Even if we could travel easily through the solar system, what place is there for us to go?
> Mercury is hell
> Venus is exponential hell
> The Moon? Freaking abrasive dust inferno.
> Mars' gravity is too low, it has almost no atmosphere and the radioactivity is too high.
> Gas giant's moons are so radioactive you would get fried in hours.
We literally have to look forward to interstellar travel and that may be technologically impossible to do. All we got here is half frozen, half boiling radioactive rock deserts.
Is Earth or nothing.

Earth should be habitable for many millions of years to come so I don't see the problem

Just stop making it hotter and stop filling it up with so many fucking humans, that tends to break it.

It's not like (you) were ever going to leave earth anyways

>>16704226 (OP)
>go to space
>just to land on another planet

>>16704226 (OP)
The only available place to go is Mars, and that's after terraforming it. It'll take a long time before we do that, but we will, maybe not in our lifetime.

>>16704229
True. But we travel to other places not only because of habitability issues but also to expand the frontier of science.

>>16704290

>>16704290
>die a horrible death

>>16704226 (OP)
> Mars' gravity is too low
On what grounds are you saying that?
>radioactivity is too high.
It isn't in a valley.

Maybe there are some kind of unobtainium on those planets

>>16704692
Is only a third that of Earth. If humans go there for a prolonged time, who knows what effects it could have on the human body?
Its still too high there too if you are going to stay years and years. And if there is solar activity and you have strong solar wind, boy oh boy, you better be deep underground.

>>16704226 (OP)
Gee I don't know. An infinite universe out there, and with all that endless infinity, there's just no place that would be good for humans.
OP is a retard howwa bout that

>>16704444
Terraforming
A meme. Delusion
We can't un-terraform Earth, speaking of delusions.

>>16704226 (OP)
>Titan
>literally just cold, no other obstacles

>>16704450
Even if we were capable of interstellar travel, they're never going to do a mass migration from earth to another planet to quell population issues.

Why would you seed overpopulation, and acceptance of the practices which lead to overpopulation onto a new planet?

A better solution to the overpopulation issue would be to offer the promise of stellar relocation, and then incinerating everyone inside of the "space ship" instead of even leaving earths orbit.

>>16704226 (OP)
The point is obvious.
The fascinating bit about it is how upset it makes certain people if you attack it.

Space colonization is a core belief for a large subset of the population, as deeply and as dearly held as heaven is for religious folks. Whether or not it is a religion doesn't really matter - it occupies the same importance in their mind.

>>16706126
Nice projection, bumblefuck

>>16706143
It's not a projection. It's an accurate assumption based upon the telemetry of the people we have leading humanity right now.

Why would they incur the expense of transporting billions of people to a new planet?

You can obviously make billions of people on the new planet by simply following the extant paradigm, so it's not like the new planet needs extra-billions.

There's no actual "need" to bring Earth's masses along—only the symbols of elite continuity.

Colonization isn’t rescue; it’s replication of the control paradigm minus the liabilities.

>>16706148
Even if you were capable of contributing to the scientific corpus, your need for validation in publishing it can just add your contribution to the corpus and chuck your husk into the incinerator

>>16706102
Why you cant read? I said it at the end of the post, is not that long.

Whats wrong with colonizing empty space, the asteroids and small bodies? That's where all the cool shit for industry is anyways its not like mars is any help for solar power satellites

>>16706108
You would have said the same thing about AI 10 years ago. Also the fact that you believe we are terraforming our own planet by accident should inspire you with more confidence that we can achieve something similar on Mars, purposefully.

We already have a plan to establish a moon base for manned missions to Mars. We can create hospitable environments and inhospitable areas and also terraform planets. One day we may even be able to travel near the speed of light or even faster.

We should resolve our differences here on Earth so that we can unite and work together towards our shared goals as a species. We won't have world peace until we settle our conflicts in the Holy Land.

>>16704226 (OP)
This fact makes me sad. Our species is totally doomed.

>>16704226 (OP)
It's the ultimate boomer coping strategy./Instead of simply changing habits after coming to understand they are problematic the boomer will go to lenghts of mental gymnastics that are previously unseen: We could always leave the planet that is a perfect match for us because our evolution took place here, master technological feats that might very well be impossible, endure a generations long arduous journey and just find a new home and adapt to it. So I'll continue using my motorvehicle.
Interstellar travel is probably impossible. If we can see something this simply means some light can travel there. It's far fetched to jump fo the conclusion we could. The trajectory would be 'ballistic' in a wider sense. Every such trajectory will be crossed by particles of varying size. Going fast enough to make it in years or generations even means slamming i to those particles at relativistic speeds. A craft on such trajectory might also always get kissed in the side or rear by something going really fast. All for what? S shitty destination we haven't adapted to meaning after a painful and long journey you'll be looking at a painful long phase of brutal selection until adaption is achieved.
Fuck the boomers.

Mostly true but even if we dont physically colonize other planets with humans we can still use their resources (space mining) with robots and small communities of technicians, engineers and scientists

>>16704226 (OP)
If anyone in power actually cared about "the earth" they'd incentivize those with the highest IQs to have the most children.
But, I'm white and refuse to join their cabal. So, I suppose they view me as some sort of evolutionary threat. 130+ IQ whites are purposely suppressed unless they join the cabal.
>inb4 schizo
Everything in society is built around incentivizing fucking retards to breed or to disincentivize the intelligent from breeding (really, women* are the point of attack, they're all pretty stupid, even if they carry genetics for high IQ children - women with high IQ "backgrounds" are disincentivized from breeding).
It's very obvious that global society has been engineered so that either you're part of a tightly controlled oligarchy, part of the niggercattle masses, or bred out of existence. Before globalization, local nobility was what existed, reigning over the serfs. No social engineering required.
Oh, "the earth," right. Yeah, obviously billions of niggercattle are worse for the earth - they pollute and destroy in a way a higher IQ public wouldn't. Even though manmade climate change is a hoax, do notice how only "bright"-level IQ whites even care about it.

>>16704226 (OP)
Even if we could easily travel to North America, what place is there to go?
>Florida is hell
>hot humid swamp with dangerous animals that gets hit with hurricanes
>Phoenix, Az is hell
>hot dry desert, no water to drink and can't farm for fuck there
>California constantly gets struck by earthquakes
We literally have to look forward to interplanetary travel and that may be technologically impossible to do
All we got here is hot, swamps, and wastelands
It's Eurasia or nothing

>>16704226 (OP)
most of space is space. Live there.

>>16705997
>Is only a third that of Earth.
Actually its 38% of earth, almost half.
> If humans go there for a prolonged time, who knows what effects it could have on the human body?
Only one way to find out. We could send mice and have a pretty good idea as to how it effects mammalian reproductive cycles over multiple generations within a couple years.
>Its still too high there too if you are going to stay years and years. And if there is solar activity and you have strong solar wind, boy oh boy, you better be deep underground.
Mars is farther from the sun than the earth, solar activity isn't as big a deal as you think, considering everyone will be living inside a habitat anyway.

>>16704226 (OP)
Humans spend 95% of their lives indoors. What's the problem?

>>16708185
without close light from a star? doesnt seem very promising

>>16707913
>climate change is caused by browns, but also it doesnt exist, but also you only care about it youre part of the master race
mental gymnastics is one hell of a ride

Mars is the most "habitable" places humans could ever hope to live on in our own solar system and it has:

>barely any substantial atmosphere, it's incredibly thin, dusty and cold as fuck
>while Martian summers near the equator can reach habitable temps during the day, the vast majority of Mars is literally colder than the south pole all year long
>No magnetic field so have fun dealing with the solar radiation
>Have to live inside insulated, hermetically sealed environments or find some kind of sealed tunnel system to live in underground since living on the surface is basically a no-go
>Can't easily land anything on the surface, certainly aren't going to be landing vertically like all those shitty starship CGI videos. Would need to at least set up some kind of landing pad first before you even attempted it with such a heavy ship
>Low gravity that the human body is not adapted to long term will likely destroy bone density and lead to all sorts of cardiovascular issues down the line, combined with having to live underground in sealed tiny environments psychologically driving people insane
>No way to grow food, not even sure if any of the "soils" on Mars could be used for food production in the first place, all your supplies would still have to come from Earth making a colony to support humans completely pointless

I fucking hate Marstards so much. Humans are never going to be living there and there's no reason to send humans to Mars with the advances in technology. We can just send nuclear drones and robots to do all the research, and that's the only real reason to go to Mars in the first place; to conduct scientific research and learn more about the past. How about we fix up Earth and stop terraforming our own atmosphere to the point Earth itself becomes uninhabitable to human civilization instead of dreaming about Mars, it's so fucking dumb.

Just send fucking drones. What we should be doing with Mars is SAMPLE RETURNS.

>>16704226 (OP)
Multiple options
Transform the enviornments.
Transform people A (biological)
Transform people B (technological)
All three are extremely difficult, possibly impossible

>>16706102
We can't get to any of those places unless we somehow invent multi-generational ships, or some sort of auto-populator system. Which seems too hard.

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>>16704444
Sure, we can't prevent earth's average temperature from changing a tenth of a degree over the next few years, but we will totally be able to make mar's average temperature change by hundred's of degrees over the next few decades.

>>16704226 (OP)
You forgot we can build habitation that is perfectly tailored to human life if we can take advantage of isru of space resources

>>16704226 (OP)
No place for subluminal speaking monkey worm to go. You wanted to normalize people by putting geniuses in hospital so they don't come up with dangerous ideas, now your capacity to go superluminal at brink of extinction is limited due to your cowardance.

Colonizing planets is overrated imo, its just earth but worse. The real value in space is stuff you don't get on planets, like shallow gravity wells to get material off, heavy metals from asteroids, perpetual sunlight for electricity, microgravity. I predict a lot more asteroid fun, solar power satellites and spinny habitats when space first takes off rather than mars cities.

>>16704226 (OP)
That's a good thing. Humanity isn't worth saving.

>>16704226 (OP)
In your mama

>>16704229
We're only a couple of decades away from the climate catastrophe killing all life on Earth. China is putting in a lot of work to reverse it, but it seems like even they were too late.

>>16712210
The Day After Tomorrow is climate catharsis for the chaos half of moral............................................................................................................................. posture
PLEASE do not take it seriously unless there is credible evidence of an ............... yeah this is really hard to compute I'm sorry just go full Isekai on your 35th incarnation thank you

>>16704226 (OP)
Earth will be swallowed by the sun eventually. Like it or not space travel is the only way for life to continue past that point, even staying on ships for a limited time is preferable to dying. We need get good at it while we can.

>>16708178
retarded strawman of a dysgenic faggot

>>16709582
eh, if you want a place for humans to live that isn't earth, honestly the best option is the upper atmosphere of venus.
>earth-like temperature
>earth-like pressure and gravity
>abundant sunlight
yes, you're living in a balloon surrounded by clouds of sulfuric acid. but clouds of hot acid are so much better to be surrounded by than cold hard vacuum it's not even a comparison. if you get a hole in your balloon city, toxic acidic gas starts slowly leaking in. okay; you send a repair crew in protective suits to go patch it. if you get a hole in your pressurized dome on mars or the moon, it fucking explodes instantly and everyone dies.
the big problem to solve is the wind and turbulence. well, that and the reason you'd want people to live their whole lives in shitty pods just so you can say you colonized another planet. but at least microgravity doesn't slowly torture them to death.

>>16707825
What's this schizo babble?
What does settling a planet have to do with "finding a new home"?

>>16704226 (OP)
The spookiest thing I can think of is a Merv. a little piece of equipment, about a meter tall, with a yield of about 250 to 500 kilotons.

>>16704226 (OP)
Build a dyson array and use it to power a large solar powered laser. You could use the laser to ablate off Venus' excess atmosphere and make it habitable. You could even use it to gradually induce spin to shorten its day night/cycle. You could use the same laser to propel interstellar ships to new star systems. At 1g constant acceleration tau ceti could be reached in just over 12 years earth time, but due to time dilation the crew would only experience around 5.5 years.

>>16710923
Are you retarded or something? What part of "a very long time" and "not in our lifetime" don't you get? Learn to read first, dumbass.

>>16711302
Kinda this.

Planetary colonization/terraforming/interstellar travel is something for the distant future. Our immediate concern should be trying to get as much industry up in space as possible over the next few hundred years. Space stations, mobile asteroid mining stations, space factories etc.

Get the space industry to be self-sustaining and as independent as possible from earth. Space refineries, CPU/GPU/steel etc. production facilites on space stations etc. And then after that industry has taken a life of its own and has scaled up massively, start building some space habitats. Now you've got literal cities in space, space shipyards with all the production capabilites possible and you can actually start working on building actual spaceships for longer travel. Try building an orbital elevator or two over that period to solidify earth-space connection and as a practice for potential future planetary colonization and I think you are on a decent path towards the future.
>but where's the muh money in all of this, where's DAS KAPITAL
That's the thing, I don't think the current economic models/general mentality of people on earth would make this possible. It would require actually making shit for the future of mankind instead of just for profit. I am sure we could have a return to muh capitalist economy status quo AFTER all that has been built and the economy has adopted to the new status quo, but even that is probably a pipe dream.

We wuz dying on this planet ytboi, whether you like it or not.