts to unzip and the fwd dome is damaged leading to mixing and ignition. Important to note that there were workers up around the payload bay on S36 in recent days after the successful single engine static fire.
https://x.com/RyanHansenSpace/status/1935587787891515775
>Here are the COPVs in question. There are 6 dark cylinders, 3 on each side of the header tank transfer tubes. This is right at the base of the nose cone where the initial puff appears.
https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1935567018163315039
>These 2 images were taken 3 months apart: February 24 - May 25, 2024.
>Hopefully the stand can be repaired soon.
Can't catch a break with those ULA snipers
>that moment when you finally find that one scientific paper you were looking for and it scratches the autism just right and gives the data you needed for the project
https://x.com/JerryPikePhoto/status/1935566487219216625
>60 FPS Half-Speed replay of Ship 36s RUD tonight
https://x.com/TheRocketFuture/status/1935565787286364386
>Close Detailed Video of the SpaceX Starship Explosion from 1.8 miles Starbase, TX
4K version will be available shortly in the other place.
>Some animals in the foreground, a safe distance away, but scared for sure!
>SpaceX really became a powerhouse after CRS-7 RUD
>Starship first major RUD today
You know what this means right?
200 launches a year soon
>>16701667https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yw_AABU4h1E
the 4k
>>16701667kek, dozens of beetles might have died right there
What the fuck happend to SpaceX
>>16701671Talent bleed. I'd fuck off to if I was asked to go back wageslaving like a third rate worker instead of comfy WFH.
>>16701671It's just a rough patch.
>>16701671this is not unusual
Why did Elon risk the Trump curse? He'll be broke in 2 years ;_;
https://x.com/ShanaDiez/status/1935579087487013232
https://x.com/AlexanderJ91756/status/1935572224410620107
>>16701676He has lost the mandate of heaven...
https://x.com/ESGhound/status/1935552978666025239
>>16701683N1 on steroids. The cybertruck of aerospace
https://x.com/DrChrisCombs/status/1935552833740316887
>>16701684is it you that has been posting this? faggot
On the test stand, the mighty test stand,
The Starship RUDs tonight
Near the Starbase, the peaceful Starbase,
The Starship RUDs tonight
https://x.com/peterrhague/status/1935605246077636956
I think the test stand might be ok actually, minus the smaller bits
Should just make an expendable Starship at this point. No flaps or landing hardware. Just a steel tube with some engines under it. Sure, would cost like 20 million extra a launch but now you can get +250t to LEO.
>>16701690Holy mother of copes
>>16701692i think this is what they will pivot too
>>16701690I don't think Elon gives a shit about Mars anymore so he won't be trying hard for anything
beatings will continue until success rate improves
>>16701692How would that prevent it exploding before orbit?
this is a nothingburger, SpaceX will fix the test site in a month or two and launch S37 and S38 and then switch to Block 3 and keep launching
its the middle of June now, the first Block 3 will launch by the end of the year or start of next year, so there is still like 6 months before that
masseys fix takes 1-2 months that still gives 4 months to launch the final block 2 stacks
this might actually not effect the timeline at all
Hey PSA if you're in the area I'd seal your doors and windows. This thing has distributed several TONS of silica fiber (from the tiles) towards population centers. This stuff is akin to Asbestos. Stay safe.
>>16701511>>16701552>False color Hubble Space Telescope WFPC2 image taken in 2013. The bright lines are diffraction spikes.both of you are btfo
@anon Hey I have to go to the bathroom, can you watch Ship 36 real quick
HULLO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C_L-qgHsE0
>>16701703its not going to be airborne you retard
>>16701710its already deposited dust and shit everywhere down wind
>>16701635>>16701646forward flap tested not long before the explosion
how could that affect the COPVs?
>>16701659maybe the flap movement was just a coincidence
>>16701711dust, not atomized tiles
someone's getting fired and screamed at lmao
CNN: Fiery But Mostly Peaceful Rocket Test
>>16701703>>16701710>>16701711>>16701714Few if any towns in that area, just cows and fugitive kangaroos. Port Isabel and SPI are upwind of whatever is in that radar image.
Good morning /sfg/, thinking abo- OH MY GOD
Yeah, that shit won't have a human boarding it until 2035. I can't fucking believe chinks will get back to the moon first.
Block 2 really gets the biggest useless piece of shit award
I told you to start learning Mandarin, you didn't listen.
well class, what did we learn?
>>16701735spics are bad workers
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>>16701251HOLY SHIT LOOOL
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>>16701742he's seething lmao
at the rate starship is regressing i expect the stainless steel rolls to start spontaneously combusting in a weeks time
they probably need hazmat suits to enter the area
it's brain drain is my opinion.
>>16701760No, it's
>>16701736They hire retards who don't care about QC.
>>16701750>MR MUSK, WHERE ARE YOU?
Mars in 2026
Trust the plan
well, time to get a different hobby for the next six months
>>16701763haven't they made some kind of commitments to hire locally a lot
but this could be just a freak accident like with AMOS-6 COPVs
something weird new happening that they know how to prevent in the future
So guys we're still good for Starship Flight 10 at the end of June?
>>16701771yeah it'll be the bomb
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Procyon A is weird. Despite being 1.478-1.5ish solar masses, it is already appears to be in the subgiant phase despite models predicting a 1.5 solar mass F-type star to have a lifetime of 3.75 billion years, yet estimates put Procyon A as being less than 2 billion years old. Assuming the model is correct, it would need to be closer to 1.9 solar masses initially and have shed about 0.5 solar masses to get to where it is now.
>>16701778>Procyon A is weirdYOU'RE weird
>>16701770That wouldn't be such a big deal if management wasn't retarded. If you had smart and responsible people then they would fire those lazy retards.
https://x.com/BCCarCounters/status/1935656559037563280
>Just in case it was not clear, the @FAANews
has confirmed to me that ground testing is not a licensed activity with the FAA, that demands any sort of mishap investigation.
>This will be a purely SpaceX conducted investigation.
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1935660973827952675
>Preliminary data suggests that a nitrogen COPV in the payload bay failed below its proof pressure.
>If further investigation confirms that this is what happened, it is the first time ever for this design.
When are we cancelling Starship?
>>16701790"does nothing" is really descriptive
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1935662667492139188
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1935657396229329167
>>16701787so it got sniped?
>>16701796Heโs at his low point
SpaceX's failure might convince Honda to start a permanent rocket division since their competitor is facing problems
>>16701763Nail on the head. t. Knower
I know; Iโll call the president a pedophile and call for his impeachment then blow up my rocket
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BgJEXQkjNQ
>SpaceX - Static Fire Anomaly - AMOS-6 - 09-01-2016
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMOS-6_(satellite)
>On 2 January 2017, SpaceX released an official statement indicating that the cause of the failure was a buckled liner in several of the Composite overwrapped pressure vessel (COPV) tanks, causing perforations that allowed liquid and/or solid oxygen to accumulate between the liner and the overwrap, which was ignited by friction.[14]
>>16701780>YOU'RE weirdI AM.
>Elon stops tard wrangling SpaceX for half a year
>Nothing but failure after failure after failure
So much for the "he just got lucky and hired the best people for the job by pure accident" cope
>>16701805lmao you're really seething huh
>SpaceX is finished because defective COPV exploded
go back to /pol/ retards
are these COPVs even parts they make themselves? or are they supplied from a third party
>>16701816Coping like itโs not a big deal lol
>>16701820The flight failures weren't a big deal and this is considerably less than that
>>16701816>Dude it's not their fault they put defective COPV in the exact place they can blow up the entire rocket when they fail
>>16701821Thanks for doubling down and proving my point :)
>>16701823>faultYou don't understand. The magnitude of a problem doesn't depend on who is at fault
>>16701816They have been making COPVs for how long now? Itโs meant to carry human beings.
>>16701821At a certain point your iterative program has to stop blowing up and actually start working
You guys don't get it, they got so much data out of this failure, it was totally worth it
>>16701805shut the fuck up
I'm a tier-1 muskrat and I trust the plan. Mars could explode and Elon would still have a colony on it by 2032.
>>16701821>erm yeah, the rockets were failing in flight but now they are failing before they can even be stacked for flight. Therefore itโs better!Yes yes everything is normal comrade, perhaps I am delusional and should go to the infirmary!
>>16701826>>16701829Bitchmade kek
Go work for Peter Beck
>>16701810So, he's going to stop all the other distractions and re-dedicate himself to SpaceX since it cannot operate successfully without him?
Or he's going to keep acting like a spastic junkie that can't pay attention to anything for more than a few minutes? Can we get him some of that autism he claims to have so he will use autism's "deep special interest" power to get him to focus on Starship?
>>16701134they arent generating aerodynamic lift therefor they are in space.
>>16701833>made up sentence that was never saidkys
>>16701447how can you have 8 flights and 9 failures you stupid cunt?
>>16701690The 2026 window wasn't on the table even without the ship 36 RUD.
>>16701823>in the exact placeYou mean anywhere on the rocket lol
>>16701839Itโs called Starship being a piece of shit and failing in the sky and on the ground
>>16701841So Elon was wrong
>>16701846you are a tranny
>>16701846Never heard of Elon Time?
>>16701846He exaggerates these things all the time and sets expectations slightly higher than reality
>>16701803Does Japan's post-WWII restrictions on guided rockets impact Honda's ability to get into the market?
https://x.com/PjMichael8/status/1935657277370905072
>>16701790Nothing wrong with getting rid of 32% of NASA. Problem is which 32% they get rid of. Unfortunately we know that orgs like NASA when forced to downsize, tend to let go of the people actually doing productive work while keeping the management layers and all the nepo hires.
>>16701849I'm not, but Elon's son certainly is
>>16701857NOOOOO
You HAVE to make an expendable rocket now because the COPV exploding means reusable rockets are a bad idea retard
>>16701835>>16701846>>16701861>elon>elon>elonyou're parasocial with elon musk
lmao
>>16701865Don't project, and he's not going to give you a couple doge coins to defend him
HOW DID HE KNOW???
>>16700837
>>16701868that is crazy kek. you are obsessed with "him"
touch grass immediately
>>16701818Anyone have the photo of the Starship wreckage that looks like a face
>>16701787I thought Starship is/was going to use autogenous pressurisation. The nitrogen was just a temporary thing? Go all in.
>>16701871Not prophetic when starship currently has a 100% failure rate
>>16701545>muh billionaireCommunism isnt an American thing. Hello commie
>>16701874It's for spin start and purging not tank press
>>16701874Yes true, though there is rumor they are giving up on autonomous pressurization
>>16701874raptor 3 will fix this
Can they go back to the suborbital type test stand for cryo and static fire at the launch site?
Probably Massey's gonna take a while to repair
It's still crazy to me that out of 9 Starship flights, SpaceX hasn't had a single one that ended without issues.
Also, why not just downsize the payload, and rocket size and make many of them for a Mars mission?
big dildo = big issues
small dildo = small issues
Crazy how aside from one successful hop landing and the catching of super heavy (which granted is a great feat) spacex is still at the same place they were in 2020. Itโs been five (5) years yet the same failures are keeping the program stalled. We were watching tanks hop and pop and explode during the pandemic. Maybe someone higher up at spacex can suggest they actually try iterating with their iterative program?
@grok why don't you just design the spaceship?
>>16701887Big rockets amortize fixed mass parts and are more efficient.
You always wanna go big although stuff like the heat shield and Raptor could have probably been ironed out at smaller scale first
>>16701885no, there is no suborbital test stand at the launch site and building one would take longer than fixing this one
>>16701890IFT-1 was in 2023 wtf are you talking about?
And since IFT-1 there's been a bunch of milestones reached.
>>16701887wrong
flight 5 had no issues
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Starship_flight_test_5
Remember when people were doomerposting saying it would take a year to recover from this? Then it took like 2 months lol its the same thing
>>16701896its nowhere near the same thing
this is a nothingburger compared to IFT-1 pad explosion
Remember when tards were blaming FAA for slowing down Starship progress?
I bet they only did so well before because FAA forced them to a proper investigation and fix stuff, now they have free reign and look where it got them
>>16701894>since IFT-1 there's been a bunch of milestones reachedLol
>>16701900just last flight they reused a booster
>>16701895>flight 5 had no issueswrong
It's unironically not that bad because V2 ships are useless and won't launch any real payloads beside shitlink simulators, Massey's will be repaired in time for V3
>>16701898Is that photo not from IFT-1?
>>16701906I mean IFT-1 pad explosion was much worse and still just took a few months to fix
this explosion delays things, but its not a massive problem like the doomers think it is (and think every mishap is basically)
they are going to fix masseys and keep testing
Incredible amounts of sugarcoating from Muskrats ITT
>>16701899>now they have free reignBut nothing changed with the FAA?
Mr GPT told me one of the SLS RS25 engines costs more than a full starship stack. Is that true or is samas baby hallucinating again?
>>16701909Like they're still requiring investigations for the last flight failures.
All the test tank ground explosions didn't reauire investigations either
>>16701914they fix the test stand and find out why the COPV exploded and keep testing
>>16701914Another melty from the โLon
>>16701912kek then what is all this shitflinging even about? I knew oldspace was a joke, but this is completely insane.
Is anduril vs traditional arms suppliers similarly crazy? I feel like I need to buy some stocks
>>16701914Two weeks resets, again.
>>16701921Nah defense is a bit different. Everything is overpriced and thereโs no incentive to undercut. Anduril products wonโt be as good, and anything that IS as good or better than what boeing or lockmart or grumman or raytheon etc will be given the same price range contract.
If we go to war; buy. Thatโs true of everyone tho
>>16701251Imagine 1000 people in this pos when it exploded.
>>16701925>no incentive to undercutYeah but if I as a potential investor and non-us taxpayer only care about company profitability that's a plus.
>>16701921SLS is just especially egregious and also human rated and also not produced in any real numbers so it's not comparable
>>16701939Ship 36 status?
>>16701942In a better place.
https://x.com/jackywacky_3/status/1935673043008835903
>>16701939You could even say /sfg/ is EXPLODING
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhJRzQsLZGg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATP6_fFLFp0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qw3uaLRrYNY
>>16701955there was a fire still 1.5h ago
>>16701088You could plug a hole in the ISS with your palm
>>16701939Rapidly expanding post rate. It's on fire.
>>16701934You're confusing Starship with BFR
>>16701961but i definitely saw a large xenomorph hybrid sucked out of a quarter sized hole. are you trying to tell me that movies dont always strive for scientific accuracy?
>>16701273Holy shit you're right. He lost the mandate of heaven after the Christmas meltdown
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https://x.com/clwphoto1/status/1935681757577166904
>>16701971>scorched tanks
>>16701273>>16701968Grim. Doesnโt help that heโs tweeting edgy atheist bioshock quotes. The hubris! He flew too close to the sun with his wax wings and God is enacting divine justice
>>16701814ACAB
ALL COPV ARE BAD
>>16701871He didn't say when.
>>16701979He said "no gods" not "no God"
>>16701326https://youtu.be/SibnQt-oh2g
>>16701536I already posted the article and I'm the one that posts the picture every day
>>16701971doesn't look that bad
some starship debris around
>>16701992Holy fucking shiiiiiit. Kino. Sad, but kino
>>16701990yeah I saw that
>>16701609Did you guys know you can buy the materials for a Ceres space elevator on Amazon?
So much for beating China to the Moon lol
>>16702002never spacex's goal
>>16701656This is actually really funny kek
>>16701735Hardware rich development is fine if you can mass produce hundreds of engines and your rocket hull can be contructed in an open field. But if your rocket is exploding and destroying critical infrastructure that can't be mass produced in a factor, suddenly you have issues.
I completely expected something like to happen btw. Rockets exploding is fine in orbit, but not so fine when it's happening to your launchpad. Even when SpaceX is able to produce dozens of Starships a year, if 1/20th of them explode on the launchpad or fail the tower catch, that's months of delay irregardless of how fast you can produce new rockets.
It's just the testing site today, but we will eventually see a launchpad go up in flames and a failed catch. Artemis III by 2035?
>>16702012Not exploded (yet)
>>16701778>observe stars for 0.0000001 billion years>from several light years away>from just the surface >try to extrapolate to +/- several billion yearsThere's going to be a lot of weird shit when our model is this unavoidably inaccurate
>>16701811No one who likes spaceflight isn't seething right now
>>16702016that's why there's 5 launch pads
>>16702022But only one testing site?
>>16702021ESL doesn't know how irregardless is meant to be used
>>16702016COPV was a problem for F9 as well, so this point is retarded
>>16702002There's an argument that
1. it doesn't matter we already went to the moon 50 years ago
2. when Starship is operational we'll build colonies there
3. exploration missions =/= utilization (which is what matters)
>>16701659>WHAT?! ADD EVEN MORE FIRE SUPPRESSION YOU SAY?!Unironically how do you fix COPVs ripping your ship in half
>>16702023its never meant to be used
>>16702028you make better COPVs
>>16702024Every tower catch is running the risk of a massive catastrophic failure.
>>16701979>atheist bioshockjewish
https://youtu.be/RrFnsax4lvE?si=9Muab87KMqQx5tz4
If Elon were actually redpilled instead of whatever it is that's rotting his brain, several problems just wouldn't have happened.
>>16702035so is driving your car on the highway
>>16702040its used by retards
>>16702035The booster is an empty tin can.
It would not be so bad if it exploded on the tower / pad while landing.
Before launch full stack explosion would absolutely melt the entire launch site to the ground though.
>>16702042its misunderstood by retards
>>16702045its not a real word, you are retarded
use regardless
I don't understand why they can't just build and slap an adapter on Pad A and put Starship on top of it. We have seen them improvise shit all the time like the Raptor dance floor and disposable hot stage adapter. Would take no longer than a week to construct something that could adapt Starship to the normal pads rather than rolling up and down the road to masseys every fucking time. Would save a lot of time in the future too
>>16702037So having dozens of launches a year isn't feasible until Starship gets F9 tier reliability. When you're launching and catching that often, even slight chances of RUD on both takeoff and landing means that you're gonna roll snake eyes eventually. And of course, the sheer size and scale of Starship, the way SpaceX is pushing the performance of the engines and the fact that the design isn't even fully finalized yet, means that it's probably gonna to be decades before Starship is anywhere near the reliability of the F9.
Good thing that Lunar and Mars missions using Starship don't need 15+ refueling missions that has to be conducted within a period of weeks to avoid excessive fuel boil off... oh wait.
>>16702041Maybe if my car was a cybertruck
>>16702044Even a minor explosion will result in lots of damage to the tower, moving parts+the engineering complexibility needed to support Superheavy means that minor damage will still take it out of commission for a long while.
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/irregardless
>Although well attested, this word is widely regarded as nonstandard and incorrect. Its use is proscribed by many speakers, who consider it inappropriate in any formal setting.[1][5]
How much less thrust is needed for the upper stage if they switch to expendable?
>>16702047they could, but is that quicker than just fixing the test pad? and how much quicker is it
>>16700966Look... they don't... you can't... It's fine!!!! Just shut up, OKAY!?!
>>16702046>its not a real wordyes. thats the point
>>16702049>Maybe if my car was a cybertruckcatastrophic accidents happen everyday with or without a cybertruck.
>>16700971This is implicitly acknowledging they're not building shit.
>>16702055the point is to be retarded on purpose? are you just pretending? kek
>>16702059>the point is to be retarded on purpose?its just a joke and used ironically. are you pretending to be autistic?
>>16702055The point is that Starship by it's very design, development process, scale and size is gonna to be prone to failing more often than other rockets. Same for the tower catch. And again, due to said scale, them exploding or failing the landing is gonna cause alot more damage. A fully fueled Superheavy+Starship stack exploding will be legit a mini-nuke.
>>16702064it is what it is
>>16702064>A fully fueled Superheavy+Starship stack exploding will be legit a mini-nuke.sure. thankfully it shows no signs of doing that.
We really should have abandoned Block 2 after the third failure. I don't understand Musk's obsession with this piece of shit. If Block 3 truly fixes all these problems then they should have abandoned Block 2 a long time ago. It clearly is a failed experiment
>b-b-but not enough Raptor3s are ready!If you just stop exploding you won't need to build more than a handful at a time.
>>16702053Yes? They have to order/build new tanks, basically replace a whole facility and infrastructure that got nuked.
Giving Starship a way to use Pad A and Pad B would be 1000x easier of a solution right now than rebuilding Masseys. Plus the road closures and the fact that compared to Masseys Pad A is literally indestructible
>>16702063just because you dont get a joke doesn't mean its retarded. try to remember that.
>>16702064Yeah that's why they're using their infinite Starlink money to constantly test to failure, and then significant Starlink launches to test hundreds of flights in normal operations, so when people finally ride it it's as safe as Falcon 9
>>16701251>Saarshit V2 has failed more times than V1 at this point with zero successes to offsetLMAOOOOOOOOOOO
>>16701120>>16701134They only fly when they're not in space. Groundsit or Groundroll, Airflight, and Spacedrift.
>>16702067No, it's a consequences of Elon's "hardware rich development". Again, you can pump out rockets from a factory by the hundreds, you can weld together stainless steel plates in open fields. But there's always gonna to be bottlenecks somewhere, and that somewhere is gonna to be launchpads if Starship keeps exploding at this rate, especially if Elon continues to push for more and more launches.
>>16702068Starship has been going backwards for the last year.
>>16702072Again, you can pump out Starships by the hundreds. Doesn't mean shit if the critical infrastructure like launchpads get blown up every 10th launch or 10th failed landing. Bottlenecks always exist somewhere. What's next? Building dozens of launchpads?
>>16702069but block 3 doesn't automatically just fix everything
this COPV failure is probably completely independent of Block 2 vs Block 3 and I would guess the leaks in the autogenuous pressurisation are also an independent problem not fixed by raptor 3s
>>16702069also they don't have to rebuild everything, the amount of damage is still unknown
>>16701971>>16701955
>>16701143No, it's a grift from someone who wants to take a cut or maybe even all the dollarydoos.
https://x.com/Dillonshrop06/status/1935560820009705920
possible partial power outage happened because of the starship explosion rattling something
>>16702079> Building dozens of launchpads?yes actually
>>16702073Because some times the best part is an actual part and not just shaved away in hopes that it's not necessary.
>>16701839Because another one just cooked off on the ground long before launch? Holy fuck you're retarded.
>>16702086>Expendable launch infrastructure
>>16702079>Starship has been going backwards for the last year.only when the booster comes back to land. bad jokes aside, yeah, its not done great recently but thats not to say its a permanent decline. just relax. why the driving urge to complain so much?
>>16702089they will keep blowing up as much as is necessary until a rapidly reusable starship is reached
>>16702091>why the driving urge to complain so much?Oh I don't know, maybe Elon gutting NASA, creating DOGE, sucking off trump; only to have a tantrum afterwards. All while ignoring SpaceX
>>16702080>block 3 doesn't fix everythingIt (according to Musk) fixes the leaking that have blown up the last three IFT flights. SpaceX just needs to bite the bullet and move on to it already. The COPV failure is just a flashy nothingburger, it isn't a hard problem to solve just build stronger COPVs.
>>16702082Pretty sure at least one of the tanks outside exploded. There is a reason that all the large vertical methane and oxidizer tanks around Pad A were turned into small horizontal ones behind a concrete blast shield
>>16702098That was what he said about block 2
>>16702097many such cases
>>16702097I have Elon Nigger Fatigue
>>16702099He only said block 2 would fix the nonexistent payload to orbit issue
We clearly see the leaks come out of both the raptor2 seams and the aft attic, both of which don't exist on Block 3.
>>16702103Fishing starship parts
>>16701261excellent observation
>>16702082>>16702103I don't know man those tanks look pretty fucking close to the explosion. I think it is time to test Starships on Pad A and later B as well. It's not like they are testing that many different ships in tandem these days anyway, capacity is hardly an issue
>>16702111Most of the pipes probably need replacing too.
>>16702085nah i think it's just the camera exposure adjusting
>>16702113>pipesThey are definitely fucked from that. You could see it wipe out the power as far as the factory with how much it shook the ground
Why do they keep putting tons of unprotected infrastructure and tanks right next to the giant explodey fuel silo? Are SpaceX retarded?
>>16702117Is this a new Massey's ship test stand? I don't know what I am looking at when people post random pictures
>>16701155>An SPMT broke last night>>16701251>static fire test explosionElon shouldn't have made that tweet. Everything went downhill ever since.
>>16702098it hasn't been the same leak
7 was a oxygen/fuel leak above the ship engine firewall (so in pipes leading into engines)
8 was a leak in the engines themselves
9 was a propellant leak probably (not known where yet) with autogenous pressure loss
v3 will solve flight 7 problem by not having a firewall/area where pressure can build up, but would not automatically solve the leaking issue in the pipes, they have to solve that anyway for block 3
8 is again a problem in the v2 raptors and at this point I think it is unknown if that is a problem that is inherent to v2 raptors or something that might be a problem for v3 raptors as well
9 again some other leak, might or might not be fixed "automatically" with block v3s
if anything v3s will be longer with longer propellant vacuum jacketed pipes
the COPV failure has nothing to do with V2 or V3 either I'm pretty sure
so 3/4 problems will have to be solved with or without moving onto raptor 3 I would think
>>16702102the attic didn't cause the leak did it? the attic just enabled the leak to become a catastrophic problem by building up the pressure
>>16702114look closer, a few of the lights go off while others stay on
>>16702124oh yeah the space x logo flickers for a sec
>>16702127>are ya winning, block 2?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZGMta2525W4&
>>16702003So why did SpaceX pitch the Lunar starship HLS as an important part of Artmeis III? Because at this rate, it's Starship HLS that's gonna to be the main bottleneck of Artmeis III
>>16702131>account for explosions under the ship>forget to account for explosions above the shipOopsy
>>16702132for cash nigga
also Artemis 3 is still probably going to be the long lead item
>>16702132Beating out their competitors for the money
>>16701810>Elon acts like a turboretard, on top of abolishing WFH>Talent start looking elsewhere before their SpaceX line on their CV becomes worthlesswow such surprise
>>16702138>>16702134I thought Starlink was an infinite money printer?
>>16702128>not even neon, just white LEDsGrim
>wake up
>check /sfg/
>spaceflight is over
Oh
And here I really thought we had a chance
>>16702150There's no way to sugarcoat these composite overwrapped pressure vessels.
We should have known from the Titan submersible this was not the way
>>16702142You can't build starships from home
>>16702146more money never hurts
it also gave more credibility to the programme at the time, starlink wasn't really that mature then
not sure if the credibility or money is really needed now but it wasn't possible to know how well or quickly starlink would succeed
SpaceX got the initial award in April 2021 (before litigation and so on from bezos) but the competition was started in 2019
starlink was far from a guaranteed success at that time
https://x.com/JerryPikePhoto/status/1935710504015593563
>Status of Masseys Test site as of this morning
>>16702160>homeHe was in the white house playing Diablo on his gaming PC like a retard while ships burned
>>16702162As it is, Starship HLS is gonna be the main delay for Artemis III. I won't be surprised if Artemis III happened somewhere in the mid-2030s. The 15+ refueling trips for every landing is fucking stupid, even if Starship is wayyyy cheaper than SLS
>>16702166>>16702168Figuratively nothing left
>>16702169The real question is why, for the first time ever, has a COPV exploded? Are they pushing the pressure to extreme levels or did the autistic CEO start removing material from critical components to "save mass"?
I think this is the highest resolution official render of CZ-10 we have yet kek.
According to the official planning
>In flight abort test of the CZ-10-launched Mengzhou
>Low altitude (hopper) test of CZ-10
are still planned for this year. However the main launch infrastructures at pad 301 of Wenchang and its associated dual VAB aren't nowhere ready for a launch this year.
Former could use a solid rocket or a CZ-5B, later may use one of those makeshift launch pad that were used for the test flight of the CZ-12A prototype a few months ago.
https://x.com/clwphoto1/status/1935681757577166904
From the boat
>>16700950 (OP)meanwhile, scientists:
>โThe models were rightโ: astronomers find โmissingโ matterhttps://www.esa.int/Science_Exploration/Space_Science/XMM-Newton/The_models_were_right_astronomers_find_missing_matter
engineeggers BTFO
>>16702176Looks like they are really rushing for their lunar landing if they are testing the Mengzhou so much years before the intended rocket for it launches.
>>16702179all this time they had a 'dark' matter component of regular matter? lmao
>>16702184it was under the couch
>>16702058So one VR experience probably made by some intern just invalidates all the pictures and videos of them building shit?
>>16702028stop proonting them
>>16702089>make everything reusable apart from the launchpadseh, close enough
>>16702188Are SpaceX's COPVs proonted?
>>16702107Damn that's a lot of dirty air spraying out over texas.
https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1935567018163315039
maximum 3 month delay
minimum ~1-2 month
>>16702194>On February 4, 1846, President James K. Polk instructed American General Zachary Taylor and his troops, including 2nd LT. Ulysses S. Grant, to begin moving south towards Brownsville. Once Taylor arrived, he built Fort Texas. It was later renamed Fort Brown in honor of Major Jacob Brown,[12] one of two soldiers who died during the siege of Fort Texas.[11][13]
>>16702166"How did Starship do? To shreds you say. "
"How is the Test Site holding up? To shreds you say."
>>16702193I'm gonna bet 2 1/2 weeks. After all, they could just skip the static fires entirely
>inhales copium
>>16702173>or did the autistic CEO start removing material from critical components to "save mass"?but how could he do that when everyone says he was ignoring starship because he was in DC too much?
>>16702193"Mars in 2026! 50/50 chance."
>>16702198They aren't mutually exclusive. Musk not being at SpaceX and Musk being at SpaceX both can fuck up Starshit in different ways
>>16702184do you know what dark means?
>>16702202of course
very convenient
https://x.com/brickmack/status/1935707861939572959
For your consideration
>>16702117best part is no part
>>16702150>wake up>go to /sci/ 'log>/sfg/ has 400 more posts during euro hoursuh oh
>>16702179>it's antimatter
>>16702208>MISHANDLERS COULD BE HERE>MISHANDLERS COULD BE ANYWHERE>I HATE MISHANDLERS
>>16702208Now the Nitrogen tanks they added to suppress explosions in the hull are also exploding.
That's adorable!
>>16702194>>16702195nominative determinism
>>16702211SpaceX decided they had to do a test at Midnight because -- why were they doing a test at midnight? Couldn't they wait for morning and the day shift?
>>16702218Doesn't matter it still would have exploded, just later
>>16702218>shiftwork only stops when you pass out from exhaustion
>>16702208It's time for SpaceX to start dressing like adults!
>>16702182Mengzhou/Next generation crew capsule is just an older project than CZ-10.
They've been working on Mengzhou since early-mid 2010s, flew a subscale tech demo in 2016 (top left) then a full scale prototype to High earth orbit in 2020 (top right).
Meanwhile the CZ-10 architecture as we know it (before it was a more direct CZ-5 derivative with a different lunar architecture, bottom left) only dates from 2018, then because of the internal rivalries within the Public aerospace sector (Crewed spacecrafts are only made by CAST, but launchers are made by CALT, SAST, CASIC... see bottom right) they had to do an internal selection process over various launcher designs by different bureaux/subsidiaries. Full and exclusive start of CZ-10 dev probably only started in 2020.
Right now it is largely speculated that the ground infrastructure at Wenchang is the long lead item for CZ-10 and the reason why the maiden flight was delayed from late 2025 to 2026, and now speculated to be late 2026
>>16702208Genuine question, how do Starship stans cope at this point in time?
>>16702221SLS chads I kneel. I am sorry I ever doubted you. At least you don't combust during a regular static fire test
>a tiny COPV tank explosion is enough to tear a hole through both propellant tanks
Bros maybe making the hull of a few millimeters of ultrathin steel wasn't a good idea
SpaceX is currently doing a massive unintended experiment as the largest private company in the US and the future of US spaceflight. The experiment is to see how an operation breaks down if you have a system that ensures there is absolutely no institutional knowledge built up over longer than three months.
>>16702219I've worked graveyard. The workers and quality of work that late are -- suboptimal. Maybe someone who wasn't falling asleep or wired on go juice might have noticed the problem early enough to head it off.
>>16702232SN-era SpaceX was incredibly based. 2025 SpaceX is incredibly cringe and incompetent
I love how even the most pro SpaceX pro Elon Musk place on the entire internet is now calling out their failures and calling him an idiot, the world is healing.
>>16702224Weird that launchpad infrastructure is what is delaying the CZ-10 considering how fast China tends to build large scale infrastructure projects. The LM-10 was in development for such a long term, surely they had all the time in the world to develop the launchpad infrastructure years in advance?
>>16702235Would they have known the COPV pressure was too much for it to handle without rupturing?
>>16702235noticed what? there is nothing to notice if this was some internal lamination
>>167022381 mistake is fine
2 mistakes in a row is questionable
3 mistakes in a row is alarming
4 mistakes in a row someone isn't doing their fucking job properly. Musk can't just sweep this under the rug like he always does
COPVs are gay anyway.
Make them out of stainless like the rest of the rocket and then you can have the beaners bang on them to their hearts content without breaking.
Dispensing with aerospace procedures and hyper caution is good m actually
Guess I better start learning Mandarin.
>>16702243this is just not true at all
its a different problem every time
>>16702243>Musk can't just sweep this under the rug like he always doesWhy? You're gonna make him?
>>16702208>Elon Musk will finally learn that middle managers are absolute scum, worse than uselesstell me how I know he hasn't worked a single day in his life without saying anything.
>>16702247The problems have something in common. I know second order problem solving is difficult below a certain IQ threshold but please try to keep up.
>>16702228having taxpayer cost-plus money helps a lot
>>16702245Anon, the COPV rupture breaking the steel propellant tanks is what caused the explosion.
SpaceX needs titanium.
Or tungsten.
>>16702238Because he was in the perfect position to change things for the better but fucked it up spectacularly.
>>16702252listen to me...
AD...
A...
MANT...
I-UM!
>>16702252>titanium/sfg/ pick the color for your titanium starship
>>16702248/sfg/ will make him. He lurks here and he folds like a deck of cards under peer pressure, we have seen it
>>16702252Any rupture of a 300 atmosphere containing man sized pressure vessel is gonna break shit.
You need to prevent the rupture by making the vessel out of reliable material like stainless steel.
CF is unreliable if you don't handle it right.
>>16702241> SpaceX did nothing wrong! It was God's plan that tank exploded!And now people are claiming perfect knowledge of the sensors and monitoring of a Starship subsystem, as well as Supply Chain qualification and inspection. And that no mistakes were made. As debris rains down across the Mexican Border.
The Cope.
>>16702255Hmmm, I choose the brassy rose. Also this would be really fun if this ended up being a thing where we can choose the colors of our starships in the future
>>16702255Green is my favorite color but purple metal is sexo. Reminds me of the Covenant from halo
>>16702250they don't other than your schizo EDS
they iterate, find new problems, fix those problems, new problems come up and so on
if it was the same problem you would have a point
but it isn't, so you don't
Elonbros fuck the titanium COPVs what if jusr make the aft of the ship titanium so it can't leak anymore
>>16702239The wenchang construction teams (there are several, notably one under CALT, and another under the PLA) seem to hit some delays nowadays, the Hainan Commercial pads had a good year of delay and still faces infrastructure problem after their inaugural launches, there may be general problems with the teams there, also seaside construction in a jungle with regular typhoons may not be easy.
By contrast launch pads spring up like mushrooms in Jiuquan, Space Pioneer and Landspace's just got operational with two more in advanced construction, and CASC apparently started construction on a CZ-12/12A/12B (Zenit/F9 size) pad with the goal to finish it in only 5 months from groundbreaking; Haiyang (Shendong) is also quickly growing with 3 new "pads" (CZ-12A test infrastructure which according to a recent announcement will be reused for future launches, Space Epoch's and a new multipurpose sea launch platform) becoming operational since the start of the year.
>>16702260There's a poster here that will insist nothing is wrong no matter how bad things get and if you start to convince him he'll accuse you of concern trolling
Mental illness level stuff. I think spaceflight might be his only source of personal hope in life
>>16702260moving the goalposts
the post I was replying to was whining about this test being done at night
doing it during the day would not have helped with the COPV issue in any way
>>16702265> New problems are good!Is that really where you want to go with this?
>>16702265>if it was the same problem you would have a point but it isn'tAgain, I understand second order problem solving can be difficult. Feel free to take some time to ponder before making your next post. I'm sure you'll get there with some supplemental time.
>>16702274new problems are inevitable
>>16702255>CSGO knife Starship
>>16702275let me guess, its Elons fault (by either being there or not being there)
>>16702276No, actually, it is possible to build a rocket that eventually doesn't explode in unexpected ways every flight. This has been conclusively proven, actually.
>>16702272> m-m-moving the goal post!Had to move. Because fiery debris from the most recent Starship explosion was raining down on us.
>>16702282if you never try anything new then I guess
Show me what a COPV made out of rosy titanium would look like. I know one of you tankwatching nerds can 3D model
>>16702280>CEO not present>no institutional knowledge maintained>overworked employees>waning morale The only other possible reason is that there are fundamental problems with Starship itself, which is a premise I refuse to accept due to the implications that has for my own personal suicide
>>16702285disingenuous faggot
>>16702286>newThey've been attempting the same exact mission profile 4 times now, without even minor progress
>>16702291> Stop making fun of my boyfriend! He just borrowed that money from me until his band gets signed!And Elon fangirls hit bottom.
The funniest part is how it doesnโt get better, it just keeps getting worse
Next time launch pad explosion
Ahem...
> Four straight V2 failures in a row with disparate causes strongly suggests an institutional/procedural deficiency in current design verification and review processes and/or manufacturing oversight and acceptance testing. IMO if these aren't assessed and rectified then there is absolutely no reason to assume that V3 ship will proceed any more smoothly. This is a people/organizational problem, not a gadget problem.
Maybe SpaceX should add a pusher plate to the ass of Starship, so it can use all these explosions to get to orbit like an orion drive
>>16702293are you pretending not to know or do you not actually know?
they are different problems
are you the person that insisted that SpaceX was lying about the root cause of Flight 8 being different from Flight 7?
a COPV exploding has absolutely nothing to do with leaks in the raptor engine and could have happened during any flight if this same design was used
for instance the COPV that caused the loss of AMOS-6 had been used multiple times before
>>16701808, the only difference was that they loaded somewhat colder helium
https://web.archive.org/web/20170216160231/http://www.spacex.com/news/2016/09/01/anomaly-updates
> In the short term, this entails changing the COPV configuration to allow warmer temperature helium to be loaded, as well as returning helium loading operations to a prior flight proven configuration based on operations used in over 700 successful COPV loads. In the long term, SpaceX will implement design changes to the COPVs to prevent buckles altogether, which will allow for faster loading operations. there will be no new problems if you never try anything new and this can be seen by looking at what the rest of the aerospace industry has achieved compared to SpaceX
>>16702305Next time vehicles in the employee parking lot start randomly blowing up.
>>16702308> there will be no new problems if you never try anything new and this can be seen by looking at what the rest of the aerospace industry has achieved compared to SpaceX!I can take four consecutive flights on any airline and be reasonably confident I won't die from the plane exploding.
Can't say for Starship, can you?
>>16702318because starship is still under development
fucking retard
>>16702318Your mom can ride my cock four consecutive times and still claim she doesn't cheat on her husband. What's your point?
>>16702306Yep, see whole threads by former Starbase worker from last month
https://x.com/MorganWKhan/status/1922148207242666266
>>16702308and I mean even if you look at "legacy" aerospace manfucturers like ULA, they had an explosion during Centaur V testing and a SRB anomaly on flight 2 (that could have easily blown up the whole rocket if it failed slightly differently)
>>16702327maybe its time to get rid of the tent era mexicans
>>16702327>I've been told there is rocks, bolts, trash, and human waste inside these vehicles but have not been able to verify.
elon doesn't seem to give too much of a shit lmao
>>16702322> They're supposed to explode!Can't think of any aircraft/space vehicle where the first four units all exploded sequentially. Maybe the V2, but that was 80 years ago during war time conditions.
>>16702326Well, she doesn't lie either, which makes you my father. Welcome back to life, I love you.
>carbon fiber is a good boi he don't do nuffin>>16702345Rolling starships to a separate place for testing was always retarded
too many people itt have been rude to me for no reason
just put in a tip to CNN that the "rocket experts" in the spaceflight thread on 4chan's science board are helping Iran
fuck you
>>16702342The consequence of "moving fast and break things" is that things can and will break
>>16702357They are moving fast and breaking things without fixing any of the problems that caused them to break things. Get off Elon's dick, I beg you
how come iran can make icbm at less than 500k each but oldspace cant make an orbital rocket for less than a billion
COPVs can't even be reused for that long without suffering damage apparently, why the fuck were they chosen for a reusable spacecraft anyway? Is SpaceX actually retarded?
https://www.nasa.gov/centers-and-facilities/nesc/advances-in-understanding-copv-structural-life/
>>16702307>under Imperial law, planets without crewed space travel at the time of assimilation into the Second Empire became colonies, governed by outworlders and at the mercy of the Imperial Traders Association; but planets with crewed space travel, even primitive space travel, became self-governing>Back in Haven, Dougal's men used the acquired knowledge to build a primitive crewed spaceship, adopting a low-tech design of Robert Goddardโa rapid firing cannon using high-explosive shells detonating behind the ship to provide propulsion (but which might blow up the ship).https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David%27s_Spaceship
>if only you knew how carbon-fibered COPVs really are
>>1670236412 months until the first tankers for Mars 2026 have to start launching. Almost ready to go. Just a few more minor bugs to work out.
>>16702307Why is it a plate? Wouldn't it be more efficient if it was a bell shape around the explosion? Otherwise wouldn't half the explosion just do literally nothing?
>>16702366I thought they werent using COPVs in the original design. must be another trash tier choice. Starship is beyond saving.
>>16702378There will be an eleventh completely unrelated issue that causes S69 to explode during manufacturing
>>16702364they fix the problems that broke things but new things break
>>16702380They were going to make the propellant tanks for ITS out of carbon fiber iirc but then they realized that is fucking retarded and stopped. Not sure why they didn't with the COPVs. With carbon fiber you lose
>>16702366probably just a temporary solution
changing COPVs between flights is not a big deal while you work on more pressing matters and SpaceX has a lot of experience with using them
>>16702388>not a big dealExcept that time when it became a Massey's-sized deal
>>16702387this is the whole point of doing things quickly
so you can fix them quickly
instead of designing something for years for it to break anyway because reality is more complicated than the engineering model/simulation you used
https://x.com/RyanHansenSpace/status/1935743922380104121
>>16702394>instead of designing something for years only for it to work perfectly on every launch
>>16702388Blowing up another rocket and a critical testing facility seems kinda pressing. Makes you wonder what other spiders are hiding in the bedsheets.
>>16702395They will stick with V2 Starship because they are obsessed with watching it fail and explode. Raptor 3 will come out in two more weeks (tm)
>>16702345Remember when this nig nog said it would be a year before another launch back when the concrete got messed up
>Ctrl+F Angara
>no results
Seems like Elon's blunder stole Putin's thunder. First non-test payload for the Angara A5 Proton replacement launched last night.
another example of oldspace development methods used is Blue Origin, yet their second stages keep imploding
doing things fast is good actually
problems tend to prop up whether you do hardware rich iterative development or not
>>16702394they forgot the move fast part. its been well over a decade since the program began.
>>16702404https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHJijS8_ywo
>>16702405The real differentiator is whether you are hiring smart whites/asians, or oldspace boomers and pajeets. BO and SX both have the latter now
>>16702394Just worked, no failures and developed in less time than Starship is taking.
>>16702402This time he is right though. There is no reason they shouldn't just adapt Starships to Pad A, at least for now. When have they ever needed to test a booster and ship at the exact same time? We are literally at least a couple YEARS away from that becoming a real problem
>>16702405fundamentally different issues though. New glenn is minmaxxed to fuck, which is why the second stages in real life conditions sometimes collapse. Its because its a mature design (in CAD) being pushed too far.
SpaceX on the other hands does shit on the fly and makes hundreds of retarded decisions which add up. Starship is FAR from minmaxxed. It's famously dozens of tonnes overweight and gets heavier with each change. Useable paylaod of 16t to leo shoiuld tell you there is a problem.
>>16702409Chad SLS
Also Blue Origin's rocket, which while it has landing issues, can still make it to orbit on its first try, unlike Starshit
See:
>>16702413
>>16702413to be fair there was a hell of a lot more money and manpower thrown at that beautiful rocket, and it was fully expendable, a bit smaller and a bit less powerful
>>16702404We're waiting for the mission success confirmation and the high resolution footage that will come with it
>>16702419They do things to reduce mass, which causes problems, which causes them to add solutions which ultimately add more mass than they started with. It is extremely funny, and it never stops happening
>>16702421> Fully expendableSo is Starship. It isn't supposed to be, but....
>>16702423>landed on the moon several times>can't get to orbit without beyblading in LEOSaturn V:1
Starship:0
Still exploded less times than Starship btw
>>16702423not really comparable. one thing that the guys working on Saturn had was that a lot of them had come right through from the Redstone-Mercury days when they were blowing stuff up every week. all of that experience went into a project which had a really flexible budget and all the political support you could ask for. They did great work
>>16702423Apollo 1 was more successful than Starshit
>>16702432again with the goalpost moving, what an absolute faggot
did Saturn 5 have problems or not? turns out it did
>IS THAT A MEXICAN IN A TENT? OH MY SCIENCE, AMBATU COMPOSITE-UNWRAP AAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK
>>16702436Starship canโt even open its door nigga
DOOR STUCK DOOR STUCK
I BEG YOU
PLEASE ;(
>>16702441You got one word in your repertoire there, buddy? Youโre like a starship, a one-trick-pony (it only knows how to explode!)
>>16702436> Saturn had p-p-PUH-problems too!Are you unfamiliar with the concept of proportionality?
>>16702432Now SpaceX can't get out of the 210 Area Code without exploding. It's getting worse.
>>16702446I wasn't the one making the claims of a perfect program
Saturn V is such a different vehicle from Starship that comparisons from either side dip into arguing from analogy. Stop it you two
>>16702452> Saturn V that blew up: ZeroDon't know why you think you're winning here.
>>16702454did it work perfectly?
>>16702397no
>>16702453didn't bring up Saturn 5 but you are right, Starship is a much more complicated program as well and has demonstrated things that Braun could only dream about (a booster reuse)
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can't wait for eager's follow up video!
>>16702252COPV ruptured below the specs limit. So thats an issue. Not just for steel but also for any other material because every material has design stress limits, if they breach below the stress limits its not material property issue but design spec issue
>>16702413You may not like it but German engineers built that rocket
https://x.com/realhomerhickam/status/1935754918666629126
>If ever @SpaceX needed some love, it's now and I'm ready to give it to them. When I was sick, I got an amazing card from @elonmusk signed by dozens of his hard-working employees, not to mention tons of swag. I love you, @SpaceX. You are a great American company that has risked everything to make us a spacefaring country and world. God bless and keep you! Prodigious.
just send S37 without static fire
YOLO
>>16702427right and the booster catch is doing very well. turns out self landing reusable saturnV rockets is hard job.
im sure youve had this endlessly explained to you many times here but you keep spewing your bullshit over and over again. i wonder whats wrong with you.
https://x.com/ashleevance/status/1935759765684338702
>>16702488> I'm just going to pretend the most recent booster also exploding in a fireball on return didn't happen. My cunning plan can not fail!Please stop. You're making everyone sad.
>>16702489A quick glance at the name and I assumed it was another concubine
>>16702489'tis but a flesh wound
>>16702494EDS posters make everyone sad constantly
>if you admit the rocket exploded you are not aligned with the cause
>>16702489> Letting the exploding rockets guy rewire your brain.Thanks, but no thanks.
>>16702498if you constantly over and over again find yourself going on and on about the failures in a gleeful manner, you have lost the plot entirely.
>>16702489https://x.com/ashleevance/status/1935761212069102077
might be a video documentary? Ashlee has been doing those now, also started a podcast, I listened an episode with Palmer Luckey and it was pretty interesting
>>16702499This anon
>>16702497 already did that. It seems to be working phenomenally. He is literally incapable of even thinking something negative about the starship program.
>>16702500> This isn't funny you guys! Stop right now!We'll stop when Elon stops blowing stuff up like a defunct Vegas casino.
>>16702500You argue with anyone who declares there are fundamental problems at SpaceX or with Elon despite repeated explosions. If you've raised a man to godhood and refuse to discuss real implications for spaceflight then you've lost the plot.
>>16702502>incapable of even thinking something negative about the starship program.not at all. i just dont feel the need to endlessly bitch about it while sounding happy and enjoying myself.
>>16702505>>16702506more EDS from the same guy. if you find yourself thinking of people who understand that sometimes things go boom as having 'raised a man to godhood' then you've had enough internet for this month.
Two V2 left, both of which will explode. Then on to blowing up the new and improved V3.
>>16702514> Things blow up all the time! It happens!
>>16702517it must be so stressful for you being this unreasonable and obsessed. just try relaxing a bit and enjoying whats going on in the new space race. try not to think about elon so much too.
>>16702514Do you think the Starship program is going well? Is it going as well today as six months ago?
>>16702530>just don't talk about major events in spaceflight on this spaceflight forumI see the problem now. You don't realize you can just turn the screen off
>>16702531it could definitely be going better but that goes for most programs. of course it would nice if each flight went perfectly but a few bad runs dont cause me much long term angst. theres other stuff going on, other launches to look forward to. i just cannot understand the endless focused seething generated by elon. you have elon on the brain. Acute Elonitis.
>>16702535how you can think that applies to me is truly a mystery. im not the one going on and on and on about some problems in a particular program run by a particular space company.
>>16702541> it would nice if each flight went perfectlyFlight? Starship just blew up on the ground. The engine wasn't even firing. It was just sitting there trying to hold pressure and it exploded.
>>16702547yeah yeah ok anon. i know thats its completely impossible for you to be reasonable about this subject so theres no point carrying this on.
enjoy your quest to constantly and joyfully bitch about things, i hope it brings you much happiness and fulfillment. reddit thanks you for your service
>>16702555You have argued with at least three people this entire time. It's not the same guy. You're being enough of a freak that other people are jumping in. You've also been doing this for months so everyone fucking hates you now.
>>16702562you are schizophrenic
>Scrap Version 2 of Starship
>Scrap Version 3 of Starship and Superheavy
>Scrap both pads, both Megabays all work at Florida
>Redesign the entire platform for 12m like God intended
>You now have plenty of room for engines and mass to add FIRE SUPPRESSION NITROGEN when your mexi-welds leak again
>Also keep space free in the top of the towers for hydrogen fueled upper stages
>>16701504>The Soviets figured this stuff out in the 70s...Well.....
How many more Starships do they have in the gigabay that are ready/close to ready for testing?
How long can they take to repair the static fire test site?
Hot take: everything is going to be alright.
>>16701120It's more like throwing yourself at the ground and missing.
>>16701859It's always the science projects isn't it? I really want all those things that help us figure stuff out, like the crater radio telescope on the moon, a giant gravitational wave detector, etc.
>>16702202Sounds like your theory is infinitely adjustable and untestable
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lgvzo1EoaoI
>Episode 201 (with Casey Dreier and Eric Berger)
Anthony is joined by Casey Dreier, Chief of Space Policy at The Planetary Society, and Eric Berger, Senior Space Editor at Ars Technica, to talk about the NASA 2026 budget proposal, the Jared Isaacman saga, and all the space policy storylines you could imagine.
>>16702587https://spacenews.com/the-administrations-anti-consensus-mars-plan-will-fail/
casey wrote an opinion piece a few days ago
>>16702589>The act of sending humans to Mars should reflect the best of ourselves, a projection of our ideals of cooperation, commitment, and tenacity. It should embrace scientific goals and build stronger alliances. It should serve a clear national interest. The 2026 budget plan does none of this. It is an act of sabotage and, ironically, of self-sabotage. Its legacy will not be boots on Mars, merely a lingering societal regret at throwing away so much, so quickly, to achieve so little.
>>16700950 (OP)Will they actually increase the cadence next year? Or will it be again ~5-6 launches?
>>16702595the first block 3 ship is not expected to be finished until the end of the year but Masseys test site is also used for cryo testing of both boosters and Starships, not just static fires, so if some of that got damaged it might affect the development of block 3 as well
>>16702131
>>16702308>a COPV exploding has absolutely nothing to do with leaks in the raptor engineIt means sloppy work
>>16700950 (OP)4 days until the First Look of the Vera Rubin Observatory.
>>16702608maybe, or it could be something completely novel
its crazy that spacex cant figure out a basic ass rocket. we're not asking for orion drives here.
>>16701695I don't either but some spinning space stations would be cool
https://x.com/StarbaseTX/status/1935784373992714428
I wonder what this looks like in visible light. Red prominence's look really badass during eclipses.
>>16702612>wide field survey telescopeit will not produce pretty pictures! it will catalog billions of tiny dots barely moving or changing in brightness. valuable data but not something that makes you go aww
>>16702612In the 5 coming years, I'll go /out/ as much as possible to do my milky way /p/hotography.
>>16702623Srarbase City will soon be a ghost town as the starship project winds down
>>16702628it will find the ayys zooming around our neighborhood
How long until Falcon 9s start exploding
>>16702616*basic ahh my fellow zoomer
>>16702621Add some vinegar and you got a salad bowl colony. Assume the oil is so the water does not boil off ...
>>16702571https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RD-270
>>16702624ok. well, he's pregnant. remember: it's 2025.
>>16702624>A man named AshleeAmericans are something else
https://www.spacex.com/updates/#starship-static-fire-update
https://x.com/booster_10/status/1935786283667771533
>Aerial view of Masseys test site after Ship 36 exploded during testing.
>>16702679I guess this is a screenshot from
https://www.youtube.com/live/Qy_VCU3xzeU
https://x.com/FelixSchlang/status/1935761531691532348
>Our photographer @Jordanguidry6 is in the air right now. We'll know more about the damage at SpaceX's Massey Test Facility shortly! this guy is an annoying faggot but seems like this time they were first to take aerial pictures of the site
Kitten Space Agency in game, earth atmosphere now with ozone
>>16702679Doesn't look that bad
>>16702671tldr: spics installed a damaged COPV and QA didn't give a damn
2 weeks
>>16702690Does ICE need to visit Starbase?
>>16702690no they didn't. it didn't explode. stop concern trolling. ship 36 will launch humans to mars tomorrow
TLDW; it did mostly nothing but the water tanks and nearby pipes got really, really fucking hot
Is the next V2 ship close to ready or is it fucked? How about V3 ships? Do we even have any in construction yet?
https://x.com/mcrs987/status/1935801053712195754
>>16702691Maybe
https://www.ice.gov/webform/ice-tip-form
>>16702718More like "not great, not terrible."
>>16702682by this guy I mean the WAI host
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnOHpxHd1cg
>>16702712>explosion rotated the Earth 30 degreesIt's never been more over
>>16702671How long have these fuckers been making COPVs for? Big sign the company is cooked.
>>16702329https://x.com/torybruno/status/1646572389193625600
>Outside of the test rig/ stand. Test article is inside (you canโt see it). Hydrogen leak. H2 accumulated inside the rig. Found an ignition source. Burned fast. Over pressure caved in our forward dome and damaged the rig.from 2023
>>16702732Carbon-fiber fucking sucks as a material long-term and has to be handled very carefully so it doesn't explode into spaghetti under pressure like a rope holding a ship at bay
>>16702366
Raptor is cheap and starlink is printing money, but how much longer can SpaceX afford to sink money into Starship if it keep failing? If it's 2029 and it's still a coinflip if Starship makes it to orbit, when will it be time to pull the plug and start over?
https://x.com/ycombinator/status/1935795261126889944
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFIlta1GkiE
new interview, mostly about AI
>>16702746>start overNever and it doesn't make any financial sense to do that. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with Starship. Competent people would have taken her to orbit already. It's these boneheaded decisions, insufficient monitoring, and obsessions with mass savings that lead to the ship spiraling out of controlling and exploding when gently touched
>>16702404>Putin's thunderNobody outside the odd person here watches Russian launches. They show nothing but 55 different angles of Angara clearing the tower then nothing.
And it's likely put it in the wrong orbit, again.
>>16702679https://x.com/FelixSchlang/status/1935816880624734666
better resolution
>>16702753Without the extreme mass savings, Starship looks to have a payload closer to the FH than the Saturn V. At that point you're looking at 30+ refueling trips for a Lunar/Mars mission...
>>16702757that looks expensive
>>16702758You get a functioning overbuilt vehicle first and then iterate it down, just like they did with Falcon 9 except they are retarded now.
>>16702764move fast and break things
>>16702758>payloadpayloadpayloadpayloadIt's irrelevant. The fact that Starship can be refueled (and even refueled using another planet's resources one day at that) and 100% reused makes it have a literal infinite budget. As long as it can make it to space with 0.00000000000001kg of extra payload on board then the system works.
>30 refueling tripsYes, and it takes about as long to do as refueling 3 ships if you actually start mass manufacturing swarms of ships to rendezvous instead of exploding one every month on earth. There's literally no risk, there is only 1 of these 30 ships that has people on it
>>16702589> Trump's cuts to JPL's funding threatens the existence of life on Earth, says Casey, head of JPL's pep squad. Also, there are more than two genders, and Casey is at least three of them.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAcR7kqOb3o
>Orbital Data Centers Yes or No
new eager
>>16702767That's just silly. You can't just launch 30 rockets at once, I don't care how cheap they are.
>>16702767> Yes, I have never heard of the term incremental cost. And I do passionately believe that 1 nanogram of payload per launch works economically.
>>16702776concern trolling
it will be fine
>>16702773so is it yes or no?
What are the most stylish looking page catalogs for celestial objects?
>>16702776Anon, in Musk's official starship plan, 1,000 starships are sent to Mars at once. If 1,000 ships at the same time is expected, then 30 at the same time is not that weird
>>16702777At least in the beginning, a little bit of fuel is literally the payload. Any amount of payload is payload, you just need to build more ships. Additionally, nobody has even built a payload that Starship can use. For reference, even Falcon Heavy gets jack shit to do, and even then the only reason it is used is typically for special orbits, NOT because the payload is heavier
>BUT MUH STARLINKSStarlink 2.0 minis have kept the company running so far, and I can assure you no matter how underwhelming of an amount of Starlinks a heavy beefed up Starship will carry, literally no other company will have as many laser links in 100 YEARS as SpaceX has in orbit today.
>>16702789> Any amount of payload is payload, you just need to build more ships. Just highlighting that. If you completely ignore the cost of getting payload to orbit, marginal and amortized overhead, the numbers work.
https://x.com/FelixSchlang/status/1935823701183795667
>>16702799We will rebuild
>>16702799Just adapt the main pads at Starbase for Starship. SpaceX is retarded
>>16702802and what if there is a problem like this there? one of the reasons these are far away from the actual orbital launch pads is so the systems there don't get fucked up
massively bigger tank farms, tower systems and so on
>>16702805>what if there is a problem like this there.That place could tank Hiroshima if it really wanted. The tanks are low, far, and behind several meters of reinforced concrete ramps. The pad itself is bolted by steel and concrete deep underground, practically the whole top 15 meters of the ground there is completely artificial and bolted to the earth. The piping and connectors are hidden under literal blast doors. The tower itself would shred an airliner like a cheese grater with hardly a scratch.
If Starship exploded on Pad A or Pad B, the holddown clamps would be gigafucked, but that's just about the only thing, and those are replaceable. Reminder this whole thing is designed to survive a whole fully fueled superheavy and starship detonating without ending the program
>>16701891Designing a spaceship is a massive undertaking that goes way beyond just sketching a cool concept. It involves thousands of engineers, scientists, and specialists working together to tackle insane challengesโpropulsion systems, life support, structural integrity, thermal protection, and more. Each part has to be tested to the extreme, and even then, failures like explosions can happen. I can provide insights, analyze data, or suggest ideas, but the actual design? Thatโs a human team effort, with people like those at SpaceX iterating through trial and error to push the boundaries. Respect to them for keeping at it despite setbacks.
>>16702799All things considered, i was afraid the tank farms would be damaged, but they look okay for the most part other than the charring. Even the two container offices look to be fine aside from charring. There's probably some smaller damages to metal pipings but Im not expecting much damage tbqh. The main damage is the stand itself, atleast the top part of the stand.
>>16702782Depends on delay.
>>16702357"Moving fast" doesn't help when it's just running in circles with your ass on fire.
>>16702811Also, you don't really need to risk them at all if you think about it. You can just cover the clamps with the adapter ring that connects starship to Pad A, that way the adapter takes the brunt of the damage instead of the complex clamps. Just don't use the clamps at all. Starship doesn't have very many engines for them to be necessary, as shown by the test stands
Watching a lot of Scott Manley and wow does he have a hate boner for China. Like he's one of those reddit types that tries to be non-political and delivers news and info in a neutral way, but he's always throwing in some subtle and non-subtle jabs at chinese space news whenever he talks about them. In some extremely petty ways too.
>>16702821He's a reddit lefty and you can tell from his deliveries on all things SpaceX. He can't help it, he's human after all.
>>16702826The Reddit left loves China though
Is it the V2 rapture engines that is causing all these failures lately? If so why do they not scrap them and avoid all the disastrous PR? They clearly don't work and the V3s are different and already being made, so just scrap them instead of using them up for the sake of using them.
>>16702821Maybe don't drop your rockets filled with the most toxic propellants known to man on inhabited villages if you don't want people to talk shit about you?
>>16702830He shits on their attempts to solve this issues though
>>16702829No, thermal cycling of the composites of a nitrogen COPV mad it microtear then inevitably rupture and the intense pressure blew a gaping that connected the LOX and methane tanks together so the fuels mised. A little bit of ignition and the whole thing detonated instantly
>>16702834Full of typos but you get the idea
>>16702829they exaggerate how far they are in the development of v3. its nowhere near ready for installation on the vehicle.
>>16702829only one of the 4 recent failures can be directly attributed to V2 Raptors
>>16702249elon couldnt manage a toaster
We now turn our attention to Mega Bay 2, where Ship 37 is awaiting avionics after two successful cryo proofing tests. This will be the fifth Block 2 booster, and the next one expected to fly after the unfortunate ending of S36
>>16701382And yet valuation continues to rise. You must be ecstatic
>>16702624>something a little different
>>16702773For what purpose? Heating is a bitch and good luck sending Pedro to swap out a dead drive from the raid.
>>16702865>Unlimited power>Unlimited cooling >Pedro will live there
>>16702865because it has been suggested a bunch and Eric Schmidt bought Relativity Space to put data centers in space
https://arstechnica.com/space/2025/05/eric-schmidt-apparently-bought-relativity-space-to-put-data-centers-in-orbit/
>>16702870this ridiculous idiocy wouldn't be necessary without ai slop
>>16702815Pressure containing vessels hate any type of damage, though. I wouldn't use them if you can afford to replace them.
>>16702818> SpaceX is a panicked dog dragging its ass across your clean carpet.Poetry.
>>16702815"I dropped the tank but it looks okay" is how we got here in the first place.
>>16702829there have been no engine failures lately. stop concern trolling
>>16702870>get successful in software>completely fail at hardwarewhy does this keep happening? software fags are incapable of interacting with the real world
>>16702309especially the RaptorTrucks
unrelated, I was on the road today, drove by the Megafactory and then a few minutes later passed a multi-car trailer loaded with four teslas and two cybertrucks.
>>16702397because that's been working so well for new gland
>>16702773>>16702865>>16702870how the fuck do you remove heat from devices in space? do you try to radiate it all as infrared radiation?
>>16702450>210 Area Codewut
lrn2google
>>16702467member when an under-spec strut caused a Falcon 9 to rud?
propellant farms remembers
except in this case I think they already make their own copvs
>>16702496It is an EX! ROCKET!
>>16702957>do you try to radiate it all as infrared radiation?Yes
How else would you do it?
>>16702957Heat pump into radiators, yes
>>16702799>>16702815The tanks are the least of the problems
That electrical bunker is fucked
Every bit of plumbing and wiring is fucked
The most complex things at the site are just fucked.
Could be awhile depending on what hardware SpaceX has on hand.
>>16702773Forget orbital computing, put them in dark craters on the moon and drill pipes into the crust for cooling loops
>>16702977If you're in a dark crater, radiative cooling would be fine. It would be completely stable, unlike LEO where the sun is all over the damn place
Less work than drilling heatsinks
>>16702979You're gonna want those cooling loops too
>>16702738not to mention what happens if you put cryo o2 in them and get bits of ice in the carbon fibers
>>16702966Cryoarithmetic Engine
>>16702976i wonder how ancient peoples would've interpreted the sun if they knew it was a giant ball of fire. would they think it was hell?
>>16702815>Even the two container offices look to be fine aside from charring.but muh limited edition Garfield "I Hate Mondays" figurine on muh desk melted!
>>16702942Can confirm, I went into software because hardware kept breaking and I got tired of fixing shit every time I wanted to continue from yesterday's progress.
Lately I've gone back to doing retro hardware as a challenge, still got that itch to build my own computer (and I've avoided 6502 and Z80 because everybody and their dog does those)
>>16702982They're for nitrogen, you dumb shit
>>16702985Pythagoras had the Earth and Sun orbit around a central fire. This wasn't the sun, it was something like God
>>16702986Bottom left is unadulterated kino
Bottom right is merchandised slop
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSYrNicmZMc
launch in 3 hours
>>16702870why not buy spacex
>>16703018Doesn't have $150 billion for it.
>>16702870is relativity good at building datacenters? or going to space?
>>16703002Having the tanks you use to hold an inert gas to suppress explosions -- explode -- isn't any less stupid.
>SpaceX has delivered more than 2 kilotons of payload to orbit in the past 365 days, equivalent to 4 ISS plus 3 Tiangong space stations
we could be building huge space stations or modular spacecraft instead we're building internet for pajeets
>>16703028with musk you lostk
>>16703003they do orbit around a "central fire" the galactic center.
ancient greeks were right again
>>16703028Internet for pajeets is generating a somewhat retarded amount of money and insulates the rest of the company from worrying about funding.
Note that there haven't been any funding rounds for Spacex or talk of a Starlink IPO in almost two years.
>another hour
scrub incoming
/sfg/ has experienced an observation at the end.
>>16700950 (OP)i can't believe spacex has launched 2 megatons to space, what a time to be alive
why the fuck are there two sfg's in the catalog right now
>>16703189because they were staged at about the same time and I guess newfags have been posting in the other one
Static fire of the stainless steel, 76.6 meters tall, 4.5 meters wide, 1.4m pound, methalox powered ZQ-3 rocket conducted its first successful static fire.
>>16703189Explosive separation
>>16703193Watch that rocket reach orbit before Starshit
>>16703193wait, what the fuck, chinese copies are really quick. I remember when all those starship/super heavy clones were merely powerpoint slides. musk has to hurry the fuck up.
>>16703202They've never even landed a Falcon 9 sized rocket. The hard part of what SpaceX did/is trying to do is still beyond chinktech.
>>16703202>he says this with a straight face as falcon launches once a day
>>16703208>he says this with a straight face as falcon launches once a dayThat's not true
Fucking Elon fanboys lol. This is a good wake up call for them. I have no idea why people are so eager to believe his promises. Even experienced engineers and journalists blindly eat his bullshit up. Reality is surviving re-entry is insanely hard and space agencies have been working for decades on the problem without much progress. You're rubbing up on the very limits of physics here, it's not so much an engineering problem as it is a material science problem. We already had this issue with the space shuttle, meant to be a lot cheaper and reusable, but the challenges of surviving re-entry turned it into a expensive, over complicated and dangerous launch system.
There's a reason why Starship is the one that keep failing, not Superheavy. Starship has a lot of finicky engineering compromises meant to save mass to allow for the heat tiles and help it survive re-entry. To the point where it can't even properly make orbit to test said heat tiles out. It's a really hard problem and I could easily see SpaceX spent a decade trying to make it work. There's a good chance that they might never make it work, they're not God, just because they had great successes in the past doesn't mean that they will magically succeed in everything that they do.
Even if they make it work, it's 100% gonna to be a lot more expensive, have less payload, more prone to failure and alot less impressive than what Elon has promised at the start. Just like the space shuttle. $100/kg to LEO, daily launches, 72 hours turn around time, point to point transport, thousands of people to Mars annually by the 2030s. It's insane that people blindly believe the shit that he says. When you're working on cutting edge tech like this, nobody knows what the final product is like, but people somehow think that it's already a guarantee that what everything Elon has said is magically gonna to be true. To the point of trying to make far reaching policy decisions based on his promises, like trying to cancel the SLS.
>>16703211Imagine if they clustered a few Merlin Vacs for expendable upper stage, that would be too crazy right?
Haha!
Don't make me tap the sign
>>16703211Not reading all that, sorry tumblr closed down
>>16703211If you keep posting this shit, Grok will start to believe it, and if Grok believes it, then Elon will too, as they both seek the truth based on first principles.
Shitposting, therefore, IS useful, and we should keep doing it
>>16703193Launch by August?
>>16703204The gap is closing fast. With Starship stuck in development hell, China is just 1 F9 clone and 1-2 years away from catching up with SpaceX. I remember a year ago when posters here were blindly boasting about how Starship will be launching monthly by now, weekly by 2026 and widening the gap with China to an immeasurable degree as Starship launches thousands of tons to LEO and beyond every month. Not so smug are you now?
You can expect Chinese payload to orbit to skyrocket within a year, there's plenty more private rocket companies to come. If Starship keep shitting the bed, I fully expect China to surpass SpaceX's payload to LEO and launch rate within 3 years.
>>16703204They're mere months away from trying. And they have advantages, lots and lots of companies that on the verge of debuting their rockets, it's not just a single company carrying the entire industry like with SpaceX. And some of the companies have designed their rockets to be reusable from the start, with methane as a fuel and engines that will allow the rockets to actually hover, not having to do a suicide burn like the F9 does, some are also trying tower/tether catch methods instead of using legs. The rockets that can hover; will have a lot easier time landing than the F9, to the point where I could see it happening within the first handful of launches, maybe even this year.
>>16703224>The rockets that can hover; will have a lot easier time landing than the F9Yeah, I know, that's what Starship does. A local would know this. Are you being ironic or are you are genuine CCP shill?
>>16703216its over (for the images)
Staging (to simultaneous stage)
>>16700949>>16700949>>16700949
>>16703236>1077 / 250 / 7
>>16703236image limit newfag
>>16703240That was never how it worked, kid
>>16703388Always how it worked, this is an imageboard. back to pebbit with you.
>>16703409I forget it's late June already
Nigger
>>16702976>[Sunshine soundtrack intensifies]
>>16702983heh, if only. based Alastair Reynolds enjoyer
>>16703612yeah you cant go too far wrong with his books. been a while since i read them so didn't get the reference but i do seem to have a generally good impression of his stuff.
what if, hypothetically, a qt chinese girl shows up at your Starbase employee sleeping pod one night and asks you to prease drir smarr hore?