Thread 16705043

Robo - edition

previous >>16700949

/sfg/ was more fun when it was full of politics.

how many weeks till next launch?
25 launches this year, no? only been 2 so far

>>16705059
Elon in control
Trust the plan
G

>>16705045
/pol/ is the board for you then, my brown friend.

>>16705045
Right now the only politics to talk about is how NASA is getting strangled by the White House because Elon got in a fist fight with some guy
Here's hoping Congress "does something" (lol) before the entire space sector implodes

Were there Ceresfags seething over its demotion from 5th planet in the 19th century?

spehs

>>16705082
Yeah, Me.

>>16705043 (OP)
1 days until the First Look of the Vera Rubin Observatory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv22_Amsreo

>>16705089
>Most Centaurs will eventually be ejected from the solar system.

Colonize Centaurs for interstellar colonization.

its been dead for weeks now

>>16705089
Working at an observatory must be incredibly cozy. Remote location, quiet and serene. Did you know that medieval Islamic monasteries had resident astronomers to calculate prayer times? They also employed complex water clocks for timekeeping that used hydraulics to track the passage of time.

>>16705089
Are you going to do this countdown for the ELT too? I would have understood the excitement for that one.

https://x.com/whoisheartbreak/status/1936855846472028276

https://www.youtube.com/live/uO14vLYcvF0

https://www.youtube.com/live/VtVhlP2NnR0

>>16705102
Astronomy is very important to Muslims. Not only are prayer times calculated by the position of the sun, there are councils employed to sight the moon with telescopes to indicate the beginning of certain holy days. The phases of the moon are also important, and Muslims employ a lunar calendar to track months. The holiest time of the lunar month, the White Days, are when the moon is in its brightest phase. It is recommended, Sunnah, to fast these days.

>>16705043 (OP)
I didn't know that all those houses were right there.

Remember musk’s melty?

>>16705043 (OP)
hope they can start with the first scientific research facilities on the moon and mars during my lifetime.

settling space is going to be rough at first and suck, just like when we colonized new and wild places here. the first settlers are gonna have it rough and will discover new problems that we will have to figure out. its better to take baby steps at first, having a place on mars and the moon like the research stations in Antarctica where astronauts can stay for about 6 months or a year and constantly be swapped out for new people like the iss.
living on the iss has its own problems too, one being bone loss. which shouldn't be as bad on a place that has some gravity to walk around, even if its weaker than here

hopefully if we do all this, and have more iss type space stations at in between points for ships to dock and refuel or be built. we will adapt to space comfortably over time, instead of being thrown into right away and having to figure everything out at once when we find out a black hole is approaching or something.

I say scientist should set up first and study the places for future expansion and building. maybe stick factories and things that pollute our planet there. once the scientist have kind of figured how to survive up there, maybe send prisoners or exile bad people there first to do the rough settling parts or labor.

>>16705094
What has?

>>16705086
You lost big time lmao

Vera my beloved!

>>16705105
>$4.20 flat fee
goddammit, he can't help himself, this fucking boomer memelord

Vera my beloved -- all naked. Whoo hoo!

>>16705111
Remind me?

>>16705127
this just just for early access probably, to test the payment systems

Circa 2019 boeing be like
>yeah bro let’s just put a starliner pressure vessel on a landing bus
And then conspire with NASA to cheat in the HLS program bidding

>>16705102

> Everyone there looks down on you because you're not a "scientist", even though your taxes are paying for all this

> Thin dry air feels like invisible hands strangling you.

> Constant threat of attacks from Yeti, giant crawling eye monsters and packs of wild rabid Alpacas.

>>16705135
Musk streamed Melty Blood on X to his subscribers.

> Bonsai Garden
> Super Mario Bros Go kart Track
> Blackout Mattress Sex Room

>>16705126
>gets blocked by Starlinks
oops!

>>16705081
the only thing congress is going to do is save their pork projects
100 years of SLS

"Oh my Science! It's beautiful! What glorious evidence that there in no Creator. Just an endless Universe without purpose, doomed to end in cold and darkness."

>>16705155
lol yeah that word will always be associated with those games for me. How long has it even been used for 'meltdown'? Seems like a recent thing.

over it is

>>16705181
never even begun it had

>>16705177
I've only seen it used here so maybe it's a foreigner thing

>>16705181
not yet
wait until the target of the Iran false flag is Starbase

>>16705112
>maybe send prisoners or exile bad people there first to do the rough settling parts or labor.
All it takes is for one deranged lunatic with nothing to lose to sabotage the whole operation.

>>16705105
How about you focus on your jobs at SpaceX. Musk subsidiaries won't bring you glory.

since starship isnt panning out we need seriously consider switching to modular spacecraft instead

>>16705102
Who dunnit horror murder mystery set in a remote observatory when?

>>16705043 (OP)
Is GREAT SPACEX on yt an AI channel? They are annoying.

>>16705198
Pic unrelated, I hope

>>16705177
It’s a zoomer word unc get with the times sheeesh

>>16705203
if in doubt, it's indians

Ok so why aren't we talking about perhaps the biggest space news of the year?
>Portal Space Systems, a startup of SpaceX and Blue Origin employees, are developing the Supernova spacecraft, a vehicle that uses solar thermal propulsion
>Supernova is designed to use foldable mirrors to focus the sun’s rays onto the propulsion system’s heat exchanger.
>When ammonia passes through the heat exchanger, it rapidly builds up pressure and produces thrust.
>The company claims it can achieve performance rivaling NTP
>LEO to MEO in mins
>LEO to GEO in hours
>LEO to cislunar in a day

Pluto: has a moon
Moon: does not have a moon

>>16705211
popsci

>>16705211
Because we have all seen this promise at least 8 times already from le epic “precious SX + BO employees” and it always ends up falling through. Plus this shit needs a good launcher to be realized in the first place so, keep rooting for SX and BO (preferably the former, because the latter is retarded)

>>16705216
we haven't actually, this is the first solar thermal propulsion proposal to actually get funding

>>16705220
Nope, not true. Rhea space activity got funding from the space force for a spaceship study that went NOWHERE.

>>16705211
The Lions scream for Mercury

>>16705241
I think there are some things that when past the funding stage they don't want to reveal too much in order to hide it from China

So basically if you ever hope to lob a probe or ship out to 1 light-day+ away, say the pioneer / voyager probes, you need to collect nuclear material and that is literally the ONLY tech we have for reliable-long power generation? We are reliant on self-heating rocks?

>>16705241
first solar thermal propulsion hardware proposal that actually got funding, sure

>>16705250
Fusion and antimatter.

Planet with naturally-occuring Kerosene lakes that are so pure and long-chained that they are RP-1 grade and can be ISRUd immediately into a rocket fuel tank

>>16705261
Natural hypergolic lake moon

MASSIVE NEWS
T Coronae Borealis has gone nova! Go outside and look at it if you can!

>>16705270
Disregard that, I suck cocks and got clickbaited by Anton

>>16705274
>>16705270
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V462_Lupi
You might still be able to see it with the naked eye if you're far enough south. 45° latitude and less, I guess.

>>16705281
>looks like a regular star in the sky
exhilarating

>>16705284
Unless a star in the milky way goes supernova in your lifetime or a nearby blackhole/quasar starts flaring this is probably your only occasion to directly capture photons coming from one of the most violent cosmological phenomena with your own naked eyes. I think that's pretty cool.

>>16705081
What does NASA have to do with space flight?

>>16705211

Portal got a contract from the Air Force? Golly! Wonder why the Generals at the Air Force decided to do that. Must be because Portal is so awesome!

There's a very good chance that we see only 4 launches of Starship this year, maybe 5. Compared to the 4 launches of 2024. 25 launches in 2025 launches my fucking ass.

>>16705211
Reminds me of that mosquito satellite concept that gets posted here every once in a while

>>16705311
dude give it up
it doesn't matter if it launches 20 times this year or not
its a failed projects
time to throw it in the trash and focus on falcon 9

>>16705311
Grim

>>16705220

TC is under $20 million. The price of a nice house in the Palisades before they burned down. Don't think they'll be space rangering around the Solar System anytime soon.

>>16705311

"4 maybe 5"

Are you smoking weed with Elon? 6 months to clear, rebuild and recertify the test stand they just blew up. Give or take a month.

No more launches this year. Maybe one if they cut corners again, which hasn't been working so great.

>>16705317
Nah, there's no way it takes them 6 months to rebuild their test way, 3-4 months at most. Which should give them enough time for a 4th launch around october or november.

>>16705313
Superheavy is a success. But much like the space shuttle, reentry might prove to be too much until humanity gets much much better at material science. I wonder how long Starships need to keep blowing up before Elon just gives up on 2nd stage reuse and turns Starship into a upsized F9.

>>16705306
What phenotype is this

>>16705319

*taps the wreckage*

It's almost July. Texas Summer heat and holidays slowing everything down. 6 months, give or take a month.

why didn't they make their stand for potentially blowing up rockets, resistant to blowing up rockets
are they retarded

>>16705337
The best part is no part

Guys remember last month when Elon promised a 50% chance that Saarshit would land on Mars by 2025 or 2026?

>>16705337

This week's Marcus vid was fun as we played "Identify the Debris". "Is that a tank manifold in the Flame Trench? Yes!"

>>16705345
Yeah his tard-fueled chimpout where he lost the mandate of heaven was also enjoyable

"We now go live to the opening of the Vera Rubin Observatory."

"Aieeeee!"

"And -- we're back."

So with Starship not launching until the end of the year or until 2026, what else can we look forward to for the rest of the year? Any more big events happening?

>>16705366
You will take 50 starlink launches an hour and you will like it

>>16705378
>you can have as many launches as you want, as long as they're internet satellites
to think we were so hopeful when the year started

>>16705389
More like delusional. Starship was always gonna to have major issues when it came to re-entery. I can’t believe that so many people bought Elon’s bullshit timeline

>>16705389
>AI slop poster
They didn't even bother to prompt it with care
The US side has a squat, ugly cuckball, whereas the chinese side looks confident and optimistic and has a proper rocketship.

>>16705390
Reentry doesn't seem to be that much of a problem. The type-1 starships did it semi ok. The problem now is not exploding.

>>16705105
how did this cringemaster miss 420.69?

>>16705106
>It is recommended, Sunnah, to fast these days.
Why?

>>16705393
Block 1 starship didn't survive re-entry.The main issue is that Starship is supposed to be rapidly reusable and cheap and easier to produce, which means that not only do they have to survive re-entry, they have to survive with minimal damage, the heatshield needs minimal amount of reimbursement and the tiles have to be as light as possible, or else your payload capacity drops like a rock. That's a lot of roles that the vehicle has to do, and it doesn't have a lot of mass to do it with.

The reason why Block 2 Starships keep blowing up is because SpaceX had to make a lot of comprises for all their objectives. They can't skimp out on the heat tiles, so mass has to be cut from other systems, which is what leads to issues. Starship is struggling because it has to fulfill a lot of roles at once, all while being super lightweight. To the point where they can't even test their heatshield.

In the end, it all leads to re-entry. The space shuttle would have been great too, if it didn't need to be engineered to survive reentry.

starlink

max-qute

Another one

>>16705059
It is interesting to see this anon spam "25 launches" when ULA was the only company that had an intent to launch 25 times in 2025.

>>16705436
Having less launches than in 2024 is embarrassing no matter what retard

>>16705045
Why hasn't Elon just gone full ancap yet?

>>16705421
>Block 1 starship didn't survive re-entry

Which is why it had 3 soft landings in the Indian Ocean.

>>16705440
There were 4 Starship flights in the entirety of 2024, there have been 3 so far in 2025 and we are not even halfway though the year.

>>16705442
Survive enough to be reused of course. Defeats the whole "rapid cheap reuse" part if you have to basically rebuild the heat shield and large parts of the rocket every time. That's literally what fucked the space shuttle over.
>>16705445
With the explosion, you really think there's gonna to be another launch this year? Maybe if SpaceX rushes, they can squeeze in another launch before the end of the year. Congrats, 2025 will have the same number of launches as 2024, most of them being failures, what a victory.

>>16705445

Did you miss the news on Elon blowing up his test cell? No testee no launchee.

>>16705448
Are you actually retarded enough to think the damage to Massey's is worse than what happened to the actual launch site after Flight 1?

Do yourself a huge favor and stop listening to the youtube grifters.

>>16705453

> Daddy Elon will make the test cell boo boo all better!

>>16705454
>IT'S GOING TO TAKE SPACEX YEARS TO REBUILD THE LAUNCH MOUNT!!!

>>16705453
A destroyed concrete launchpad vs hundreds of millions of dollars of very expensive and fragile equipment being destroyed? To give an example, airport runways can be fixed within hours, that's standard procedure if military airbases runways get bombed but airport control towers and fueling stations on the other hand... they're not just gonna get fixed with raw concrete.

Even if they do fix the test site within 2 months like with the launchpad, that's still the next launch being around Oct or Nov.

>>16705460
>steel piping
>hundreds of millions of dollars of very expensive and fragile equipment

And yeah continue to pretend the only work to rebuild after Flight 1 was pouring concrete.

>>16705460
>okay they will launch again this year but it will only be 2-3 more times

>>16705469
1 more time at most. And even that is rushing things. Screenshot this

Vera Simps, our girl is giving us some edge play before breakfast:

> Among the observatory’s initial accomplishments was the discovery of 2,104 asteroids, including seven near-Earth asteroids, that have never been seen before in our solar system. None of the newly found near-Earth asteroids pose a risk to our planet, according to scientists at the observatory. Imagery of the asteroids is expected to be shared later Monday.

> While ground- and space-based telescopes spot about 20,000 asteroids each year, Rubin Observatory is expected to uncover millions of the space rocks within its first two years, according to the National Science Foundation. The telescope is also considered the most effective way to spot any interstellar comets or asteroids that may travel through our solar system.

From a 10 hour test image.

>>16705313
Even if everything did lead to deciding that the current design was a failure, why would that mean focusing on falcon 9 and not something new?

>>16705489
why should I care about all this astroonomy anyhow, how does it help space flight?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lKifwI3t55A

under an hour to go

>>16705542
years late

>>16705542
Who cares

Expendable rockets are boring

>>16705547
its a rocket launching stuff into space i.e. spaceflight

>>16705547
I do, I do, I do, I do, I do, I do

>>16705441
He’s already being held back by rulers on earth who fear an independant societ on mars. If he declared ANCAP intentions now (if he even holds them) he’d be gone within a week.
Remember last time states tried to secede from the union, 5 million Americans died.

>>16705448
Isnt there two separate launch sites?

>>16705542

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZtIN4eWuRw

NSF

>>16705542
Why doesn't Starlink get artwork and a mission patch?

SpaceX is doing great. Name one other tie where a launch vehcile was developed faster? MOVE FAST AND BREAK THINGS BABY!1

>>16705569
Because they are not Chinese or ULA. There's no need.
They spam 20-30 Starlinks every day.

The ULA lad needs to learn how to blink

Let's go ULA!

woosh

He does it again, muskrat could never

>13 minute burn
I hate hydrologgs so much its unreal

Sorry to use /sfg/ as google, but I'm tired of combing through garbage. Is there any news about happened to last ship?

>>16705597
Front header tank fell off.

>>16705597
Bottle exploded and took down everything

>>16705389
Senator, I only see the right side of the image. The Moon looks very red tonight!

With no Starship launches for the rest of the year, the only things to look forward to; are all the chinese F9 launches.

>>16705610
You’re just dooming. Were bound to get at least one more embarrassing starshit failure before december!

>>16705616
Oh god, I can't believe that I though that Starship would be fully reusable and flying monthly by 2025 last year.

>>16705213
>Moon: does not have a moon
Eagle ascent module is still orbiting it. Checkmate Plutotheists

>>16705270
>>16705281
>>16705291
Supernovas only count if they cast a shadow i.e. Venus brightness or greater

>>16705073
kill yourself faggot

>>16705640
Anything emitting photons can cast a shadow. Hell even the CMB casts a shadow

>>16705646
To make Vulcan reusable, ULA would need significant upgrades: implement SMART reuse with inflatable heat shields and parachute recovery for BE-4 engines, develop robust refurbishment processes, and potentially redesign the first stage for landing capabilities, all requiring substantial investment and time.
Instead, the optimal solution is to sell ULA to Elon Musk. SpaceX’s proven reusable rocket technology, like Falcon 9’s propulsive landings, far outpaces ULA’s current capabilities, with 400+ launches and mature refurbishment processes. Integrating ULA’s expertise and Vulcan’s potential into SpaceX’s ecosystem would accelerate innovation, leverage existing infrastructure, and ensure competitiveness against emerging players like Blue Origin. Selling to Musk maximizes ULA’s value, aligns with market demands for cost-effective launches, and positions the combined entity to dominate the space industry.

>>16705646
Seems extremely retarded to trust a software that is constantly-online and plug in super secret information... how can this NOT backfire at some point?
I suppose no chink really gives a shit to copy anything ULA has though, so maybe that is why they got approval kek

Looks cool

>>16705649
it's on the military/IC's airgapped networks which are nothing like the Internet

>>16705651
Still not trusting it, jews are involved

>>16705651
Just like signal

>>16705452
Just drag the suborbital pad back out.

>>16705647
Visible to human eyes, gay pedant

>>16705043 (OP)
>Canceling non chemical propulsion research
>We find Planet 9

>>16705043 (OP)
1 hour until the First Look of the Vera Rubin Observatory.

Live stream:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv22_Amsreo

>>16705679
astronomers boutta cry again

>>16705679
It is live
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zv22_Amsreo

There are DOZENS of kuiper satellites now in orbit. This race is getting close, bros!

>>16705705
>Dr. Cunt
peculiar name

>>16705126
i appreciate this lego tribute

>>16705181
No; Just beguned it has

>>16705489
Benefits of a 4 dimensional observatory.

>>16705043 (OP)
https://fl.rubinobservatory.org/gallery/collections/first-look-gallery

Listening to what it can do, it sounds like the Nancy Roman Telescope (PBUH) but on the ground

Slash the astroonomer budget to negative infinity, minimal scientific value here

>>16705043 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTuq-vBsDJE

>>16705726
I love the NGRST

They are all very excited about LSD

>naming Telescopes after wamen
Gay fr fr

Isn't it kinda rude that Vera Rubin is not present though?

>>16705598
Was this front header tank safe?

>>16705043 (OP)
BREAKING NEWS, THEY JUST DISCOVERED GREEN FINGERNAILS WITH THE RUBIN VERA OBSERVATORY

>>16705744
Not this particular one. The header tanks on other flights that didn't fall off were.

/sfg/ not inundated with politics during a happening?? I’m impressed with nu/sfg/, where did this restraint come from? Also new telescope sounds gay put it in space.

>>16705785
I think that's more due to apathy and because the galactic brain has not opined on the matter.

>>16705213
>>16705637
The Moon's Moon is Earth

The only based astronomy is observing planetary bodies inside the Solar System and neighbouring stars (up to 100 LY).

>>16705793
We have the technology.

Im gonna do it. Im gonna say the word

>>16705794
How do you send anything there in a reasonable time frame and how do you slow down to hit the sweet spot?

>>16705643
>so butthurt xe had to respond 18 hours later
here's a tissue for you, lil bro.

>>16705794
We must colonize Planet 9 and build solar gravitational lenses there.

It's not real astronomy unless you're looking at objects >100 LY away.

>>16705676
>We find Planet 9

huh?

>>16705785
because this isn't relevant to spaceflight

https://x.com/StarbaseTX/status/1937198108435239318

https://cityofstarbase-texas.com/commission-updates

>>16705824
https://cityofstarbase-texas.com/ordinances

https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/67fcab04e05680343de9ea4e/684a8138c0368f5ddee4bf6e_Proposed%20Zoning%20Map%206.6.25.pdf

under land use -> proposed zoning map

>>16705828
https://cdn.prod.website-files.com/67fcab04e05680343de9ea4e/684a81646c7ee4a778d02c3e_Draft%20Comprehensive%20Zoning%20Ordinance%206.4.25.pdf

>>16705828
Anywhere tells you what all that stuff on the beach is gonna be?

>>16705832
you mean those gray lines? no idea

>>16705828
Wow, that's amazing. No residential or commercial, just mixed use.

>>16705835
>>16705832
grok says its unzoned land but control may be disputed
the fact its just a block and stops randomly and goes a random distance into the land from the beach is a bit weird

maybe the city could claim it somehow even if its a federal

>Yes, a city can potentially reclaim and rezone a natural reserve for other uses, but it depends on legal protections, ownership, and jurisdiction. Reserves under municipal control may be rezoned through local processes, while state or federal reserves often require higher-level approval or legislative action. Public opposition and environmental laws can complicate or block changes.

>>16705785
Everyone went to the containment board for the actual happening lol. Now it’s just shitposting about Starship being over until something happens (sorry but atlas V launching and rubin first light don’t count)

>>16705043 (OP)
This is the next big happening.

>>16705797
Magnet sail to accelerate outward, nuclear electric propulsion to stop at the focal point.

Btw you pretty much need to dedicate one SGL telescope spacecraft to each target you want to observe in detail.

>>16705797
More importantly what's your target to justify the expense and would the $ be better spent on quantum gadgets that let you do interferometry with distributed telescopes that can study as many things as you like

>>16705848
Atlas V was barely ever interesting even when it was one of the only rockets flying, now I seriously feel nothing about it. Ancient technology that only existed because of MIC corruption.

>>16705824

Oh oh! Starbase City Hall just exploded. Initial investigation suggest a Sparkletts Water bottle in the Break Room failed below specifications.

>>16705797
Two stage Orion drive, one to accelerate out at 200km/s and another to stop. Hydrazine for telescope orientation thrusters.

>>16705877
First target should be Proxima B of course, and after making observations the scope should maneuver itself back and forth to scan the Proxima and Alpha Centauri systems for further targets.
Second telescope should aim to observe a multiplanet system around a G type star IMO. Ideally we'd just start launching these things annually and get a new spacecraft coming online each year after the initial lag period as the first ones crossed the gap.

>>16705878

ULA Atlas V: Successfully launches Mars 2020
SpaceX Starship: Fails to launch Mars 2026, Mars 2028 Mars 2030...

>>16705891
Makes you think . . .
Anyway Atlas is going to be gone forever soon and Starship will not be cancelled even if it blows up a dozen more times

>>16705794

47 years to go 167 AU.
The Solar Focal Point is at 550 AU

We are pretty effnin far from having the technology.

>>16705898
just go faster?

>forgot about missed out on the vera rubin opening ceremony and the anton stream
fuuuuuu

>>16705895

Starship gets cancelled the minute Elon dies or go to prison. It will be the Paul Allen sellathon all over again.

>>16705900

You have the technology to go faster? May we see it?

>>16705898
>Almost entire light day away and still in contact after 47 years
Damn, people expect warp drives yesterday but I find just that insanely impressive

>>16705839
Perfect.

>>16705828
wait starbase covers the whole region? wtf

>>16705933
well, its just around the road mostly
calling 20km of swamp a region seems a bit much

51 Pegasi b was named by a someone guilty of sexual assault
I'm literally shaking and crying right now

>>16705937
are you feeling better yet?

>>16705937
Stop watching Basedplanet

>>16705887
No one will build anything so expensive unless you are already sure, by other means, that there's something worth looking at. And then the question of whether the other means cannot be improved to get what you want with a focus missions money arises. Focus missions are for one single target, repurposing them even from Proxima to Alpha Centauri is unlikely

>>16705937
fun fact, most people will commit sexual assault in their lifetimes

>>16705937
Mayor or Queloz?

>>16705937
>There are no credible accusations of sexual impropriety against Michel Mayor or Didier Queloz based on available information. Their public records focus on their astronomical achievements
Enjoy your libel suit niggy

>>16705876
Making many of the same type should become the standard.

Why don't American astronauts salute their country at lift-off?

>>16705989
Kino (too bad these aren’t people though)

>>16705989
Because we don't have a social credit score that forces us to salute. Notice how the one in the middle was a bit too eager to salute? Yeah, one of his relatives will now get their left kidney removed, for his mistake.

>>16705969
>their astronomical achievements
were their achievements really that big and important?

liftoff

>>16705998
Where's your Nobel, peasant?

Clear Max-Qute!

>>16706002
>>16706005
what even launched?

>>16706003
they got one of those? i guess that is somewhat astronomical

Another one

SpaceX and Northrop.

Will The Exploration Company develop the first (non-Russian) European orbital crewed spacecraft?

>>16706029
>"why cant we beat america?!"
america:

>>16706029
god I love being american

>>16706029
How is building either of these two machines so difficult that entire countries fully committed to that end can't do it? How much more advanced can tech realistically get if something like this is already prohibitive for 95% of earth?

>>16705785
Nothing happened.

>>16706029
Actually based as fuck

>>16706039
its not just about the ability to do something tech wise, its about supply chains and capital

>>16705995
Amerigoy cope

>>16706045
Bingo. Also to add to this, I think humans / every country are either incompetent or outright incompetent by default. It’s human nature to be tribalistic. In that sense, you get countries like france that are simply too arrogant to make wise decisions because they make up their mind once and refuse to adapt. You get countries like russia where everyone is out to benefit themselves more than see a plan through. You get countries like china that are actually damn good at logistics but lack originality so they are hard-locked into only being able to have inferior copies of stuff already done better by someone else.
America is sort of the exception. It has so many checks and balances that it can afford to have fatty, sluggish, incompetent, nefarious political issues but can push through them. Oh SLS was billions of dollars and a decade late? Still got made and mogs everyone else’s rocket. Same with James Webb. Perseverance. Oh those pesky F-35s are over-budget? Well lucky for us we designed them with weaponized autism so all we have to do is wait a few years and—oh look the costs are now down and they’re being pumped out like crazy.
Apollo got done quickly because of faith or the heart. Soviet hopes for the Moon were crushed by everyone throwing each other in the gulag.

>>16706057
NO DON'T GO IN

>>16705906
yeah but you won't like it

>>16705955
Sexual Assault Dave is an outlier and should not be counted

>>16706073
Based

>>16706073
USS TRVTH

>>16706030
Russians aren't Europeans they're Asian

>>16706086
Wrong they’re finno-baltic, I thought

>>16706073
>not a Medusa pull-along
Wack

>>16706096
sails are fake, sorry
I just think I'd like to have the entirety of my propulsion section in between me and the literal nuclear bomb if that's all right

>>16706098
Just put your cargo and water tanks between your crew section and your medusa sail

>>16705839
Yet there is still zoning at all, and for that reason they are weak.

>This first set of Solar System discoveries released by Rubin Observatory includes 2104 new asteroids in the Solar System, including 7 near-Earth objects, 11 Jupiter Trojans, and 9 trans-Neptunian objects (these object classes are described in more detail below). Within this field, Rubin also detected approximately 1,800 additional previously-known objects (not included in this video) for a total of just under 4000 detections. In other words, a majority of this set of detections were new discoveries!

https://rubinobservatory.org/news/rubin-first-look/swarm-asteroids

>>16706098
>I'll waste my propulsion plasma and take a big Isp hit because I'm a pussy
Urfer mentality

>>16706039
vertical integration is the only thing that makes it cheap enough. NASA and ESA cannot do this by their very structure, since they have to parcel out work to member states. Not sure how bad that problem is for other national space agencies like Russia, China, and India.

>>16706052
>Oh SLS was billions of dollars and a decade late? Still got made and mogs everyone else’s rocket.
t. NASA
the rest of the world realizes it is an enormous, expensive pile of obsolete garbage

>>16706129
Okay maybe that is a little impressive

>>16706139
tried to make a webm of this but it's too juicy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTuq-vBsDJE

>>16706149
That's really fucking cool, can't wait for the next interstellar visitor.
On that subject, how does this telescope filter out satellite and other bright man-made transits? Sliding windows? I think that these results could be a good ways to make all of those
>muh starlink is ruining SCIENCE
faggots finally shut the fuck up.

>>16706161
a library of the TLEs and some software trickery. it's not terribly difficult.

>>16706161
GEO satellite observatories are the future, only faggots and grifters want to build anything on the ground.

>>16706167
that's not a clever or correct take, like at all.

>>16705798
How do you know that's the same person?

berrybowl

>>16706187
Beryllium spheres

>>16706167

GEO Observatory

Last place you'd want to put a 'scope. No need for a telescope in a surface synchronous orbit, so that's wasted Delta to get up there. And those are limited slots with better uses.

>>16706073

Or you have to give the scope The Big O, which is not easy.

I'm watching the Kuiper 2 launch and I noticed something:
>commentator indicates distances in miles and speed in miles per hour
>simulation indicator shows distance in kilometers and speed in km/sec
seriously, what the FUCK is wrong with americans?

>>16706236
obsessed

>>16705953
Pessimists get the rope

>>16706240
obsessed with what? it's an observation, you brainlet. how the fuck can american engineers still use (at least) 2 different units for measuring shit? like, what is even the purpose?

>>16706245
ello anon mechE MS here, units don't matter dude it's just a number. A factor of safety of 5 is the same whether it is determined with kips or newtons. Since 2019 all units have been derived from constants anyways, Boltzmann & energy-frequency equivalence and whathaveyou

>>16706245
>obsessed with what?
you really can't think at all can you? is that why using two different measuring systems intimidates you?

Elon for the love of epic memes please change over to the 12 meter design I know you have so much built but you need more engines and now you own Starbase and close the roads also get a nuclear reactor nearby to power the gas separation plant!

All aboard for night train!

*honk*

> Triggers your evolutionary jump

Magnets. They can do anything.

An idea you come up with when you're totally baked:

> Moving into a Phase II study funded by NASA’s Innovative Advanced Concepts office (NIAC), the idea is dubbed Thin-Film Nuclear Engine Rocket (TFINER).

>>16706249
>is that why using two different measuring systems intimidates you?
it doesn't, but it's really fucking stupid to overcomplicate everything. how do you not realize that? do you lack a working brain?

>>16706281

Only the severely autistic are enraged by everything not being one thing.

Just saying, they have tests for this sort of thing. You might want to look into that.

Some thoughts on the upcoming chinese F9 clones

TL-3: Probably most direct F9 clone on this list, Kerolox, 9 engines, similar payload. Nothing interesting. The only notable thing is that they are the most likely to land first, considering their proposed launch rate and the fact that they are aggressively pushing for a landing on their 1st or 2nd launch, as compared to the other companies that aren't even trying until they have a handful of launches under their belt. Small chance of landing in 2025, every other rocket on this list will land in 2026/2027.

ZQ-3- The most interesting rocket here. Stainless steel and methalox. There's a whole bunch of questions as to why they went for stainless steel despite the increased weight? Did they do it because it will help with reuse, cut down on any potential damage and reimbursement time? Maybe they don't have to fire their engines to slow their 1st stage down if the stainless steel can tank the heat. But the existing aluminum alloy don't seem to be an issue with the F9. Maybe they just want more experience with stainless steel since they are one the few companies that are also keen on developing a Starship clone, and the ZQ-3 is just stopgap design before they rush into developing their Starship clone.

Lijian: Payload is not very impressive given it's tripe core design. Only notable thing is that they are planning to land the entire triple core 1st stage together as one unit. I feel like it's gonna take them a lot of tries before they can succeed. Not very impressed with this rocket.

Pallas 1: At only 8 tons to LEO, it's the 2nd least powerful rocket on this list. Another pretty similar F9 clone, with 7 engines instead of 9. Will need to pivot into their triple core FH design fast if they want to snag mega-constellation launches; with their low payload.

Hyperbola-3: Other than using methalox, not much to say, another very similar F9 clone. Middle of the road payload. Not very impressive.

>>16706299
Nebula 1/2: The Nebula 1 only has 2 tons payload to LEO, realizing this mistake the company developed the the Nebula 2, with a 5 meter diameter, it will take 25 tons to LEO, giving it one of the largest launch capacity on this list. Deep blue aerospace is also noted into looking into developing a catching system for their 1st stage instead of using landing legs.

Yuanxingzhe-1: Another methalox, also stainless steel. The interesting thing is that they're just gonna land the rocket onto the water and tug it back for reuse. That's the long term plan, no landing legs. The rocket will have valves and seals that will prevent seawater from flooding the delicate inner workings of the engines and pipes. I'm skeptical, seems like they're just rushing a band-aid solution to race ahead of the other companies instead of spending the time to develop landing legs. If they survive long term, they will probably just develop landing legs eventually, or a catching system.

CZ-12R: Might be one of the first LM rockets to be reusable. Nothing notable other than that fact. Again, middle of the road payload compared to the F9 and some of the other rockets in this list.

Gravity 2: Only notable thing is that they're offering optional SRBs add-ons for their rocket. I don't think those SRBs will be used much considering the market. Pretty decent payload.

>>16706299
CZ-10- China's next human rated rocket. Uses a tether catch system. It's weird how the single stick version has a such a small payload, you would think that it would exceed or at least match the F9, since the tripe core version has a higher payload to LEO than the FH and it having a 5 meter diameter and staged combustion engines compared to the Faclon's gas generator cycle and having 3 stages, with the final stage being hydrolox. Really not sure why it's only slightly more powerful than the FH despite all those advantages. Kinda bummed that China's flagship rocket with all the best resources and tech thrown in behind it, is less advanced than the F9 and FH.

CALT's F9 clone: 5 meter diameter core, uses methalox. Basically the LM-10A but methalox. Not really sure of the final payload, but if the figure of 15 tons to LEO is true, again begs the question of why it's so under-powered when you consider it's 5 meter core vs the F9's 3.7 meters.

Xuanniao-1- Stainless steel, methalox. Also they plan to use wings on the 1st stage to glide the rocket back for recovery, alongside using a catching system. If successful, they don't need to do any burns other than the final landing burn for recovery. As one of the newest company, it seems like they are just using lots of buzzwords to get funding, I guess that you really need to stand out if you want to survive in the chinese launch market when you're new. I'm skepitcal that all their promises will come to pass, if they do survive, they will likely just go with the now standard F9 rocket and landing system.

Yueqian- Another stainless steel and methalox combo. Also chopstick catching method. Again, they are a new company, unlikely to survive and unlikely to actually develop what they are claiming.

I want to be an astronaut bros

>>16706307
I want that word to become meaningless due to all the people in space.

>>16706265
do you want to go with me?

>>16705903
In a worst case scenario I trust Shotwell can follow through on the vision

>>16706185
I don't, that's why the post is worded to take both possibilities into account.

>>16706276
>words say thorium 228, image says radium 228
No wonder NASA is fucked

>>16706299
>ZQ-3- The most interesting rocket here. Stainless steel and methalox. There's a whole bunch of questions as to why they went for stainless steel despite the increased weight
I've wondered if we might eventually see smaller (relative to starship) stainless steel rockets so my guess is if the manufacturing costs are substantially lower then the somewhat inferior payload could still make economic sense.

>chinese are buying shares of spacex through offshore shell companies
I'm torn between outrage and wanting in on this.

>>16706338
Except China overproduces aluminum and has for quite a while.
It has literally never been cheaper to use it in a Chinese rocket than it is now.
On the other hand the only other metal they overproduce is steel...

>>16706350
All else being equal stainless steel should be cheaper to manufacture with. If the rocket isn't intended to be human rated they might be able to lean hard on the cryogenic strength gain and run with a narrower safety margin than SpaceX does. This is assuming the alloys involved are the same or similar to those on Falcon and Starship though.

>>16706299
China cannot clone F9 because they cannot clone Merlin.
I would wager that all the payload claims are at least a little bit exaggerated AND do not account for booster reuse.

>>16706338
Reusability means that raw material and manufacturing costs don't matter nearly as much though.

>>16706276
Lol wtf so this is basically a solar sail that just carries nuclear material IN the sail itself?

>>16706359
You're delusional if you think China cannot eventually improve on the F9 and Merlin. Half of their F9 clones are using methane, some of planning to ditch the landing legs in favor of some sort of catch system. As for the Merlin, while it's reliability and thrust to weight ratio are unmatched, it is still a gas generator cycle and decade old design at that, some chinese companies are going for staged combustion engines. Also, some of the chinese engines offer better throttling rates than the Merlin, some as low as 20-30%, which should allow some of their rockets to hover land, instead of having to do a suicide burn, some also have higher thrust.

And all this private companies are rushing like mad, since the competition is so fierce. They are wayyy more focused on actually putting forward a minimally viable product, not spent millions and years of R&D to squeeze every gram of performance out of their engine as mechanically possible. In a year or two once the industry consolidates, all the surviving players that have established themselves and once are not in any danger of going under, they will have the time and money to actually buckle down and focus on min-maxing their engines and performance.

One easy possible upgrade, would be to use a hydrolox upper stage for their rockets, gives it a substantial boost for any high energy orbit. Or a catching system instead of landing legs. Improvements like this and others might have been considered for the F9 if SpaceX didn't rush towards Starship development.

Not that it matters anyway, SpaceX already has Starship, which puts them comfortably another decade ahead, and it will be hard for China to clone Raptor anytime soon.

>>16706276
How is that thin film emitting decay products in just one direction?

>we don't need science now that we have AI
zoomers are actually doomed, aren't they?

>>16706416
It isn't. The ones going in the direction of motion are trapped in the sail so mass flow is to the rear, hence thrust

>>16706359
Merlin is not some magic engine and besides, everyones moving to methalox for a reason.

>>16706420
I feel like that's gonna to destroy the sail quite fast.

>>16706299
>>16706300
>>16706301
Thanks for doing this, I feel like the chinese market will be a big deal soon so it's good to be informed

>>16706428
Should be alright, alpha particles are ironically very weak and gay

Anyone think it's actually bad that SpaceX is so utterly dominant? It's not only suppressing other American companies, to the point where only Blue Origin is likely to survive, it's also eating up the European, Indian and Japanese launch market too. At this point, only the "enemy" states like Chinese/Russian space program will survive in a decade, just because they're banned from launching on SpaceX rockets. It's like dumping, but for space.

It's hilarious to me that the best way to destroy the Chinese/Russian launch sector would be to offer them Starship launches at market price, or that America is once again fucking over it's allies.

>>16706440
>that America is once again fucking over it's allies.
This has always been the case. American politicians have been very open and honest about the reason why they offer rides for foreign astronauts, so their countries don't feel the need to make human capable rockets.
When someone is telling you straight to your face that they're doing this to fuck you over and you still go along with it, the issue is not that the other guy is trying to fuck you over.

What if they put 100 astronomers on each Starship test flight so that no matter the outcome something good happens one way or another? At this point I also want manned static fires.

>>16706299
>hey are aggressively pushing for a landing on their 1st or 2nd launch
so they could beat blue organ to a first orbital launch landing?

>>16705803
>you can see extremely high magnification images of absolutely nothing
congratulations

>>16706350
>On the other hand the only other metal they overproduce is steel...
>trusting the quality of steel made in china
Yes they make a lot of steel but good luck if you need it up to specs.

>>16705969
>french
>not committing sex crimes
let's be serious

>>16706450
that would be pretty funny especially considering that BO was founded before SpaceX

>>16706445
>American politicians have been very open and honest about the reason why they offer rides for foreign astronauts
feel free to share some of the cases where that has been stated.

>>16706458
Selling to America and selling to the state to use in a prestige national security project is a completely different thing. You can scam the west but try scamming the state and they'll just kill you

>>16706481
I would if google wasn't assfaggots nowadays and gave me results even tangentially related to what I'm searching for.

>>16706481
Not this topic, but I always found it weird that they straight up admitted the only reason why the Atlas V happened was to prevent Russians (ex. Soviets) from making ICBMs
>https://youtu.be/boD4ECbGSWA?si=neE-jbjAL2L8dYTj

https://x.com/luke_leisher_/status/1937406329620169012
>Congratulations to Amazon for taking on starlink!

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TTsJL-ddM_i5RjfnQV5_R-hocRCin6hxAiCuVlytRtA/edit?tab=t.0
Universe Sandbox update just dropped

>>16706337

Yeah. So anyway...

>>16706523
KSP is better

>>16706527
How much will that isotopically pure Ra 228 cost?

>>16706530
KSP does what now that is similar to US?

>>16706311
It's already meaningless.

>>16706450
There's a decent chance if BO continues to have a 8 month gap in-between launches and if space pioneer can hit their targeted launch cadence of a launch every 3-4 months.
>>16706299
One big reason why I think China is allowing a dozen private launch companies, despite the massive waste of money and retreaded ground it will represent once all those companies get getting consolidated, is that while all this companies are close to their maiden launch of their workhorse rocket, all of them will take years to scale up. Even the most talented and well funded of them will take multiple years between their first launch, the first landing, learning to refurbish and reuse their rockets, perfecting the landing and scaling up to weekly launches. Even the state agencies with their decades of experience and basically infinite funding will likely have the same delays.

But with a dozen companies, even if they have a initial launch cadence of once a year, that's overall monthly launches for china, and still they are all working concurrently, the launch rate will rise very fast. Still a massive waste of money since eventually most of those companies will go under when the launch market gets oversaturated, but I guess China is desperate to get their mega-constellations up and running before their licenses expire and before LEO gets too crowded.

>>16706419
I think he's saying it's fake and only exists because we have AI now

https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1937512126018384221

https://www.engadget.com/mobile/smartphones/t-mobiles-starlink-satellite-service-launches-on-july-23-120050567.html

>>16706570
>if BO continues to have a 8 month gap in-between launches
how can you measure an average gap with only one launch?
>>16706570
>One big reason why I think China is allowing a dozen private launch companies
China is doing the extreme version of hardware-rich development: company-rich development. The ones that fail will be like those empty cities full of decaying corncrete high-rise aparements.

>>16706588
Well BO’s next launch is projected to be in August, maybe even later

>>16706523
>universe hugbox
gay + wants your personal data

>>16706523
That's cool, I'll pass it on

If these launches keep going the way they do I'm only going to be more inclined to believe he was telling the truth.

>>16706610
>I'm only going to be more inclined to believe he was telling the truth.
What took you so long?

>>16706552

Tree Fiddy

Apparently you can trade off different isotopes for different thrust profiles, and if you can live with low and slow good old uranium is in the mix.

>>16706617
Crippling self doubt.

>>16706610
Ofc he is telling the truth. Tell me what tech could send you to the moon and back right now? QED

Mars in KSA

>>16706631
Venus, hopefully they make the clouds white because it looks too much like Titan

>>16706633
Titan

>>16706630
>>16706631
Impressive, I remember using Terragen 2 to make Mars renders 15 years ago, it took something like an hour for a 720p frame and only looked slightly better.

>>16706636
Earth

>>16706637
>>16706638
I think volumetric clouds puts them above SE now.

>>16706630
>KSA
What's that?

>2-3 years ago, when most of this nations joined, the Artemis accords was on fire, a 2027 Artemis III landing was looking likely, programs like Lunar Gateway and the follow up Artemis missions were set in stone
>Today, Trump is cancelling lots of programs, even multilateral projects like Lunar Gateway that was being worked on with European, Canadian and Jap partners.
>Everything after Artemis III looks uncertain and could be cancelled at any time
>Starship is having delay after delay, Artemis III looks likely to be happening post 2030 and senators don't want to give up the SLS no matter what
>Trump and Elon are constantly offending partner nations like most Europeans like it's going out of style
>Even other international partnerships like the ISS are having issues

What do you think major partners like Japan, Canada or Europe are feeling about the Artemis accords with multilateral programs like Lunar Gateway cancelled and with everything after Artemis III up in the air? Also, Europe and Canada also hate both Trump and Elon, and they are the face of the Artemis accords. They must be seething hard right now. Will America pay them back for the work that they have already done on Lunar Gateway?

https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1937541233565384937
>Massey's Ship Static Fire Test Stand after S36 explosion
>June 23, 2025

>>16706649
Can we fix it?

>>16706656
No it's fucked

>>16706649
>>16706656
It can be refitted, IF this design was not dependent on high strength steel that would lose its temper and some of its strength in a persistent fire that annealed it. My guess is that there was some allowance made for accidents, and the over-design and choice of heat tolerant steels would make it just fine to reuse, but only the superstructure. Everything else is fucked but repairing it will save a lot of time

>>16706527
Link to the paper

>>16705995
>we don't have a social credit score
He doesn't know

https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1937549287551812025
>View of Massey's tank farm as well as surrounding structures:
> June 23, 2025

>>16706684
I was sort of interested in what Thiel was up to, especially with his early connection to Elon, but then it turns out he's a zionist who wants to import indians and spy on Americans. Like, what? What's the point of all the philosophizing and the interest in history if you're going to be a standard issue glowie who does everything that glowies already do? What even is the point? He's working super hard to get to where we already are? I don't even understand the motivation

>>16705174
meds
>>16705194
under 4 seems like a good bet for 20-1 value?
I think they'll probably do more but certainly not 95% sure

>>16706693

"Here's Mars Guy fleeing for his life for scale."

>>16706699
I am starting to see Mars Guy for real, both inside my home and when I am at work or out elsewhere. I've even seen him way off in the distance, waving to me.
I'm starting to worry about it, I think he is friendly but can we really know for sure?
In this city, you always have to watch your back. Never let your guard down, never relax.

>>16706276
This could be a good way to dispose the highly radioactive parts of nuclear power plant waste.

Bros... Titan would be incredibly soulful without the fart haze. It would have blue skies just like the Earth and you'd be able to see Saturn...

>>16706704

Unfortunately, no:

> The results show that the magnitude of recoverable isotopes for a TFINER fuel is negligible in the waste of commercial reactor spent fuel.

Boo!

https://x.com/CSI_Starbase/status/1937577895137800693

crane falls over while working at Masseys

>>16706717
A gravity anomaly. How unfortunate.

>>16706717
SpaceX really is crashing out
Its over, isn't it? Trump's relentless sabotage will trigger a MAJOR event. Yes, its happening

The night they drove old Masseys down
And the people were singing
They went, "Na, na, la, na, na, la"

NIGGER WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING

SpaceX is cursed

Should've hired Germans

>>16706694
Either he's the most brilliant man of our time and is playing aligned while getting a stranglehold on the most important tools of the current establishment so he can finally destroy them, or yeah it's more jewish shenanigans like always

>>16706728
¡Ay, caramba!

The only good thing about V2 being such a useless nigger is that when ship catch does finally happen and is successful, the hype will be beyond the charts. Call me a Redditor, but just think about how wild the SpaceX employees went when booster was caught for the first time, and multiply that by 10. With the stakes so high and desperation starting to kick in soon, it is safe to say that will definitely be a moment to remember. Especially on here with my /sfg/frens.

>>16706733
There are none left. All the best were taken by the US and the USSR. All that is left are turks and other middle easterners.

>>16706738

Space will never attempt a V2 catch. There are only two units left. The second tower isn't up. They'd never get approval to bring the last Death Ship in over populated areas.

Mandate of heaven status?

>>16706733
Germans would never tolerate rapid prototyping by blowing shit up, they'd rather spend 15 years autistically designing everything and then blow shit up.

>one disaster after another
wtf is going on at spacex?

Crane clearing wreckage collapses, creating more wreckage.

"Mars in 2026!"

>There will be a planetary alignment in 2033 which will allow a 90 day transit to Mars
shieeeeeeeeeet

its so jover

https://youtu.be/vl-GwVM4HuE?si=CEKOIRNBakmeUTrm

How does a group of people underestimate weight this badly?

https://x.com/RGVaerialphotos/status/1937586524264059391
>Just a scratch
>On the bright side, S36 has managed to get its PEZ door to open
> yesterday, June 23

>>16706747
I don't really believe in such things but
"Pride comes before a fall"

BTW Elon is turning Starbase into Jonestown. Koolaid Day soon.

>>16706741
Really? So what has V2 even accomplished?
>S33 leaked and blew itself up
>S34 lost a fucking engine in space
>S35 leaked in a different place and lost attitude control
>It was also unable to open the simple ass fucking door for a payload deployment test
>S36 blew up on the test stand while loading fuel for no reason
>All V2 ships failed to make it to re-entry, effectively making them totally fucking worthless in terms of data (they are 100% coping at this point)
>There's only two V2 ships left before they go onto V3
Literally what was the point?

>>16706759
Its not truly iterative design if every version works.

>>16706750
Where?

>>16706759

Heretic! Unbeliever! Begone! The Power of Elon compelles you!

>>16706765
these are the new gates I guess
the forbidden city

Are Stoke the aryans of spaceflight?

>>16706762

Those are Delta min numbers. You can add Delta to decrease flight time. If you've got spare Delta.

>>16706728
It's just sleeping

>>16706734
Applying the "nothing ever happens" theorem to this yields dire results

What will go wrong next?
Methane tank explosion maybe?

>>16706781
Elon assassinated by an "Iranian"

>>16706781
starfactory building collapse

>>16706781

Packs of wild dogs roaming the streets of the City of Starbase, snatching babies from their mother's arms.

>>16706645
KSP 3

>>16706781
An unremarkable hurricane rearranges the coastline

>>16706781
axiom 4 in-flight abort

>>16706781
I'm thinking... Major event because copper wiring was nogged.

>>16706710
We'll just put a worldhouse around Iapetus, much better view

>>16706767
Not long ago people said Stoke is hopelessly late and Starship will make their business model go up in smoke.

>>16706823
https://x.com/spacesudoer/status/1937598776174346396

>>16706758
>>16706765
https://x.com/SERobinsonJr/status/1937483569707761976

>SPACEX: Yesterday, during the Starbase City Commission meeting, approval was made at SpaceX's request to install gates at four intersections; St. Jude Street, Memes Street, Esperson Street, and LBJ Boulevard.
>The goal is to restrict public access to most of the city due to safety concerns, with exceptions for residents, employees, approved personnel, first responders, and law enforcement.
>Per City Manager Kent Myers, "It’s basically to regulate the constant flow of visitors that are just coming through here, wanting to look at the community."
>Per City Commissioner Jordan Buss, "Those of us that live in the city have experienced more than our fair share of events with folks who aren’t necessarily here for the right reasons. Aren’t necessarily here to provide any good reason to be in the city. I see a couple of residents on Memes Street shaking your heads there, who were actually involved in a potential altercation with somebody who was here for malicious reasons. So, this has a lot to do with the public safety and security of the people that live here. And, again, with proper need to be in the area, we’ll work out that access. Absolutely."
>SpaceX already has the gates built and codes distributed.

>>16706823

"Your Covered Wagon explodes in the stable in St Louis. Everybody died."

There's your Oregon Trail Starship analogy.

>>16706826
What's up with Americans turning every community into a gated fortress? Why are you acting like you're under the risk of invasion?

>>16706826

Whaa? The public walking on public streets? Can't have that.

It's Elon going Apartheid and trying to create a Boer Laager on the Rio Grande.

>>16706842
because they are?

>>16706825
That's great! Let's see what they've built

>>16706842
1. It's a company town that's already been targeted
2. We are. It's either build a fence or abandon the city, in every city

As we ramp up our presence in space again, the likelihood of something going wrong increases more and more. I'm scared about a space death bros, it's been too long since the last one.

>>16706842
Because they live among blacks and their sympathisers.

>>16706854

> Targeted

You mean people are walking freely on public streets.

>>16706857
>"Dangerous, unpredictable elements could be here"

>>16706858
You're suggesting crazies wouldn't go to starbase to cause problems after Elon pissed off 80% of the country?

>>16706861
Progressives are very far from 80% of the country, but even 1% of the population would make them a threat.

>>16706859
Europe has a bunch of those though.

>>16706859
people in europe are starting to feel this way

Where is the preview build with the new graphics for US?

>>16706870
That game is so fucking stupid. It looks like shit. It's worthless. Why do autists love it so much?

>>16706299
interesting

>>16706874
I agree, especially since it they made it on Unity of all things. But what else is there like it?

What if they gave everyone at Starbase a two week vacation

there's just a lack of talent at starbase. nobody wants to move to one of the worst parts of america.
>flat, no interesting terrain
>super hot, very humid
>barely any white people
>economically depressed
>the only entertainment is an ugly beach
>way out in the middle of nowhere
>nearest major city is an 8 hour drive
spacex is going to have to invest big in the local community if they want to encourage workers to move there.

>>16706870
what game?

>>16706885
Great now do the planet Mars

>>16706870
After reading some stellar reviews of this, I'm really excited to experience it myself.
Can you post the name of this game and a link to purchase it?

>>16706861

The City of Starbase isn't Elon's private property. He's putting walls and gates around other people's property.

>>16706885
Business Idea: Starbase Maid Café

>>16706859
>what if we had more blacks and mexicans

that'll solve the traffic problem...

>>16706825
any of em actually making money or just spending VC funds?

what happens when starbase is destroyed by a hurricane just like the community its based on was washed away in the 60's?

>>16706907
We need a new Jarrell event.

>>16706907
nothing

>>16706907
Real texas patriots know you always compare to the 1900 galveston hurricane. Basically just oneshotted the entire town and then some

>>16706842
Because we are.

>>16706831

>gated community

Not a property, a free range camp! :D

>>16706826
>Memes Street

>>16706931

>Vreemd ...

>>16706863
>Progressives
Elon called Trump a pedophile

>>16706885
>barely any white people
I know history will remember some other factors but this will be the death of the project.

>>16706897
The city of starbase is doing that.

>>16706936
Lack of white people isn't the biggest problem. It's the inability from the management to impose discipline. You can read that at Starbase neither side really cares, spics are lazy and poor workers while management does nothing to improve standards.
That's most likely the reason why Starship exploded recently. Some brown retard installed a damaged COPV and other retard from QA didn't bother to check it.

holy cock hard

>>16706937

> Elon owns the City of Starbase
> That's why they had to have a vote to become the City of Starbase

Maybe you should just sit out this topic.

>>16706938
>lack of white people isn't the biggest problem
>spics are lazy and poor workers
>the single worst non launch disaster so far was probably caused by "Some brown retard"
>but lack of white people isn't the biggest problem
Solid reasoning.

>>16706842
You need to say what country you're from so I can disregard your opinion

>>16706939
Repulsive at first but pretty good when you ponder on it

Rubin is cool af

so we're not launching on the 29th are we

>>16706957
Looks like "Starship" (or GROUNDship as I like to call it) will be grounded for the rest of the big '25. Perhaps let a true professional show you how it's done?

>>16706885
Elon should just double wages
That's the easy way to attract workers

Can and should we direct the big incoming comet into a planet or moon?

>>16706985
Yes, send it into Earth please

>>16706985
I volunteer to catch the comet.

So okay, Mars 2026 isn't happening, but Moon Base is still a go.

Ackkkk!

>Artemis III will beat Starship to orbit
let that sink in

>>16706523
>just dropped
>june 17
a bit late aren't you anon?

>>16707016
Artemis I already did that

>>16707015
oh no space chuddies how will we build a sustainable cis lunar economy now????

>>16707023
The moon is for building orbital superstructures. Aim for somewhere iron rich, probably near the equator
All lunar inhabitant's literal shit and dirty clothes will be processed for carbon atoms to make steel

>>16706940
Yeah that's how the legal process of incorporating a municipality works
de jure vs de facto, retard

>>16707039

If Elon owned all that property, he could build all the gates and walls he wanted on it. But he doesn't. So he's having his cult build them around other peoples property.

If you think that okay, fine. Move down their and join. You get a free purple track suit and white sneakers.

>>16706985
On Earth, the minimum damage is much higher if it hits the moon instead of earth.

>>16707045
The handful of holdouts are irrelevant. You can go on the Cameron County website and see who owns each parcel, and more than 90% are held either by Spacex directly or their associated landholding companies.

>>16707045
What country are you from

Oh shit axiom 4 is launching in 90 minutes.
A F9 launch actually worth streaming muted on the third monitor.

>>16707023
With the abundant subsurface ice and carbon sources

so what's the deal with the magnetic pole flip coming up?

>>16707056
eh it's so routine now.

>>16707047

> Fuck you I'm rich!

And you actually think that's a defensible attitude in America?

>>16707056
Least interest Ive seen in a human launch since... Blue Origin's toy
Basically nobody cares

>>16707068
LEO is inherently boring

>>16707060
I wouldn't care if they were doing daily human sacrifices on the beach. I would be happy if they paved everything in between the Port of Brownsville and the Rio Grande and covered it all in launch pads. Spacex is the only organization actively making an effort to make sure humanity gets off this planet and any activity they undertake in that pursuit is defensible.

problem with wind data upload to dragon.

>>16707074
>Spacex is the only organization actively making an effort to make sure humanity gets off this planet
May I direct you to
>>16706728
They're just going through the motions

>>16707076
Software jeets = fired
bye bye brownies

>>16707078
So you started paying attention yesterday?

>>16707078
Who else is even making an attempt?

software a shit

This is gay. If I was the Polack (/ˈpoʊlɑːk/ and /-læk/), I would pull the abort system and fire the super dracos now

SCRUBBBBBBBBBBBB

>>16707089
I spoke too soon
wind uploaded

>>16707090
nigger.heic uploaded!

Gross

we are going

Décollage

somebody stop gor

Insallah mission will success

god damn KINO separation footage

crazy how nobody knew this launch was happening and nobody cares when they find out

lol, Insprucker's grunt of satisfaction at the booster landing

>>16706728
Based and jeet pilled

Can we scrap shartship and use the raptors on Falcon instead?

>>16707117
Raptors is one of the problem for starship

Starship looks more and more like OceanGate day by day.

>>16706499
Use one of the chatbots (grok, Gemini, chatgpt, Claude, perplexity to name a few)

>>16706943
The reasoning is that management level, which is mostly white, fucked up their job.

>moon mean density suspiciously low compared to earth hinting it formed from silicates from earths upper layers after an impact
>earth however somehow doesnt seem to lose its internal heat from this impact somehow
fuck

>>16707148
Why would you expect the Earth to lose internal heat? The planet's internal heat budget is roughly equally split between primordial heat of formation and internal radiogenic heating.

>>16707148
>>16707152
Donald L. Turcotte and Gerald Schubert estimated that the majority of the Earth's radioisotope heating is from the contents of the mantle, and predominately by the decay of Thorium 232 and Uranium 235, with potassium being a significant but minority contributor.

>>16706878
What do you do in it though? Literally what is the end game. You're just swinging planets around going *woosh*. Whereas in KSP you're making up whole autistic mission architectures, planning out your missions and building space stations.

Same argument applies for Space Engine

>>16707162
At least SE looks good.

Feel bad for female astronomers, check out the comment section:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOyyBOaCIHM

>>16706859
N

>>16707180
I don't feel anything but disgust for astroonomers.

Oh well, back to plan A

>>16706904
FUND IT

>>16706728
>>16706748
That's an outside contractor lmao
Those aren't SpaceX cranes

>>16707193
>leo tourism in 15 years
>tfw we already got it
>30 people in space
lol

>>16706747
They're collecting data

>>16707193
We won't have offworld manufacturing for quite some time unfortunately. In the early stages of space development, most of the raw materials will be lifted to orbit directly from Earth which is inefficient of course.

>>16706870
>>16706895
I find it very hard to believe that /sfg/ regulars never heard of Universe Sandbox before.
Is this some kind of marketing scheme?

>>16707229
Universe sandbox, space engine or just any other accurate universe sim gives me anxiety and depression
Can't bring myself to play them or mention them.

remember roblox NASA

>>16707193
>30 years to land on the moon
how are these inefficient giant companies who lost any and all ambition 50 years ago even a thing? they must be ran by complete retards. even if spacex never existed, asi can accelerate space exploration 1000 fold

Reusable rockets and when nations will get them

China-2025/2026
Japan-Mid 2030s
Europe-Late 2030s
Russia-early 2040s
India- mid 2050s

>>16707243
Source?

>>16707250
Me from the future

>>16706276
>Substrate thermo-electrics can generate excess electrical power (e.g. ~50 kW @ eff=1%)
https://www.nasa.gov/general/thin-film-isotope-nuclear-engine-rocket/
Won't this cook your gizmos when its folded before deployment?

>>16707262
That’s what I was wondering. How do you roll the sail up and launch it

>>16707265
Yeah deploying the sail is a problem in all solar sailing attempts and those aren't generating any radiogenic heat

I wonder if Elon personally believed that a bunch of Optimus robots would go to Mars next year.

>>16707291
No he believes he can import indians to make starship run with a workforce operating on pennies on the dollar

>>16707295
Get a new line already

>>16707297
$30 on pump seven, rajesh

>>16707291
https://x.com/edwards345/status/1937896098435350758

probably believes there is some chance yes
if everything goes well

>>16707243
If you have any understanding of their respective aerospace sector, Korea and Europe will have RLV before Japan.

>>16707162
SE is for simulating the Solar System and exploring hypothetical space objects.

>>16707232
That's because you're a mentally ill anitroon spammer.

>>16707243
>Japan-Mid 2030s
Is even funnier than Europe in the late 2030s.

>>16707310
I can understand Starship optimism and Tesla signaling to investors, but I wonder if he actually believed it.

It's so fucking over lmao

Elon has taken L after L after L after L after L the last 2 months, I almost pity him now

>>16707198
>a ship (always female) named jackelyn after Jeff Bezos' mother
hmm this should clearly be a femboy

I dont lurk here, so out of curiosity, what is the chink shilling level here from 1-10

>>16707343
Let's hope it knocks some since into him. Even though I know he will just post on Twitter some more.

>>16707358
Generally 1-3, Can get up to 8-9 depending on how uppity the chink shills are at the moment.

>>16707358
There are level headed assessments of Chinese capabilities and trajectory. If anything I'd say it's some negative number due to an extremely loud anon who seems to think they still make nothing but happy meal toys and then steal the designs for them.

>>16707358
Depends. If you count any kinds of optimism towards Chink spaceflight as "shilling" then 10.

Retard. I'm a spaceflight enthusiast. I support any nation's space endeavours because that's all I care about at the end of the day.

>>16707209
what is the current record?
like 20?

https://x.com/AFP/status/1937922488891027543

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20250625-mexico-president-threatens-to-sue-over-spacex-rocket-debris
> Mexican President Claudia Sheinbaum on Wednesday threatened legal action over falling debris and contamination from billionaire Elon Musk's SpaceX rocket launches across the border in the United States.
>Mexico's government was studying which international laws were being violated in order to file "the necessary lawsuits" because "there is indeed contamination," Sheinbaum told her morning news conference.

>>16707395
>Sheinbaum
Are spics that dumb?

>>16707395
Trump should threaten them with a Special Military Operation.

>>16707398
Jew is literally a verb now
anyone intelligent knows what it means and the consequences

>>16707390

> One year to fill an split

That's okay Republicans. We know how hard you're working. You can't get to everything.

Now, back to renaming post offices and the bill declaring National Wax Bean Day.

Time to merge /sci/ and /x/.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0094576525002449

THE FALCON JUST BLEW UP OH GOD WHAT IS SPACEX DOING

Another one

Some great views today

>>16707395
I would understand if they were talking about sound. But what debris

Love it or hate it, it's the most kino launch site

>>16707414
Swamp gas refracted through Venus

>>16707398
All other candidates died in mysterious accidents (not kidding)

What if wood is the great filter?

>>16707375
By shilling I mean chinkshilling like on /k/ for example
They are smug, overplay chinese capabilities, underplay american capabilities, and when they get called out or something about chinese weapons are shown clearly as inferior, they start posting about vietnam and 9/11 and other butthurt reactions

>>16707358
They have a solid program, good current capabilities and an army of small launch companies doing the same thing the Chinese auto industry did, eat each other alive with rabid competition until there’s a handful of top dogs making excellent products. I’d say they are a few years from Falcon 9 equivalent. Once they have a reuse capability they will do the China thing, build ten thousand of them and spam launches.

It’s not China shilling to say they have actual proper industrial policy and realistic roadmaps for their goals.

>>16707498
Gross a /k/ike go back to your radioactive shithole. The entire board is just fucking glowniggers and you are probably one too.

>>16707504
Kiev will be overrun any day now.
Trust the plan.
MAGA! Z!!

What if... Uh... Fuck, Nevermind...

>>16707505
This is why no one likes your board now go back

As soon as this nigger posted the China question the way he did I knew he'd be a problem

>>16707291
>>16707340
>The heaviest payload that anyone has ever landed on Mars was less than a ton, and that required a specialized landing system
>Half of all Mars missions have failed
>Rovers on Mars that have wheels, travel at less than a 1km a day because signal lag and the terrain makes travel insanely hard

But somehow Elon thought that there was a real chance of him landing a gigantic rocket, filled with robots that can't handle anything else other than a smooth concrete floor. Get real, everyone with a brain knew that it won't happen.

And good thing that SpaceX keep failing to send missions there, exploding Starship over a square kilometer of Mars would infect Mars with more bacteria than every single Mars mission so far combined. I would like to have a pristine Mars sample return before we start infecting Mars with earth life.

>>16707310
This is like redneck strapping some explosives under a steel plate and calling it a rocket, because if "everything goes well" there's a 1 in a trillion chance that the explosives will propel your payload into space instead of just destroying everything.

>>16707322
And yet Japan has a reusable rocket hopper but Europe does not. And south korea? Their rockets are pathetic, only small lift rockets. And with no plans to scale up anytime soon. They are not serious players in rockets.
>>16707329
??? Too optimistic or pessimistic?

>>16707505
This is why everyone likes your board, Stay, KING.

>>16707358
Only in /k/ does an accurate assessment on Chinese capabilities is considered "chink shilling"
>>16707498
/k/ope is just too mindbroken to discuss anything and they make trolling too easy. Remember how they have been calling the J-20 a non-stealthy airframe for a literal decade just because it had canards before it was revealed that the F-47 also had canards?

where will you guys watch flight 10 next week?

>>16706859
kek based tranny

>>16707524
>accurate assessment on Chinese capabilities
May we see it?