[Physics] Iran's bunker busters: Where does all the granite go? - /sci/ (#16704969) [Archived: 684 hours ago]

Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:14:03 PM No.16704969
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Ok, /sci/ Lords, /pol/ chad here.
Would you mind help us a bit?

Some fag say here >>508329604
>you split the concrete [...] by shock compaction and spall fracturing
Wtf?!

This anon was doing some calculations
>>508329447
>You’d need 2.5 terajoules of energy to melt 2500 cubic feet of granite/concrete. The bomb at best can generate 500 million joules at free fall speed. Maybe I’m wrong about the max bomb kinetic energy but unless I’m off by multiple magnitudes that bomb isn’t going to penetrate as deep as they say

Details: >>508328975
For 2500 cubic feet
| Stage | Energy (J) | Energy (GJ) |
| ----------------------------- | -------------- | ----------- |
| Heat granite to melting point | \~187×109 | 187GJ |
| Latent heat of fusion | \~48×109 | 48GJ |
| **Ideal total** | **235×109** | **235GJ** |
| Practical (with 10× losses) | \~**2,350GJ** | **2.35TJ** |

Full calculation details below
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:15:48 PM No.16704970
>>16704969 (OP)
My bad, I meant:
>>>/pol/508329604
>>>/pol/508329447
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(ctd.)

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Hey chat mask you summin
To melt 1 cubic foot (≈0.0283m3) of granite from near room temperature, you need to:
1. Heat it from ~20°C to ~1,260°C (the melting point)
Density ≈2,640–2,760kg/m3 mass ≈75–78kg (say 76kg)
Specific heat ≈790J/(kg·K)
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ΔT ≈1,240K (from 20 to 1,260°C)
Q1 = m × c × ΔT ≈ 76kg × 790J/kg·K × 1,240K ≈ 74MJ
2. Melt it at its melting point (latent heat of fusion)
Latent heat ≈300kJ/kg
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Q2 = 76kg × 300kJ/kg = 22.8MJ
Total theoretical energy
Q_total = Q1 + Q2 ≈ 74MJ + 22.8MJ ≈ 97MJ
Practical considerations
That's the ideal, minimum energy.
In a real-world scenario, with heat losses, inefficiencies, water presence, re-radiation, etc., you may need 2–10× more energy .
So practically, you'd likely use 200–1,000MJ to melt a cubic foot of granite.
Final estimate
Stage Energy
Heating to melt point ≈74MJ
Melting (latent) ≈23MJ
Theoretical total ≈97MJ
Real-world estimate 200–1,000MJ
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 5:28:14 PM No.16704975
>>16704969 (OP)
>melt
Not relevant to the situation.
This is more like driving a nail. You just need to apply enough force to push the material to either side.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 6:16:26 PM No.16704993
It's probably true that it can penetrate 60 meters of dirt. It has also been speculated that it will penetrate about 10 meters of concrete or 2.4 meters of reinforced concrete. Granite is somewhere in between, so it does not seem like they could do much damage to the nuclear facilities as they are at least 40 meters deep.

On the other hand, I trust that they would not drop these bombs unless they were pretty sure of the outcome. Who knows what kind of test data the USAF have, and what kind of intel about the facilities they have
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 6:56:37 PM No.16705009
>>16704993
First you penetrate as deep as you can and then you detonate 2 tonnes of explosives. So 13 tonnes of push followed by 2 tonnes of boom. Do we have any seismograph readings form close by?
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:18:51 PM No.16705029
Who knew one simple airstrike would cause this much seething and denial? Suddenly the Party of Science™ is trying to prove bombs don't exist.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:48:26 PM No.16705066
Fordo, Iran and nearby earthquake stations
Fordo, Iran and nearby earthquake stations
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>>16705009
>any seismograph readings form close by?
THIS. Any bunker-busting bomb doing what the jew media is claiming it can do would ABSOLUTELY register on a seismograph in Tehran (a few km to the north). So how about? where's the seismograph readings? oh they don't exist? stop asking questions goyim.
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 7:51:51 PM No.16705069
>>16705066
Then why hasn't Iran released the seismograph data that you reckon would expose the strike as a failure?
And if they did, why would you take their word for it?

This line of thinking goes both ways, sir.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 8:08:56 PM No.16705075
>>16705066
>for all the muh Iran will hide the earthquake signature retards.

So-called bunker-busting bomb (likely magnitude 3–5, depending on yield) would be recorded globally within seconds. Iran could delay or deny its own data, but non-Iranian stations (several 1000km away) would provide enough information for seismologists to estimate the location (within a few kilometers), depth, and nature of the event.

Open-access platforms like USGS or EMSC would publish details, and researchers could access raw waveforms from IRIS or similar repositories to confirm an explosion’s signature.
Iran could not withhold or hide seismic evidence of any bunker-busting bomb detonations due to INDEPENDENCE of global seismic monitoring systems. The global network’s transparency would certainly show the event.

https://www.ctbto.org/our-work/monitoring-technologies/seismic-monitoring
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 8:21:26 PM No.16705084
>>16705075
Wait, so are you denying these bombs exploded at all?
The ordinance they're carrying is public knowledge.
AFX-757: 4,590 pounds (2,082 kg)
PBXN-114: 752 pounds (341 kg)

And the penetration isn't going to factor into seismograph data and the entire debate is about how deep they can penetate.
Anonymous
6/22/2025, 9:13:06 PM No.16705118
>no bunker busting bombs were used.
a fucking gas station or mine explosion registers, and yet 6(six) 30k lbs bunker busters going 50-100 meters deep into solid bedrock and exploding didn't register?
Not a peep. Had them both open live waiting:
https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/map/?extent=31.62532,44.63745&extent=38.16911,58.69995
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvtygG4n6ew
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 9:16:51 PM No.16705122
>>16705118
So what do you think happened? What made the craters?
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Anonymous
6/22/2025, 9:16:54 PM No.16705123
>>16705118
>6(six) 30k lbs bunker busters
12 on Forward and 2 on Natanz, or so we're being told.
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Anonymous
6/23/2025, 1:14:16 AM No.16705282
>>16705123
Never mind, later reports all say 6.
Anonymous
6/23/2025, 2:17:56 AM No.16705310
iran eaerthquakes
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>>16705066
>Any bunker-busting bomb doing what the jew media is claiming it can do would ABSOLUTELY register on a seismograph in Tehran (a few km to the north). So how about? where's the seismograph readings? oh they don't exist?

>Omniman_AreYouSure.jpg
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Anonymous
6/23/2025, 2:53:31 AM No.16705320
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>>16705310
Anonymous
6/23/2025, 2:56:57 AM No.16705322
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>>16705122
Not him but fake and gayness has full spectrum dominance in all forms of media. Pic related, no joke NASA still has both of these images up. Not on NASA but wikipedia has both these images up as well still. They are the same image but flipped vertically and horizontally and with some extra minor effects. They claim that these two separate galaxies are tens of millions of light years distant from each other. Shit is fake and gay.
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Anonymous
6/23/2025, 2:58:13 AM No.16705323
>>16705322
Not *only

Also multiple space catalogs use both images, including the ESA. Full spectrum fake and gayness.
Anonymous
6/23/2025, 3:09:19 AM No.16705327
>>16705322
they do this every time they have to cover up evidence of ayys.

They have to do it a LOT. I kind of feel sorry for their photoshop guy, but at least he has job security.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q9Nuy7mFIsE
Anonymous
6/23/2025, 3:39:34 AM No.16705336
>>16704969 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9wmWZbr_wQ
Anonymous
6/23/2025, 4:07:52 AM No.16705342
>>16705310
that was BEFORE the bunker bomb's supposed impact. Iran typically has many small (4-5 Richter scale) quakes every year. Data from one recent year (March 2024 – March 2025) indicated that 150 earthquakes with a magnitude of more than 4 occurred.
Anonymous
6/23/2025, 12:58:15 PM No.16705587
>>16704969 (OP)
This thread shows how fucking useless our journalists are. They should be doing at least what you guys have done here. They should have had a well detailed answer by now, but they wont, because they’re all puppets of the state.>>16704969 (OP)
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Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:19:29 AM No.16707095
>>16705587
>They should be doing at least what you guys have done here.
It's particularly sad too since everything itt took less than 10 minutes of research.
Anonymous
6/25/2025, 8:24:26 AM No.16707098
Has anyone considered that the bomb might have some kind of jet out the front to fluidize the material in front of it? I haven't seen anything like this tested but maybe it would work
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 1:03:14 AM No.16707576
They closed the entrance tunnels and gave them a heads up to clear the facility. Or maybe they already cleared the facility based on common sense way ahead of time and said they tipped them off to save face. Or maybe they did the absolute bare minimum compliance to appease their church bombing zionist Jew overlords and said they tipped them off to appear as saving face while under order of Washington. In any case, nuking Tel Aviv would not be good for anyone in the area including Palestinians.
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Anonymous
6/26/2025, 1:12:17 AM No.16707588
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>>16707576
High ranking officials in the military are dissenting against the zionist Jews and political establishment in Washington like Nathan McCormack from Dallas, Texas who lost his post over it. The Mossad carries out elaborate assassinations against Iranian scientists as well. Personally, I believe in nuclear disarmament as well as the total destruction of the zionist entity not only for the end of their unholy genocide but also the American national interest. Assassinating scientists is a low blow.
Anonymous
6/26/2025, 12:08:20 PM No.16707841
This is more /k/ but I wonder why they don't just bomb again in the same point and make a crater deeper and deeper.
If they have enough precision is should be doable.