pros and cons of puberty blockers?

>>16704093 (OP)
Pros: retards get permanently sterilized.
Cons: you have to pay for it.

>>16704097
puberty blockers are reversible. and they dont really affect intellegence that much

>>16704099
>Puberty blockers are reversible
>Stop taking them, you go through puberty
>Go on puberty blockers
>Stay on puberty blockers for forty years
>Stop taking puberty blockers
>Be 50+
>Puberty doesn't happen
>Puberty blockers are reversible
As we can see via simple reductio ad absurdum, you are full of shit and promulgating lies to chemically castrate children.

>>16704093 (OP)
FFS what's wrong with the USA?

>>16704104
It is being destroyed by the black nobility.

The cons are obviously that the kid gets sterilized and isn't going to develop as their biological sex, the pro is that people who seek out this type of treatment tend to be unlikely to regret it and are less likely to kill themselves if they get it, so you end up with (most likely) a more productive member of society than if you had not done it.

Remember the study showing that prepubescent boys put on puberty blockers develop micropenises literally 100% of the time?

>>16704108
>Trans
>Productive member of society
You're also wrong. The most effective treatment to gender dysphoria in trans youth is undergoing puberty. The research you were told about restricts their sample size to those who transition. At which point they'll say nearly every youth who transitioned after puberty blockers reported reduced symptoms. Correct. What they don't tell you, since it's the kryptonite to their entire cult, is that when analyzing the entire sample size of all transyouth, an overwhelming majority of the ones who underwent puberty consistent with their biological sex completely desisted in their gender dysphoria. Notice the difference?

>>16704114
Puberty also makes it a lot harder to pass as the desired gender, you don't want to do that to someone with gender dysphoria. As long as they are being very serious about psychologically evaluating the kids before doing anything I think it can be helpful.

>>16704099
>puberty blockers are reversible
The literal micropenises they cause are not however

>>16704121
>Literal child
>Very serious about the rest of their life

>>16704093 (OP)
What's the issue? Sterilizing this mom's bloodline is good.

>>16704121
>>16704125
I misread, I thought you said the child was serious. Now I see you meant the therapists being very serious. This is even worse as a line of argument since the only places that psychologically evaluate this are gender affirming clinics, as you can deduce in the OP. Do you know what they do? Validate and push the children deeper into their delusions. They're literally not allowed to suggest the kid isn't trans.

>>16704114
If you knew what the hell you were talking about, you would also know that if gender dysphoria does not desist after puberty, it tends to get much stronger with time. Not bothering to probe if little jimmy is really dysphoric because of all the mullet haired they/thems who never transition and forcing him to grow a fully 6 foot 3 male skeleton would doom him to being a freak either to himself or to others.

Imagine how hard it will be to deal with parents who put their children on these drugs or gave them surgery. they have two choices either to admit culpability or double down...
These people or very few of them will willingly admit culpability, shit will get bad.

>>16704128
I think the solution is to let the kid crossdress for a while honestly. If he really wants to be a girl he should try it out, take it from me its a really weird defect to have and its not always obvious but it doesn't go away.

>>16704129
You don't understand what you're talking about. The fringe cases you're talking about are dwarfed by the kids who transitioned who, if they underwent puberty, would not evolve into trannies. You have to understand that a non-negligible fraction of transyouth who eventually undergo gender transition after being on puberty blockers would have completely desisted in their diagnosed gender dysphoria if they simply underwent normal puberty. It may even be more than half. We cannot know. For every little jimmy you just mentioned, there are dozens of average joes (or who would've been average joes) whose lives become ruined by your rhetoric. They transition and now are deep into their LGBT culture, oppressed, blah blah blah. You're a monster.

>>16704136
Yeah, social disapproval in the course of the ~10 age range will eliminate most crossdressing, and puberty later will almost certainly do the rest.

>>16704101
is this your last cope

>>16704099
>puberty blockers are reversible
lolmao

>>16704138
You are trying to explain the Anthropic principle to a double digit IQ. Just give up.

>>16704138
Yeah the tranny stuff is disturbing, too many people fetishise it so you get all these freaks pushing kids to transition I am not saying you are wrong.

I am also trying to tell you though, for some people this shit does not go away. I got the stupid bug at 15, became an average Joe "guess I was just gay, time to grow a mustache and go to engineering school", guess what? It comes back. I'm lucky, I have a small frame so I have options, but if I was big like some of my friends are I would have to choose between the unkillable bug or looking like a freak.

>>16704145
Don't care, didn't ask. What I do understand now is that your rhetoric is replete with double speak. You pretend to agree by saying this tranny shit is disturbing, and then say I'm not wrong (while previous posts of yours were the opposite). And then you blogpost about how you're a tranny immediately after, which is consistent with your earlier arguments supporting the same tranny shit you just called disturbing.
>>16704144
You might be right. Should've known from the onset.

>>16704138
You really shouldn't respond to a freak pushing trannies on sci. Just report the garbage and move on.

What drives you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkkvVFTrKrA

>>16704099
>puberty blockers are reversible

how this can be disproved with a simple google search it's surprising how often this is repeated

>>16704145
Well if I'm not an example of a tranny worthy of considering transitioning then who is? It's just a mental illness dude, if you let us look like women we feel better and are more productive. That's why I said, skilled therapists can screen us out so you don't mutilate normal kids.

It disturbs me how the victims of chemical poisoning and trauma became a political force defending the very people that poisoned them.
Is this what a golem is?

>>16704164
I haven't gotten the chemicals yet, and I was skeptical of trannyism for a long time so I never told anyone to avoid them putting me on them. I am trying to tell you dude, these things do happen to people.

I gave you an example of a tranny and you do refuse to listen to what it wants?

>>16704167
>people

>>16704167
No retard, I'm talking long term chemical poisoning and traumatic mind control. The effects of the past century of abuse and pollution.
People have been speaking about the potential effects of endocrine disruptors for decades now we see them writ large.

>>16704170
Come on man, if you saw me when I was repressing it you would probably think I was a based right winger, I looked like a normal short haired engineer guy. Stop listening so much to the news and internet, I know I am a goddamn freak but since you were talking about the condition I figured it would be interesting to you to hear from someone who got it.

It's maddening how stupid the people who hate us are, all of them regurgitate the same 5 incorrect talking points some slop youtuber or blogger told them about why le trans is le bad and act like they know some secret forbidden truth.

>>16704219
I would probably be a fucking republican if these people didn't hate me because I like America and I work in the energy industry, but nooooo the autistic retard doesn't get to be an autistic retard in peace we have to use it for votes!

>>16704222
literally just stop taking HRT. lol. you are pretending like you will die if you stop taking it and live a normal life

>>16704093 (OP)
parents sterilizing their children is one of the cruelest thing I've heard of in modern history. They do that knowing that this is all a bunch of political ideology rather than an actual medical condition. Its political ideology turned into pseudo-medical hoax turned into an extremist cult ideology.

>>16704128
>They're literally not allowed to suggest the kid isn't trans.
That's not how gender affirming clinics work lol, plenty of parents do get told to watch and wait for more signs of alternate gender expression

>>16704235
>Gender AFFIRMING clinics do not work that way
>You see they tell you to look for even more signs of gender bending faggotry!

>>16704237
That's right, they make plenty of parents who think their child is trans reevaluate their kids' behaviors at home to confirm whether the kid really is trans, plenty of parents get told they should wait until after puberty for the kid to make a transition. But there are some kids where the diagnosis of dysphoria becomes very apparent - hence why physicians and psychologists trained in distinguishing between childhood experimentation with gender-based social mores and true gender dysphoria are critical to consult

>>16704230
The longer you put it off you get more depressed, its a really weird feeling. When you do embrace it, there is a sense of relief, I don't really have an analogy for you it just is what it is. Maybe I could have gone my whole life without it, but why would I want to?

>>16704222
>I'm actually a republican I swear!
>If only you showed me more support I'd vote for you :)))
The problem with being an unreliable narrator to yourself and others, and being caught lying time and time again is that anyone with half a brain can see through your bullshit.

americans are fucking insane.

>>16704244
hey man I think nuclear and natural gas are the future and I think europe are gay freeloaders, even a troon can see that

>>16704242
yeah sure. ok, i now identify as a cracksexual, so now i NEED crack or i will be experiencing withdrawels that will get worse and worse, and if you dont accept this you are the problem and a hateful bigot

>>16704241
>em break
yes chatgpt, please feed me more propaganda

>>16704242
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Placebo

>>16704260
No I really do write that autistic ally
It's either em breaks or run on sentences

>>16704259
More like, if you woke up tomorrow and your willy and balls were were gone you would be fucking pissed, even more if your muscles went away and you grew titties, you just don't want that to happen since your a normal guy and you like being a normal guy.

Gender dysphoria is that feeling, but you wake up like that and you think "oh fuck I don't have tits and I don't like this willy here, why is my skeleton so big ew", and its easier to just work with that than try to get rid of it. Then when you do get somewhat of a version of those things, its a nice relief, like if a normal guy like you got his willy back after a tragic accident.

>>16704274
the thing is, you arent a women. women genuinly have a different state of being. their brain structure is completly different due to chromosomes.
>oh fuck I don't have tits and I don't like this willy here, why is my skeleton so big ew
sounds like a cope for ugly men that dont have success with women
>to just work with that
how do you "work with that" though? you cant change any of that. breast surgery for men is the same as for women. even women with breast surgery its called fake breasts, it will never be real. and you cant change your bone structure
>Then when you do get somewhat of a version of those things, its a nice relief
its an inherently flawed conclusion. why dont you just be a femboy faggot instead of doing this shit? you can do a lot with changing your diet

>>16704247
No, just the media, the education system, the higher institutions being captured by left wing ideologues has turned up some insane cultist ideology. Trump was elected to remove restore America back to normal common sense mode.

>do not castrate children
>do not fucking allow open borders
>do not allow domestic terrorism
>do not allow these cult ideology in our institutions

>>16704279
>Why don't you just be a femboy faggot
That's the exact thing your supposed to do lol. Of course I have a Y chromosome, it just looks harder to look feminine when you get older since males age different and hrt makes us age like a woman does so we don't shoot ourselves when we can no longer fit in a dress.

>>16704283
yeah. i feel bad for you

>>16704303
Only question is which family member molested him.

>>16704305
https://desuarchive.org/r9k/thread/81514868/

>>16704093 (OP)
it adds some much needed selective pressure to our species. sure, a lot of it is the chemicals in the water that turn the frogs gay, but then the selective pressure is just for resistance to environmental pollution.
cons: is payed from your taxes, but thats only a problem if you pay taxes, lol

>>16704274
wouldn't a better analogy be you glued a cucumber to where your willy used to be and said "well at least it's kinda like having a penis"

>>16704328
yeah

>you have to be 18 years old to get a credit card lest you make poor financial decisions
>you can "consent" to castrate yourself at 7 years old

It's munchausen by proxy and every adult who signs off on these experiments should get life in prison

>>16704093 (OP)
It's child abuse and crimes against humanity. Should carry the death penalty for giving them to kids. Also, they're not reversible, they permanently maim kids.

rent free chud

>>16704128
It's terrible how rarely people realise how bad psychologists are at predicting behaviour.

>>16704283
Yeah alright, no one cares if you as an adult decide to take female hormones to age differently. The point of friction is you wanting to trans kids and some anti-free speech practices regarding adults like not honoring pronouns supposedly being grounds for firing or whatever.
Let adults do what they want, including taking mones and misgendering.

Another spunky tomboy bites the dust

>>16704687
Yeah the more I think about it the more I realized you could probably wait until they are adults for anything permanent and it wouldn't cause that many extra issues.

>>16704104
Women, jews, blacks

When I my little cousin was 5.5 years old she told everyone she was actually a cat

>>16704099
>puberty blockers are reversible
puberty isn't a fucking lightswitch you can turn on or off, it's a decade of continuous changes that are supposed to be happening in your body and if you interrupt that shit you permanently fuck it up.

>>16704715
the problem I can see is that

A: if we give kids puberty blockers you risk fucking up normal kids

B: if we don't, then some tranny kids will get stuck in gorilla skeletons and have no hope of passing and have a high chance of roping

so make of that information what you will

>>16704687
>no one cares if you as an adult decide to take female hormones

Well, people DO care if you as an adult do that... They will just say they don't. But if given the opportunity, yeah they care. You have to keep those people in check.

>The point of friction is you wanting to trans kids

This is some kind of naturalism garbage. "Don't fuck up kids for life" crowd when they force a kid to be 6'3 and have their bones and fat redistributed due to testosterone and puberty, and only once they look like kratos are they permitted to take hormones. The agnostic position isn't waiting until they're adults. Whether you take action or don't take action you're causing irreversible changes to their body. I don't need to affirm the position that it's okay, you need to affirm the position that it's not okay. I honestly don't know why conservatives give a shit when a gay boy wants to grow tits, but they're okay when someone who's delusional and stupid pumps out kids while having the mental maturity of a 12 year old. But that's just conservatives for you, pessimistic and lazy in their ideology at best, except for when it comes to being idealistic when weighing the pros and cons of capitalism.

>and some anti-free speech practices regarding adults not honoring pronouns supposedly being grounds for firing

Let anyone make any ethical statements without it being fair game for them to be threatened in some way. If I consider the good thing to do killing you, I should be able to say you deserve to die. Saying that about someone isn't a threat, it's a descriptive statement. If you live in the USA you should be allowed to use words in whatever ways make normative sense and set whatever goals you decide to set for yourself insofar as you aren't breaking the law. But if you want to start saying you can't fire someone for being a Jew hating authoritarian then you're already beyond the point where you should be allowed to fire someone for being black or evict someone for being trans.

>>16704154
They have an agenda so they don't see being dishonest as a bad thing, it's just part of their war to win.

>>16704432
This poster is a child rapist.

>>16704725
you could just do it case by case, for some people transitioning works fine when you are an adult. If the kid is projected to grow up to be smaller maybe you don't need the risk, but if the kid is going to have a football player body maybe its worth being more ballsey

>>16704725
You know I am not even against letting an extremely select set of triply vetted kids take cross sex hormones. But currently we have to counter-steer against the prevailing winds which is handing them out like candy, or psycho ideologues like in OP wanting them to be given out like candy.

>If I consider the good thing to do killing you, I should be able to say you deserve to die.
Yeah.
>someone for being black
We can leave that as a special exception. Notice the two operative words here, "special" and "exception". These words are not mere decoration.

I love trannies coping and seething in the replies frothing at the mouth to defend their pedophilic pseudo science fetish
the facts
>the medication not only sterilizes kids but gives them a life long battle with various medical issues as a result, with most being life threatening such as autoimmune disorders
>kids cant consent
>gender dysphoria is brand new medical jargon but already is being pushed to have "cures" and "treatment" that has not been tested
>99% of trans spaces are fetish oriented
>the "treatment" a trans person should do in order to feel better is to obsess over their physical appearance (passing) and buy material goods that will "help" them
>despite what these people claim, there are so few regulations on who gets puberty blockers and who HRT and who doesn't, with this being documented countless times.
>the community has ties to HAES
>neither HRT nor puberty blockers has ever been given to a person their whole life, meaning no one has ever had HRT nor puberty blockers long enough to say its healthy
>it is not reversible, it is literally called a "puberty blocker", you need to go through puberty anon. there are already medical disorders proving why not going through puberty is medically dangerous.
>there is no actual science suggesting a human can change their physical sex
>for those who actually like science and can ready studies, none of the "studies" conducted proves this any of this is credible.
>the suicide rates are extremely, abnormally high. with sex trafficking victims, war veterans, racial minorities. and gay people having a less severe suicide rate
>what is a woman? what is a man? no circular definitions please, give me a scientific explanation
>>16704728
yes and they are a disgrace to anyone who has a passion for actual science. their love of "science" comes from sci fi books.

>>16704757
that's fair enough, I think we can agree on that then

>>16704093 (OP)
Pros: Parents get social media clout, which they obviously care about much more than healthy children (let alone grandchildren)

Cons: When they try to make your frankenvagina later there won't be enough penis there to invert so they'll use tissue from inside your ass instead so your crotch will permanently smell like shit, at least until the constant infections kill you.

>>16704097
>>16704108
>>16704127
>>16704233
>>16704763

Puberty blockers don't actually cause sterility.
Puberty blockers have a lot of serious side effects: permanent loss of bone density, failure to develop genital tissue and secondary sexual characteristics (micropenis, small vagina, no breasts, etc), but they don't cause puberty blockers. Unlike what this Anon says: >>16704099 puberty blockers AREN'T reversable, you have a select time frame to experience puberty and if it doesn't happen it won't happen later. That's the issue.

If you're going to be against something, objectively negative, I don't see the point in making shit up. You're detracting from the conversation, you're giving the people who're in favor of this leverage, you're establishing yourself as either a liar or an npc who doesn't actually know anything about it, and it implies that the other side effects aren't serious enough that you feel the need to "editorialize".

>>16704789
>Puberty blockers don't actually cause sterility.
May as well. Who's going to breed with a deformed mentally ill freak with a micropenis?

>>16704790
>May as well. Who's going to breed with a deformed mentally ill freak with a micropenis?

Elon Musk has like 12 kids, so you tell me.

>>16704789
>t...they don't cause sterility!
Then surely you can point to examples of kids who were fully trooned-up by their parents who then abandoned it and grew up to have biological children, right?

Seems like an incredibly easy thing to prove without resorting to the usual pointless shitshow of "MY STUDIES ARE BETTER THAN YOUR STUDIES!"

>>16704093 (OP)
Blockers are safe and fully reversible. There are literally no downsides.
All children should be on blockers by default as essential healthcare, and only come off them when they are ready to choose their puberty.

>>16704791
Is that why you castrated yourself?

>>16704789
>Lupron, the drug used to chemically castrate Alan Turing for being a faggot is used as a puberty blocker today and totally doesn't cause sterility

>>16704722
>gorilla skeleton
tranny dog whistle
kys ywnbaw

>>16704789
>Unlike what this Anon says
sorry, i was actually just falseflagging for replies
lol

>>16704789
>you have a select time frame to experience puberty and if it doesn't happen it won't happen later
Isn't that sterility with extra steps?

Are there any other disorders where the main treatment is just enabling it further?

>>16704976
gender dysphoria is when you are in the wrong body
so fixing the body isnt enabling it further

>>16704984
you can't be in the wrong body

>>16704985
>just ignore your own feelings bro
>you cant actually have that

>>16704986
>feelings
yeah, feelings lol. not actually in the wrong body. that doesn't make any sense. hence enabling

>>16704988
enabling what?i swear ppl like you cant think deeper than binary stuff
>erm actually that bit is flipped to a 0 so you cant be a woman!
nonce

>>16704988
enabling what?i swear ppl like you cant think deeper than binary stuff
>erm actually that bit is flipped to a 0 so you cant be a woman!
nonce

>>16704991
the disorder. like the people who bring food to those bed ridden 600 pounders

>>16704984
>gender dysphoria is when you are in the wrong body
The west replaced Christianity with gender ideology.

>>16704233
>cruelest thing I've heard of in modern history.
Not new. Castration was uncommonly performed. Castrato singers in italy. Eunichs in egypt, middle east, asia and more. The difference between then and now is the parents pretend the child made a decision.

Circumcision came from jews cheating God about castration. Giving a child eunich as a gift to the temple was a thing. Christian families giving children to become priests or monks is the same idea, minus the physical castration.

>>16704101
>when you don't reverse it, it doesn't reverse
>somehow this is an argument against it being reversible
why is every conservative belligerently retarded?

>>16704093 (OP)
>/pol/ tourist thread
this board is for people with IQs over 90.
>>>/f/acebeook

>>16704099
>puberty blockers are reversible
I know you're baiting, but people ACTUALLY believe this.

>>16704099
There's a pretty well-defined window wherein puberty happens (typically 12 - 18). If you miss that window, there's no do-over. It's over. That, by definition, is not reversible.

>>16704093 (OP)
The only times puberty blockers should be used is during precocious puberty. If a girl starts her period at 7, that's obviously way too young, so we need something to delay that until she's around 12. But otherwise, they should not be prescribed.

>>16705258
uhm but they are Le Heckin Irreversiblerino!!1!

>>16704789
I am not sure where you are getting this data from when it doesn't make logical sense. Puberty is responsible for your sexual development, therefore its not far fetched to say that PBs interfere with fertility even without studies, and in any case, PBs no doubt lead to future HRT, with HRT causing fertility, although with HRT alone fertility issues aren't THAT common as one may think. But the combination of PBs and HRT? Yeah no, it would be a miracle if someone still managed to be fertile after that.
>>16704986
You can't even identify what you are feeling lol

>>16704976
adhd

bigoted chudcel ^

Chop off your penis goy

>>16705410
how so? adhd treatment and adhd people seem to want to stop the adhd behaviour

>>16704093 (OP)
Hopefully the tard kills itself

>>16704715
>puberty isn't a fucking lightswitch you can turn on or off, it's a decade of continuous changes that are supposed to be happening in your body and if you interrupt that shit you permanently fuck it up.

This is so simple and trannies know it yet lie anyways

namefag